Xbox One has a balanced architecture, less bottlenecks - Penello

Microsoft director of product planning, Albert Penello, has revealed some details on the Xbox One.

[allformats]

I expect him to say nothing else. It's their box after all. His job depends on its success. But let's be clear, Xbox One's specs and architecture comes nowhere close to that of the mighty PS4.

Let's just be frank here. MS is trying and that's a good thing, but we all know PS4 is far superior.

[slimeybrainboy]

All I would say to that is simply look at the games, do they look 40% better on PS4? Does it look nowhere close to the mighty PS4? No. They look the same.

This next generation is going to be the same as this one. Halo will look great, Uncharted will look great. I don't think the graphical power is even that important. The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3.

[user7402931]

i would say the ps4 will have better textures, framerate, and better graphics in all games but thats about it.

[grassyknoll]

No one knows, we've barely seen any games running on Xbox One!

[Kakashi Hatake]

They're launch games. It's not gonna look 40 percent better. Xbox fans have to come to terms that Sony simply has better graphics than MS machine. Just accept it and move on. This "they're the same" rhetoric is making you guys look bad.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

"The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3."

While I get what you're saying, all that detail and design is capable because of the power of the PS3, in combination with the art direction of course.

[sparta76]

@ slimey
" The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3."
Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah ok.
Use your brain boy.

[malokevi]

Last generation people droned on about how the Cell was more powerful... how did that turn out?

Nobody cared, that's how.

[ThanatosDMC]

^Still havent seen a game from the 360 that's come close to Uncharted 2.

[Gazondaily]

@Slimey

Precisely. It's all about the games.

Look at Titanfall- it isn't exactly the most visually appealing of the next-gen titles (in terms of raw visuals anyway) but the gameplay is what has many people excited for it.

This is a brilliant interview and Penello tackles the questions head-on. Especially regarding the old policies and MS' lack of communication.

[jetlian]

360 was more powerful overall. sony fans have been on a crusade on crysis,rage and gears for years! uncharted has good art direction but better than those 3 heck no

listen to 1:50 to 2:01 from carmack!

http://kotaku.com/john-carm...

[mewhy32]

It's a no brainer. This guys going to promote the bone no matter what LOL. The facts remain that the bone is hugely inferior to the PS4. The superiority of the PS4 will become more and more prevalent and you get all that power for 100.00 less than the pitiful bone.

[LordDhampire]

I agreed with the first paragraph then I started laughing when you said halo and compared it to uncharted....halo looks like garbage compared to any naughtydog game...

man honestly thinking 360 games compare to ps3 exclusives is deliutional, thats as bad as sony fan boys saying like all game what run on the unreal engine don't run better on 360

its just fanboy logic

[ConsoleAgnostic]

You hit it right on the nail man...the only real losers in this console war...is going to be the fanboys. People have to understand, that you need to want both systems to succeed. The only way games will get better and companies continue to innovate, is to have competition...I'm a gamer...if a game is entertaining and innovative...I will play it...regardless of what system it's on. People need to stop hating on everyone and everything about the systems...and just appreciate these games that we are all going to get to play very shortly....this is a gaming community is it not?

[malokevi]

"of course he's going to support the product"

uhh.... yeah? and? Why shouldn't he?

Can you come up with any objectively negative aspect of the console? Because I can't think of anything. Why should the people who have been pouring their efforts into it come out against it? Why should anybody?

[corvusmd]

Well said slimey...like Albert said so himself, most of the people here on these sites just spit out random specs and don't know what they mean, and he admits that the guys at MS aren't Sony engineers so they can't comment on PS4 power, but if you look at the games, nothing on PS4 looks better than on XB1. It appears that the two systems have different approaches to the same end. PS4 puts a huge burden on a more powerful GPU, MS spreads it out on a GPU with better latency a dedicated sound card and better/more efficient processing. The results are virtually the same. Anyone saying that PS4 is 40% more powerful is obviously stuck on a narrow view of paper specs. The part that pushes me over onto the XB1 side for now is the exclusives and the MUCH MUCH better network.

[JokesOnYou]

Yeah allformats we know hes going to praise his platform but was there anything inherently wrong with he said, X1 is heavily customized and the strength of the platform is how it all works together....is that wrong, do you have something that DEMONSTRATES X1 is nowhere close to ps4?

HINT: Launch games won't help your case.

[quenomamen]

First 2 years of games will look the same, after real Devs start to take advantage of the hardware, the differences will become aparant. No first year games take advantage of the hardware no matter how powerful.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

malokevi: My 2 negatives on the box are

1) Price compared to the competition. Yes, you get the Kinect 2.0 camera so there is added value but I'm not so sure the every day consumer is thinking that deep about it.

2) Microsoft has too many "features" behind the XBL Gold pay wall. They need to offer more services for just owning the system. Some people just want some of the apps and couldn't care less about multiplayer. They seem to pigeon hole all their customers into a one size fits all.

