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Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"
Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”
Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever
Nice one ☝️
It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.
Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.
1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.
2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.
I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.
Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.
@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.
What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.
Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.
And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.
Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.
With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.
Zeref
So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.
They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.
Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.
This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.
No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.
Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.
Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?
Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.
Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.
If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.
Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.
But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.
That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.
Anyone remember games for windows live.
I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.
I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.
You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.
"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."
Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.
"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."
Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.
You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.
Yay steam
Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.
How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?
Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.
Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?
Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.
That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.
Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.
Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.
The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point
I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.
This is the one that nobody can argue microsoft is getting right.
The idea of moving from one gen to the next and losing all previous purchases is mind blowing.
Console should and could be like pc. Theres absolutely no excuse for it, especially in the digital age.
If you want to keep game collections forever just torrent/usenet rom collections of consoles. When you have the physical game on a drive it's yours period it will never go away.
So this is a bit misleading.
Nintendo I'd argue maintains some level of preservation consistent with Xbox as they have offered a method of playing older games since the Wii vua the virtual console and NSO they also frequently remake their older games like links adventure.
Are they perfect far from it but there's some level of reverence to the past output. They have made a lot of mis steps and frequently try to go after its own community but there's efforts being made and new games are coming to NSO frequently with games that never saw release actually getting launched like star fox 2.
Let's also not forget the fact that this Xbox preservation team and the PlayStation preservation team while we are at it because if you remember correctly PlayStation set up its own preservation team roughly two years ago now they have not done anything yet.
Xbox ended its backwards compatibility program a few years ago now and as a result no new 360 games are being brought to current generation consoles this compatibility team is established for forward compatability making sure xsx games run on Xbox series successor hardware.
In short the new Xbox team isn't interested in preserving Xbox and Xbox 360 games that currently are not backwards compatible and yes that list is overwhelmingly huge with heavy hitters like the orange box becoming unplayable as of a few months back
Just a reminder: MS' marketed "backwards-compatibility& quot; is not true backwards-compatibility, save for the Xbox One generation. You must download an emulator-wrapped recompiled version of each OG and 360 game. When that authentication/download server is removed, the older games will no longer "work". The discs are only used for authentication. Moreover, only ~65 OG and ~650 360 (mostly LIVE Arcade) games are supported. The program is nowhere near as comprehensive or preservation-secure as people may have been led to believe.
Former PlayStation boss Jim Ryan has said that the PS5 is "on track" to become SIE's "most successful console ever."
Now he wants to say good things about PS after he laid off a bunch of ppl.
Real classy Jimmy.
Is that the worst you can come up with? Because if I was criticizing Microsoft I could easily list a dozen things only one of which would be the 5000+ people they have fired from their gaming divisions in the past 16 months including everyone who worked on producing physical games.
Let me remind you that PS5 is selling faster than PS4, they just had the hit live service game Helldivers, Spider-Man is still charting, they have already released Granblue Fantasy, Rise of The Ronin, and Final Fantasy Rebirth and Stellar Blade is right around the corner, they also have Silent Hill and two Kojima games in the works. They also have all the big gatcha coming out of Japan, Korea and China lined up for their consoles, which let me remind you that Genshin and Honkai Star Rail made close to a billion dollars last month alone.
They also have PlayStation Portal which is selling as fast as they can make them, and just around the corner they have a 33.5tf console coming out which don't listen to the BS is going to be awesome and supporting it is going to be easy since every game already has two modes so "quality" mode will only need to be unlocked for PS5 Pro's and existing games will be able to easily have PSSR enabled for them.
So yeah, things are looking really good for PlayStation, and the second half of the generation is going to be huge when all the PlayStation developers start releasing their PS5 Pro Enabled games.
"Is that the worst you can come up with?"
I'm. Sorry what? Its called facts. I forgot you love Jim Ryan even if he doesn't know or care about you. None of them do. The sooner you touch grass and grow up the better.
Ok cool so what's the point of saying all that? I know all that.
