Call of Duty: Ghosts has "fantastic graphics" on Xbox One, reiterates Infinity Ward

"This game runs like a dog" is generally an insult, but what if your game lets you play as a dog? [OXM]

[dirigiblebill]

1080p upscaled or native 1080p? That is the question.

/Hamlet

[Lalanana]

I think everyone should wait and see what it actually is..personally I do not care.

Ghost seems ok though.

[torchic]

do you spend every second of every day lurking the pending section?

[Lalanana]

@torchic

Maybe I Do, What's it to you?

[shoddy]

With power of teh clowdz, xbone ghost should do native 1080p.

if it can't then teh clowdz is bullshit

[u got owned]

Them not talking about it is a confirmation that is not 1080p, if it was, what would be the reason of not saying it.

720p confirm.

[malokevi]

I see no possible way to disagree with that comment. Don't care, don't jump to conclusions. Smartest thing I've read all day.

Though I would love to see it running in 1080p native (and I'm pretty certain it will)

edit

@ugotowned

"Them not talking about it is a confirmation that is not 1080p"

Actually, if they confirmed the resolution, THAT would be confirmation. Maybe they like watching everyone get their panties all twisted over it? I know I do.

[ProjectVulcan]

It doesn't even look all that in the supposed 1080p PS4 videos posted on IGN.

Not that it'll matter to the people that buy it, but it doesn't look remotely 'next gen'

[Eonjay]

My God. One of the things I have learned in life is to be upfront from the beginning. It has always be more effective in the long run and I don't understand why they are avoiding the question like the end of the world is at hand.

[torchic]

just a question. opening an article and seeing your name as one of the first comments in almost every single one is annoying, especially when you just derail the comments section (not in this one, however you're still 1st)

1st comments are always important, they set the tone for the rest of the thread.

[pedrof93]

LOL What ?

OXM made a article to defend X1 version of the game based on a Eurogamer article from june ?

What type of journalist are these ?

Seriusly.

[malokevi]

@pedro

I see disproportionately more articles based on the hearsay of anonymous members of a forum that is widely known to be pro-Sony. Nobody calls their "journalistic integrity" into question.

Definitive double standard. Hell, not even double standard, Eurogamer deserves much more credit than that.

[UncleGermrod]

I agree, it may be fun to speculate a little but to get all up in arms over rumors is just silly. Besides, neither Sony or IW has confirmed 1080p for ps4, EXCEPT for back in june when they confirmed it for both consoles. So, sure there are rumors, and yes IGN did confirm 1080p for their ps4 build, it is safe to say that for now, there isn't any good reason to add fuel to the fire.

[Omegasyde]

hmm

Better question to ask:

Will the next gen version still support 4-player split screen and couch co-op?

If so, will the game still be in 1080p :D

[ShinMaster]

As "fantastic" as a COD game can get, I guess.

900p isn't a big deal though.

[dantesparda]

Wow, the x1 is shaping up to be one of the biggest letdowns in gaming history. What a joke!

[The_Con-Sept]

I find it funny how articles like this make Microsoft look so bad with PR. Seriously you read that headline and immediately think DAMAGE CONTROL.

[UltimateMaster]

Wait, hold on.
(Call of Duty: Ghosts has "fantastic graphics")
Since when? XD

It doesn't, not when you compare that to, I don't know, every single other game coming out in the market.

[GarrusVakarian]

To be honest, i don't think most of Call Of Duty's fanbase cares if its 1080p,720p or 600p, they are going to buy it and have fun regardless.

@Lalanana

Care enough to comment though ;P

[dirigiblebill]

I'd be lying if I said I could distinguish between 1080p and 720p at a glance. More = better though. :)

[thrust]

On vgchartz pre order Xbox one cod has over taken the ps4 pre orders. ;)

Call of Duty: Ghosts (XOne)
Activision, Shooter
329,032

Call of Duty: Ghosts (PS4)
Activision, Shooter
298,180

It's happening mate, thx

@ below that is battlefield 4 wtf?

[GarrusVakarian]

@ thrust

Are you aware of the numbers you have just posted?Lol. Edit: you fixed them.

The list i saw earlier that someone posted, ps4 had more than x1 with the same 2 games. Its different amounts for different sites.

