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A Resolution to 720p vs 1080p - [Gamertag Radio]

This week on Gamertag Radio:

*Episode #408 - A Resolution to 720p vs 1080p roundtable discussion
*Industry behind the scenes drama
*Forza 5, Ryse Son of Rome and Dead Rising 3 Install Size Revealed
*Fanmail
*Custom Soundtrack of the week: Troubleneck Brothers - Back To The Hip Hop

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Enemy3827d ago

Xbox One's new year's resolution is 720p. What's yours?

NukaCola3827d ago

"Ryse does 900."

So did Tony Hawk. ... In 1997. :P

BBBirdistheWord3827d ago

WiiU has the most 1080p titles.

If that were the sole criteria, the wii U would be selling like hotcakes.

In practice thought, the number of 1080p titles on WiiU has not made one scrap of difference to actual sales.

Looks like there is a bit more to it than just 1080p..

Enemy3827d ago

^ Not really saying much considering Wii U's graphics, lol.

Nitrowolf23827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@BB
The Wii U isn't selling because people don't have interest in it. It's basically a PS3/Xbox 360 with a slight increase to graphics and can do 1080P. You look at the Ps4/X1 and the clear difference in GFX and performance is clear.

@below

Look at the title thought that everyone is fighting with for resolution...

COD isn't exactly a game known for pushing boundaries, and the fact that it looks like a last gen title on next gen should tell you soemething when one of the consoles are rumored to run at a lower resoltion for such a title. Either way, ur point stands

BBBirdistheWord3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@ ^^

so you guys agree that 1080p by itself means not much at all?

Cool.

So we are basically agreed that a game running at 720p or 900p on XBO can look better than a game running at 1080p on another platform and that 1080p in and of itself means not much at all without taking into account a host of other factors.

Even a game running at 720p which is upscaled to 1080p can look better than a game that is 1080p native.

All I am saying is that many people on here carry on about 1080p like it's the holy grail, when in fact it's all subjective.

I am glad that has finally been established.

Flutterby3827d ago

@BBB

Your whole point makes no sense the wiiu is vastly lower powered compared to next gen consoles so 1080p would still look worse than the xbone , but the ps4 has more power than the xbone so better performance plus better graphics.

MysticStrummer3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@Bird - If you want to completely ignore the point, that's your business.

This isn't a case of one game being 1080p and another game being 720p, upscaled or not. This is THE EXACT SAME GAME on two next gen systems. One of those systems has been rumored to be more powerful than the other, but the other's defenders say it ain't so. They say the two systems are pretty even in the power department. This resolution stuff, if it's true, would suggest otherwise.

Comparing art styles for Gears of War and Killzone is a subjective argument. Comparing the resolution of the same game on two different about to be released next gen consoles is not.

wsoutlaw873827d ago

ya like mystic is saying you cant bring up wii u because you cant compare the two. However you can directly compare the ports of the same game. on PS4 its running at 1080 on xb1 its less (if true)

NewMonday3827d ago

@BBBirdistheWord

MysticStrummer summed it up well

most of us know about the issues of 1080p/graphics intensity and how they relate to technical specs, so you wont get a lot of mileage from the WiiU argument.

PopRocks3593827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@newmonday

Then maybe people should stop complaining and warring against each other over resolutions like everyone in this community was right up until someone suggested Wii U had more 1080p/60FPS titles than Xbox One and PS4.

If it's not about resolutions and framerates as you are saying then people should not be talking about that at all.

UltimateMaster3827d ago

If one console can run a game at 1080p 60fps when the other can only do 720p 30fps, that says a lot.
It basically tells you which console is stronger, which one can have better graphics and games from 1st and 3rd party developers.

Fanboy: "SD is the futurz!"

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aceitman3827d ago

bottom line some games are better looking in 1080p with sharper graphics . it was a big deal that ms had the 360 games upscale in 1080p while the ps3 had 720p. and people compared them to each other saying the 360 looked sharper . now its reversed its not a big deal what the hell give sony there props .and give ms the bs sony had this gen.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

Wow 720p... welcome to the year 2000 i would have to go down about 13 resolution settings to play at that on my 30" monitor but hey 720p is unacceptable in any walk of life and especially if you are forking out 500$ + extras... People need to realise ancient cards can piss 720p

http://www.novatech.co.uk/p...