I'm liking everything else I'm seeing.

[SegaSaturn669]

The visuals are important, but it's the behind the scenes physical environment computation that is really stacked in Sony's favour here.

We can probably expect less load time and a smoother gameplay experience in general on PS4. But who really knows.

[malokevi]

@giantcrab

Fair enough. But I would rebut:

1) I don't think this can count as a negative. In it's own right, the Xbox One is (I would argue) great value for the price. I've never bought anything that does so much for so little cash. The price tag says nothing about the console itself, other than that it's a high-end gaming machine.

2) Possibly true, but you have to remember that XBL is Microsofts online service, and that anything dependent on a connection is fair game. It costs them money every time someone hooks into their servers, so it just seems... logical. In any case, for a console that began as an online-only device, it would be foolish for anyone to buy the console and opt out of Xbox Live. It really makes no sense. It's akin to forfeiting more than half the value of your purchase.

Like MS famously said, "there are alternatives for people without a connection: Xbox360"

Now, obviously the logical alternative is PS4. But still. Xbox One might as well be considered a subscription console. That's how I see it.

[windblowsagain]

Tell me. I'm interested.

What games have you seen(multiplats) running side by side on PS4 & XBOXONE.

What? None!

All multiplats have only been shown running on PS4 hardware.

Assassins Creed
Need for speed
Watch dogs
The crew

Please link me to a game that is running on xboxone hardware and not a Nvidia PC.

[tokugawa]

allformats.. are you the new the account of dedicatedtogamers by anychance????

because the resemblance in actions and the writing is uncanny.

[Chevalier]

So The Last of Us didn't look good because of the PS3's power?! Then what on the 360 compares then? By that reasoning 360 games could be made better with simple attention to detail and design then. So where's the game that is just as good as The Last Of Us then? Surely after 7 years 360 has something that looks and plays just as good?

[Ittoryu]

"The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game." As their exclusives I would say that does show the power of PS3 because neither the last of us or Rain would look as good on 360. I have both 360 and PS3 while I played my 360 way more this gen games do and have just looked better on PS3.

[Indo]

It takes time to fully harness a new console. Compare Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, big difference when you got more time to mess around and optimize a game engine for the console you now know more of.

[P0werVR]

^^^

Yes, but this time it is very different. Given in how much the gaming industry has come so far. Tools now are readily available and common among most developers now a days, especially development techniques.

The disparity in development have truly shrunk and they should now access the full capabilities of the console now given the new APIs, Middlewares and tools.

If anything, Microsoft has revealed more than enough and going by what I've come across so far, along with the Azure platform they'll have great tools. Sony has been very low keyed though, hope it's for good reason because we're near release date and if we reach by that time without anything...well, shows they didn't have anything to show.

[frostypants]

@slimeybrainboy: sorry man, but Halo looked like garbage compared to Uncharted. Are you sue you actually played both games?

[GraveLord]

What the hell are you talking about? We haven't seen the games compared yet lmfao. We haven't even seen final code from any single game on any next-gen console.

Slimey, how exactly would a game looking 40% better look for you? You're taking this numbers thing way too literally. A 40% GPU power advantage doesn't translate into 40% better graphics, there's no way to measure "graphics".

A 40% GPU advantage would translate into either:
a)More stable framerate on PS4 with equal resolution and special effects on both consoles.
b)Equal framerate on bot consoles with PS4 version having higher view distance, higher-res testures, special effects or whatever. It's up to the devs and it will vary from game to game.

We're not even talking about the PS4s RAM advantage yet as that is even harder to measure.

[Eonjay]

How can anything that he actually said in this article be translated into "less bottlenecks". The title is completely misleading. Also, he actually affirms that the PS4 does in fact have more horsepower:

"Sony’s doing things in their hardware to make it best that they can. We’re doing things to our hardware to make it the best that we can. I don’t believe the difference between these systems will be as significant as comparing individual components. How is it that a 400 HP Porsche can be faster than a 700 HP Corvette?” — Overall it’s balance and trade offs and it’ll come down to the games,”

[mewhy32]

well you know it's got less bottlenecks than the 360 and ps3 but compared to the PS4 the bone looks like an 80's VCR with the computing power of a calculator.

[nukeitall]

Frankly I could care less really about specifications. If I wanted top of the line performance and graphics up the wazoo, I would buy PC!

Since I don't have odd benchmark to make me feel better, like best graphics ON console and such, I just pick a platform due to preference and ease of access.

You people can talk about specs all day long just like last generation with the power of the cell but let's face it. Unless the difference is by magnitude, you are not going to notice.

Just like how the Wii U is twice as powerful as the PS3, yet the games don't look that much difference.

As the computing power increases, there are diminishing returns.

That is why, I just care about the games and the platform.