@Lightning
Except it wasn’t a fact. Ryan has left PlayStation already. The layoffs that we saw with every publisher recently were after Ryan. So nice try.
"Except it wasn’t a fact. Ryan has left PlayStation already. The layoffs that we saw with every publisher recently were after Ryan. So nice try."
That was all Ryan before he left clearly. He stepped down officially a few days ago. He was doing his good byes he even took a picture with the London Studio only to shut them down days later. Don't try and shift blame or change history it was all him.
I thought the layoffs were bad. It's bad when Microsoft does it and when Phil Spenser spoke about it 99% of the comments on this site were about how Xbox sucks. When someone is commenting on how Sony layoff people, you instantly find persons that run to defend Sony. This type of behavior is not good for gaming. Remain consistent in your principles no matter who is doing the wrongdoings. Stop waving your pompoms to one side because these companies don't care about you or their employees.
Omg https://en-as-com.cdn.amppr...
Not even a few days ago just yesterday he left.
Hiroki Totoki is temporarily taking Jim's spot doing Jim's work for 7 months until he was gone April 1 . Now anymore foolish deflection from you ppl?
@divine
Layoffs are bad, but we get these guys with zero credibility, who all of a sudden want to bring up layoffs because an article says something they don’t like. All the while they never bothered when MS did more than twice the layoffs after spending 68 billion to destroy multiplatform segment of gaming. The double standard SHOULD be mentioned.
I just want to see those single player first party games.. i do not like the silence from ww studios
I'm sure you also would say the same thing about Phil Spencer to be logically consistent.
You tell us, he laid of orders of magnitude more people than Sony did, and you remained silent.
Are you guy's defending Jim Ryan just because he was part of playstation?
The guy did nothing good for the industry the entire time he was head of playstation.
It's his bad decision's that got people fired .
@Frost really now? Go find the article and look through the comments and you'll see my comment mocking MS. This isn't about MS though just the usual whataboutism from you.
But cool keep making up more stories it's in your head kiddo.
Funny to see Jim Ryan is suddenly a hero on here now.
Fun fact:
MS laid off 1900 employees from MS studios.
Sony laid off 900 employees from Sony Interactive Studios.
I hope you liked the classy MS after spending 68 BILLION on buying up the industry, then firing people.
I have PS so why would it upset. I'm not a weirdo did Jim Ryan do lay offs or not?
Because you always seem to be upset when PlayStation is going good.
And Ryan retired in September. Sony laid off 900 employees recently. Every other large publisher did as well, including MS which laid off the most developers at 1900.
For the sake of proving your objectivity, please show me any comment you made about how MS showed its class by laying off developers after spending 69 billion on cannabalizing the industry. No joke, did you make any comment like that?
It's your head wanna see fanboy in everyone else because you are one. Not how it works I'm afraid.
Ryan announced his retirement in September. He was still in office Hiroki was training under Ryan hence why we've heard from Hiroki and not Ryan. Ryan officially left yesterday.
That's means Ryan did those lay offs. For God sakes just google it since it's so hard hard for you to understand.
"Sony laid off 900 employees recently. Every other large publisher did as well, including MS which laid off the most developers at 1900."
Yeah... No duh...
Wait class? MS showed no class they were candid about the lay offs and their strategy. They said no patronizing words as far as I know.
Other than that I don't know what you're even talking about. What comments do I have?
Haha bravo! way to ignore what I said, conveniently. But, that answers my question. You need say no more.
I'm sure he was saying good things about playstation before they laid people off, not sure of your point
He lays off ppl and shut down a studio then wants to say good things about PS, not hard to understand. He was saying good things because he worked there, of course he said good things at the company he worked for.
They all do, so I don't know what you mean.
You say that like Phil didn't just give thousands of people the axe while you stood in silence. We see your hypocrisy... We know you're mad that your box just got the Dreamcast treatment, but at least try to remain objective.
