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PS4 vs. Xbox One comparison comments from devs compiled, most agree PS4 has the edge

We've gathered up a bunch of comments from tweets, interviews and keynotes that compare the PlayStation 4 to the Xbox One.

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UltimateMaster3878d ago

PS4 is that best.
It's for the gamers.

ZHZ903878d ago

Not to mention PS4TW!
It has most of adventeges that real gamers need.

xHeavYx3878d ago

The PS4 was built with developers input, and its main focus is games instead of gimmicks, no doubt Playsation will win at the end

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u got owned3878d ago

Meh! This is getting old.

The PS4 is more powerful. Both are a big leap in technology. Both are great consoles. Just play the games.

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JokesOnYou3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

pffft the headline doesnt even match the content in the article, actually the dev comments are more neutral.

lol, cutting my wrists OK seems like you care awww how sweet. Whats funny is even in an article trying to say that so many devs have said ps4 is more powerful none were committed to it in terms of real world performance. Also these are all OLD qoutes BEFORE micro tweak upgraded GPU and CPU specs. Yep all these comments were discussed awhile ago on n4g. Why no comments from devs since upgrades?

1st Jonathan Blow says he was "told" that there was a extreme performance difference.= The guy hates micro and did not name one solid reference hardly proof.

All the others (John Carmack, a unnamed dev and Avalanche Studio devs/Just Cause) didnt say anything definitive they said raw specs on paper but even further elaborated that performance was very close, even mentioning how great X1 games look in comparison.

Finally Adrian Chmielarz is on record saying his 50% speed comments were related to development time, which he said will of course be improved upon now that micro is done with hardware and have great dev tools.

-Again nowhere have I said in my history of comments or in this comment that X1 is more powerful than ps4, what I've said is I doubt that there will be a significant performance difference based on the specs and X1's eSRAM and now with recent upgrades Im sure of it, I stand by those statements and none of the devs who have DEVELOPED GAMES FOR BOTH have said theres is a significant performance difference in fact the few on record like Carmack and Just Cause devs have actually said they are "very close" or "there are many factors besides raw specs".= I'm sure some will hit disagree but none of the above things I highlighted from devs is my opinion its FACTS.

So hmmm should I believe an industry vet like Carmack or a bunch of fanboys?

Maddens Raiders3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

65 days 'til greatness begins.

DatNJDom813878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Wow....... he really is cutting his wrist.......

2cents3878d ago

@JokesOnYou

You know, I was avoiding reading this article because I suspected that it may be 'cleverly' edited. But I just clicked and read them all and I have to agree with you.

Very professional comments, and very unbiased opinions. I hope that some of this attitude could rub off on more people, its a much nicer way of continuing the never ending gaming debates that we all know and love (or hate).

mewhy323878d ago

Cant dispute the hard facts. The PS4 is the most powerful console ever conceived period. I don't know why people get so upset over that? It's more powerful than the bone but if you still want the bone then fine get one. Just do it knowing that micro$oft is charging you 100.00 more for inferior hardware. But hey, if you're loyal to micro$oft and that fact doesn't matter because you love Halo or something then by all means get the bone.

darthv723878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@madden. and then 7 days later...god takes a break to play the xb1.

lol

Magicite3878d ago

PS4 will be PS2 V2 in terms of success.

QuickdrawMcgraw3878d ago

Joke you are no different then anyone else.You will believe whoever talks up your console of choice.

JokesOnYou3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Quickdraw, NO actually I don't, for example if I did I would be touting the cloud as gaming heaven and the reason X1 is more powerful but Im not. Did you see my comments in reference to the 12gb of ram?, How about the dggpu rumors? lol never believe any of it for a second, WHY because it sounded unreasonable/like wishful thinking and check my history thats what I said then. I'm also careful not to believe the overhype of ANY KIND from either side but at the same time I'm not foolish enough to believe micro is investing tons of money in the cloud if it was useless AND now sony has even done the "me too" type comments in regards to the cloud. So go ahead label me, call me out whatever just call me consistent because for me it's always about reasonable expectations NOT pure belief in a company.