Really looking forward to Ryse and shortly after Titanfalls, Project Spark and Quantum Break.

I don't see any games I care about on PS4 except for maybe KillZone. I don't care about indie games, that exist on my tablet, Xbox 360, PS3 and a myriad of other Android/iOS devices.

So whatever power or specs, you give me, I don't care. Give me a platform I want to use that includes games, and other forms of entertainment (really loved Netflix all these years).

[LostDjinn]

If you actually want to cut the crap just have fanboys, PR reps, bloggers, etc point out where these bottlenecks are on the PS4 as opposed to the xbone.

You'll be met with silence. The xbone has far more bottlenecks built into it. He'll let's see someone try (straight-faced) to explain it. If they do I'll be back to post again (coz it's going to be that much fun).

Edit: Seriously.

[negative]

lol @ you fanboys...... good times.

[LostDjinn]

Haha. What did I tell you?
Negative shows up to complain but doesn't actually post anything about bottlenecks.

You're right negative. Fanboys are fun.

@ ShowanW. LOL what?! Do you know what a bottleneck is? Only the GPUs are different? Have you taken a blow to the head?

What you've just written is...Oh. I checked your history. I understand now.

Thank you for the laugh though.

[ShowanW]

neither system will have bottlenecks (not in the first 2-3yrs or so at least. Sony and Microsoft took different paths to achieve this goal.

SO you are wrong. Sony has a better GPU and after that... well it's even...

It's all about the exclusives and features (outside of gaming features)...

[IcicleTrepan]

Neither group are qualified engineers and shouldn't comment as such.

[LostDjinn]

So not only can you not do it IcicleTrepan, now you want to take away the right of people to speak? It's damaged your agenda that badly?

Hahaha. Thank you so much. That was awesome.

Edit: For edits and such.

[vigilante_man]

I do believe the XB1 has more bottlenecks. The PS4 has gone with a unified approach whereas the XB1 has gone for the ESRAM.

Mark Cerny already stated that they could of added an ESRAM to PS4 with up to 5 times more speed at PEAK times but the trade off and bottlenecks meant a very fast unified approach was much simpler and better overall.

Just PR. Wish they would just concentrate on their own system. You only truly know your own system at the moment.

[Kleptic]

'bottleneck' is largely a PC term that gets thrown around too often...its not something most console people really consider...In PC gaming, most bottlenecks occur on the cpu side, largely due to the OS footprint and how RIDICULOUS it is compared to a dedicated gaming console...

but...there is no question that this article points towards fair PR on MS's part...its just gets twisted out of context within a community teaming with fanboys that have no idea what any of this even means...

I've been a console fan the entire last generation...it was the only generation i skipped PC gaming the entire time...but...even as someone with a preference towards Sony's hardware over the years, NO ONE can argue against the truth with the upcoming console specs...

the cpu's are weak...no other way to say it...These are low power cores originally penned out for business notebooks and possibly even tablets...the other thread has everyone arguing over a tiny clock increase to the xbox one's cpu...with no one really accepting that these cpu's have more in common with a smart phone than any form of dedicated gaming machine...

and, at least in PC gaming, bottlenecks occur almost always in one direction...its an issue with maxing out a cpu's load with a powerful gpu...the cpu is getting the base line instructions, and managing the low priority processing of backround information...the 'important' work is routed to the gpu for rendering...If the cpu can't deal the instructions back to the gpu fast enough, the game crawls just as it would with an underpowered gpu...you can take a $1000 gpu, literally, and match it up with something similar to what these consoles are going to have cpu wise...and watch games chug at 30fps or even lower...its a game by game basis and multiplayer games are notoriously hard on cpus...but just look at BF4, one of the bar none absolute best scaling, cpu wise, game engines around...and compromises are already being made to get it to run on next gen consoles...take a weak CPU and ANY gpu...and play planet side 2...you can max the settings, or reduce them all the way to 'very low'...won't change a thing...when shit hits the fan that game is dropping to 15fps guaranteed...

Sony, on paper, has a significantly more powerful GPU than the xbox one...but a nearly identically weak cpu...if anything, with the trend of modern game design, the PS4 is the design with the potential for maxed out cpu...creating a bottleneck...and since the xbox one's gpu may not be capable of overloading the cpu...it won't 'bottleneck' as readily as the ps4, at least on paper...keeping what this dude said completely in line...

and this means...nothing...the two systems will be identical...if the cpu is the weakest link of the new consoles, and identical between them, neither is going to perform noticeably better in any real sense...they may find clever ways to make the ps4's gpu do some directx 11.1 type stuff and off load some low priority stuff to the gpu...but the reality is...all these crazed ps4 guys are in for a truly rude awakening when 99% of titles released are nearly identical...just as it is now...

