Developers Claim Xbox One Much Weaker Than PS4, We Evaluate The Evidence

HH:One of the ongoing debates between the xbox One and PS4 revolves around the expected performance difference between the two consoles -- or lack thereof. According to Edge, developers have privately stated that the PS4 is significantly faster. A console agnostic game can, according to their sources, run at 30 FPS in 1920x1080 on the PS4, but in the mid-20s on the Xbox One, even with a lower 1600x900 target resolution.

[xHeavYx]

I said it before, it all comes down to the games, but having a more powerful console always helps.
If specs didn't count, there would be no need to release new consoles, that said, a great game doesn't have to look like a technical marvel with 10,000 enemies on screen and such(I.E Limbo, Journey

[Hatsune-Miku]

there are these things called system specs that indicates the power of the consoles. if specs didnt mean anything then we wouldnt be over the ps1 era. i dont understand why people cant accept the specs and move on. the ps4 is more powerful than the xbox one.

people who are delusional thinks the xbox one can outperform the ps4 when its not as powerful. reminds me of the sprinters that said they will beat usain bolt in a race but when told by reporters their average times vs usain bolts they scoff and said that doesnt mean anything and in the end they lose to usain bolt.

[MWong]

Well the PS1 & PS2 era were very fun!!!

[alexkoepp]

Remember the 360 was the weaker of the consoles this gen supposedly but the vast majority of mulitplatform titles were better on 360 (though not all)

Also remember the Xbox had the hardware advantage over PS2 but PS2 sold 6 times the units as the xbox

[xHeavYx]

@Alex
Most multiplat games looked better on the 360 because the PS3 was harder to develop for. There are different times now, so those "Remember 15 years ago when..." point sare no longer valid

[tokugawa]

well, if this is true, then we will see a difference in november. no excuses

[Mithan]

Of course specs matter, but to make it sound as big as you guys do, is insane. Obviously, you have no clue how hardware works.

PS: The difference isn't 50% either.

[quenomamen]

Agreed, math never lies. Let me put it like this,
You have two race cars, one with lets say 500 horsepower and one with 550 HP.
Now, 550 more ponies will do you no good if yourdriver and crew suck, BUT if they are good you will always have an advantage over the other team.

So there you have it, yes it will come down to the people making the games to take advantage of the extra power but the same thing goes for the other teamas well. Everybody in denial keeps saying " the games will me made to use the most out of the Xbone " like all Xbone Devs are the smartest and brightest ? Both teams have great World Champion F1drivers and some with a couple of DUIs under their belts.

All things being equal, I'll take the car with extra ponies that just happens to cost $100 less and that's not being sold to me some jive talking salesman who at first told me that the car wouldn't run if I didn't call him everytime I tried to drive it, i couldn't let my friends drive it, or would not run if I disconnected the rear view camera. Then changed his mind completely.

[p0tat0stix]

@xHeavYx

Regardless of the subject at hand, you are absolutely wrong in saying the past is irrelevant.

Past events/trends are absolutely relevant to predictions of future outcomes. They are not the only indicators, but they can't be ignored either.

Each issue that affected the last generation may very well exist in the coming Gen.

[Comnnsence]

This comparion of PS3 vs Xbox 36 really getting annoying. This is the past and commonsense would tell us that some companies learn from their past. Therefore why do you think that Sony place so much emphasis in this generation?????

It's because they learned from all the backlash of the cell chip. It also seems like no one is taking into consideration that the Xbox 360 had a year lead that gave developers enough time to get acclimated with the system. On to the "Xbone", this generation, majority can agree that Microsoft did made the same mistakes that Sony did with the PS3.

Eventhough PS4 do have a better process, it would come down to first party to show their true color of which i chose PS4.

[Pain]

This generation of fanboys are flat out brain dead morons that believe stupid stuff like X1 being stronger then PS4.. we call them "Delusional" they should seek a doctor and get help cuz anyone that thinks a Ford Focus can out perform a Ferrari or in the case of x1 vs ps4 have to be mental or just flat out stupid.

[Gaming101]

Analyzing the evidence? How about waiting for actual games to come out before you make that judgement.

Plus, the only thing left to analyze other than the word of the developers is the specs, which have been analyzed to death. PS4 is more powerful on paper, end of discussion. It will be innovation and exclusives that rule the day, just ask what the PS2 did to the original Xbox.

[mewhy32]

The facts are the facts. The PS4 is the most powerful console ever and there's just no getting around it, deal with it, buy a PS4 and forget the bone.

[mewhy32]

Well if you want to pay 100.00 more for inferior hardware then have at it LOL.

[dmeador]

The only thing that matters is this:
better games/experience>>>be tter graphics.

