Microsoft's messages on whether Kinect is necessary or not to enjoy the upcoming Xbox One has been slightly confusing. To add even more confusion Popular Mechanics named the console within “The 10 Breakthrough Products of 2013″ mentioning the controversial camera as “integral” to the operation of the console. This, of course, sparked further debate on whether that means that it’s needed or not.
Microsoft Albert Penello came to the Rescue to explain what that really means and more.
Following Sony’s PS5 deep-dive, former Xbox Marketing Director Albert Penello has been talking about Sony’s upcoming next-gen console.
Price to performance, reputation, and if the Last of us 2 and Ghost of Tuishima reviews well Sony will have the advantage at launch. Not to mention all they need is one big exclusive at launch. Spider-Man 2 or Horizon would be a perfect launch title just saying. If they can sell this thing at $399 or $450 it's a win.
Meanwhile, Gears of War 5 Multiplayer will be running at 120fps on Xbox Series X. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.
I'd choose Framerate over loading times anyday
Yuck, GoW5.
And of course Gow5 can run on sX at 120 frames it was design to run on xb1, a 1.3TF machine. Unimpressed!
Have not been interested in Gears since the early and mid 2000s. It feels stale and old to me now. Good game back in the day though. I could have played Gears 5 in that framerate with my PC so what is your point?
PS. What makes you think the PS5 can't run games in 120fps?
captain
i can say for certain both console will be able to do 4k/60FPS or a bit lower res at 120FPS
I just don't want anymore 30FPS games
henry1916
price will be a huge factor especially if one console is $499 and the other is $399. It's about initial momentum and market share. Demon souls remake will launch with ps5
SSD is not just for loading times. It is tied to the gpu and has 2 cores (Almost equivalent to Zen 2 cores) in its controller to act as an extra pool of bandwidth. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.
Not to mention developers are more excited about the SSD tech they wanted for decades compared to extra power.
BTW Gears 5 is the worst Gears in the series. Can't believe people using that game as an argument when its even review bombed on the Xbox store itself.
And I can run it, right now, at 144HZ on a device far better. So, you made absolutely no point at all. This is on top of the fact that, given the chance, the PS5 would be able to run Gears 5 under those same conditions I know some of you see some major "gap" here, but it doesn't exist.
Is the Series X more powerful? Yes. Is it big (like Pro → X big)? No. Not even close.
I can't fully agree with this just because I personally don't care about Gears 5 at 120. I do agree about load time vs frame rate though.
I'd rather have better frame rates than faster load times, but, that's me.
If you’re choosing framerate over load times you should be playing on PC then.
That is no way to sway me to buy an XBSX because of an old game that runs 120fps. Show off some new original must play AAA exclusives running at 120fps that will be impressive.
You really going to be impressed at a last gen game, which was built to run on xbox vanilla, running 120 frames on next gen hardware? Must be nice to be an xbox dude as your expectations are so incredibly low.
Well if you like Gears of War 5 in smooth frames go for it. Im more excited for what Sony delivers generation after generation.
I'll choose better games of the average gears of war thanks, Gears is exactly whats wrong with Xbox, mediocre and boring.
Great so you get to play an enhanced mediocre game. While we get game of the year contenders with t.l.o.u.2 and g.o.t.
Oh really like all games on the X were said to be 4k and they simply were not?
Or high fidelity vr ? Best to wait and see as execs tend to lie
Happy for you man. But ill take Spiderman 2, Hzd, gow2 anytime anyday over 250fps gears of war.
Infact ill take GofTsushima and Tlou2 over it anyday.
""Meanwhile, Gears of War 5 Multiplayer will be running at 120fps on Xbox Series X. Confirmed by Digital Foundry.""
Wow... that's soo awesome , i am sure people will run like bats from hell to buy xbox now
/s 😒
It's like you guys live in another world.. how is gears 5 sales btw ?
One remark I read quite often on this site is the comment that technical specifications matter to people that visit sites like this because they are of more importance to knowledgeable people with insight as when compared to the average gamer. Then they turn around and make a remark that undercuts their entire claim by blindly focusing on one number.
A Teraflop is a contrived number. It is a technical estimation computed by examining the design of the chip. It is not a guarantee you will get that same number of teraflops on the screen because that silicon can be bottlenecked and/or hamstrung at any point along the way.