Found it:
PS4:
Battlefield 4 - 273,766

Xbone:
Battlefield 4 - 153,221

Posted by JuniorCE

[MysticStrummer]

I don't think most people care either, but I always found it a bit dishonest to say 1080p on the back of a 360 box when the game was actually upscaled. Just my opinion, but if it's upscaled there should be some kind of acknowledgement of that fact. "1080p^" or something...

[FITgamer]

@MysticStrummer i agree, i always thought it was BS that they had 1080p on the back cover. If you change your display settings to 720p the game actually looks better. Ghosts isn't really a great looking game anyways so resolution isn't gonna be a big deal. Games like Ryse or KZ you would really be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

[Boody-Bandit]

But thrust, that's just it.
Most people that are buying an X1 out of the gate no questions asked are COD fans. I can't tell you how many people I have ran into or know of that mostly just play COD or purchased a 360 console just to play COD with their friends that are fans of the series.

Even my wife told me that she was shocked to hear some executives in her firm, guys in their 50's that nobody would ever think are gamers, talking about playing COD online. One of them admitted to playing from his office at her company.

Her boss, which she has worked for 15 years now, recently told her she is mad because her husband plays his Xbox too much and that he is on her last nerve. When she said I had no idea your husband was a gamer (even though her boss knows I'm a huge gamer / she has seen, what most call, my crazy gaming room), her response was well it's primarily just one game his plays, Call of Duty.

Even on sim racing sites people that are discussing Forza 5 and are less than happy existing X360 FFB wheels won't work on the X1, are saying they still plan on getting an XBOX ONE for COD. Even though most of them are holding off on Forza 5 to hold out and see if MS eventually updates the X1 to allow backwards compatibility with current FFB combos they already own.

So it's no surprise MS is leading the way in COD preorders. At least to me it isn't. Just look at all the other preorders though.

[Manic2014]

I think it is native as the referenced the eurogamer article states that the game is 1080p native and 60fps on both consoles.

[nypifisel]

It's pretty obvious the Xbox One version of Ghost does not render in 1080p. All that aside who the hell would call Cod Ghost graphics "fantastic" it looks terrible.

[Manic2014]

@nypifisel

I dont see how its obvious as they have previously stated that both consoles will have the same resolution and FPS.....

[abc1233]

The article which mentioned that both systems would be 1080p/60fps used quotes which talked about the 60fps but did not refer at all to any sort of resolution.

[Manic2014]

@abc1233
They did mention the resolution several times....... http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Pekka]

@MMEHTA: Actually, none of the quotes refer to 1080p. He only talks about 60fps, not even once about 1080p. Those couple mentions of 1080p are not quotes from IW.

[malokevi]

Here is a direct quote from what is, literally, the very first line of the article in the link provided:

"Call of Duty: Ghosts runs at 1080p on both Xbox One and Playstation 4, Infinity Ward has said."

Word for word. I mean, why bother to continue living if your not even going to try?

[mxrider2199]

@malokevi if you read the article yes it says Cod Ghosts devs have said 1080p 60 FPS but when they are actually quoting the dev in the article no where does he mention the resolution, only the frame rate

[corvusmd]

For both systems..esp since the head of Sony just dodged that question today.

Actually the more important question is can you even tell the difference while the game is in motion? I'm nearly 100% sure you can't(as in NO ONE can...not picking on you)...

[mxrider2199]

depends on the size of your tv

[Trekster_Gamer]

Not really.. you can see unless you're blind fanboy troll that the game looks phenomenal. The story is going to be great, the multiplayer as always will be great

[jamsam360]

What does it matter? Upscale on these newer consoles will look better than previous consoles!

[toddybad]

Same question re the PS4 version.

[mark134uk]

the fact that they didnt mention 1080p/720p says to me it is only 720p on the xbox one

[Magicite]

Last time COD had fantastic graphics were in Modern Warfare 1

[tordavis]

Doesn't matter whether it's upscaled or not. What are you counting pixels or playing games?

[StoutBEER]

I'm an Xbox One lover, (We'll see if holds true after launch) so any good news on X1 on this site should excite me. But... I could give a FUCK less about CoD. I'm gettin Battlefield 4 on launch and plan to get Titanfall and eventually and obviously Halo 5. Sorry got off topic but fuck CoD.