Lol that card probably could.

@Enemy + bub for funny btw.

UltimateMaster3827d ago

My PC >>>>> Xbox One
PS4 will do 1080p as a standard and anything below that is not a true next-gen system.
Just a cash gimmick.
500$ + Batteries & charger 25$ since it's not included with the system. + 25$ for headset adapter because your 360 headset won't work with your Xbox One.
Did I mention it's an inferior system too?

BTBuck13827d ago

Soon as I heard the guy say "720 vs 1080 is negligible in a game" i stopped listening. Idiots... if it doesn't matter, why even make new consoles... let's just all go down to 480p then so we can get ridiculous frame rates... STFU get outta here with this "good enough" crap! If it was good enough we wouldn't care about new consoles!

Maxor3827d ago

720p absolutely need to die. The entire point of this generation is that we can finally enjoy our games in 1080p without compromise. Stop settling already and start expecting the kind of performance we deserve.

UltimateMaster3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@BTBuck1
"SD is the future!"/s
Forget 4k and 8k resolution, we want antiquity.
Black and White TVs is the new trend!/s

Blackdeath_6633827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

i was amazed at the people defending 30FPS with baseless argument like "its not even needed" and that "cinema has been using 25fps for years just" (lol wut?) but i am truly bewildered that here we are going into next gen and people are just fine and even defending 720p. these people should just keep their ps3 and 360s imo.

wsoutlaw873827d ago

the same guy that said he did care about graphics when on to say the second he gets his xb1 he was completely done with this gen. He said he doesnt care about GT6 or Dark souls 2, so he obviously cares about graphics and not just gameplay when it comes to the xb1 graphics for some reason.

bleedsoe9mm3827d ago

just curious , would everyone rather
1080p 30Fps or 720p 60Fps

UltimateMaster3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

It reminds me, they said the next Halo was going to be 60fps. But nobody mentioned anything about resolution.

Markissluv3827d ago

Very true. A game like Dead Space could easily get away with a steady 30fps at 1080p. It's more of a cinematic experience. Something like Battlefield or COD seems to benefit from 60fps.

christocolus3827d ago

listening to the podcast..so far so good..in the end lets see if sales of cod will bomb on xbx one due to it being 720p ...if it doesnt then it will only mean that most gamers do not care about all that crap about resolutions.

Finalfantasykid3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

Oops wrong reply

annus3827d ago

As much as I hate associating with the words 'hardcore' and 'casual', the majority of CoD players truly are casual players. They more than likely do not follow CoD at all, apart from watching gameplay, and probably don't even know what 720p means. It's like saying new technology isn't needed because your grandma can read her emails on her computer from 2000.

nolifeking3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

@bleed
1080p@60fps??

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1016d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier5d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Is Driver (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

"Driver was a technical achievement for PS1, a pioneer in cinematic gaming, and an often brutal challenge - TechStomper asks if its brand of 70s car chase antics still holds up."

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PrimeVinister6d ago

The driving holds up, most of everything else does not.

PrimeVinister6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Shane Kim

Well, I mean the driving physics hold up. The draw distance, police AI, visuals in general etc do not

Cacabunga5d ago

One of my all time favorites on PS1. I spent a summer vacation playing this was so good

isarai6d ago

Sadly youd be hard pressed to find any driving game with better physics these days. But the draw distance really kills it for me

PrimeVinister6d ago

The physics hold up ridiculously well. And the draw distance is a real hurdle at first.

__y2jb6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Nonsense. The physics in any modern game or any 360 game is light years beyond Driver.

Dandizzle6d ago

This game is hard, you will fail and quit

PrimeVinister6d ago

But you will get there eventually... maybe

jznrpg6d ago

Stop with is it worth it articles. If you want to play a game play the damn game!

anast5d ago

I loved this game awhile back.