[dantesparda]

Sony had a alternative that had 128-bit GDDR5 that had 88GB/s of bandwidth (higher than X1's 68GB) and eDRAM running at 1000GB/s (way higher than X1's eSRAM) and intsead went with the 256-bit GDDR5 176GB/s design because they knew that not only would it be easier to program for (have less bottlenecks) but also be more powerful

[nosferatuzodd]

dont tell them that cloud lol and the overclocking of their CPU its now on par lol

[tuglu_pati]

Its not on par, PS4's specs still clearly better on paper, but the X1 is much closer that everyone thought. Still PS4 will have the advantage on graphics because the GPU still more powerful than the X1.

[Silver360]

It is the same base cpu as ps4. So maximum for both is 2.7Ghz. The cpu on X1 is not overclocked. It wont be overclocked until it goes faster than recommended specs.

[Animal Mutha 76]

I think you might have a bit of a shock coming.

I'm not being fanboy but your expectations of both consoles might need adjustment by the time they launch.

No need to talk PS4 and bash xbox in an xbox article either. There are plenty of PS4 articles for you to do that.

Both systems are going to surprise us and be great for gaming.

[YNWA96]

Allformats, the way you just described the almighty PS4, now I can only imagine the Monolith from 2001 on prehistoric earth with the classical music banging!! Awesome!

[NextGen24Gamer]

That makes sense if you really "PAUSE" and think about the facts....

Microsoft pays AMD 1.2 BILLION dollars more than Sony(Just about 2 times what Sony paid)to make the Xbox One 40% less powerful than the PS4.

40% more power is so incredible and obvious, that every game shown to date for the ps4 blows the xbox one games out the water graphically.

Which also explains why the ps4 dominated all the awards at E3.

Sarcasm for the intellectually challenged

It doesn't take a smart person to see that there is more to this picture than meets the eye. Some things don't add up with the the facts that we have been given up to this point.

[DoesUs]

Yeah, sarcasm aside.....MS paid more for less. Though they did get some hoops to run through.

[pyramidshead]

You might wanna re-read your own fanboy conspiracy site, Microsoft did not give AMD billions.

"Misterx: So, MS gave AMD billions and not allowed to talk about what they spend thouse billions for? That also means PS4 will have similar hardware I.e >1.8TF...and how could MS be not the first served with AMD?

Or is it all because of Intel-AMD x86 agreements? So who blocked MS
from speak? That is only related to APU or it is x86 inside dGPU too?
****Insider: Sorry but ms did not give AMD billions.. You are miss informed..****"

[SniperControl]

@elite

Just like the duel GPU set-up kicking out at 5 teraflops right.

Sarcasm for the mentally challenged.

[windblowsagain]

Elite you seriously need to understand what is going on.

MS hardware is for TV and some gaming.

If a game is running at the same rez, assets, on both PS4/XBOX.

If xbox was getting 30fps.

The PS4 would be getting 50+

[ziggurcat]

@ elite:

That's funny because you've not presented a single fact.

[shinrock]

NO WE DON'T.

[strifeblade]

Sony comes out and says "we are the best out there, ourgraphics are the best!"

Sony fanboy reaction: There we have it folks this gen is over before it even began- sony won sony's the best in everything sony just confirmed that as facts folks.

Microsoft: Hey guys we dont have any bottlenecks --cut--

Fanboys- SHUT THE **** UP- YOU LIE. How are we to believe you? Your only saying that cuz u are selling it!

LOL THE HYPOCRASY. Stay classy fanboys.

[nukeitall]

As Penello said, the games will show and so far, Xbox One are getting dedicated server on every multiplayer game revealed so far and Titanfalls is looking fantastic.

I can't say that about the competition, and until they do, I will use the Xbox One more.

[sashimi]

Yeah and Microsoft also came out and said the X1 is built around Kinect so it is 100% required and looked what happened there. Plus what about the DRM? Everything has to be installed and checked once every 24hours, they can't just flip a switch and fix it. Well guess what buddy they did, so how can we just trust Microsoft at their words when all they've done is say one thing and did the other?

While Sony's statement is based on hardware! its a fact they have the superior and the talent to push their hardware so whats so unbelievable about that?

So what hypocrisy do you speak of? or do you truly believe that what Microsoft say and what Sony says hold the same value. Or do you really have the confidence to say that what Microsoft says is indeed true 100% and if so compared to what? less bottleneck to the aging PS360 hardware?PC?PS4?WiiU?

Also nukeitall stop pretending you'll ever touch a PS hardware geez.

[southernbanana]

HMMMM

[southernbanana]

@allformats You make me so glad I have both consoles pre-ordered because I would hate to live a life full of disdain toward a piece of plastic and electronic circuitry.

[insomnium2]

No it's disdain towards the way MS wanted to control/restrict gamers.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Formats quit wasting your time and say "I hate Xbox" and be quiet.

But then again you don't know what your talking about. So your in it for the bubbles because the rest of this site don't know what they're talking about also.