There is a reason developers are excited by memory throughput on the new consoles. Comments about this new feature dominate the remarks made by developers since word of this feature was announced by both Microsoft and Sony. Developers were not beaming over the new silicon graphics possibilities, it was the SSD offerings. Not even the possibility of raytracing excited developers as much as the SSD throughput. And in that matter the throughput of the PS5 is twice that of the Xbox series X. Laymen, of which there are more on this site than some think, do not understand how the SSD pipeline affects graphics including frame rate. With a custom flash controller to manage the flow insuring no bottleneck, and CUs operating at a higher clock speed no one downplaying the PS5 should be counting their triangles yet.
the same gears 5 that has been abysmal online since the initial surge of players after it debuted?
Haha this clown is still around?let's look at the game and compare what's really appealing. X1x is a proof that games mean everything.
Whats your point? It runs at 60FPS on the X, we would be more surprised if it didn't run better on the new console.
But you do back others peoples comments, they are talking about playing games designed with the PS5 in mind, you are talking about an Xbox One game.
Yeah, but where is Gears 5 now on most play list on Xbox Store US? Even with Game Pass? Yeah, you don't wanna know? But actually, at 39th place.
Frames are absolutely important, however not on inferior games.
I'd play Bloodborne over Gears any day, hands down....not even debatable without laughing.
Quality of game is paramount.
@captaincook
You are also choosing an inferior system architecture, and mediocre exclusive titles that are shared on the PC platform. From the Xbox all the way to the Series X, you've been playing the same AAA exclusive literally beating a dead horse. I don't think people really realize how HUGE of a leap Sony has taken to the architecture of the PS5. Maybe next gen (ps6 / xbox series one X) when Microsoft steals the design for themselves you will see why it is being praised.
For those that don't understand, Sony just did what tesla is doing to the electric car industry. it's truely revolutionary and I just can't wait to see what is going to happen in the 1st and 2nd party market. I don't care for the 3rd party market because I will be buying those on the ps5 & pc so I will have the best of all worlds regardless. This generation is really astounding.
You seem to forget that people have chose Playstation and Nintendo over Xbox any day a d it will be the same next gen.
***and if the Last of us 2 and Ghost of Tuishima reviews well Sony will have the advantage at launch***
Eh, only if they have games coming for just the PS5 and not games that people already played on the PS4 or are held back by PS4 hardware.
if this is an excuse u have for lack of xbox one exclusives then it is a really sad one. while you enjoy your wait ps4 owners will be enjoying 2 huge exclusives
It still gives Sony momentum. Most Sony fan expects most of Playstation exclusives to be great and that will make them upgrade and purchase a PS5
That's not true. Having bc with those games makes gamers more confident in upgrading.
***if this is an excuse u have for lack of xbox one exclusives then it is a really sad one. while you enjoy your wait ps4 owners will be enjoying 2 huge exclusives***
Let me get this straight:
1. I make a comment about Sony needing games on PS5.
2. You make it about XBO not having games, which has been the reason many people have used for explaining why XBO lost this generation.
3. You don't understand the irony in your statement about Xbox is the one I'm making about PS5 when people make it about PS4 games being on PS5.
4. You think I only own an Xbox, let alone don't realize I owned a PS4 way before an XBO.
To me it means Sony is finishing off this gen masterfully. It shows potential ps5 owners that it's a good investment knowing AAA games are their focus. Even in a consoles last yr.
Are you saying that ps5 will be the first console ever to have last gen games only at launch? Lol...
***Are you saying that ps5 will be the first console ever to have last gen games only at launch? Lol...***
I'm saying the same thing many others have said here, if there are no exclusive games, there's not much reason to pick up new hardware if it only plays current-gen/crossover games. Does this rule not exist for PS5, just XSX?
Lol?
Yes lol, your post makes no sense..
A console never released without an exclusive.. I'm sure even ouya did.
I think Christopher means a console needs its own exclusive games. Which is very true. The PS5 will have exclusive games like every console before it of course but since Xbox SX does not have exclusives, what he says is not a moot point.
So yes, PS5’s PS4 heavyhitters like TLOU2 will be big drivers imo, but PS5’s own exclusives should be the focus going forward.
Don't worry about Ps5 exclusives games in it firs 6 months. It will be available alright. But don't get your hope up of PS5 having no exclusive on launch day.
I'm actually not against holding off on playing either game until I procure a PS5. I have a base PS4, so the enhancements would be our of this world for me.
***A console never released without an exclusive.. I'm sure even ouya did.***
The XSX will release with no exclusives. Their games will be available on Xbox One as well.
The Ouya didn't release with any exclusives, just FYI.
