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PS4 & AMD Kaveri APU both feature the Onion+ HSA memory Bus

AMD new Kaveri APU features the same Onion+ Bus found in the PlayStation 4.
So it's pretty safe to say PlayStation 4 APU is Heterogeneous System Architecture.

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grassyknoll3846d ago (Edited 3846d ago )

It means memory bandwidth can be used far more efficiently than on current consoles / PC. Memory bandwidth is always on a premium when producing high end graphics.

HelpfulGamer3846d ago

What I want to know more is, what does Japanese Developer thinks about the Onion+ HSA memory Bus.

GameNameFame3845d ago

More powerful. Just got more powerful

Ezz20133845d ago

thanx
i read the headline and i was like ...0__0
had no idea wat it meant

UltimateMaster3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

I was watching how this was going to be on next-gen PC hardware.
If the PS4 will have this, then it's even more incredible than b4.

I honestly tough it wasn't coming to consoles.

EverydayGuy3845d ago

This is a little off topic but the true benefit of GDDR5 over DDR3 can be read on the discussion below. It's amazing that next gen hardware from both company's are supporting new top of the line hardware infrastructure.

http://www.techspot.com/com...

P0werVR3845d ago

Finally something!

So..*yaawwwwnnn*...

Hey it does have GDDR5, and some. Ummm, nice implementation of HSA. Oh look, x86 designed cores. Very easy coding and porting.

But this is not the actual PS4 design I see. Must be beefier than the Kaveri.

"So it's pretty safe to say PlayStation 4 APU is Heterogeneous System Architecture."

I don't see why it wasn't safe since APUs are naturally HSA.

Sono4213845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Didn't understand it either but the term "memory bus" sounds good..

P0werVR3845d ago

^

Yes 30GB/s memory coherency...oops, my mistake!

Angeljuice3844d ago

Master 'chop chop' Onion Head strikes back!!!!

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grassyknoll3846d ago (Edited 3846d ago )

To Helpful gamer: It means bandwidth is more plentiful & games will be easily to program (less read / write cycles). I imagine almost all developers (Japanese or not) well be very pleased about that.

pyramidshead3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

it's good news, pretty much, if true.

GutZ313845d ago

Theoretically, this shows the lowest amount of computations per second.
These numbers are assuming 4GB's of unified memory. Although the bandwidth doesn't always increase with more memory, in this case, DDR5 can scale... and if you cut your comput times on cores in half, you can indeed add more ram and get better data transfer.
But for now, almost half of the memory is being used for background systems, so in essence this info means very little to us gamers.
All it really means for us is that games wont be downgraded because of memory being used by the operating system.
It means we get fast operating system, as well as games with no compromise.
It means great bandwidth for developers.

MasterCornholio3845d ago

"It means we get fast operating system"

Bingo which means a smoother user interface which i think many PlayStation owners will appreciate.

Because even though i enjoy the simplicity of the XMB, sometimes the UI gets horribly laggy especially when your in the middle of playing a game. But thats more due to the 256MB XDR of system ram than anything else.

P.S I know that the PS3 also has 256 MB of VRAM.

DeadManIV3845d ago

How is half the memory used for background stuff? How do you know this?

GutZ313845d ago

(almost)Half the memory on PS4, being 3.5GBs is used by the operating system, the remaining 4.5GBs of DDR5 are completely used for gaming tasks.
So, as we already know, the PS4 has 8GBs of DDR5, therefor half of 8 would be 4... Do I need to make this any clearer? This is old news about the OS Being rather heavy on the memory.

GutZ313845d ago

I stand corrected.
More than a third of the 8GBs of DDR5 memory is used by the operating system.
The remaining 5GBs of memory are used entirely for games.

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MasterCornholio3845d ago

Yep that's why Sony signed up in the first place.

http://hsafoundation.com/

pyramidshead3845d ago

lol I remember the comment battles here way before the whole Hot Chips symposium event where people were trying their best to convince idiots that MS were a member but Sony wasn't. Good times. The dreams crushed after that date for certain users on here were delicious.

Saigon3845d ago

I am wondering, what supports this finding. Is this just the authors assumption? The link doesn't really give too much detail.

Software_Lover3845d ago

Everything is assumption until unproven on N4G. Its how the blogs work.

Cuzzo633845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Just google it. this stuff is really old tho. Nobody cares because its not flamebait. But instead how about we let Ubisoft confirm it also

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Or if u want. We can have Mark Cerney explain why what and how.

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

Kayant3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

Yh but it's a good one because the original leaked PS4 devkit with 4GB GDDR5 was using 2 steamroller cores and the first APU to use HSA will be Kaveri which uses GCN & steamroller cpu cores.

As this blogspot shows both are using Onion bus. So it's fair to think PS4 has HSA.

Am not that techy but anyone can see the similarities based on the leaked info which has been mostly true.

Edit - Also add what Cuzzo63 posted and it pretty much confirms it.

http://www.brightsideofnews...

http://www.vgleaks.com/play...