Guess what the best game to come out in the next year will be? GTAV. Even though lots will come out with better graphics. Thats what I care about, and what about everyone does if they had to choose. Everyone needs to give it a rest on which console is more powerful

[miyamoto]

@ Alex
The SNES can display 256 colors than the Genesis with 64; has Mode 7 scaling, better Sony sound chip than Genesis' Yamaha, had true 3D technology, was released 1 year later than the Genesis..etc etc

The early multi-plats a looked like that on PS3 360 has nothing to do with 360 being weaker. You make no sense at all.

Aside from the fact that PS3 is really hard to develop for M$ has a contract with developers to make PS3 multi-plats "on par" with their version.
They pay developers and publishers for that clause and enforce parity when it comes to graphics and content.
which they are still doing with PS4 and Xbone multi-plats.
Which is really irritating because M$ is "Crabs in a Bucket" company.

[Blaze929]

"According to Edge, (unknown) developers have (privately)..."

lol man, this just won't stop coming back up huh. Seems like developers are saying this more and more lately but really, just blogs milking a very wealthy cow

[Regis]

Who is the developer though thats the question no one ask. If I don't know who said it how can it be a reliable source? Its just developers? Ok who is saying this. To just say developers say this means that they are an uncertified source. Is it that much of a pain to ask for a name? Its hard for me to see if this is true? Yes the PS4 is the better console, however if "dev." say its the better console then the person writing the article can forge the source.

[DigitalRaptor]

"Who is the developer though thats the question no one ask"

You're right, but I'd take a stab at it perhaps being developers who don't want to lose their jobs by exposing their identities, due to video game publishers and their scummy internal politics.

[Eonjay]

Funny thing is, no one, public or privately, has said that the Xbox is more powerful.

[cleft5]

The last time a high up guy openly commented on a system specs or restriction he was fired and demonized, or have you forgotten about Adam Orth. The guy was demonized and fired for stating what turned out to be the truth about the Xbox One. Looking back on it all, his deal with it comment was the least harsh thing that came out of that reveal.

[Gazondaily]

Yeah but tech specs can be very important too.

MS can't rely as heavily on third party games if the difference between the visuals and performance of those games are vastly superior on the PS4.

So now it really needs to bolster it's first party content and we know how they have faltered in that regard as far as quantity of exclusives are concerned.

If the PS4 turns out to be 50% more powerful and the games show that difference, then unless MS pulls off something special, the X1 is in serious trouble. We'll see come November.

[Blaze929]

why can't we see come now? Come June? Come August? Come September?

We haven't "seen" anything that shows the PS4 is 50% more "powerful". You'd think SUCH a big gap would be noticed day 1 with a PS4 game compared to an Xbox One game.

Now the 50% FASTER claim? That could be true, i can't 'see' speed in such a way that I know it's a 50% difference. But power? We would all notice that from day one.

PS4 exclusives will no doubt so that magic and looks like inFamous Second Son will have to be the contestant for judging.

Some will name Killzone Shadow Fall but...come on.

I know I'll get disagrees like I'm some kinda fanboy or something. I really dont care about the cheerleader aspect of this immature site - but I just really want some reasoning with this 50% POWER difference people keep stating as fact now.

[HiddenMission]

@Blaze929

It's not just KZSF it's what were are seeing from inFamous Second Son and Titanfall. Open worlds take more power from the console to to look truly amazing compared to boxed in Multiplayer games.

I know I was at PAX Prime this year and I played XBI titles like Ryse, TitanFall and Killer Instinct and KZSF and even AC4 on PS4 looked better than the exclusives on the XB1.

People who say I'm wrong didn't go to the event or say that how could I tell they weren't side by side...well I say this the booths were right next to each other so yes they were side by side.

Many and do mean many devs have confirmed this and MS has been on PR damage control because of this...so if you think this isn't true you are only really fooling yourself.

[Sevir]

Why can't we see come now? I believe MS has answered that question for you!

Every game on next gen hardware that's been shown so far that is multiplatform has either been the PS4 version or a high end PC representing the Xbox one with an Xbone gamepad.

There has been clear ambiguity from MS where the only games seen running on actual Xbox One hardware has been the Xbox One exclusives... Every EA game including Titan fall that's coming to Xbox one was ran on PC, Just last month at Gamescon the first console demonstration of Battlefield was Demonstrated on A PS4... Dice had no Xbox One version on hand and they showed off PC version of most of their footage...

Assassins creed and Need For Speed, Watch dogs, Fifa... The list goes on...

And please don't behave as if that's not the case, because there hasn't been any Xbox footage of multiplats, the fact is Devs are saying it. And it's getting under people's skins because they believe weaker is negligent, yet No developer making Xbox one games is praising it or putting footage up for comparison, but we have comparisons of PS4 to PC comparisons, watch_digs, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield and even Destiny... So

There's your reason...

It's why people say that November, MS will have to show and prove and hiding won't be an option when both next gen games are gonna be there for technical break downs..

[Kryptix]

I believe this is in some way good for Xbox One purchasers if you are aware of Microsoft's history. They used to mostly rely on 3rd party support because graphically and performance wise, they were more superior to the PS3 versions. And that really gave a lot of console gamers a reason to buy the 360 because of that.