So you are saying everything hinges on LoU2 and GoT reviewing well...?
And about the only thing that disappointed me about the PS5 was the bc. I was under the impression they would (at least) have digital PS1 support like the PS3, PSP, PSV has. Not having PS3 I can understand but even PS2 games have been given PS4 support (games like jedi knight 2 and racers revenge for example).
Otherwise I was very impressed with the PS5 and look forward to having one in my home.
No but it does help and keep that reputation going. Sony has already prove themselves with great first party exclusives year after year and I expect them to continue that trend. It's the reason why I bought a PS4
No, but they help promote the brand overall.
Sony's IPs (TLOU2 and Ghost) reviewing well would be a boon and give them momentum and you could therefore make the case for a PS5 saying "Well check this out, if you get a PS5 you'll get even more games like these!"
I hope that's what people are trying to say because I have to agree.
yeah... complacency breeds a lack of innovation. ms is hungry and bringing it to the table. and they're going to have a lot more exclusives than just gears and halo. they've only slipped one right now: hellblade 2. they have 16 highly rated (now) first party studios all cranking at capacity for gen 9. don't expect xbox to be lacking quality exclusives this time. Couple that with superior hardware, better services like gamepass and xcloud. better support like software returns, free series x enhanced upgrades without the need to re-purchase a game, backwards compatibility across all generations - sorry. xbox actually has something to offer now - and its legit.
But Sony has the better games, PS5 will be twice as fast at getting stuff on the screen - that surely makes up for any arbitrary difference in a tflop count.
Most of the decent studios ms acquired had already been making exclusively for xbox. The other are AA at best.
PS5 will have exclusives day 1 from 1st larty studios without it's baby brother screaming me to, me to. ms has crippled any performance gain of xsx by lugging the inferior xone/x into the dev cycle.
The SSD is where the big difference is coming from. Try and think a little outside the box. They're are both going at the same problem a different way.
16 highly rated studios? That remains to be seen. Most of them haven't even released a game yet. Sony on the other hand has a proven track record.
You’ll be more likely to get a ridge racer, wipeout or Tekken for launch the real good stuff will be minimum 6 months after just so they can start getting the best out of the console.
Might even get a new Killzone or resistance
The issue, up to this point, is the absence of a hardware. Show us the look of the hardware, show us some technical demo, show us the technical of that revolutionary sound design. It is strange because by now, the hardware design should be set in stone, and production should be already underway. Not showing any hardware, does this mean that the hardware design is still not ready at this moment?
So now it's tf vs SSD. Will be a wild battle.
Went from a big smile on the SSD part to huh on the cu, gpu, tf part. Sony always do unique and weird $hit but it always works lmao😁😂
It will be an interesting 'battle' indeed. Sony's installed base will play a large part in it.
Being part of the crowd who invented the 'secret sauce', I'm sure you know plenty about it. :)
@CaptainHenry916
The interesting thing is those who argue in favor of the SSD actually have a stronger point. It's an actual part inside the machine and can give you real world results. Floating point operations/second are, yes, a computational potential, but that's the extent. It's only a buzzword now because console gamers latch on to stuff like that without fully understanding what it is (it's the 'BitS" argument all over again).
@rows and the SX SSD is no slouch and already confirmed it can be utilized in much the same way that Sony is saying. Both are directly connected to the main cpu/gpu. Both have dedicated processors to help move that data along. sony just has an extra one to increase that speed but neither one is riding in the slow lane on the highway.
It's amazing how you can rightfully perceive that SSD is indeed a very important part of the next-gen experience by the fact that both Sony and MS went to great length to integrate it into their respective consoles. And you again rightfully deduce that even with a 120% disadvantage, the Xbox won't be completely left behind in that department. But how come a 120% difference won't matter much, but a mere 14-17% will?
It's like people who see a supped up Corvette with 760 HP can't fathom that a supped up Mazda Miata weighing only half of what the corvette does would only require 500 hp to match the corvette while probably being more agile as well due to better overall weight distribution.
@cupid, I prefer to look at them as a cheetah (PS5) vs a lion (SX) one is faster and one is stronger but neither are prey. Both are predators who are very good at what they do.