Nice wrong assumption as always. You're a funny guy though.
Where I mocked MS
https://n4g.com/comments/re...
Anything else I can shut you on? You know know first hand I'm good at that
Ps5 is a turd of a console. If it outsells the ps2 Itll be the greatest paper tiger in gaming history. All pop and no fizzle.
Also Jim Ryan by the way everyone PS2 now sold 160 million total.
Still yes ps5 is a fantastic console if the games library in it's later half follows past cycles of showing off what the true hardware capabilities are we are still yet to see it's best games.
Rockstar is going to make the console sing with GTA 6.
With Xbox floundering talk of EU stores no longer stocking the games going third party fanbase is more divided than ever and Nintendo doing its own thing even delaying (rumour) switch 2 till next year PlayStation is running seemingly unopposed I'm not sure if that's a good thing but it's the reality we are in
So should you keep staff you don't need in any other business? That's called socialism.
And yet it lacks exclusive..... I remember the PS3 days when Sony was underdog and releasing exclusive after exclusive
5 exclusives this year before it’s even April/may
Ff7
Stellar blade
Hell divers 2
Granblue
Rise of ronin
Silent hill remake conning soon too + can’t wait to see what their game for Xmas is
3 years in, and PS5 has more exclusives than PS3 after the same time frame.
What ya chewing?
So again I'm baffled by the responses from this forum defending a guy's statement when Sony themselves:
A) had to cut the same % of workers as MS and had to close some studios (reason unknown for Sony since N4G established that it's not capitalism or needs to make a profit).
https://n4g.com/news/259282...
B ) mentioned in an Investor's call that the console was entering the latter half of the life cycle and was expecting a decline in sales due to missed projections.
https://www.pushsquare.com/...
But hey it's great news for Sony because if they are on track to be the most successful console ever.
So just picture what they would have achieved if they had met sales expectations and not cut jobs.
Perhaps selling twice as much as the Ps2 console?
Beating Quest3 for VR unit sold?
London Studio would be working on Blood & truth 2?
***had to cut the same % of workers as MS***
I agree they suck, but playing % game is weird.
***mentioned in an Investor's call that the console was entering the latter half of the life cycle and was expecting a decline in sales due to missed projections. ***
No no no. You don't get it. It's both! /s
Yeah, I don't understand how you can say it will be most successful unless you talk about the total revenue it brings in, which is an unfair comparison considering price increases and market reach.
*** London Studio would be working on Blood & truth 2? ***
Or, now hear me out, something actually good? :P
"I agree they suck, but playing % game is weird."
It's the metric used in business and finance to evaluate the situation of a company (health, performance, etc)
For example, stating I only cut 5 jobs from a staff of 10 is much worse than cutting 100 jobs from a staff of 1000 hence why you always see a % of the total workforce when there's a layoff.
In the case of both companies, it's around 8%, and by business practice, it's a healthy move showing that they are willing to trim due to expectations of lower sales.
I do wish that the ppl from London Studio are affected by new projects within Sony (if they are still employed) or that they are working on a new VR idea. They are talented folks who managed to create great games with the limited resources or mandates that they had.
***It's the metric used in business and finance to evaluate the situation of a company (health, performance, etc) ***
People aren't percentages to me, I guess.
1. MS laid off thousands of people, several times more than Sony did.
2. PS5 is nearly 4 years old, new consoles typically drop 6-8 years after the previous, with the previous being supported up to 10 years total. There is nothing out of the ordinary by saying PS5 is in the latter half of its generation.
3. London Studio didn't make money... so they got closed. Nothing out of the ordinary there either.
@Frosty
I'm sure you have sources other than your beliefs to demonstrate that Microsoft laid off several times more compared to Sony, especially in regards to Xbox and Playstation since we saw the same pattern here on N4G where MS announces Layoff to cheer off the community with MS can't manage jack Sh*t followed by a similar wave from Sony simply due to different date for the fiscal year.