I learned my lesson that most PR is half truths mixed with a lil bit of wishful thinking and a whole lot of "depends on the implementation" in other words nobodys outright lying but high ambitions sometimes just aren't acheivsble..YET. The original Kinect, the cell, bluray are all good examples of this. Some folks always see evil intentions but I really do believe those engineers working tirelessly to bring us this tech to market really have the best intentions and if its yoir "baby" you've work so hard on sometimes for years of course those "theoretical specs", "potential/promises" , "ideas/predictions" become very real to you, unfortunately despite your efforts all that potential may not bear fruit. Maybe next time, but who says the suits are going to continue to fund it?..or maybe it was always just a few engineers/devs/creative directors pipe dream.= Thats why I wait, thats why I TRY not spew misinformation.

I can tell you however X1 does have the games me, my friends, and my family like the most and I won't lose 1min of sleep because ps4 is more powerful because I'll still enjoy my games. Now with that said and ps4 somehow is pulling off games that are simply not possible on X1 then of course I'll be jealous frankly I'm positive that won't happen but regardless its not like if you've ever read my comments that I wont be getting a ps4 at some time or another anyway.

pixelsword3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"So hmmm should I believe an industry vet like Carmack or a bunch of fanboys?"

I appreciate Carmack's contribution to the gaming world, but Carmack isn't the best one for an overall stable comment concerning consoles, since early one he said was against the PS3 before he was for it latter in the console cycle (or am I thinking of Gabe? I think they both did that, though).

He can turn a PC and some code into a masterpiece, and no one can debate that.

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cruncher_203878d ago

Well I LOVE playstation but I tried to keep me critical thinking every time console are compared by dev. Why?

Well if :

They develop exclusively on ps4 they will say ps4 is the best
They develop exclusively on Xbox they will say Xbox is the best

They develop for both... Well they have no interest of choosing one console over the other one and if they do I assume they have personal reason not because of the technology but because of rights, fees, etc which doesn't really affect the player.

NewMonday3878d ago

never came across any developer comment that states the XB1 is more powerful in any way in comparison to the PS4.

cruncher_203878d ago

I didn't say more powerful I said best... best could mean more powerfull but best could also imply : easier to develop on, easier to publish, the partnership is incredible..., implementation with their accessories open tons of possibility, exclusivity, the company approach, online support, etc...

And if you NEVER came across developers... well here an exemple : TURN 10 (forza 5 dev) said that Xbox cloud allowed them to boost AI at 600% which was not possible before...

imt5583878d ago

The multiplatform developers and indie will say that PS4 is better.

vigilante_man3878d ago

We now know PS4 has a bit more under the hood. We do not fully know just how much yet.

This is just a re-hash article. No news here..

cruncher_203878d ago

The multiplatform developers and indie will say that PS4 is better.

That is my f****g point....

Ah... useless ... I like the ps3 and will get a ps4 but people here are just fanboy that don't want any debate...

some Indies will say ps4 is best because sony facilitate the business side but at the end that doesn't really change the experience for the player... multiplatform developers have financial interest when they define "best" but at the end both console will have a similar game...

If you prefer me saying that it is God that put ps4 and ALL indies dev and ALL multi dev prefer ps4 that's your opinion... I prefer Sony but I played multi on different console and don't see much difference and the same thing will happen for ps4 and xboxOne...

NewMonday3877d ago

I said "in comparison to the PS4"

someone in NeoGaf put it beast:

"Originally Posted by IN&OUT

Is X1 a powerful console? Yes, it is.

Is X1 more powerful than PS4? HELL NO

Why X1 is weaker than PS4?

MS designed X1 to be perfectly balanced and powerful according to THEIR vision.

It's just happen to be that Sony was more ambitious (regarding power) and they were able to outdo MS efforts in this area"

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B1663r3878d ago

So with an obvious and clear advantage, it shouldn't take long to see the results. The advantage will be clear day one.

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otherZinc3878d ago

What is the developers name or company that's running their game 1080p "native" @60fps? Also, what next gen console is said game or 1080p "native" 60fps games running on?

XBOX ONE: Forza 5.

Does the PS4 have any?