The weaker specs will make Microsoft up their exclusive count even more to match with the PS4 and give people a reason to buy an Xbox One. But if they aren't able to in a short period of time, then they're going to lose a large portion of market share. Honestly, Microsoft are in trouble because Sony are very consistent at releasing AAA exclusives showing the power of the console even in the earliest years. Especially with Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and Media Molecule, all the heavy hitters, developing something right now, Microsoft will face a challenge in a short period of time. The VGAs is going to be crazy...Microsoft better step their game up.

[BallsEye]

@Blaze929

Knowing community on this site, you will get replies saying that Ryse and Forza look last gen and use some prebacked crap (which is a lie btw http://www.nowgamer.com/fea... ) and then they will say indie on ps4 look already better than any XO title that struggles getting 20 fps in 720(which is also a lie).

[colonel179]

It all comes down to SALES, not games. Sadly, developers will look at sales-not performance-to determine whether they should use a console's potential. We all know that Sony will release their exclusives and they will take advantage of every bit of performance of the PS4, and the same will be true for Xbox One. However, Third Party developers don't care about which console is more powerful, but which one sells more. Otherwise, the Wii U wouldn't be struggling when it comes to third party games.

If PS4 sells more than the Xbox One (with a noticeable difference), developers will start making more (and better) games for PS4. There will be more exclusive content, or exclusive (timed?) for PS4. The same could happen if the opposite happens. I

If the difference in sales for the consoles is negligible, then third parties will do what they have been doing for a long time. They will make the game as identical as possible for both consoles and ignore any technological (or even feature) differences.

Sad but true.

[DigitalRaptor]

I agree with many of your points. PS4 is a very approachable and friendly beast that affords developers more mature tools for development and a far quicker turnaround for their games according to several sources. That usually leads to increased profit.

"There will be more exclusive content, or exclusive (timed?) for PS4."

There already is more exclusive content. 21 publishers have signed deals for exclusive content for Sony, many of which will be for PS4. http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

Now a lot of this, based on Sony's track record, will be actual exclusive content, not 30 days of exclusivity on mainstream shooters, so really Sony is already pushing ahead before things have really begun to heat up.

[otherZinc]

I said it before:

If the PS4 were 50% more powerful than the XBOX ONE, the PS4 would have Drive Club working at 1080p "native" @ 60fps. No Excuses!

Writers continue to neglect the "Hot Chips" conference and the presentation M$ gave. Also, what was said by "semiaccurate.com".

I don't want to hear Drive Club has day night cycles. It's easy to do night game, everything can be done in hiding in "vid doc" like darkness. There could be a giant Pink Elephant running in the mountains and we can't see it.

I don't want to hear that Drive Club has "Dynamic Lighting"; Forza 5 has "Dynamic Range Lighting". Same goes for realtime reflections, damage, and effects.

Show me in game, not talk, like Forza 5 1080p "native" 60fps.

[DigitalRaptor]

Go ahead and admit, you don't even understand what's going on in DriveClub, do you?

[Magicite]

I don't want to hear Drive Club has day night cycles. It's easy to do night game, everything can be done in hiding in "vid doc" like darkness. There could be a giant Pink Elephant running in the mountains and we can't see it.

I don't want to hear that Drive Club has "Dynamic Lighting"; Forza 5 has "Dynamic Range Lighting". Same goes for realtime reflections, damage, and effects.

Thats the point, YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR, cos ur an xbot.

[SoulSercher620]

If it's so easy to do day and night cycles why isn't in Forza 5?

[walkincarpet]

I agree with you heavy, but in addition to specs, features count and I'll take the X1 features over PS4 graphics any day. I've been gaming since Atari and do appreciate the graphical upgrades with each new generation, but what has me drooling for this next gen is the game changing innovations that X1 brings. I owned PS3, Wii, and 360 and played mostly on 360 due to the controller and xbox live. This next gen may be the first time I stick to One console...

[Gekko36]

@xHeavYx

Fuckin good point!

I'm surpriused, this is the first amlost balanced article you've written. So forgive me if I sit down and consult my madic eight ball for some reasurrance.

I like your comments and dispare with them in equal measure. It's a bit like Jordan in the UK (topless model). She said that she's like "Marmite" (stuff you put on toast forthe uninitiated), that you either like her or your don't (sort of 50/50). However I think that it's more like, half the country hates her and the other half thinks she belongs on the end of a knife.

[sigfredod]

Good article impartial, but still is obvious that the PS4 is more powerful

[GmIsOnPt360]

LOL obvious

[NatureOfLogic]

"Please wait until release till we see da games. It buys us a little more time to come up with some more spin material." says the average Xbox fanboy. It's funny that the same fanboys bragging about superior multiplats this entire gen no longer think the difference matters, even though the difference will be even greater this time.

