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PS4 & AMD Kaveri APU both feature the Onion+ HSA memory Bus

AMD new Kaveri APU features the same Onion+ Bus found in the PlayStation 4.
So it's pretty safe to say PlayStation 4 APU is Heterogeneous System Architecture.

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grassyknoll3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

It means memory bandwidth can be used far more efficiently than on current consoles / PC. Memory bandwidth is always on a premium when producing high end graphics.

HelpfulGamer3854d ago

What I want to know more is, what does Japanese Developer thinks about the Onion+ HSA memory Bus.

GameNameFame3854d ago

More powerful. Just got more powerful

Ezz20133854d ago

thanx
i read the headline and i was like ...0__0
had no idea wat it meant

UltimateMaster3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

I was watching how this was going to be on next-gen PC hardware.
If the PS4 will have this, then it's even more incredible than b4.

I honestly tough it wasn't coming to consoles.

EverydayGuy3854d ago

This is a little off topic but the true benefit of GDDR5 over DDR3 can be read on the discussion below. It's amazing that next gen hardware from both company's are supporting new top of the line hardware infrastructure.

http://www.techspot.com/com...

P0werVR3854d ago

Finally something!

So..*yaawwwwnnn*...

Hey it does have GDDR5, and some. Ummm, nice implementation of HSA. Oh look, x86 designed cores. Very easy coding and porting.

But this is not the actual PS4 design I see. Must be beefier than the Kaveri.

"So it's pretty safe to say PlayStation 4 APU is Heterogeneous System Architecture."

I don't see why it wasn't safe since APUs are naturally HSA.

Sono4213854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

Didn't understand it either but the term "memory bus" sounds good..

P0werVR3854d ago

^

Yes 30GB/s memory coherency...oops, my mistake!

Angeljuice3853d ago

Master 'chop chop' Onion Head strikes back!!!!

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grassyknoll3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

To Helpful gamer: It means bandwidth is more plentiful & games will be easily to program (less read / write cycles). I imagine almost all developers (Japanese or not) well be very pleased about that.

pyramidshead3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

it's good news, pretty much, if true.

GutZ313854d ago

Theoretically, this shows the lowest amount of computations per second.
These numbers are assuming 4GB's of unified memory. Although the bandwidth doesn't always increase with more memory, in this case, DDR5 can scale... and if you cut your comput times on cores in half, you can indeed add more ram and get better data transfer.
But for now, almost half of the memory is being used for background systems, so in essence this info means very little to us gamers.
All it really means for us is that games wont be downgraded because of memory being used by the operating system.
It means we get fast operating system, as well as games with no compromise.
It means great bandwidth for developers.

MasterCornholio3854d ago

"It means we get fast operating system"

Bingo which means a smoother user interface which i think many PlayStation owners will appreciate.

Because even though i enjoy the simplicity of the XMB, sometimes the UI gets horribly laggy especially when your in the middle of playing a game. But thats more due to the 256MB XDR of system ram than anything else.

P.S I know that the PS3 also has 256 MB of VRAM.

DeadManIV3854d ago

How is half the memory used for background stuff? How do you know this?

GutZ313854d ago

(almost)Half the memory on PS4, being 3.5GBs is used by the operating system, the remaining 4.5GBs of DDR5 are completely used for gaming tasks.
So, as we already know, the PS4 has 8GBs of DDR5, therefor half of 8 would be 4... Do I need to make this any clearer? This is old news about the OS Being rather heavy on the memory.

GutZ313854d ago

I stand corrected.
More than a third of the 8GBs of DDR5 memory is used by the operating system.
The remaining 5GBs of memory are used entirely for games.

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MasterCornholio3854d ago

Yep that's why Sony signed up in the first place.

http://hsafoundation.com/

pyramidshead3854d ago

lol I remember the comment battles here way before the whole Hot Chips symposium event where people were trying their best to convince idiots that MS were a member but Sony wasn't. Good times. The dreams crushed after that date for certain users on here were delicious.

Saigon3854d ago

I am wondering, what supports this finding. Is this just the authors assumption? The link doesn't really give too much detail.

Software_Lover3854d ago

Everything is assumption until unproven on N4G. Its how the blogs work.

Cuzzo633854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

Just google it. this stuff is really old tho. Nobody cares because its not flamebait. But instead how about we let Ubisoft confirm it also

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Or if u want. We can have Mark Cerney explain why what and how.

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

Kayant3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

Yh but it's a good one because the original leaked PS4 devkit with 4GB GDDR5 was using 2 steamroller cores and the first APU to use HSA will be Kaveri which uses GCN & steamroller cpu cores.

As this blogspot shows both are using Onion bus. So it's fair to think PS4 has HSA.

Am not that techy but anyone can see the similarities based on the leaked info which has been mostly true.

Edit - Also add what Cuzzo63 posted and it pretty much confirms it.

http://www.brightsideofnews...

http://www.vgleaks.com/play...

Saigon3854d ago

I am a little surprised at the disagrees I am getting because I was just asking a question. I wanted to know mainly because we have no technical evidence other than hearsay of the PS4 architecture. To be honest I do believe they have some type of HSA adaption, just not certain if it is direct HSA or something Sony configured themselves. Honestly we only have 40 something odd days before release and I am sure the gaming mags and online journalist will start receiving them in the next few weeks, so we should get some clarification.

Cuzzo633854d ago

Well there are tech evidence as I jus posted links. From a well known dev and the creater himself. This stuff has been known since early March I think.