I doubt any game requires more than 2-3GB/Sec transfer rates. Nobody can answer me when I ask how much data is in one game location. I said in another thread that worlds load as you move, so when it takes you 10 seconds to walk across a city plaza, the game is loading in the background. Those 9GB/Sec max transfer rates won't matter because by the time you get to your destination, both consoles will have loaded the necessary data. If you teleport everywhere, like across every screen, then I can see the PS5 IO being helpful, but games don't work that way. You have to take into consideration travel time. No game will let the player travel at mach speed to use a constant 5+GB/sec data transfer. Level streaming will be seamless on both platforms. That's just open world games, games with actual levels don't need those speeds, either. Will a loading time of 3 seconds actually be any better than 5 or 6 seconds? How often do people fast travel? PS5 will maybe save you a couple minutes over the course of a day of gaming.
@elementx
That’s the point. With the additional speed, customizations and optimizations they have implemented in the SSD, I/O controller developers can change the way games are made. Your argument is based on what you know not what you haven’t seen created yet.
Most games will still run on PC so I'm wondering just how many features for velocity processing whatever and 9GB/s IO are going to be utilized.
I don't think games will fundamentally change. It will be an evolution not a huge leap. 9GB is awesome but I'm just wondering the actual benefits when most games will cater to the lowest denominator
Show me what 9gb/s can do that 2.5gb can't as far as level design. You still have to travel and how large are assets? How much data is required for a city in Witcher 3 for instance? I've tried looking online. Nobody can tell me, I've asked in two threads now.
@Element
How much data that is in one location is irrelevant to the speeds by which it can be transferred across storage mediums and the bus. The point is, how much data can be moved within a time frame, and Sony gave a real world example of as quick as you can move the camera. MS dressed it up in PR, and for a group of people saying they want 100fps+, they aren't going to get that with the transfer speeds that MS allows with its design.
As to why no one can answer you, it's probably because you ask the wrong question, and the fact that there is no way to answer the question without knowing the design of the game, because as with many things in programming, the answer is, "it depends".
Oh wow, now I'm imagining a game where you're in a jet travelling at Mach speeds with no texture degradation. It's all just there in perfect clarity no matter how fast you travel...
I was simply trying to get a rough estimate of actual game asset sizes. If you fast travel to a city and the surrounding area is under say, 3GB, both consoles will load in about a second. I guess I want an idea of the amount of data we're talking about here. I'm sure no game will drop you into a location requiring 9GB of data, that just sounds absurdly high, but I dunno so I was asking and looking online.
How much data is streamed during normal travel? Wouldn't it be interesting to know? People are excited about IO but nobody knows what that's actually good for. We just have instant loading PR speak. If game assets don't require all that speed then you're paying more for an add on drive with no benefit other than a few seconds load time. 3rd party games will still run on Series X and PC
I'd not look at it from the viewpoint of a full level, but rather, how much data is required to render a frame. That can vary quite a bit, but a 4K scene at 30fps, assuming a modest level of detail and number of objects(might be easier if you pick a few examples of games), would take maybe about 400-500MB of data for textures, and maybe 1/4-1/2 that amount for objects and everything attached to them(like AI or animation routines. There is a lot of shared data, which wouldn't have to keep being pulled in every time it's needed, and it'd make more sense to keep that in resident memory. A full scene in a game, as in keeping everything need that you may encounter between any load sessions will probably run anywhere between 2-4GB, with the rest of memory used for program runtime tasks such as actually running the game loop, or handling the rendering engine.
The application is going to determine the effect and benefit of this feature, and realistically, it wouldn't make sense to always be streaming data in every time you turn a camera, and chances are, scenes aren't going to require a lot of that. But it opens up the potential to have complex objects and high levels of detail on objects streamed in on the fly, instead of requiring some trick to load it in that would distract the user...like a cutscene or maybe an ominous sound that breaks the action until something jumps out at you.
It can allow for much more complex levels of detail which can allow you to zoom in close to objects, and add detail to them without having to keep that loaded in memory or have some delay when examining them.
As to how much data is streamed within normal travel....probably not much with the way things are designed now. Most games use what's called occlusion culling, which only loads things when you pass through certain areas, such as a tunnel or a room between two other rooms. Open world games use LOD streaming, which can load sections that act as a buffer between areas, but general information about the area you can see, but aren't in yet are streamed in on the fly. It's usually why there are such sharp changes when going from one "zone" to another, as opposed to the gradual change that you would normally see.
In the end though, how much is more of an it depends situation. There is no one answer, because there are numerous solutions. There are people who do nothing but think of ways to do things, and all of them get shared and reused, and improved upon over time.
From what is being said by devs, the SSD in PS5 is very much a secret sauce. A real one in this case based on actual hardware. While xbox is using a SSD, it is half (?) as fast as the PS5.