[hazardman]

That's because to a real gamer it doesn't matter. Also PS 1st. party dev showed that the PS3 was in fact the more powerful console. Its probably gonna be the same this gen, where devs make multiplats look similar but first party does best job on respective hardware.

[5h4h4b]

Http://funnygasm.com/wp-con...

[Boody-Bandit]

spongebob FTW!

He reminds me of my mother in-law. In that she too has a square @ss. But unlike my mother in-law, I actually like spongebob.

[True_Samurai]

Not really but I'll get it in a year so

[FITgamer]

You just contradicted yourself. If you don't like the PS4 why would you buy it?

[True_Samurai]

^^^ not that interested enough to buy it right away or day one

[Roper316]

is Sony or MS say it I kind of just let it go in one ear and out the other. When Devs say it you know it's true especially when it comes from Multiplat devs.

All's that tells me is to make sure I don't preorder or buy any MP's until there is a big price drop. Why pay top dollar for a game that will be gimped to make it even across all platforms? One dev already said that is what they would do in a article on here last week.

[Death]

It comes from annonymous "devs". Put a name to it and we can see how impartial they are. Kojima praises the systems power and the new Kinect. That is the only named source we have seen. Microsoft released their specs on the entire machine. Playstation fans for whatever reason don't believe these published specs. They claim the eSram is a non-factor. We will see when the games come out.

[boneso82]

Do you realise how much Microsoft is paying Kojima?

Microsoft published specs but how long did it take? in the reveal in may they knew it wasn't as powerful as PS4 and they skirted around the important figures, instead quoting "5 billion transistors" and "the power of the cloud"

You have no idea what eSRAM is or does so why do u put faith in it instead of tried and tested gddr5?

[Roper316]

" Adrian C. (Former People Can Fly) Claims His Dev Friends Claim 50% XB1/PS4 Speed Diff"

That doesn't look anonymous to me and he's from a company that just made the last Gears game so it's not like he's anti MS.

Like I said all's it does for me is to make sure I don't buy any 3rd party multi titles until they have been proven to take full advantage of both systems capabilities or until it's at least in the $30 range.

edit = link

http://n4g.com/news/1349512...

[Death]

I do know what eSram is. I also know that we have never seen GDDR5 used for a CPU. Graphics Double Data Rate version 5 is not intended for CPU's. This is a crutch for the CPU, not an advantage. It does give an edge for the GPU, but that is half the equation. The GPU in the PS4 will be doing calculations for the CPU because of this. This is taking resources away from the GPU since theyare not infinite.

Microsoft and Sony both went to the same manufacturer for their CPU/GPU solution. The issue both had was how to use a unified pool of memory for both. Microsoft went a more complex route with their DDR3/eSram solution. It is capable of more theoretical bandwidth then the PS4's relatively simple GDDR5 solution. It is up to developers to take advantage of the more complex solution just like it was for the Cell.

@Roper
Here it is in context.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Blaze929]

"Do you realise how much Microsoft is paying Kojima? "

This is why you cannot engage in debate with people like @boneso82

[edgeofsins]

Praising system power doesn't mean he is saying it is stronger. He didn't say anything was superior. I don't know if that was your intention.

You forget 3 gigs of RAM is dedicated to the XBox One OS, and why are you talking only about RAM and not the other superior PS4 specs?

[Death]

Not implying he says it's more powerful. At the same time he's not implying it's weaker like many seem to believe. As for other superior specs, the PS4 has a 7800 series derived GPU vs the Xbox One which is closer to a 7700 series. Big plus on the PS4 side, but at the same time if resources of the GPU are being used to help the CPU due to the GDDR5 use, those resources are not unlimited.

[GmIsOnPt360]

difference in appearance is negligible IMHO

[mandf]

only the best developers will show the power of next gen. Both are powerful. Who has the best developers with an actual track record? Those developers will show the actual difference between the two consoles. Just like this gen. if both consoles achieve 1080p as a standard everyone wins from a gamer standard and industry standard seeing as mainstream tv's only go to 1080p.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Power will only matter to internal devs. Multiplatform devs will always make sure their games are capable of running on the lowest common denominator and making them comparable on both platforms to avoid financial disparity and complaints from Sony, MS, and their fans.

But the internal devs are the ones who will be squeezing out all that power, and thus they'll be the ones actually defining the consoles abilities. Looking at Forza 5 and Driveclub, I can pretty much see the difference in capabilities. Both graphics and performance wise.

[strigoi814]

Ill be buying PS4 day one.. But this kind of same topic articles is just so lame to read over and over and over again..well maybe no more interesting ideas to talk about right??

[abusador]

This bs again? We have all seen the fact sheets and most specs, it is a fact ps4 has the stronger tech, smfh. As for the best first party developers that is a no brainer and they are the ones who will push the systems because 3rd party devs are afraid to get Microsoft on their bad side due to money so theyll gimp and develop to the lowest denominator and ps4 gamers will suffer.