See, talk is cheap, if the console is most powerful, show it, and stop running your mouth!

devwan3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Calm down otherZinc, no need for shouty ;-)

"1080P" can mean all kinds of things. "1080P native" means 1920x1080. I'm not sure FMS5 is running at that resolution, but we will find out in time.

There are a number of ways to approach screen resolution and refresh vs content detail and there are simple ways to achieve 1080P@60Hz gameplay, basically by keeping things on the simple side, less detail, less post processing, cutting corners and clever tricks that give the appearance of doing more than you are for example with lighting - all good stuff if done wisely as the gamer probably never really notices, but not always possible if you're looking to offer a particular effect (in the instance of lighting that might be day-night cycles).

There's no value in shouting 1080P@60 at people as proof of anything one way or the other. Unless it's the same game running side-by-side on different platforms then at least there's a debate to be had.

Magicite3878d ago

forza 5 is 1080P/60FPS with outdated effects/backgrounds. On PS4 it might be running at 100 FPS then.

AngelicIceDiamond3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

I'm glad the PS4 will be amazing I know it will be. But devs as well as gamers are speaking in theory with performance albeit shoddy details.

Avalanche's Mad Max looks like a maxed out current generation game. I'm having a hard time seeing that game looking "worse on X1 and "prettier on PS4. When that game gets released that will be the trojan Horse of his statement, I will look for differences in performance and if the 50% differnce lives in there game.

EX developer's "People Can Fly" Adrian Chmielarz didn't go into further detail about PS4 being 50% more powerful. Other than his bleak statement. Not only did he not explain his statement he didn't give clues to back his statement, nor where it came from. He kind of came out of no where with it. Sorry, but even some devs aren't credible sources now.

Is he with a different studio creating new a new ip for PS4 and X1? And hes getting 50% better performance when compared to X1?

His comment is not backed by any facts or some sort of hint of evidence.

John Carmack's statement makes better sense as well as Hideo Kojima's http://www.examiner.com/art...

Ubisoft's Senior producer Dominic Guay http://gamingbolt.com/ubiso...

"Of course, the Xbox One isn’t to be counted out. We asked Guay how the Xbox One version of Watch_Dogs would be different compared to the PC and PS4 versions of the game, to which he replied that, “The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D."

This was June 25 when X1 specs were still being finalized and worked on (also assuming PS4 as well.)

It's just funny how the reporter left Hideo Kojima and and Dominic Guay's comment out.

The difference will be in the games and multiplats that get released. Some devs say the PS4 is 50% more powerful while other say in theory it is, while the rest say its equal and around the same performance.

You can't take one piece of info (no matter how shady) and run with it especially if there's devs out there stating other wise.

otherZinc3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@devwan,
@dmitrijs88,

You must have never played Forza, if you have, you would know they've NRVER cut corners!

It is very significant that Forza 5 is running 1080p "native" @60fps; that's massive!

The PS4 can't get Knack to run 1080p "native" @ 60fps. Now, what day/night cycle or lighting tricks are they running in a "cartoon" game that's so stressful?

Forza 5 1080p "native" @ 60fps; that's PC like power with effects on. Now stop your weak attempt at a play on words.

AngelicIceDiamond3878d ago

http://kotaku.com/game-dev-...

Apparently Adrian Chmielarz did elaborate on his post amongst other things related to this.

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ArchangelMike3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... and again. the specs matter less. What the first party studios do with the machines is what is most important. And we all know which of teh two companies has the best first party studios. We also know which of the two know how to maximize their home console to deliver truly amazing games...

JsonHenry3878d ago

It really shouldn't matter in the end. The only people who really care are brand loyalist fanboys. And they won't touch the other system anyway.

So the rest of us will make up our own minds regardless of what it looks like on paper and play the games we enjoy on the platform we choose.

vigilante_man3878d ago

It does matter - sorry to say. And for one reason only.

Last time around developers pimped 360 but gave half-hearted PS3 versions to multi-platform games. Maybe due to the Cell, or MS pressure, or laziness, or just quicker to do that. And most limited games to a single DVD.

Compare this to what PS3 gamers got with 1st party studios and full use of graphics and Bluray disc. They felt a bit short-changed.