[MazzingerZ]

Don't waste energy, soon consoles are out and the truth won't be possible to hide with PR talking

[Godz Kastro]

allformats... your sipping the juice bro. Fall back

[Godz Kastro]

@Kashaki

They need to look 40% because as PS4 gets better so will X1. You will see no big differences this gen just like the last. Will come down to exclusives and entertainment.

[dantesparda]

"Xbox One has a balanced architecture, less bottlenecks", how the f*ck does Penello know? Bullcrap!

[wtopez]

No where close? Far superior? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[joefrost00]

funny cause when Mark Carney says things like this
Where is the he suppose to say that attitude then
What makes you sony sound so stupid is you are falling for the same thing you did back in 2005

[Jazz4108]

But you worship that cerny guy like hes god and has no attachment to sony. Doublesided. Cerny was on here for months campaiganibg for his product but if ms does it they are liars and will say anything to sell there products. One thing sony cant lie about is there financial situatio and ms just purchased nokia for what sony total worth is close to. You make money by selling products people want. Do you know apple would not exist today if not for ms. They are not all bad of a company and have alot of people there that are passionate gamers. I agree and believe they will start listening to them now. Im just glad ms made there mistakes before the product was even assembled. The same cant be said of sony who took almost the whole gen to get gamers to trust them and staryes this for the gamers bs and michael after they werw going to go bankrupt id ps4 flops. Sony had no choice it was kiss butt or close.

[NewZealander]

nice try but we know nothing until there has been a full teardown or at least FULL specs for both consoles revealed.

so to be frank unless you work for either company and meet the pay grade to have the full info then its just more speculation.

i can only imagine the back peddling thats going to happen if you are wrong.

[strigoi814]

Why do they have to explain a lot to convince themselves??

[Empire X]

I have been thinking that same thing. I want to see the thing at work not hear about it.

[alb1899]

is an interview so they have to respond what other ask?
If in every interview there is a question about that, then what can they do?

[ThanatosDMC]

You make a good point. I havent even seen tech demoes of it's capabilities unlike the PS4 tech demoes.

[Gazondaily]

What's he supposed to do when someone asks him a question? Sit there and mime?

[badkolo]

well this tells me there is no hidden 2nd gpu and its less powerful but optimized

[thetruthx1]

Microsoft is under a very strict NDA until 9/29 :) and this same guy already said the one that appears "weaker" will be the more powerful

They are saying the Xbox One has 5 co processors dedicated to graphics alone that will make up the difference ;)

I haven't seen any graphical advantage from Ps4 games yet and I'm betting we won't

[n4rc]

That's just it...

People around here seem to think CPU+GPU+ram is all there is and that's all that matters... There is so much more to it then that.. even within those 3 components, they focus on clock speed and are oblivious to anything else about it

Everything weve seen thus far shows no real glaring differences.. Developers will decide what looks and runs thr best, not hardware specs

[moparful99]

Stop it with this NDA nonsense.. DO you want everyone to sit here and honestly believe that a company as big and powerful as Microsoft is being gagged by a graphics card manufacturer? Especially if we are to believe that Microsoft paid this same company over a billion dollars..

Microsoft would not allow themselves to be gagged in such close proximity to release especially after the tough road they've had since the reveal this past spring..

[ziggurcat]

"They are saying the Xbox One has 5 co processors dedicated to graphics alone that will make up the difference"

No they haven't. There's been one person. One, delusional person saying it, who has been wrong about everything.

And can you even provide any evidence that such a NDA even exists, or are you just going by the ramblings of an idiot? Because it's pure nonsense that MS would be barred from talking about their own specs, let alone being blocked by Sony from disseminating their own dev kits to devs (as you've foolishly suggested in another comment thread).

Also, xbone doesn't appear weaker, it actually is weaker.

[IcicleTrepan]

I'm getting both consoles day one, and I do prefer the Xbox One over the PS4 but there's no hidden 2nd GPU. PS4 is more powerful on paper. I don't really think it's going to make much difference in the long run between the two, just like this gen. But either way I'm covered in any case since I'll have both. People need to relax, but the 2nd GPU is obviously not true.

[vigilante_man]

He just admitted the XB1 does not have the raw power that the PS4 does. This means there is no extra GPU in the XB1 as rumoured a few days ago.

He all but reiterated the Microsoft stance that specs are the most important thing. He is right to a point. It does depend on how you use the technology at hand and also the quality of the games.

We all know the quality of Sony studios from the PS3, lets see what both can produce this time!

Edit:* Greenpowerz
"LMAO
Dual GPU in XB1 is under NDA. XB1's CPU is already more powerful than PS4's and XB1 has more RAM bandwidth."

please keep response to comments in comments section. If you wish to discuss anything other than topic at hand, I'll be more than happy to!