The thing is TF really doesn’t mean that much. It’s a very poor way of calculating power. Lower TF cards frequently outperform higher TF cards.
Replies(5)Sony did drop the ball. They solved a problem where one didn't exist with that audio stuff. They could have had a cheaper dedicated hardware solution then given us a better gpu. All the subscriber to df and there patrons is a clue. People want pixels and frame rates. The sad part is they could have had all Thad ssd stuff too. There is no value in spending money on something that 5 out a 100 people will notice. Mark Cearny should have to answer to the board. I'm a PlayStation guy and admit that the system is very dissapointing. No one ever talks about audio with any sort of sophistication. It's kind of a failure. Honestly. Mark Cearny because of the success of the PS4 was left to his own devices. That was a mistake. Like kojima on death stranding. He made a console he wanted, not one the people paying for it wanted. I mean it's Rdna 2 but not really. That was evident when he said the game with that raytracing with very little compromise at the end. It should've been zero if trully dedicated hardware was on the silicon. It's essentially a PS4 pro pro with better audio. Or a movie player with the best audio. That could have been a beast too. They messed up with that audio crap.
The "audio stuff" is clearly part of their PSVR 2 program and VR is the future of gaming.
Like Kinect...we will see. I'm a PlayStation guy and I'm the first to admit that I am.more excited for the Xbox. Someone on the board should have told him no with that audio stuff. Mailing photos of your ear and stuff. That cost them more money in the long run. Its a problem that didn't exist. The money would've been better spent on cpu and gpu stuff. Along with the ssd, that would have been a killer.
They had dedicated audio on the ps4 and went back to that. Series x also has dedicated audio...so I guess they dropped the ball too. Fanboys are weird.
I bet they didn't spend a crap ton like Sony. I'm saying Sony went overboard with it.
I love how everyone bagged on Sony for not "innovating" with the PS4, then bag on them for innovating with the PS5.
That "audio crap" has the potential to fundamentally transform the level of immersion we have in gaming,
But no one cares about that. Df had never mentioned it. It's frame rates and pixel count. They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos. People care about frame rates and pixel counts. It makes no business sense. Under pure academic scrutiny Sony missed the mark.
DF makes a point of talking about Sony's approach to audio in their spec breakdown. They're clearly impressed.
"Under pure academic scrutiny" Sony did some interesting and innovative things with the PS5 architecture. They didn't sell it well but the system itself is very interesting.
There's no reason why the PS5 needs to be a more powerful Xbox. If they weren't going to chase raw power with MS this is exactly what they should have done. They just should have sold it better.
@S2Killinit:
It'll be great for everything, but I can especially see it working well for shooters and horror. Imagine being able to hear the exact position of another player in a shooter based on their footsteps. Not the general area like right now, but where they really are. Or having to realistically figure out where you're being shot at as you can hear bullets fly past. With horror, it's obvious.
"They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos."
Digital Foundry doesnt even have one million subscribers on YouTube and I'll bet their Patreon subs are significally lower than that. All of their videos only get a few hundred thousand views at most.
Face it, PS5 will win the next generation because of Sony's history of strong game line ups like it always has.
Audio was an invented problem. No one cared. Sony is making people think they care. They had the ssd. They could have used cheaper custom audio and gotten better CPU and GPU tech with saved time and money. My point was when you do comparisons, sound isn't talked about. I stand by my thought. That sound thing is wasted resources.
My point is that no one cares about small graphical differences like youre trying to make it out to be.
The Digital Foundry audience is niche and the average consumer will go with the system that is priced better.
You people are making it out to be like the PS5 is a weak POS when its not even that far behind the Series X at all. The PS5 will do things better than the Series X just like how the PS2 was able to do things better than the OG Xbox.
audio crap? So all you want it better graphics. You don't want advancements in immersion to do with gaming. I'm all for this, currently playing COD, surround sound makes anything up or down hard to tell it's location, if this new audio allows for precise location of sound then thats a winner. Also, I think your underestimating the effect this sound could have on the experience, if you understand the tech, its a serious sound upgrade.
You clearly don't realise the potential this could have. Graphics will reach a ceiling, other advancements need to be made to push gaming.
Also if you watch DF video they are clearly very excited for the sound but hey, you cherry pick the bits you want.
" But no one cares about that. Df had never mentioned it. It's frame rates and pixel count. They have millions of subscribers and patreon to watch their videos. People care about frame rates and pixel counts. It makes no business sense. Under pure academic scrutiny Sony missed the mark."