[BallsEye]

I'm sure you don't even care, you just stealth troll. If it runs on 360 in 60fps and 720p why the hell people believe it will run 720p on the next gen console? COD was never a demanding game.

[ambientFLIER]

Good point, although with one minor correction. COD has always been in 600P on current gen systems.

[titletownrelo]

if it was truly 1080p, I have a feeling Activision would be advertising/praising that feature a LOT more.

[ziggurcat]

Damnit, accidentally hit disagree :( curse my stubby fingers on my small cellphone screen...

[ziggurcat]

Upscaled.

[AbortMission]

In da cloudz we Xbox fan(boys) trust Lol

[thehitman]

Dont think it matters, looking at the ps4 graphics it will look like shyt both ways.

[FANTA1180]

you guys worry about the resolution and ill worry about having a blast playing this game

[schubacca]

100% agree. First, it was about the games..... Then it was about the policies.... Now it is about 1080p native.....

I am wondering at what point did some people stop being gamers?

[FANTA1180]

@shubacca

i ask myself that too ,

i keep reading all these comments on here and

i wonder do these guys go home and pop the game

in and count pixels or do they actually play

these games ?

the wii has horrible graphics yet they sold a

gazillion units and people love playing their

first party games

[schubacca]

Is the game any good? That is the more important question....

[majiebeast]

Yet again somebody dances around the actual question is it 1080P native or not. At this point and with the ammount of evading Infinity Ward is doing i say not.

Shocking news
The xbox one version of Ghost is gonna be better then the 360 version :0

[sigfredod]

Actually i will be surprised if not, afterall COD is not a particulary graphic powerhouse, they did 60 fps and nearly native 720 on the 360, so with the xbone specs they should acomplish it, COD maps are small, they already confirm that the player count will be the same on next gen, it will be dissapointing not to get native 1080p on the xbone

[iceman06]

THIS is exactly why the question needs to be answered! It shouldn't be too difficult. If it is, then that leads to more questions.

[abc1233]

To be fair we don't even know when the interview was conducted, could have been before this whole 720p controversy. Though the silence at the moment is quite telling.

[Ezz2013]

i really hate those kind of developers
who think we are fools
the game doesn't even look next gen
it's not really hard to make it 1080p on xbox
but seeing them dances around the real question is pretty telling

that's why i never trust a single word from 3rd party dev's
all they care about is selling their games on all systems
and they never give honest answer

[FANTA1180]

even more shocking news :

ps4 version not delayed ...lol

[noctis_lumia]

who cares lol way better fps are coming
the king bf4
killzone SF
titanfall

[ZHZ90]

And don't forget Destiny too.

[MorePowerOfGreen]

I'm sure devs are sick of having to debunk these manufactured controversies every day it seems. One after the other swatted down from these CBOAT guys.

As you can see above folks still are in denial. The game was announced as 60fps at 1080p native months ago. It's just a new wave of smear campaign due to the attention XB1 has been getting because of its games having really next gen graphics not see on consoles, ever.

I'm sure A company that is going head to head with COD like Respawn will have to match COD with Titanfall as well.

This is getting ridiculous. You would think CBOAT and his cult followers would have learned their lesson when they tried to smear RYSE's *supposed downgrade* when the game never was downgraded.

EDIT

CBOAT knows bits and pieces of known rumors and/or privy to insider info. He then uses this info and guesses the outcomes, throwing as many theories at the wall as he can hoping some will stick. What is fishy is he never reveals more useful and important positive news about XB1 and hardly anything at all for PS4. All his rumors come right before something big is brewing or right after something big was announced. He's like a super fanboy MichaelPpachter

[Statix]

CBOAT from NeoGAF has been providing insider leaks about Xbox since 2005--both good and bad news. According to most long-time GAF members, he has a ~95% accuracy rate.

It would be wishful thinking to just dismiss what he says.

[joefrost00]

Lol really
I can give you a list a mile long about the things he has gotten wrong
So 95 percent is just a straight up lie

[Kayant]

I don't think it's that high but it's high enough to have believe in what he says.