[grassyknoll]

Superior multiplatform games were a big factor in buying the 360 in the first place. I really think Microsoft underestimated graphics tech importance for the Xbox One.

[4logpc]

This power debate is just getting so freaking boring. PS4 potentially has more power, is that gonna stop a Halo fan from buying Halo 5. No chance.

Only the very hardcore gamer will care, which is less than 10% of the audience these consoles are aimed at.

Games, games and more games is what it comes down to.

[5h4h4b]

Bro if games, games and games is all that matters then why are the xboys bashing ps4 for influx of indie games. Btw, this is a department where PLAYSTATION excels.

[4logpc]

I have no clue how to answer that considering im not a fanboy.

The game games and more games comment is not saying the amount of games.

If you are picking a console because of all the speculation of one being 50% more powerful, then you are picking it for the wrong reason. Period.

[hazardman]

Why are we still on this topic people,do we have nothing else to talk about?

I mean I didn't buy PS4 because it was more powerful. I bought it because I've had every PS console same with Xbox same with Nintendo... All the extra power and all the other features is just icing on my gaming cake!!!!

[KEEPNITREAL]

@ hazardman
100% agree with you !!! hazardman = real gamer

[Deadpool101]

"Why are we still on this topic people,do we have nothing else to talk about?"

I think it speaks volumes about the next gen launch games that the main conversation point seems to be each system's specs rather than the actual games coming out. I cant say im surprised, neither launch line up has me excited. I will join the next gen a little further down the line this time. I think GTAV and Arkham Origins will fill my time nicely until then.

[Mr_Luke]

I'm happier and happier that i preordered a PS4 ;P I keep saying it and i never get tired of it ;P

[jay2]

If you're going to waist £200 on a CAMERA, then decide from making it mandatory to optional, but they're in the box anyway to hide the console it self is £200-250 not £430's worth, then what do you expect? PS4's hardware is more powerful, it exclusives will show that, MP games will show this in time, I'd love to see what the high (and I don't care what anyone says, kinect has reduced Xbones performance) difference in horse power.

[hazardman]

But how has it weakened its performance? If anything Kinect 2 should run better. If im correct it has its own processors on board so its not taxing xbox one cpu..like original kinect and xb360.

Or maybe you mean it some other way and I'm taking comment out of context. I'm a supporter of both consoles so no fanboy shit here.

[jay2]

The money they spent on on Kinect 2 wasn't spent on the hardware, Sony did spend the extra money on the inners of ps4. RAM, GPU, extra CPU etc.

[hazardman]

Ok ok cool..got it now! I remember reading that the kinect cost more than the console to make, now thats f'ed up!!

Thanks for clarifying..

[FinalomegaS]

wasn't it known fact that the PS3 was also?

So is the PS4, same story over again. I'll get the ps4 first then the XB1 according to funds available.

I think my biggest issue is that i want a bigger tv with more HDMI connections. currently on a 42"... 60" should be great for the office(the office lol wow now doesn't that sound pro)

[Nekroo91]

the ps3 was more powerfull but harder to work with..
the ps4 is more powerfull and its easir to work with than the x1

[GraveLord]

Don't bring the PS3 into this. It's not even a remotely similar situation.

PS4 is not only more powerful this time, but its the easiest to work with.

Xbox One is weaker than PS4 and harder to work with.

[n4rc]

Actually the 360 has the stronger GPU..

Which is exactly what we are talking about now.. Does the stronger GPU mean all 360 games look and run better then all ps3 games?

Yet it somehow means the ps4 will crush x1. Funny how that goes.. Lol

[jmc8888]

Yeah we're going to see a difference, and probably something in the neighborhood of being 2-3x bigger of a difference then 360 held over PS3 on multiplatform games.

Most likely higher res, higher framerate, and more advanced graphics. All for $100 cheaper.

With the 360 vs PS3 difference it was enough that almost every multiplatform game I bought was on the 360.

If I chose to have both consoles this round, it would be PS4 for multiplatform versions.

Last time PS3 was more difficult yet ultimately when properly coded more powerful. The lead platform was the 360.

This time the Xbox One is more difficult and ultimate when properly coded is LESS POWERFUL. Let alone when it isn't properly coded for, which will be MOST times. Oh most of the most will be able to use the ESRAM decently, but very few will extract it to it's full potential...which basically is...get the memory bandwidth back up to where it should've been without the ESRAM+DDR3 combo with the slight advantage of less latency.

So with the ESRAM, it will hurt 99 percent of developers, and 1 percent of developers it will help give them another couple percent effective power.

When you look at the unaltered photos of Ryse it doesn't even look that great graphically and that is basically a game that's been in development a shade less then Half Life 2. So if ANY Xbox One game can bridge the messy gap left in the wake of a console rush job, Ryse is that game.