This time we have the same CPU and both have 8GB Ram and Bluray drives so multi-platforms should look similar. So it is more important that PS4 is the more powerful so Sony gamers will get at least equal quality games this time.

thetruthx13878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Directx > OpenGL

Xbox controller > dual shock

Xbox One games > Ps4 games

Microsoft budget > Sony's budget

Xbox live infrastructure > PS +

Kinect > Move

:)

Kuse3878d ago

It's unfortunate for you because that guy just gave you a list of facts which are irrefutable. Xbox has better exclusives, better premium services, better value.

Also...do you live on these boards? I see you rage commenting on everything that speaks praise about Xbox One. Go outside...enjoy life.

Utalkin2me3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@Kuse

Read my below post. If you care to give some cold hard facts on why. Just cause someone puts Xbox controller > Ds4 controller, doesn't make it true. Explain to me what makes it better. And again i don't want your opinions, i want facts.

UltimateMaster3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Fine:
FACTS:
PS4 dual shock > Xbox controller
More technology: Touch Pad, Motion Sensors, And a Goddamn built-in battery you DON'T have to pay extra for.

Ps4 games > Xbox games
Killzone Shadow Fall Pre-Orders Outsold Ryse SOR, Titanfall, Forza 5 AND Dead Rising 3 Combined. With just 1 game, check VGchartz

Sony's studios > Microsoft studios
Sony has more studios.

PS + > Xbox live infrastructure
Xbox Live infrastructure is based of windows 8, and ever since the release of windows 8, PC sales has never been this low in 30 years "Ever since it's release"... so you tell me

Average Rating and Reviews Move Enabled Game 8/10 > Any kinect games average of 5/10

ALL of theses are FACTs, they are Tangible, because you can evaluate them with Actual numbers and count them and scale them from one to the other.

xHeavYx3878d ago

@Kuse
So much fail on your comment.
Xbox doesn't have better exclusives, you only say that because you like Xbox more, I like PS more, so PS has better exclusives, see how that works?
Better premium service? Again, that's your opinion, but as far as I know, PS+ runs over Gold, unless of course you can tell me, with facts, where I'm wrong.
Better value? How can a console who is $100 more expensive, yet less powerful, be a better value?

Angeljuice3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@DirtyPimp
I totally agree, but you're arguing with a "Bonehead" (in all senses of the word).

scott1823878d ago

Opinions = facts now, good to know.

Thehyph3878d ago

I had to funny bubble that, DirtyPimp. Oh man.

I'm normally against people arguing, but that was priceless.

hazardman3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Isn't that what its all about tho..our opinions. Sad you can't have one on here because people like you think yours is all that matters!!!

devwan3878d ago

@hazardman Opinions are fine, they're what we want. Opinions stated as facts, not so useful.

andreasx3878d ago

Haha, you're the man pimp!

QuickdrawMcgraw3878d ago

Opinions can also be fact.I think the Dual shock is better the the Xbox controller.A opinion which is a fact :)

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gaelic_laoch3878d ago

You forgot the most important one!

PS4 > XbOne

Now stop sniffing gasoline and come back to reality!

GarrusVakarian3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Sony 1st party devs > MS 1st party devs

DS4 > One controller

PS4 price > Xbox One price

PS plus ("free" games that are actually good) > Xbox live (Old as dirt free games)

PS4 power > Xbox One power

PS4 value > Xbox One value

Sony's reputation of dedication to games and gamers > MS complete lack of support (360)

Oh i also forgot the fact that DEVELOPERS prefer the PS4, im sorry but devs don't lie.

@B-radical
Im talking about the issue of which console is more powerful, not games specifically.

B-radical3878d ago

Yup devs dont lie look how good the new alien game looked...the devs of it never said a word

Volkama3878d ago

"PS4 price > Xbox One price "

This is mathematically incorrect. Just saying...

dannylilley3878d ago

What actually ends up happening > Your dumb assumptions about consoles that have yet to come out

Utalkin2me3878d ago

Well unfortunately your name really doesn't fit your comments. Maybe you should change your name to "MyOpinion". If you would care to elaborate on your opinion and give some nice facts. Then i might change my mind of some of your "opinions".