He leaked a gif from the unreleased game remember me before it was shown --->
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Also some things he has gotten right over the years --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[GTgamer]

Give the list and also put the things he got right too.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The insider on Sonygaf has backtracked on his story since Activision has proven him wrong. Also he said that he jumped the gun to quick and wasn't sure about his source. The thread at Gaf has been closed rumour proven to be false.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

CBOAT btw I dont believe stated 720p for COD but rather commented on the rumor of COD and Titanfall to basically throw an attack at Albert Panello saying he should just come forward and stop spinning things.

It was famousmortmer (Pete Dodd) who leaked the 720p rumor and felt his source was really, really flimsy. Dodd felt Penello's response gave credibility to the rumor but this is all still rumor 100%.

CBOAT nailed a good chunk of leaks to the point that many take his leaks as fact but just 2 months back he earned a NeoGaf ban for a short time due to his "leak" about PS4 launching in October. And that isn't the only thing he has been wrong about.

Bottom line... we have roughly 4 weeks until we find out for sure.. I'll just wait till then instead of jumping into a rumor fray.

[pyramidshead]

@frigybby

no one backtracked on anything, and activision hasn't proved anyone wrong. I've not seen a statement yet saying the rumour is false, just that the graphics are great and better than the 360s on XB1.

[Kayant]

@FrigidDARKNESS
No it's still an unconfirmed rumour no one has come to deny or confirm it yet. It's the same situation as driveclub was in so until MS or activision say otherwise you can either have some faith in this rumour or believe it's still 1080p 60fps native like Activision said some months ago.

[BallsEye]

bullsh!t. Cboat was almost always wrong. When finally he make a good guess everyone praise him. I can even guess better than he do....and since when a word from a random forum guy mattered more than official statement by dev?

[ziggurcat]

The irony of the xbox fanboys dismissing CBOAT is that they gobble up anything misterx posts on his delusional blog.

[schubacca]

@kayant: X-1 yield issues were proven right?

[pyramidshead]

greenpowerz new account? o.O or clone account? lol

It takes a simple tweet to debunk simple information like this "Both versions of COD: Ghosts are 1080p res", that simple. The way people are avoiding it is increasingly telling.
CBOAT is one guy/(girl?)and is a insider for MS not Sony, hence no Sony info.
Multiple other insiders seem to be in the same vein. They lined up the nail, CBOAT was just the hammer.

[XboxFun]

So every company should respond to every little rumor that appears on the internet?

If this were the case I'm sure no company would actually get work done.

[pyramidshead]

@XboxFun

lol, not exactly a 'little rumour' though is it now? ;).

Res and framerate seem to be very very very important considering next gen games.

[XboxFun]

Every rumor is blown up due to every site taking something from one source and running with it.

Res and framerate is only a concerned for certain folks. Especially ones who are not interested in the console in question.

[SonyAddict]

Oh, its the kid with one bubble again!.

[GentlemenRUs]

No?

It has the same graphics since CoD:4... Also I broke a rib!

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

Is there something wrong with cod4's graphics?

[H0RSE]

It's funny seeing people coming to some arbitrary rule that games must be 1080p in order to rightfully carry the "next-gen" title. As if a game can be a complete mess, with horrible gameplay, no new tech or features utilized and overall not fun to play, but hey, it runs at 1080p 60fps - next-gen achieved! http://www.youtube.com/watc...

With so many people focusing on the 1080p aspect, it's a wonder why they aren't just playing on PC? It's like they demand the best, yet favor the weaker platform. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it to.

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

People play graphics, gamers play games ;)

[djplonker]

"This game runs like a dog"

And will die like a dog compared to the competition...

http://farm6.staticflickr.c...

[ambientFLIER]

Um, no...This game will do extremely well, just like usual.

[PFFT]

Well there you have it. Ghosts on XBO being played on a 4K TV.

[Silly gameAr]

Does the MS staff read N4G? I swear that recently as soon as anything negative about the X1 shows up, there's usually a counterpoint article that follows in the next 10 minutes or something.

I'm sure this article has something to do with this one http://n4g.com/news/1378717...

[Riderz1337]

This all started on Neogaf. It always starts there ^^. That place is hilarious

[FrigidDARKNESS]

True...the folks from the otherside behavior is unacceptable spreading FUD after FUD. This type of behavior has rubbed gamers the wrong way and they have cancelled their orders to avoid any type of association with them online.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

of course,.. Reputation Management is strong. it's a business in fact.

[MilkMan]

ZZZzzz

[lonz358]

The bigger picture here is if X1 can't run COD in 1080p than what can it run in 1080p?