It's got the longest time in development. This was originally a 360/Kinect1 game and so when the first Xbox One dev kits came in they could focus on things others couldn't for many months...because the game was so far along already.

Let's put this another way, roughly of course. 1.8 TFlops which can actually be made to run games at 1.8 TFlops easily versus 1.3 TFlops which developers have to work painfully hard to do anything from the 0.6-1.3 TFlop range. Basically they get 1/3 memory bandwidth easily, and have to jump through hoops to varying effect to UNLOCK the other 2/3rds.

I'm sure EA/Activision/Ubisoft will be the ones most likely to have the resources to get Xbox One versions closest to theoretical maximum...at least a good portion of the time. But it's everyone else that people have to worry about. If you're a developer that doesn't have the resources, then odds are we're going to see a bunch of games where the memory bandwidth is a major problem.

Think back again to the report of one dev getting CoD:Ghosts getting 90 FPS in a few weeks on the PS4 versus 15 FPS in a few months on Xbox One.

Now this is activision, so THEY are big enough to where they have the best shot, no guarantee, that their games will not be hampered. But what about all the smaller devs who only have a small team?

[jmc8888]

Let's put it yet another way....
PC is most likely to be the lead platform most games...or some sort of PC/PS4 approach. That means developers are targeting what would amount to 2.5-6 TFlops for their games. (I'm only talking 2013-2014...that number will be 20+ TFLops during the generation)

From there they will make some compromises to fit it in the PS4 version at 1.8 TFlops.

Then they'll not only have to cut it down further, but have to do so while also navigating the crazy ESRAM problem. So some devs might need to cut out even MORE then otherwise THOUGHT they would have to.

The worse they are at utilizing the ESRAM, the more they'll have to cut BEYOND the native power differnces between PS4 and Xbox One would normally dictate. So say they thought the power differences meant they needed to cut a 10 down to 8, but because of the ESRAM it might need to be a 6. If a good dev, maybe a 7 or even an 8, but for others a 6 or even lower.

I think 2-3x the 360vsPS3 multiplatform difference is a good rough estimate.

Now does any of this mean one system is vastly beyond the other...no. But it'll definitely be noticeable like how Amiga games were noticeably better than a PC version was.

In a great depression, money matters, and $100 is going to matter, especially when it produces the best console version.

If people will deal with that because they like Halo or whatever so much, more power to you.

[Izzy408]

This.... AGAIN. Can't people just wait til we know the full specs of both systems before talking out of their azz?

[xkevmandc]

they both the same, you will NOT see no Difference Between the to...just like PS3 and 360...

[Kayant]

Much agreed great article.... Am buying the PS4 for it's Sony style variety of genres in exclusives looking at PS2, PS3 first if multi-plats run better that's a plus but it won't kill me if there is no extra optimisation to take advantage of it's extra power. First party, Second party devs are there for that. Also it offers great value with it's price and PS+ being an awesome service. Also love the fact I don't have to pay for a camera I won't use extensively and only multiplayer (excluding F2P) are not behind a paywall because I like to control how I pay my subs.

[BLow]

Well, I guess it will come down to which version you see at the at all the video game shows to find your answer. This gen majority of the games where shown on 360. Nothing made up, I'm not putting the PS3 down, that's just a fact because it was easier to program for and was the best looking version sometimes(NOTICE I SAID SOMETIMES). Wait and see which version they show more at shows and that will tell which one is easier to program for and maybe which version has an extra blade of grass . Is that fair enough to say? All the other stuff, like which is more powerful, I'll let you guys bicker over.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well, we don't know if this 50% difference is even legit yet. Why do these "devs" need to be "anonymous" when Ex dev People can fly stated as such as well as Avalanche studios stating it http://www.edge-online.com/...

John Carmack: http://www.ign.com/articles...

Hideo Kojima: http://www.gamnesia.com/new...

Senior producer Dominic Guay: http://gamingbolt.com/ubiso...

Have stated other wise.

So what devs could possibly be saying these things?

EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Take 2, Bethesda, CD Project Red, Epic Games, Deep Silver.

Most of these companies and their developmental teams are NOT likely candidates due to MS strong relationship with most major third party devs.

Some Japanese devs. Namco Bandai, Capcome, Square Enix, Team Ninja, Konami, From Sofftware, Sega?

Not sure why any of these guys would waste there breath with the statement. Some of these devs are still working with current gen games. Plus other Japanese devs never had plans on releasing there games on 360 so why start now with X1? Especially considering MS has no release date for japan?

The only one I can think of are maybe indies. Some unnamed indies stating the 50% difference? Who knows.

MS respons: “Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

Of course PR response but how was MS suppose to response to these no face, no named devs making these claims?

How come they don't make there selves known? Devs especially Indies have stated MS unfriendliness and spoke down to MS in public PLENTY of times all through out most of the summer.

So why duck and hide stamp "anonymous" on your back? That is if these alleged devs are real.