Barlos5d ago

Yeah but is it worth reading pointless articles?

__y2jb6d ago

It wasn’t worth playing in the 90’s.

Espangerish6d ago

My thoughts exactly. I bought it at release for full price and got frustrated and bored with it very quickly.

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Is Gran Turismo (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

Gran Turismo for PlayStation launched a sub-genre and revolutionised console racing - TechStomper asks is it still worth playing in 2024.

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Terry_B8d ago

Well..you can play it completely offline at least ^^

PrimeVinister8d ago

Something we really miss, just turning on the console and having the game start without signing into stuff

Terry_B8d ago

Fully agreed. That and Splitscreen Modes for Racing games.

PrimeVinister8d ago

@Terry_B I miss having people to splitscreen with, but I can't blame anyone for that :-(

Cacabunga7d ago

Not too late.. we can still change that.

PrimeVinister7d ago

@Cacabunga I will let you in, see ya soon compadre :-P

MrBaskerville7d ago

@Terry_B
GT7 actually has 4 player splitscreen. Which is wild in this day and age.

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TiredGamer7d ago

Good news is that Sony released a final update to Gran Turismo Sport to allow it to function offline. Expecting the same for GT7 at some point in the future.

PrimeVinister7d ago

That is great news, I really liked Sport even if many others did not :-/

Chocoburger8d ago

I'm not big into sim racing, but I got sucked into the hype for this one from magazines back then. I just played arcade mode and that was enough for me to feel like I got my money's worth.

Yeah, it's definitely worth playing today. GT 2 has a few interesting fan made graphical mods when played on an emulator as well.

PrimeVinister8d ago

The arcade mode is underrated, it's a great alternative mode and you can even unlock GT HiFi with it.

Fonsecap7d ago

Cars back then had much more personality then those we see today. Modern cars all about the led lights and the tablet size screens and they all seem alike, back then they could be simpler in design but had tons more personality.

PrimeVinister7d ago

That is something a few people have pointed out - that cars all look the same now. I have to agree that a lot of new vehicles lack personality.

fsfsxii7d ago

You guys are so anti-fun its depressing, like who tf cares about personality of objects like wtf? Just learn to enjoy stuff as is.

PrimeVinister7d ago

It's hardly anti-fun to remark that some objects look nicer than others.

And everyone has their favourite era of cars, I sincerely doubt many will pick the 2020s a few decades from now.

Fonsecap7d ago

Dude, like wft cares about personality of objects? What about art? Paintings are objects and they're considered good or bad if they show or lack personality so I ask, wtf are you talking about? Cars are also considered pieces of art, vintage cars, classic cars, classic bikes and so on. Artists are appreciated by the objects they craft, blacksmiths, painters, engineers, designers, so wtf cares about personality of objects indeed... ( Sorry for my English, it's not my native language)

MrBaskerville7d ago

Talking about cars is fun if you are a car enthusiast. Just saying.

ApocalypseShadow7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

That Corvette Stingray to this day is one of the most ferocious whips ever driven. Overpowered against other cars yes. But to drive it and be that close to losing control, but being in command around those curves, just can't be duplicated.

HiFi mode is also something I miss. There should be a mode in today's GT where it's Mano o Mano and the detail and resolution jump full throttle. In today's games, Max Ray Tracing and lighting and textures to make it look even more real..

PrimeVinister7d ago

A modern HiFi mode would be really cool! It would be really interesting to see how real they could go by stripping it all way back.

And Stingray is a solid choice 👌

TiredGamer7d ago

HiFi mode in GT1 was only a stripped down 60 fps mode for one track. Should have been called "Performance Mode" or "High Frame Rate" mode.

PrimeVinister7d ago

@TiredGamer it was only three tracks, but it was still cool

Petebloodyonion7d ago

Not according to Former Playstation president Jim Ryan for he told Time that he doesn't see why anyone would play old games given the advancements in fidelity achieved today.

https://time.com/4804768/pl...

PrimeVinister7d ago

I don't agree with him, but he had a few good points.

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