Kayant3854d ago

Sony is also part of the HSA foundation has a Contributor ---> http://hsafoundation.com/

The technical evidence we have is the leaked info which has been proven to be quite accurate as Mark Cenry and The devs porting the Crew like Cuzzo63 pointed out as they have made references to what can be found from the leaked info but yh we just don't know if it's Full HSA are partial. I would think it's full since the early devkits where probably kaveri based going by the leaked stuff and I wouldn't think they will give that up when they moved to Jaguar.

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TemplarDante3854d ago

The PS4s true face is going to show with first party games. Trust them to deliver on all the tech fronts.
Hey I heard that MS shill MrXMedia updated his site with more drivel today. Expect the X-Boner army to try hump the comments section again.

Pancit_Canton3854d ago

LMAO. I just like how Microsoft fans got upgraded to from Xbot to Xboner. What would make the Next generation names for Sony fans?

cell9893854d ago

Sony lambs or Sony illuminati?

t3rrorc3ll3854d ago

Look. You guys are all morons. Xbox one is not more powerful than ps4.

Here's an example why. And is pretty much what mrxmedia does to all you hardcore Xbox fans (I am neither an Xbox or ps4 fan, I am a gaming fan). mrxmedia makes a blog post saying his insider told him this and that. So for example, my insider told me that ps4 outperforms 2 i7 3770k at 4ghz. It's all nonsense and no-one should be believing faceless comments. However devs have stated ps4 is more powerful than Xbox one. The games are showing with more native 1080p games on ps4. It is simple logic that Microsoft would not hide the facts if their console was more powerful, there is no need and it makes no sense from a marketing perspective. You always sell to your strongest point. So please every Xbox only fan remove your tin foil hats and stop listening to no name people like mrxmedia. He is simply setting you up for disappointment. And he may possibly be the greatest troll on the internet suckering you all in

devwan3854d ago

@t3rrorc3ll Maybe? I think it's clear he's having the time of his life stringing along those poor kids with his fantasy stories. I mean, he'd have to be seriously deranged, some kind of obscure medical condition, perhaps he's got multiple personalities living in his head who pop out to inform him of the latest and greatest insider info secrets?

It's much easier to believe he's just an incredibly effective troll riding the wave of his lifetime. I really hope that's the case, it's scary to think that there might be real people out there like him.

M-M3854d ago

How about you guys stop giving MrXMedia attention? He knows he's lying, he just knows that him spreading false information gives him more attention. He knows what he's saying isn't true.

abusador3854d ago

They still waiting for that dgpu and secret sauce bcus some idiot with an insider told them so lololololololololo

SniperControl3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

All covered by a convenient NDA, all was to be revealed to the world on 30th Sep.

Said NDA got conveniently extended by 3 months to December lol

There are some proper dumb xboys out there believing this crap.

pyramidshead3854d ago

Which consequently doesn't make sense as when people get the XB1 at launch some of them will be tearing it to pieces to break it down for the consumers as to what's inside for youtube, tech websites and enthusiast forums. I don't really see how they're going to hide anything or keep anything quiet after launch.

Which leads any logical person to believe that the NDA doesn't even exist unless they delay launching the XB1 until 2014, which doesn't seem likely.

sAVAge_bEaST3854d ago

You mean the DIS*INFO Agent, MisterXmedia??? ah,, the non-sense and tomfoolery of that site.

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Make your next GPU upgrade AMD as these latest-gen Radeon cards receive a special promotion

AMD has long been the best value option if you're looking for a new GPU. Now even their latest Radeon RX 7000 series is getting cheaper.

Father__Merrin2d ago

Best for the money is the Arc cards

just_looken2d ago

In the past yes but last gen amd has gotten cheaper and there new cards are on the horizon making 6k even cheaper.

The arc cards are no longer made by intel but asus/asrock has some the next line battlemage is coming out prices tbd.

Do to the longer software development its always best to go amd over intel if its not to much more money even though intel is a strong gpu i own 2/4 card versions.

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein4d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits4d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot073d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf23d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto3d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot073d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander19723d ago (Edited 3d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek3d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken2d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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Is Driver (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

"Driver was a technical achievement for PS1, a pioneer in cinematic gaming, and an often brutal challenge - TechStomper asks if its brand of 70s car chase antics still holds up."

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PrimeVinister11d ago

The driving holds up, most of everything else does not.

PrimeVinister11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@Shane Kim

Well, I mean the driving physics hold up. The draw distance, police AI, visuals in general etc do not

Cacabunga11d ago

One of my all time favorites on PS1. I spent a summer vacation playing this was so good

isarai11d ago

Sadly youd be hard pressed to find any driving game with better physics these days. But the draw distance really kills it for me

PrimeVinister11d ago

The physics hold up ridiculously well. And the draw distance is a real hurdle at first.

__y2jb11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Nonsense. The physics in any modern game or any 360 game is light years beyond Driver.

Dandizzle11d ago

This game is hard, you will fail and quit

PrimeVinister11d ago

But you will get there eventually... maybe

MatrixxGT11d ago

All in the first two minutes.

jznrpg11d ago

Stop with is it worth it articles. If you want to play a game play the damn game!

anast11d ago

I loved this game awhile back.

Barlos10d ago

Yeah but is it worth reading pointless articles?

__y2jb11d ago

It wasn’t worth playing in the 90’s.

Espangerish11d ago

My thoughts exactly. I bought it at release for full price and got frustrated and bored with it very quickly.

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