[MightyNoX]

It's easier to recount what it DOESN'T run in 1080p

[yarbie1000]

Have you ever heard a gamer ask another gamer....

Hey...Are you getting (Insert Game Title)??

Gamer responds: Hell no, have you seen what resolution it runs in??

This convo would never happen in the real world. So i'm not sure why it is so talked about now...grasping for straws.

[MightyNoX]

Point being, you peeps touted the graphical powerhouse of the Cloud to justify paying 500 for a camera you could not remove (I'm speaking before the 180s)

"I can suffer through the 24hr check-in, the harassment and insults from Don and Adam, the erosion of my rights because the Cloud will run things in 4k! Haha, enjoy your PS3.5, sony ponies!"

Now that we're seeing more and more games running in 720, you cannot, repeat, CANNOT pull the 'oh no one cares about the resolution' card and expect us not to call you out on your laughable b.s.

And lest we forget, if REAL gamers did not care about the graphics, the Wii U would have sold like hot cake.

Look, the point I'm making is that the PS4 has hardcore gamers locked (resolution) and the casual gamers (price), all's left for Xbox One are the dudebro crowd and even IW has recently came out and stated they are not 'real gamers'

[H0RSE]

The flaw in your argument, Mox, is that just because MS's cloud technology is available, it isn't mandatory, so if a dev chooses not to use it, that's their choice. Furthermore, the consoles have not even released yet, and people like you are claiming that all the press coming out pre-launch, are some sort of definitive aspects of the X1, that will never change ever, yet at the same time, the PS4 (or at least the devs understanding of the hardware) will somehow get better with age...

As for this gem:

"And lest we forget, if REAL gamers did not care about the graphics, the Wii U would have sold like hot cake."

First off, the "real" gamer argument is a "No True Scotsman" informal fallacy.

Second, the reason the WiiU didn't sell like hotcakes is 1) the "casual" stigma it retained from the first Wii. 2) It doesn't have any games. Unless you're into Mario and Zelda, the library isn't really robust.

A lot of people want to play games that aren't available for the WiiU. It is less about graphics, and more about availability.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Looking forward to the pixel counters news on release.No more excuses, only harsh truth.

The first of many, no doubt.

[Majin-vegeta]

We don't care if it has great graphics.

WE WANT TO0 FARKING KNOW IT'S RESOLUTION!!!!

http://youtu.be/cJX1REQB12o

[thrust]

It tells you in plain English, 60fps 1080p

[Mr_Writer85]

No it doesn't

Learn to read at no point in any of that articule does it say "it runs at 1080p and 60fp".. You see those " it means that's a quote.

It says EUROGAMER say its 1080p.

As far as I'm aware they are not the developers.

[thrust]

Ok mate sure! Think it is you who needs to learn how to read!

As revealed by Eurogamer in June, the game runs at 60 frames per second in 1080p.

AS!

They are playing it 60/1080p on a 4k tv

They are confirming what euro gamer said! Wow people are nuts on here hahaha

[Mr_Writer85]

Again your inability to read has left you looking stupid.

- IW are not quoted on the 1080p

- It's also made clear which version is being demoed.

- This was posted in June much could happend since then.

May I suggest taking reading lessons as your inability to read plain English is embarrassing to be honest.

[Mr_Writer85]

This clown PM'd me crying some more.

Going on about how EG reported the 1080p, which they did.

But had this person been able to read he would of seen not ONCE in the whole report do Infinity Ward mention 1080p.

So EG could be A) Talking BS (IW wouldn't want to correct them as they would of wanted to avoid a fallout. B) Watching a PC or even PS4 build.

Who knows, but this boys and girls is a reason you shouldn't skip school otherwise you show yourself up.

Don't be a fool

Stay in school.

[quenomamen]

Translation:
Hey kids go out and pre order your copy today !
Even though it will be the same old rinse an repeat.

[Sadist3]

Don't care if it's up scaled or native. Doesn't make a difference. Most of you people are like crybabies, complaining about every little thing. Grow up, stop crying about nothing, because when you're playing a game you can't tell the difference between native or up scaled

[Goro]

Microsoft obviously payed them to say this.

[toddybad]

ffs.