Saigon3845d ago

I am a little surprised at the disagrees I am getting because I was just asking a question. I wanted to know mainly because we have no technical evidence other than hearsay of the PS4 architecture. To be honest I do believe they have some type of HSA adaption, just not certain if it is direct HSA or something Sony configured themselves. Honestly we only have 40 something odd days before release and I am sure the gaming mags and online journalist will start receiving them in the next few weeks, so we should get some clarification.

Cuzzo633845d ago

Well there are tech evidence as I jus posted links. From a well known dev and the creater himself. This stuff has been known since early March I think.

Kayant3845d ago

Sony is also part of the HSA foundation has a Contributor ---> http://hsafoundation.com/

The technical evidence we have is the leaked info which has been proven to be quite accurate as Mark Cenry and The devs porting the Crew like Cuzzo63 pointed out as they have made references to what can be found from the leaked info but yh we just don't know if it's Full HSA are partial. I would think it's full since the early devkits where probably kaveri based going by the leaked stuff and I wouldn't think they will give that up when they moved to Jaguar.

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TemplarDante3845d ago

The PS4s true face is going to show with first party games. Trust them to deliver on all the tech fronts.
Hey I heard that MS shill MrXMedia updated his site with more drivel today. Expect the X-Boner army to try hump the comments section again.

Pancit_Canton3845d ago

LMAO. I just like how Microsoft fans got upgraded to from Xbot to Xboner. What would make the Next generation names for Sony fans?

cell9893845d ago

Sony lambs or Sony illuminati?

t3rrorc3ll3845d ago

Look. You guys are all morons. Xbox one is not more powerful than ps4.

Here's an example why. And is pretty much what mrxmedia does to all you hardcore Xbox fans (I am neither an Xbox or ps4 fan, I am a gaming fan). mrxmedia makes a blog post saying his insider told him this and that. So for example, my insider told me that ps4 outperforms 2 i7 3770k at 4ghz. It's all nonsense and no-one should be believing faceless comments. However devs have stated ps4 is more powerful than Xbox one. The games are showing with more native 1080p games on ps4. It is simple logic that Microsoft would not hide the facts if their console was more powerful, there is no need and it makes no sense from a marketing perspective. You always sell to your strongest point. So please every Xbox only fan remove your tin foil hats and stop listening to no name people like mrxmedia. He is simply setting you up for disappointment. And he may possibly be the greatest troll on the internet suckering you all in

devwan3845d ago

@t3rrorc3ll Maybe? I think it's clear he's having the time of his life stringing along those poor kids with his fantasy stories. I mean, he'd have to be seriously deranged, some kind of obscure medical condition, perhaps he's got multiple personalities living in his head who pop out to inform him of the latest and greatest insider info secrets?

It's much easier to believe he's just an incredibly effective troll riding the wave of his lifetime. I really hope that's the case, it's scary to think that there might be real people out there like him.

M-M3845d ago

How about you guys stop giving MrXMedia attention? He knows he's lying, he just knows that him spreading false information gives him more attention. He knows what he's saying isn't true.

abusador3845d ago

They still waiting for that dgpu and secret sauce bcus some idiot with an insider told them so lololololololololo

SniperControl3845d ago (Edited 3845d ago )

All covered by a convenient NDA, all was to be revealed to the world on 30th Sep.

Said NDA got conveniently extended by 3 months to December lol

There are some proper dumb xboys out there believing this crap.

pyramidshead3845d ago

Which consequently doesn't make sense as when people get the XB1 at launch some of them will be tearing it to pieces to break it down for the consumers as to what's inside for youtube, tech websites and enthusiast forums. I don't really see how they're going to hide anything or keep anything quiet after launch.

Which leads any logical person to believe that the NDA doesn't even exist unless they delay launching the XB1 until 2014, which doesn't seem likely.

sAVAge_bEaST3845d ago

You mean the DIS*INFO Agent, MisterXmedia??? ah,, the non-sense and tomfoolery of that site.

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Is Driver (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

"Driver was a technical achievement for PS1, a pioneer in cinematic gaming, and an often brutal challenge - TechStomper asks if its brand of 70s car chase antics still holds up."

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PrimeVinister2d ago

The driving holds up, most of everything else does not.

PrimeVinister2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@Shane Kim

Well, I mean the driving physics hold up. The draw distance, police AI, visuals in general etc do not

Cacabunga2d ago

One of my all time favorites on PS1. I spent a summer vacation playing this was so good

isarai2d ago

Sadly youd be hard pressed to find any driving game with better physics these days. But the draw distance really kills it for me

PrimeVinister2d ago

The physics hold up ridiculously well. And the draw distance is a real hurdle at first.

__y2jb2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Nonsense. The physics in any modern game or any 360 game is light years beyond Driver.

Dandizzle2d ago

This game is hard, you will fail and quit

PrimeVinister2d ago

But you will get there eventually... maybe

jznrpg2d ago

Stop with is it worth it articles. If you want to play a game play the damn game!

anast2d ago

I loved this game awhile back.

Barlos1d 22h ago

Yeah but is it worth reading pointless articles?

__y2jb2d ago

It wasn’t worth playing in the 90’s.

Espangerish2d ago

My thoughts exactly. I bought it at release for full price and got frustrated and bored with it very quickly.