To add MS games seem to be doing fine. http://segmentnext.com/2013...

Forza is shaping up nicely http://n4g.com/news/1348707... For an "under powered console" their launch games seem to be on par to do the expected next gen thing.

I'm just trying to make sense out of this whole entire thing because many things don't add up.

So far, I'll just chock this up to this http://kotaku.com/about-mic...

[pedrof93]

Edge published the article...Edge has credibility.

Probably because the devs are anonymous that they are speaking the truth.

Have you seen a week ago the dev that stated that Ps4 had 50% more speed? And he correct by saying that he was talking about developing time ? Strange.

Third party devs that show their faces may be restricted by contracts, they can't speak freely about specs.

"Forza is shaping up nicely http://n4g.com/news/1348707... For an "under powered console" their launch games seem to be on par to do the expected next gen thing"

Really ? Have you bother watching some ps4 games lately ?

Does it bother you that Ps4 is more powerfull ?

Why don't you get one ?

By the way have you seen the desperate publicity that Microsoft is trying to get ?

Pennello mention wrong specs performances.
M. Nelson saying that MGSV is a X1 exclusive.
Turn 10 director everytime he opens about his month is to talk about cloud powered A.I ?

"cloud powered A.I" - How impressive can an A.I be on a racing game ? Seriusly ?

You're just denying because you're butt hurt, I'm sorry if I offend you.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Really ? Have you bother watching some ps4 games lately ?"

Yes I've watched the the Killzone MP http://n4g.com/comments/red... I think it looks very impressive. I've stated many times I'm getting both http://n4g.com/comments/red...
Funny you brought up the PS4 when in that statement I wasn't even talking about the PS4 at the time or comparing anything or nothing.

Why you decided to bring that up is beyond me. No I'm not gonna yell fanboy or anything like that.

"Does it bother you that Ps4 is more powerfull ?"

No it doesn't but there's this ambiance here that X1 multiplats games will be crippled compared to PS4. Like I stated before the PS4 will have power advantage. But how much of an advantage realistically?

We'll have to see at launch when the games come out. When we the gamers get our hands on the games

"cloud powered A.I" - How impressive can an A.I be on a racing game ? Seriusly ?

The most typical response here.

Have you played the game?

We will see at launch if all this holds true but forgive me for being excited about for the time being, didn't know it was crime. I'm cautiously optimistic about the whole "cloud" power tech. I'll believe it when I see it.

For some reason you think I think the cloud stuff is 100% real. When all that remains to be seen.

"You're just denying because you're butt hurt, I'm sorry if I offend you."

Am I butt hurt? Your the one getting all defensive here. BTW maybe you didn't read this part of my statement.

"I'm just trying to make sense out of this whole entire thing because many things don't add up."

I'm just trying to make sense out of this whole entire thing. That's all I'm saying here. I have no clue what your talking about.

Care to explain?

Ehh you won't.

[pedrof93]

@Diamond

You defend you favorite product ill defend mine.

You clearly shown your side when you stated:

"So why duck and hide stamp "anonymous" on your back? That is if these alleged devs are real."

This is Edge, a very respected magazine, and not those fantasy websites that stated that Xbox and 2nd gpu and 12 gigs ddr3 ram.

I've misunderstood the sense statement, I assumed that you were downgrading the Ps4 line-up, for that I'm sorry:

"Forza is shaping up nicely http://n4g.com/news/1348707... For an "under powered console" their launch games seem to be on par to do the expected next gen thing"

""cloud powered A.I" - How impressive can an A.I be on a racing game ? Seriusly ?

The most typical response here. "

Nevertheless, I still think that I have a point here.

Also, you didn't answer the integrity of this statement.

"Pennello mention wrong specs performances.
M. Nelson saying that MGSV is a X1 exclusive.
Turn 10 director every time he opens about his month is to talk about cloud powered A.I ?"

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Pedro

"You defend you favorite product ill defend mine."

What? I never bashed the PS4? And never will I don't bash machines that play great games that's just stupid.

"So why duck and hide stamp "anonymous" on your back? That is if these alleged devs are real."

This is Edge, a very respected magazine, and not those fantasy websites that stated that Xbox and 2nd gpu and 12 gigs ddr3 ram."

"I've misunderstood the sense statement, I assumed that you were downgrading the Ps4 line-up, for that I'm sorry:"

Its all good it happens all the time. Unfortunately.

Yeah, the 12 gig DDR 3 thing was all Xbox fanboy fantasy. I hope your not assuming I ran with that despite it sounding great.

Panello mentioning wrong specs I was unaware of this actually, any proof?

Major Nelson claiming MGSV is a X1 exclusive. That could be some PR trick/stunt or MS is wrong. They've had a nack for saying the wrong thing lately that's MS for you. I dunno I'm not worried about it.

Turn 10 mentioning cloud allot. I dunno maybe because Forza 5 will heavily support cloud? Ask Turn 10, Hes the dev not me. Something you shouldn't be concern with none the less.