[sovietsoldier]

Call of Duty: Ghosts has "fantastic graphics" on Xbox One, reiterates Infinity Ward.

Call of Duty: Ghosts has "shitty milked out game play" on Xbox One, reiterates players.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Good one, I laughed out loud, 'cause it's true.

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

"If you don't have something nice to say... then don't say anything at all". (I understand freedom of speech, but would it kill you to avoid articles that doesn't tickle your fancy? Hmm) Anyway regardless of graphics I'm sure ghosts' s is going to be fun.

[McScroggz]

I am not somebody who bashes Call of Duty. However, Call of Duty games haven't looked good for a while, and Ghosts certainly is no exception. I'm inclined to believe Ghosts runs at 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbox One, but I also think it looks crappy on the PS4. Sure, Infinity Ward isn't going to say that, and Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo isn't going to say it either.

It is worrisome though if true. It makes me think that between the weaker power and harder to developer for, the Xbox One will have a noticeable difference in visuals and performance compared to PS4 - admittedly something I anticipated.

Call of Duty: Ghosts is a game whose focus is on 60FPS at the expense of visuals, as well as a game appearing on current gen consoles, and the Xbox One might not be able to get at least 900p. If true...I feel sorry for enthusiast gamers who buy the Xbox One.

[Trekster_Gamer]

the haters can hate all they want, Call of Duty: Ghosts is going to look awesome and play awesome!

[Funky Town_TX]

COD has not looked good since Modern Warfare. And that is when the GFX stayed the same.

[Shane Kim]

This is the thing that makes me wonder if it really is. When developers come out and want to "make sure" that it's all fine and dandy, that is when I start to really question if it's really true.

[FlyingFoxy]

People cause a major shitstorm over this and brag over PS4, but when people mention PC being that much better again they get their panties in a twist, and act like they don't care..

True story.

[Funky Town_TX]

Don't say that here dude. People just want to compare consoles.

[Red_Devilz]

Graphics are just fantastic-er on PS4. Thats it :D

1080P naive >>> 1080P upscaled

[1nsomniac]

Whether on XBone or PS4, 1080p Native or upscaled, it looks utter shite either way!!

[Metfanant]

and they STILL wont just come out and say if its native 1080p or not...its just like all along how DICE kept saying "60fps on next gen consoles" and never mentioned resolution...

CoD will be sub 1080p on the Xbone...lock it up...

[TechMech2]

I want facts. Not vague statements,

[Funky Town_TX]

Bland Textures, Zero Shadows, 8 Bit explosion effects, PS2 era physics, recycled sound from MW2, and we care about the resolution? Lets move one guys. I looked at the vids and are these x360,PS3, PS4 or xbox one graphics?

[shauzy]

infinity ward? the real infinity ward is respawn entertainment

[Gore-Content]

The guy didn't say if it's actually 1080p or not on the xbone. So, it's pretty much confirmed that it's not, right? He's the executive producer after all.

Also, if it looks "fantastic" on the xbone with only 720p, how much better will it look on the PS4?

[Mogwai]

Im sure it will be the same COD experience we have come to know with better graphics and still all the childish dickheads calling everyone a fag. nothing new to see here!

[annus]

From what I've seen here at N4G every game on PS4 and XBone will be filled with them anyway.

[BobBelcher]

this is dumb. If Forza can pull 1080p, then so can CoD: Ghosts.

I'd be completely surprised if it doesn't, but really would care less.

[Max-Zorin]

PC is gonna graphically curb stomp both systems anyway.

[Ihaka]

Yeah, we've seen Ghosts "Fantastic graphics" and cant tell it apart from last gen.

[KontryBoy706]

Lol they keep saying things like fantastic, great, wonderful but they refuse to say native 1080p. LMAO

[Errefus]

1080p scaled and hd textures.... ill wait for a native 1080p

[StoutBEER]

Oh no! People were misinformed about something on n4g?! What a surprise. -_-

[Jeedai Infidel]

It's good to know there is a place like n4g that can facilitate writing practice for all the teenagers that frequent this site, proper grammar is another story; Then and than are two completely different words, and that red line under that word you just spelled means you spelled it wrong.

Grammar is the logic of speech, even as logic is the grammar of reason. ~Richard C. Trench

Ignorant people think it is the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it is the sickening grammar that they use. ~Mark Twain