[tuglu_pati]

Anyone thinking the X1 has dual GPU is setting them self to disappointment. Maybe there are some components on the GPU which they cant talk about and may close the gap between the two consoles, but hoping for some secret sauce that is gonna boost the X1 over the PS4 is not gonna happen. Just be real people.

Off Topic,

Have anyone noticed mods have been doing a great job cleaning this threads lately. Props to N4g.

[vigilante_man]

I agree.

The XB1 does have faster CPU based on what we know - the same CPU but at a faster rate 1.75Ghz PS4 has 1.6Ghz.

But a much stronger GPU of PS4 still gives quite a bit more power based on what we know so far.

MS would not raise CPU to 1.75Ghz and GPU to 0.853Ghz if they had extra GPU sauce. You would keep clock speeds down and if anything reduce them a little to keep all that extra power under control. This makes me believe the XB1 is what we know and the PS4 is what we know.

But lets see on or after September 29th...

[tuglu_pati]

^^ Well said. Agree.

[Whitey2k]

@vigilante no one knows the actual speed of the cpu speed on the ps4 guerrilla games said 1.6 back then but on the FCC it states the the max cpu speed is 2.75ghz that could mean either the ps4 has a max speed of 2ghz or a 1.6 with turbo boost of upto 2.75ghz

[ziggurcat]

Vigilante:

The PS4 CPU clock speed is not known at this point. If any of the rumours are true, we might see the clock speed somewhere in the 2.0GHZ range.

[christocolus]

the guy kind of has a point....it will boil down to the devs..and with devs in mind i remember hideo kojima openly praising the xbox one and stating his interest in kinect 2 same with shinji mikami......no one can deny the fact that ms has actually turned things around in such a short time.

[Hicken]

And with devs in mind, I remember a parade of devs praising the PS4 as early as its announcement.

I also remember that most of the best studios of the current generation were Sony in-house devs.

I remember that the PS4 was designed from the ground up with input from devs.

[XboxFun]

"And with devs in mind, I remember a parade of devs praising the PS4 as early as its announcement."

What should they do, curse it? They're making games for it, of course they would. The same way devs are praising the X1. But of course only on this site when that happens they're paid by MS to do so.

"I also remember that most of the best studios of the current generation were Sony in-house devs."

Who, Naughty Dog...who else? You state this as fact and not as an opinion.

"that the PS4 was designed from the ground up with input from devs."

I only remember ND telling Sony to put a share button on the controller. I also remember most devs complaining about the Cell. The 360, the first Xbox and X1 was always developed and designed with ease of use for all developers.

[moparful99]

@Xboxfun "To design the PlayStation 4, Cerny didn't just rely on research, or postmortems of the PlayStation 3. He also toured development teams and spoke to middleware partners to find out precisely what they wanted to see in a next generation console."

"In fact, said Cerny, when he toured development studios asking what they wanted from the PlayStation 4, the "largest piece of feedback that we got is they wanted unified memory."

Taken straight from Gamasutra's interview with Cerny about the PS4's architecture.

You're right a lot of devs complained about the Cell but as devs became comfortable with it the quality of games saw a sharp rise.

PS4's architecture, according to the article, is in fact using the software development program called SPURS that Sony created to help devs with the PS3..

So not only has Sony created an extremely powerful yet flexible platform but they are using tools that have a lot of precedent with developers meaning even more familiarity.

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Hes telling the truth no bottlenecks at all on x1 thamks to its large data busses and the Move Engines. This is one helluva customized beast and graphics monster.

[Xsilver]

im pretty sure i saw less bottlenecks not none.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Its zero bottlenecks. MS has identified every area of the x1 architecture where bottlenecks will occur and solved them thru engineering. It's painstaking but you can do tjis with a fully customixed system.

[Xsilver]

then why not say none tell me that

[Metfanant]

There is no such thing as a system without bottlenecks...its IMPOSSIBLE to build one...

[PositiveEmotions]

Actually i can tell the difference in graphics because i always pay attention on that and i have to say the ps4 graphics does look better.

[MrPerfect813]

To me it is simple, the multiplats are going to be on par with each other and PS4 will have an advantage in the exclusives department while X1 will have an advantage in entertainment department (tv integration, skype and such) I see it like this, if you want a system for just yourself, you should get a ps4. If you are getting a system for you, your wife and kids to use, then get an X1.

[MrPerfect813]

Has anyone PS4 or Xbox One mentioned what or when their online games are going to be available, i know ps4 will have DCUO at launch i think, but will State of Decay of Xbox One be out or anything from the previous gens...This launch sure is RPG Lite...

[gdguide]

Come on. The X1 will be a great piece of hardware. Both the PS4 and X1 are going to KILL the previous gen hardware. It still sounds like the PS4 might have an edge, but both are pretty amazing for the price.