True_Samurai3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Let's not be bias about it OK? I'm getting X1 but I would punch someone in the face for DD and KZ

ZHZ903878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

You are right about MS's Budget > Sony's Budget but what about the rest...

OpenGl > DirectX (Because OpenGl is better is than DirectX and is also compatible with DirectX)

Dual Shock 4 > Xbox Controller

PS4 Games > Xbox Games (In terms of Quantity and Quality)

PS4 Price > Xbox One Price

PS+ > Xbox Live Infrastructure

Move > Kinect

Power Of PS4 > Power Of Xbox One

PS4 Preoders > Xbox One Preorders

Talent of Sony 1st Party Studios > Talent of MS 1st Party Studios

Sony launching PS4 in nations > MS launching Xbox One in nations (32+ > 13)

About Dedicated Servers for Xbox One > PS4 but in 2014 Gaikai will come and more in USA then PS4 > Xbox One

:)

hazardman3878d ago

Nice list there.. when you say PS+ beats out XBL, do you mean like free games and not everything behind a paywall? Thats true, in terms of most reliable online service I would have to go with XBL.
Things could change next gen but I'm basing this off my experience with both thus far.

Also even with Gaikai. MS will still have a better network of dedicated servers than Sony.

BattleTorn3878d ago

Nice opinion you have there

Tapewurm3878d ago

@ "thetruthx1" and Kuse-

The only facts that are relevant here are that Sony has a sexier, more powerful machine, better 1st party studios, exclusive experiences made by those studios, and ultimately a better vision of where gaming needs to go for the future.

Jury3878d ago

Well said

Better first party studios and more of them and they are given more freedom

Nekroo913878d ago

at xbox presentation xbox showed that the ps4 also supports directx 11.2 and opengl 4.4 does the same thing

controller its a matter of taste, now te dualshock is bigger than the X1 contollers

Ps4 exclusives have won gotys for some reason and not to mention studios like ND are recognized as the best studios in the gaming industry

PS4 better specs , cheaper price

Kinect...oh well at this point i think theres no doubt that the movement recognition still doesent work very well, but the voice recognition is a nice feature indeed

RM-TatoTiburon3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Xbox One Launch Line Up > PS4 Launch Line Up
Sony First Party Studios > Microsoft Fisrt Party Studios
PS4 Specs on Paper > Xbox One Specs on Paper
Xbox Live > PSN+ (Free Games doens't mean best SERVICE)
Kinect > PSEye+Move
Xbox One Features > PS4 Features
Xbox One OS > PS4 OS
Microsoft Cloud Service > Sony Cloud Service
Xbox One Controller > DS4

Tapewurm3878d ago

@RM-Tato....

The launch lineup: is a matter of taste...killzone shadowfall and driveclub alone are better than anything the other system is offering, but that is my opinion.

PSN+ : is an excellent service and value....have never had any connectivity issues with it and the free games are icing on the cake.

Move/Kinect: In my experience of having the Move and Kinect... I honestly have to say that the Move had the best 1 to 1 motion tracking.....could hardly ever get the Kinect to be AS continually accurate as the Move.

Features, Cloud, and OS will be determined after the launch.

Controller: Have always preferred the dual shock...since the days for gran turismo 1...with all it's smooth ergonomic goodness...again...a matter of personal taste.

The better first party studios....well ...we all know that now don't we? :)

robleroy3878d ago

you are very sad or very blind..

Microsoft sadly is known for building not stable products (software and hardware).
But MS is also known for having the best market specialist and tactics.

The first xbox360 was overall the more expensive console (no wifi, no bluray and xbox live needed to play online, RROD) . But they managed to make the public believe otherwise.

The same goes for the windows and office packages.

They are just awesome at selling.

And please do spare me the part that the xbox live service was better then the free PSN service then.

Sony is just known for quality products.
Sony wants the customer to buy their products because of the quality.

MS wants to just make a lot of money in little less time. (right after the launch of the xbox360, they dumped the support for the xbox. The same will go for the xbox360 (RYSE was originaly for the xbox360 ...any exclusive titles lately for the 360???)