They do? Weird I could have sworn the Nintendo Switch which have neither of those advantages just blew by 7 years of Xbox sales in under 3 years? Maybe it was my imagination? Oh right that actually did happen. Turns out the general population just wants the better games. Wow the PS1, PS2 and Wii also won by huge margins even though they were significantly underpowered too. Weird it's almost like the power in almost all the major generations didn't matter as much as we thought.
I totally understand where you're coming from because I'm a graphics whore (which is why I game on PS4 and PC) but since I play a lot of online multiplayer first person shooters with a surround sound headset, the idea of 3D audio is really exciting to me. It's a much-welcomed innovation particularly for the eSports crowd because it provides another level of immersion where you can tell the location of your enemy vertically as well as compared to right now where it's either left, right, front and back.
And it is indeed RDNA2 GPU. They have confirmed multiple times that the console will have hardware ray-tracing, just like the competition. And if you think having a dedicated RT hardware on the silicon won't have an impact on framerates when RT is turned on, the RTX series graphics card has got some benchmarks for you.
I would be lying to say that the Xbox Series X doesn't seem impressive. It is a beast in its own right but being 15% more powerful is just not enough anymore. PS4 GPU was roughly 50% more powerful than Xbox One when they launched
Funny how everyone has a PHD in HW engineering as soon as new consoles get revealed. You most likely have no idea what you're talking about. I bet the PS5 will be the more successful console regardless of specs. But let's just wait and see lol.
And if they went with a higher priced GPU then it would be a higher priced console. It's practically an RTX 2070s vs an RTX 2080s both of which are great GPUs, but easily $100 apart on the console level.
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Albert Penello was the Senior Director of Marketing for Xbox. He was fairly active during leading to the launch of the Xbox One.
"He was fairly active during leading to the launch of the Xbox One."
Which wasn't a good thing for Xbox 🤣 To the point where they had to the pretty much gag the fellow.
The man who created the "highest quality pixels" derision by editing out context from the video.
Yeah lol. He had been waiting for Scorpio for ages.
You can't fault his passion but the manner in which that translated in his social media and forum posts and how he got thoroughly shut down on the weakness of those points really made the Xbox brand, in core gaming circles, look worse not better.
Phil Spencer´s restructure of the Xbox brand is still goin! Since he got promoted we got Booty in his place, Darrell Gallagher is now part of the Xbox Team and now Penello is out!
Future seems exciting! :)
Good. Xbox marketing has been awful and probably cost them. Games like sunset overdrive, recore etc should've had a better public perception.
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Recore was just not a good game. As for Sunset Overdrive, definitely agree. Still one of the best games of this generation.
Recore is actually pretty good after a year of patches + some content. Weirdly middle market game that reminds me of the 6th gen.
Its evident that MS rushed the game after throwing a pc port on top, a lot for a small team to handle.
I'm surprised Greenberg is still there. I think he needs to go then we will see Microsoft start fresh.
He was in for the long haul
The Xbox brand hasn’t even been around for 18 years yet
Do you think the released the system the same day Bill gates said "sure let's get into the gaming business"? It takes years to make a console and was probably started in early 1999
First XBOX launched in 2001, they started development before that... so yes he was their
I know Xbox planning started in the late 90s, but the brand itself still hasn’t been around for 18 years
The initial reveal of the xbox was in 2000 the release was in 2001 so yes... it has been around for 18 years.
And the Play Station add-on was unveiled in 1991 with planning starting in 1988, that doesn’t mean that the PlayStation brand has been around for 27 years or 30 years respectively.
I count a brand’s existence as the time since it first released, not when it was first unveiled or its planning stages.
A brand does not become live when it releases... there has to be a reveal that sets the stage for the marketing and promotional material and release information for stores.
the release date is just that, when you (as a consumer) can buy it. Prior to that is setting up everything else (including the brand). Xbox has existed longer than 18 years (if you add in the planning stage) but it is the public reveal that is when it becomes live. Xbox was revealed at GDC in March of 2000. That is the date the brand was made public.
you really cant use release dates because back then they were usually staggered. PS released in JP in 94 so do you consider that the year the brand started or do you consider it 95 when it released in the RotW? Or perhaps earlier when they first revealed they were going to make their own game console after the break up with Nintendo (which was spelled differently by the way)?
Look at the documentation for any entertainment product or brand and you’ll easily see that the day it gets released is the day it starts actually existing. Everything prior to that is just conceptual that could very well even turn out to be vaporware.