[oldassgamer]

I realize that MS has to sell its box, but is it me or does all of this press out of MS seem desperate? Everyday, some exec from MS is trying to convince us on the prowess of the X1.

[tuglu_pati]

At least they are trying to sell their product, not trying to take cheap shots at their rival in every turn. Now that's desperate.

[kewlkat007]

At the end of the day it will come down to the games consumers prefer. What their friends have or getting. How attached or attracted you are to the online Eco system and price.

[AceofStaves]

Exactly. I don't buy a console based on specs. I buy consoles that have the games and features that are most interesting to me.

[Niv]

Current gen was close, maybe 5% better on 360 for multiplats with non-lazy devs.

The reason was due to the ps3s weaker gpu!

This time we know what we getting and gpu difference.

40% is a fact after xb1s 6% overclock.

[hollabox]

Bottleneck being that laptop style GPU. MS only need to add 32 pipelines instead of 16 and I think it would have been ok.

[Jamaicangmr]

This is the issue with MS execs i mean why is he talking about bottlenecks?

Leave such talk to a developer or some sort of system architect.

[UnHoly_One]

Oops, posted on wrong story.

[Kidmyst]

Of the articles I see where something really good is said about the XB1, it's said BY MSFT themselves. Good things said about PS4 are also quotes from Developers. This questions where are Developers raving about the XB1 articles?

[Metfanant]

MisterX...Fridgid...and EliteGamer...

Your world is crumbling around you...Albert saying the consoles are so close...where is your second GPU coming to the rescue to make all the 720p games run in native 4k!?

[MasterCornholio]

A lot of supporters of the XBOX One have been in an extreme state of panic ever since Adam Orth made his comment about the Ones DRM system.

It reminds me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

My recommendation is for those people to just buy their console of choice and just enjoy it and forget about the power of the system. In the end we buy consoles to play games not specs.

[Rekkapryde]

Damage has been done MS.....by your own mouths.

[thisismyaccount]

Only the skills of a Jack Sparrow and his crew can rescue this sinking boat full of rats. Within a year the Bone will be infested by Pirates, plundering their beaches and cities...

All hail Jack Sparrow, the Barbarossa of the 360 Era! Only he can save M$ and it´s fellowers...

[KingTrash]

From what I've heard, the best comparison that can be made to what is going on wih these tw consoles is the comparison of the iPhone and Android phones. Android phones have better specs but they still often lag while the iPhone is smooth as can be because Apple has their hardware and software optimized and completely streamlined. I think Microsoft spent more time customizing and streamlining and it's gonna pay off more than just throwing 8 gb of GDDR5 in there and calling it a day.

[CrossingEden]

I agree.

[Fangrim]

Funny how most articles about the Xbox One is about Microsoft, telling everyone how good the Xbox One is, and that specs don't really matter.

They are really going all-in on the damage control these days.

[SilentGuard]

One has worse specs than PS4 all thanks to Kinect. MS decided in development Kinect was more important than creating the most powerful console possible. Pretty bad trade off in my estimation, and for that trade off we get to spend $100 extra.

[hollabox]

Agree, old Don Hattrick got too caught up in copying Nintendo he forgot what audience he's selling to. Its been all good since his departure, spec increase, got rid of those idiotic policies, and now MS just need to release some awesome games!

[LAYLOW]

How is it that a 400 HP Porsche can be faster than a 700 HP Corvette?” Exactly !!!!

[xKugo]

Really excited for this game. So far looks stunning, much more appealing to the eye than several exclusives from both Sony and Microsoft i.e Driveclub, Ryse and Killer Instinct and judging from what the developers of this game are saying is technically superior to them as well. Definitely a must have for me.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

the console has had nothing but implemented problems before its even released!

[thexmanone]

Link

[okmrman]

please share of evidence of "implemented problems" lol

[MRMagoo123]

Ps4 is the more powerful hardware and it shows no matter what the MS pr machine say, i would say think but i dont see much thinking going on at MS.

[wtopez]

This is an awesome designed piece of thech. The the only nay-sayers are PS4 blind fans. 1.84 vs 1.31 in terms of avantage means alomost nothing. A 660 ti has 2.6 teraflops ALONE, never mind as a whole system. Is it 2x as powerful as the PS4. Nope(well maybe). MS know what they're doing. Remember PS2 having Toy Story graphics (and being obliterated by Xbox on raw power? Or next gen doesn't begin till we say say so(said by SONY), then having Epic bitch slap them in regards to Gears of War (which looked so much better than resistance). 360 beat them at just every multi-plat comparison. And if the rumors of a second dGPU are true, get ready for comment-thread vengeance...

[strickers]

This is where ignorance appears. Gears of War had much better textures than R1. But , it had inferior physics, particle/ smoke fx, AI, open areas and enemy numbers.