MS just does not care about what the customer wants and think of them. (DRM, no second hand game playability ,etc etc)

QuickdrawMcgraw3878d ago

How do we know that the launch line up games are better on one system then another.I have read no reviews and have not played any of the finished launch games yet.And as for the cloud services I have had no experience with those either.So RM could you please tell me what you liked about the Xbox1 launch games.And what you enjoyed most about the Xbox cloud service that has made you chose it over Sony's service.

pyramidshead3878d ago

Lol you're pulling out all the stops on most articles very recently. Probably massive damage control from wanting that dGPU so badly ;o.

Keep going though it makes for a good read of the comment section ;).

Jury3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@thetruth

I see you have one of those ironical usernames

joeorc3878d ago

@thetruthx1

Directx > OpenGL

http://i.imgur.com/GQ60CyZ....

Xbox controller > dual shock

Your Opinion = Not a Fact

Xbox One games > Ps4 games

Your Opinion = Not a Fact

Microsoft budget > Sony's budget

Hey Most Likely This one is true! I will agree with that one.

Xbox live infrastructure > PS +

Your Opinion = Not a Fact

Kinect > Move

funny, which out of the Two is able to be used with First Person Shooter's and Do it well for being accurate? you know the Answer. and its not Kinect or Kinect 2. Pretty Ironic, for a company that built their system core functionality based on a Motion control system, a "what many gamer's call a After thought, and just a copy of the WiiMote" is the best motion control system out of the three for a FPS type game.

Magicite3878d ago

Your logic < Logic of majority of people.

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sigfredod3878d ago

Grabbing my popcorn waiting for all the comments from the people that known that Xbone is better over the developers that actually have the hardware on their hands and are currently using it and working on it

Kuse3878d ago

Article title is misleading, there's like one or two quotes that say the PS4 has an advantage and it's from developers I haven't heard of before, take what you see with a grain of salt.

The differences between the consoles hardware/graphic's won't be as great as many are thinking.

vigilante_man3878d ago

That's just it we do not really know. But we have only heard developers say that PS4 is either easier or more powerful (or both) to develop for. But we have not heard multi-platform developers say XB1 is the more powerful.

Plus Sony have said that PS4 is the most powerful console and MS have been trying to squeeze extra juice (CPU & GPU speed increases) to keep up.

And the specs so far would indicate PS4 has raw power advantage. It has been built for pure gaming. XB1 has been built for gaming and TV and social media, etc. They are both powerful compared to 360/PS3. No real surprises here.

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rlow113h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos11h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos9h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje9h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

Aphrodia1h ago

And what of the rights of the buyer? The ones that purchased this game with hard earned money? They bought a product that is now being changed into a different product. Surely you would stand up for them since you are about "rights"?

Christopher1h ago

***It's not their work to censor. ***

They own the IP. It's theirs too do with as they wish.

***It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score. ***

You got proof of this? And even if this were true, isn't it the developer right to want whatever an ESG score is?

***from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal. ***

Licensed music is always going to get changed unless they can afford to keep paying those fees sadly.

***Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people. ***

You do know in the original that the artwork is extremely pixelated so you can't even tell what it is, right? Shouldn't we then be arguing that they increased the detail of this artwork at all then? Why the remaster? Picasso got it right already with the original.

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Eidolon9h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum12h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum7h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola6h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum6h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

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Aphrodia1h ago

And Lara Croft is also a mass murderer everywhere she goes. Why didn't they patch that out as well? See, anyone can spew pedantic BS.

CrimsonWing6959m ago

How is it not censorship? They are removing suggestive content due to not wanting to offend SJWs and woke people. They literally removed something already in the game that nobody even thought twice about just like a movie on cable television is edited for content… y’know, like literally removing scenes because of not wanting to offend a public audience? How is this different?

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SimpleDad8h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola6h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

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Christopher1h ago

Have fun falling off that cliff at the end of the slippery slope.

CobraKai8h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Christopher1h ago

Just FYI, every game has that right.

Killer2020UK7h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh7h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

Christopher1h ago

My thinking is that the original artworks might be community created.

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