Consoles release in November we'll see from there.

[sprinterboy]

Sony exclusives will show the difference and maybe squeeze some extra fps out of third party. End of the day Xbone will have great games to play and so will ps4, enjoy the games for your console of choice.

[NewAgeisHere]

The thing is if Xbox had better exclusives it could easily get away with a weaker console, but the fact that Sony has way better exclusives and a stronger console is just too much.....I'm sad to say that Xbox just can't compete with Sony right now.

[Belking]

Can't compete...lol when sony gets it exclusive games to run at 1080P 60fps, and ms doesn't then we can say who can or can't compete.

[MRMagoo123]

what like Ryse and DR3 ?

[Kayant]

^Ahhh this tired statement. Yh like all XB1 excluvise are running 1080p 60fps. On consoles framerate is a choice for devs not a given. Stop this fps BS.

[SoulSercher620]

So now graphics determine the best games? If that was the case Crytek's games would be the highest rated of all time.

[ziggurcat]

news flash:

xbone can't run games at native 1080p...

http://n4g.com/news/1355991...

[byeGollum]

having a better looking game doesn't mean its fun to play.

Crysis 1 on PC was a great looking game, which, supposedly couldnt run on console. As fanboys were spreading that news, crytek announced console versions ^_^

now folks are talking about "powah". . the same developers claiming a difference are the ones who'll crush your fantasies ehehe.

[KYU2130]

I read that EDGE article and got a somewhat different message. Devs said that the PS4 is faster in some ways and the XB1 is faster in others. Overall though the devs are saying the the current configuration of the XB1 is more cumbersome to work with, making the PS4 easier to work with.

this just means that those devs are going to use the PS4 as their main platform when developing.

no i am not a XB1 fan but i do try to stay unbiased and i do carry a large BS meter. And the author is right MS and the EsRam claims are exaggerated BS.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

There you have it folks another article with no proof of anyone talking to a developer at all just made up stuff again.

[jhoward585]

I just wish MS would show some game play footage. quantum break trailer did not show any game play. Sunset Overdrive E3 Teaser did not show any game play. Halo 5 trailer did not show any game play. Ryse: Son of Rome did not show enough single player game play, etc.

My point is, I just need to see more X1 game play footage to compare. So far, Sony has given me more game play footage than MS.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Same here.....QB demo was real time and i want to see more and Sunset Overdrive. More gameplay vids are well over due since Gamescom was the date to reveal alot of things.

[ovnipc]

I want to buy a PS4 but non of the release games I like. DR3 looks great and Titanfall. The only one that looks good on PS4 its KZ. If at least titanfall was coming to ps4 I would buy a PS4 day 1.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

That was a solid read on a hot topic. I found their approach to be even handed and fair to both sides of the argument on power.

[SilentGuard]

MS is in an uphill struggle becuase they chose to develop an underpowered entertainment box with Kinect as the primary focus. Thanks to all the development efforts and money invested in Kinect, MS had to use lower rated and cheaper hardware to remain price competitive. Ironically, they haven't even achieved that.

[90Supra]

"Just wait 'til that NDA expires......you'll see!"

http://i190.photobucket.com...

[ziggurcat]

yes, we'll see exactly how foolish people have been for believing misterx's nonsense.

... and i honestly have not been shown any proof that this alleged NDA even exists.

[mmj]

It's not all about games, price is a huge factor and helped the Xbox 360 compete with PS3 immensely. This generation Microsoft will be at a disadvantage on both price/performance fronts.

[xKugo]

Kind of tired of hearing about this. Really just want to leave the specs argument alone and talk about upcoming games and features, at least until the consoles come out and the tech sites analyze them thoroughly. Then we can argue all we want, but until then can we just talk about the games. i would much rather a fanboy argument about exclusives than yet another spec comparison. Getting old...

[PFFT]

Nothing but BS EDGE articles and BS claims by made up developers.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

It's all a bunch of BS really, Isn't it ? (°_P )

[urwifeminder]

Good for them still getting the bone nice try lol.

[ghostrider32]

All I know is I will boot whoever start a rant about power out of my lobby during my PS4 days.It's getting really annoying.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

Analyzing the evidence? How about waiting for actual games to come out before you make that judgement.

Plus, the only thing left to analyze other than the word of the developers is the specs, which have been analyzed to death. PS4 is more powerful on paper, end of discussion. It will be innovation and exclusives that rule the day, just ask what the PS2 did to the original Xbox.

stronger/faster/tons more bandwidth to main ram(where it really counts,,,theres already devs complaining about the esram being a pain)easier to develop for/and a lot more efficient,8ACE'S 8 queues each,,,, doesnt mean xone is a piece of crap,its just the inferior console,and more expensive

[Droid Control]

The PS4 is more powerful, cheaper, and thanks to Sony, will have more exclusives than xbox. Again.