- PSP for example was unveiled at E3 2003, but nobody adds on that year for the time Sony spent in the handheld market.
- Look at the character of Superman for example. He was conceptuallly created in 1933 but he didn’t actually get his publication until 1938 which makes him 80 years old in 2018, not 85 years.
- Deep Down was unveiled to the public five years ago. If that game were to ever come out, those five or more years wouldn’t be counted to the time the brand has been active.
Of course 1994 is the year the PlayStation brand started. Sony themselves recognize this as they started the first PlayStation Experience conference in 2014 to commemorate such a milestone. They even announced the 20th anniversary PS4 special edition the exact day PS1 first released.
https://m.youtube.com/watch...
Nintendo themselves recognize that 1983 was the year Famicom, ie the NES, released as 30 years later they had their own promotion for the anniversary.
https://venturebeat.com/201...
More Xbox One X enhanced games for the Xbox 360 backwards compatibility are coming soon.
Is that what you think of SotC then thrash? It's an old game that has been sold 3 times now.
@Kingthrash360
How is it lazy, cheap support when MS is improving games I already bought on my original Xbox and 360 and updating them for My new console, some with 4K Visuals?
I pay nothing more for it ...I'm just able to use my discs or digital on my new console , improved at no extra cost...
Meanwhile Sony are offering backwards compatibility via a streaming service which means to play them on my PS4 I have to purchase them again ?
Or Worse ... Re releasing games over again , every generation .. ie Shadow of the Colossus and Sony fans are singing their praises ?
You've literally bought the same game three times lol !!
Sony removed hardware backwards compatibility from the PS3 , replaced it with software and then removed it completely ..
Now Sony wants to sell you the same games you already bought to play in an inferior manner via PS Now.
Oh yeah "For the Players" ....lol
@Kingthrash360
We getting better versions of enhanced games on the X than Sony´s remasters on PS4 Pro for FREE! Sony will make us pay for old remastered games every single generation.
Sony is making big money out remasters and that´s why i don´t belive the PS5 to be backwards compatible! Doesn´t matter what you say about old games since is the real gamers that are out there spending their money on them.
According to the latest sales reports, PS4 fans love old games! All i see is games like Crash and SoT on the spootlight making to the Top 20 UK chartz! No signal of new games like Horizon, Uncharted Lost Legacy or Gran Turismo Sport. Facts.
***So resale old games a 3rd time....man. this is just lazy, cheap support.***
Or play old games you already own at better performance and HiRes graphic simulation. At least there's the option to play those games. Or are we going to go with the argument that nobody wants old games likes Shadow of the Colossus?
They're not selling me anything new unless I don't already own the game from my time with my 360. And even then, I can get these games for $5-10, not $40.
@darthv72 can you name a huge hit for Xbox that deserves the shadow of the colossus treatment?
Who is reselling old games for a 3rd time?
Too funny, let's bang on MS for proving enhancements for older games you might already own.
Meanwhile let's celebrate other companies putting fresh paint over a tired and beaten down Datsun.
Call it a blatant crutch because MS obviously has nothing new to offer, they HAVE to rely on BC .
Lots of emphasis and support for backwards compatibility to distract xbox gamers from realizing that they have nothing going forward...
@Kingthrash360 - BC means you can play the game on Xbox One if you already own it for OG or Xbox 360. Enhancements are free. Maybe knowing just a little bit about what you are talking about before you post might help? You think?
all I know is that one of my favourite games of all time kotor looks great on back compat so I'm all for it
Mind sharing how reading the title led you to that conclusion?
Anyways, it is pretty cool that BC can get upgraded this much though. Seems like devs are able to basically remaster them on 1X if they want:
https://www.windowscentral....
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While this is an amazing feature i wish even sony would adopt, id rather info on new releases in 2018/19. Other game makers choose to remake or remaster older titles instead of the backwards compat route which isnt a big deal to me either as i rent my games through gf or redbox.
I get what your saying but I'm there other way. Ide rather know what I'm getting in the next few months rather than what maybe out late on this year maybe next to then find out its been dropped.
Replies(1)yep, they also paid money for the TV, couch they sit on, House they live in etc. do you wanna add all up?
No, people paid $500 for the ability to play older games to go with the newer ones just like how people brought the PS4 Pro to play a better looking version of a game compared to the base PS4 , but some people have this illusion that the only games on xbox are the BC games
Guess what... the Xbox One and Xbox One S versions are improved play over originals too... just the Xbox One X will add even more enhancements for FREE. Too bad PS4 you have to wait for a complete remade game to come and then pay for it again.