[wtopez]

That's where ignorance appears!? Smokes and particle effects? Gears looked better, played better and was a whole of a lot most fun that resistance. It aslo made Epic tell Sony to STFU. Spin it how you want but Sony has a history of over-promising and under delivering every time. Ignorance "appears" when drones swallow whatever a multimillionaire company mentions.

[DOOMZ]

Its going to be amazing!!!

[worldwidegaming]

Its great to hear console players sounding more and more like PC elitists on who has the bigger tools.
lets talk about how great the games are and how next generation gaming is worth the investment!
Look at the wii u! Still waiting for great games for almost a year. I would hate for it to be another
"buy and wait for great games!"
Until then we have current gen! (great games coming!)

[gnothe1]

sony guys keep harping on the uncharted series...me personally I think tomb raider looks just as good if not better in some places...I think it was sony who had to prove why their system was more expensive..they had to put their money into first parties to show off the system..MS didn't..they were cheaper an had a better online..so sony NEEDED the graphics for the consumer draw..

[larrysdirtydrawss]

graphice side.ps4 has it pretty easy with its 50% more horse powered gpu/extra GB of ram and 8ACE'S 64 queues,making it it a very powerful console with insane efficiency.. and theres no reason why ps4 wont eventually raise there clocks in the future like the psp did.. thats not saying xone is junk, cause they're doing something certainly right by how dr3 now looks and runs... its just ps4 has quite a bit more juice under the hood like the first xbox had over the ps2 and how the 360 had a better gpu and ram situation compared to the ps3.. its just now that sony has a console hitting on ALL cylinders

[5eriously]

Less bottlenecks? Less than what exactly? I would've thought it should be NO bottlenecks.

[DJMarty]

LOL, PAYBOX ONE is full of BOTTLENECKS.

[JohnS1313]

More nonsense from Microslop.

[leahcim]

It does not matter Mr. Penello the fact that really matters is that you don´t have a year and half of advantage, this time the second or maybe third place on the market for the xbox (if a miracle happens on the wiiU) is practically assured.

[AceBlazer13]

For a product that nickels and dimes people for everything other than breathing you would expect more perks.

[yellowgerbil]

Microsoft mom says that it is the most handsomeness box there is, smartest too.

[Foxgod]

Amen, i have been saying this since the first time i layed my eyes on the specs of the XB1 and the Ps4.

And the games are clearly in favor on the X1, higher res, higher fps, and more AA.

[Metfanant]

what games are higher res/higher fps/more AA on the Xbone exactly??..

you mean like Killer Instinct at 720p? or dead rising 3 barely able to hit 30fps?...or do you mean Ryse running at 30fps??...

the ONLY game you've got to stand on is Forza 5 running at 1080p 60fps...

[Foxgod]

Driveclub, no AA, 30 fps
Infamous, barely AA, 30 fps
Not a single game that runs in 1080p with 60 fps

All XB1 games have AA, all of them run in either 60 fps, or 1080P 30 fps with AA.

[ziggurcat]

Fox:

Care to prove your FPS, and AA claims?

And prove that there are any xbone games running native 1080p @ 60fps. Concrete evidence, not hearsay from MS or the studio making the (because they'll say anything to hype up their product).

[Metfanant]

Driveclub: can you give me a source for the "no AA" comment?? they are also targeting 60fps..doubt they will get there..but that leads me to believe they are running higher than 30fps...

in their defense they are running large environments, with full dynamic lighting and shadows....while Forza 5 uses smaller environments and pre-baked lighting/shadows

Infamous: what does "barely AA" mean? oh thats right, you dont actually have a clue as to how these things work, so youre making it up lol...also have a source for that framerate??

No games run 1080p 60fps? Killzone Shadow Fall says hi!

Dead Rising 3 says hi...MS engineers have had to visit the studio weekly and the game is still struggling to hit 30fps...

do you have sources for "all xbone games have AA?" no of course you dont...

[GraveLord]

He's comparing the Xbox One to Xbox 360 in this article by the way. He's not comparing it to the PS4.

[AbortMission]

Xbox One right now is pretty much a PS4 with welfare hardware and "da cl0ud" Lol. Shots fired!

[Silly gameAr]

It's been like MS PR blitz day on N4G or something. Not bad for a pro Sony site hey?

[hazelamy]

i thought car analogies were invalid when it came to gaming. ^_^

anyway, as to which one is more powerful.

don't really care, i got just as much enjoyment out of the ps2 compared to the original xbox even though it was clearly less powerful.

you know what game i play most these days?
Minecraft.

there are more important things than graphics.

[im_not_a_psfanboy]

They are literally the same, just shut up and choose your console based on the first party titles you like, instead of whining which 1 better compared to the other.

[Stakalee]

It's funny to see Sony cheerleaders on every single X1 thread talking down on it as if their scared that their plainstation will have some competition, I'm not getting a ps4 any time soon so why would I look into what they have coming this fall, I mean kill zone and Second son looks great but that's really about it really