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Is Gran Turismo (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

Gran Turismo for PlayStation launched a sub-genre and revolutionised console racing - TechStomper asks is it still worth playing in 2024.

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Terry_B4d ago

Well..you can play it completely offline at least ^^

PrimeVinister4d ago

Something we really miss, just turning on the console and having the game start without signing into stuff

Terry_B4d ago

Fully agreed. That and Splitscreen Modes for Racing games.

PrimeVinister4d ago

@Terry_B I miss having people to splitscreen with, but I can't blame anyone for that :-(

Cacabunga4d ago

Not too late.. we can still change that.

PrimeVinister4d ago

@Cacabunga I will let you in, see ya soon compadre :-P

MrBaskerville3d ago

@Terry_B
GT7 actually has 4 player splitscreen. Which is wild in this day and age.

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TiredGamer4d ago

Good news is that Sony released a final update to Gran Turismo Sport to allow it to function offline. Expecting the same for GT7 at some point in the future.

PrimeVinister4d ago

That is great news, I really liked Sport even if many others did not :-/

Chocoburger4d ago

I'm not big into sim racing, but I got sucked into the hype for this one from magazines back then. I just played arcade mode and that was enough for me to feel like I got my money's worth.

Yeah, it's definitely worth playing today. GT 2 has a few interesting fan made graphical mods when played on an emulator as well.

PrimeVinister4d ago

The arcade mode is underrated, it's a great alternative mode and you can even unlock GT HiFi with it.

Fonsecap4d ago

Cars back then had much more personality then those we see today. Modern cars all about the led lights and the tablet size screens and they all seem alike, back then they could be simpler in design but had tons more personality.

PrimeVinister4d ago

That is something a few people have pointed out - that cars all look the same now. I have to agree that a lot of new vehicles lack personality.

fsfsxii4d ago

You guys are so anti-fun its depressing, like who tf cares about personality of objects like wtf? Just learn to enjoy stuff as is.

PrimeVinister4d ago

It's hardly anti-fun to remark that some objects look nicer than others.

And everyone has their favourite era of cars, I sincerely doubt many will pick the 2020s a few decades from now.

Fonsecap4d ago

Dude, like wft cares about personality of objects? What about art? Paintings are objects and they're considered good or bad if they show or lack personality so I ask, wtf are you talking about? Cars are also considered pieces of art, vintage cars, classic cars, classic bikes and so on. Artists are appreciated by the objects they craft, blacksmiths, painters, engineers, designers, so wtf cares about personality of objects indeed... ( Sorry for my English, it's not my native language)

MrBaskerville3d ago

Talking about cars is fun if you are a car enthusiast. Just saying.

ApocalypseShadow4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That Corvette Stingray to this day is one of the most ferocious whips ever driven. Overpowered against other cars yes. But to drive it and be that close to losing control, but being in command around those curves, just can't be duplicated.

HiFi mode is also something I miss. There should be a mode in today's GT where it's Mano o Mano and the detail and resolution jump full throttle. In today's games, Max Ray Tracing and lighting and textures to make it look even more real..

PrimeVinister4d ago

A modern HiFi mode would be really cool! It would be really interesting to see how real they could go by stripping it all way back.

And Stingray is a solid choice 👌

TiredGamer4d ago

HiFi mode in GT1 was only a stripped down 60 fps mode for one track. Should have been called "Performance Mode" or "High Frame Rate" mode.

PrimeVinister4d ago

@TiredGamer it was only three tracks, but it was still cool

Petebloodyonion4d ago

Not according to Former Playstation president Jim Ryan for he told Time that he doesn't see why anyone would play old games given the advancements in fidelity achieved today.

https://time.com/4804768/pl...

PrimeVinister4d ago

I don't agree with him, but he had a few good points.

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PlayStation 1 Classics Forgotten for One Reason or Another

The original PlayStation library has dozens of classics long since forgotten - TechStomper unearths five of these gems which have been lost to time for one reason or another.

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BlackCountryBob8d ago

Disruptor PS1, a pre Goldeneye console FPS from 1996 (with Command and Conquer type FMV cutscenes) and the first game by a pre Spyro Insomniac Studios directed by Mark Cerny. A good game for its time, and pre Bioshock use of telekinesis type powers. A game sadly almost completely lost to time

PrimeVinister8d ago

I have never even heard of it, so that must be a deep cut. Sounds really interesting and I might dig it out :-)

PrimeVinister8d ago

@Cacabunga A classic, no doubt. But, fondly remembered by many.

Cacabunga8d ago

First one was so good but second one on another level!!!
Still hoping to see a next gen version..

PrimeVinister8d ago

@Cacabunga Yeah, I preferred II for the real-timier combat. I would love to see both remade or remastered.

on_line_forever8d ago

We need to bring back the golden era of ps1 & ps2 .
We need to see quality games developed with alot of passion to make gamers satisfied .
We need to benefit from new AI technology to bring something new to games something like " nemesis systems " that used in shadow of morder and upgrade it to next level

PrimeVinister7d ago

The economics of games has changed a lot since the PS1 and PS2. As much as I would love a return to those days, it's not not at all likely.