Please add and enhance ninja gaiden 2 and dantes inferno please. Also the mass effect trilogy remaster would be insanely great.
To collect marketing data isn't it? Why else is it mandatory? Oh wait for all the 'TV stuff' you can do with it?
Yeah sure. Microsoft discovered a Trojan Horse, and have been harping on about it since. Once it's in your living room, and you click the "agree" button to the EULA, there will be no going back then.
As for it being any kind of breakthrough, where are the 'breackthrough' games that utilise Kinect 2.0. Heck what are the breakthrough applications that utilise Kinect 2.0 beyond "Xbox On".
Microsoft have been playing the "Semantic" game since they announced the XbOne. Every single announcement that has followed has had to be clarified, and clarified again. Now the same thing "semantics".
If you guys can't smell the BS by now, then you only have yourselves to blame when all your data and personal habits gets sold to Walmart.
For once I agree with hime because looking at kinect & XB1 they seem to have be designed hand in hand. The OS features & IR work well to provide a natural user interface with voice and gesture controls if you like that kind of thing.
Kinect for gaming however will probably never really take off until maybe when indie devs start to experiment with it. For now there's nothing *breakthrough* about the kinect for gaming it's just improved over it's predecessor.
ArchangelMike makes a good point initially am sure the other primary use of kinect was for advertising as the data kinect would give advertisers would be huge and MS doesn't look like they are going to stop doing ads anytime soon looking at the X360 and some things they have said recently. However, they can't do it to the extend as they could before as the supposed *required* kinect is now optional so even if you agree to it in the EULA they wouldn't really get any data from you since you don't need kinect plugged in anymore.
I give props for Microsoft not caving and making a Kinect-less SKU. I want to see Kinect becoming an integral part of controller based gaming because there's a lot of potential for innovation in gaming. I would loved at $400 price tag more, but if what PC gamers did with the original Kinect is any indication of what Kinect 2.0 will be on the Xbox One, I think we can expect some very interesting new mechanics introduced with the new Kinect 2.0 for gaming.
Its integral becuase microsoft says so. I would personally give up the kinect if it meant lowering the price tag. But since it isnt gonna happen I'll just deal with it when I pick up an xbox one and Titanfall next year.
I hear people on their reasons for not wanting to buy an Xbox One at launch, but to me it has the most potential of the next generation consoles. I'll tell you why I want one at launch and it probably won't matter to most people for the launch, but it does to me.
I have a family who is spread across the world. We use Skype to communicate and while I was hoping Skype would come to the Xbox 360's Kinect, i understand why it didn't. Everyone in my family is getting an Xbox One so we can talk frequently to each other in the livingroom where it is just much easier to communicate. MS said that group Skype was going to be available at launch for up to 25 participants which will work out for us. My wife exercises alot and wants to do it with her sister and nieces, so they are looking at Zumba fitness and even the P90 programs which will cost a lot less and they plan on Skyping to each other while they work out for motivation. I know of people who go to the same gym and are talking about doing the same thing with the convenience of doing it at home. They'll just unroll their mats in the living room and work out. There's a ton of potential here that will not be available to the PS4. The Xbox One will appeal to a lot more people than the PS4.
We are cable subscribers through Comcast and personally I like what MS is doing with the TV integration. It has tons of potential there for interactive live content, but again we may Skype with friends and family and just watch TV together. I did watch the Halo world championships a few weeks ago and have even watched the presidential debates and thought that this capability to take polled questions, respond, and see instant results was really powerful and compelling. There's also a possibility that MS will partner with cable and satellite companies around the world and offer subsidized Xbox Ones on a 2 year contract for $99 - $199 which will push the Xbox One past the hard core gamers to a much broader audience and with more consoles out there selling services and software developers will find it appealing. MS my even throw in Xbox Live for people on these contracts as part of the deal with the cable companies. Yes MS said they intend to roll out ALL of their Live services world wide so we may see this deal in countries besides the US.
Games... yes all of what I said had little to do with games, but I like the Forza series, Rise looks mildly interesting, and while I'm not a Dead Rising fan, I think I will get it. I was a big Killer Instinct player when it first came out so that's on my list as well. To be honest, yeah its a light launch with nothing spectacular, but to me over the years it has much greater potential than the PS4 simply because it has more usability for the entire family in my household and not just the gamers. I may get a PS4, but to me other than a few of the games, there's just nothing interesting about it and is a modest upgrade over the PS3.