In 2022 MS laid off 1000 jobs out of all MS (1%) In 2022 Sony announced 90 layoffs from Playstation only.
Regarding console life, I believe that you forgot a pandemic slowed everything to a crawl hence why ppl still feel that we have yet to have true PS5 and Xbox Series X experience but that's my point of view.
totally agree with you on last point regarding London Studio.
It's hard to say if it will become more successful than the PS2. I know it will do very well overall. As a gamer I can't keep up with all the stuff releasing this year
currently at 50 Million, expected to sell 22+ Million this year
there's no doubt the PS5 will be breaking some records
GTA 6 launch will also bring a massive boost to PS5 Sales and the all new 33 teraflop PS5 Professional model
i think GTA6 is gonna help the console seel a shit ton, but 160 mio iii dunno.
maybe hes talking about hoe much money it brings in due to games sold on it. who knows.
Ps5 is easily the worst console in Playstation history. It's not even close. Vita was better.
Microsoft's future in the video game space is murky right now, so let's break it all down.
Not anytime soon. But they're on that path.
One thing not mentioned in the article is Microsoft's money bags. If Sega had Microsoft's money, they would have still been around as a hardware manufacturer. Xbox as a platform only survives because of the money bags. They can continue making consoles for the core and port to PC.
The multiplatform strategy is only the result of arrogance and misguided leadership that blew up in their face. They thought gamers would jump on Xbox in droves if they knew that many of their favorite games would be only on Xbox. But that's not happening at all. Sales didn't increase. They decreased. Why? Because the dumb asses thought giving away these expensively made games in a cheap service would also turn the tide.
Gamers on other platforms are willing to buy quality. They don't need to be handed nearly free games in a service that aren't even finished and sometimes average in their development. Gamers buy Nintendo games. They buy Sony games. Microsoft groomed their base to not buy games. Even the quality ones. It has always been their plan to go digital. But most gamers still like single player gaming. Still like physical releases.
Microsoft's problem has always been that they don't produce high quality games at the same output as Nintendo and Sony. Actually, they should be producing quite a lot more because they're worth over 2 TRILLION. How they don't have more is ridiculous and no excuse. Buying publishers to take away from competition only backfired. Because it still takes millions of dollars to continue to make those games from the publishers they snatched. Their only choice was to crawl back to their competitors to help sustain those developers because Nintendo and Sony platforms were the ones buying games.
Am I sorry for Microsoft? Hell no! They deserved last place for putting in the least effort. They deserved the fallout for buying up the industry and didn't make a single blip on the radar against their competitors where they now need those same gamers they took away games from to support them. Part of it may have been to cash in on their competition. But the result is the slow death of their platform. They may go 3rd party. They may keep making hardware. I don't give a shit about them to worry about it. I only give a shit about the destructive nature of their industry moves that only negatively affect gamers. They could sell and drop out of the industry and I wouldn't blink. Probably laugh. But not blink. They deserve whatever comes to them. At least Sega put in the effort when it came to games. They just had poor leadership. Microsoft has poor leadership and barely makes memorable games. That's a killer combination. And not in a good way.
That would be an insult to Dreamcast.. it had a crazy line up of legendary critically acclaimed games.
I was thinking the same. Dreamcast had incredible games in such a short amount of time. It was truly exceptional.
...and yet all those great games were not enough to sway people from the looming release of the PS2 at the time. Sony just has that kind of brand loyalty.
Darth
I do not agree.. Sony had even better games thanks to an unprecedented 3rd party support..
DC had amazing lineup but 90% were arcade games..
@darth:
And Sony showed off "The Emotion Engine" and their real time demos that made everyone think they would miss out on REAL next gen 128bit magic if they jumped in before PS2s polygon pushing monster (and early lack of anti-aliasing with a healthy heap of shimmer + DVD playback) stepped up. PS2 was a fantastic system though with amazing games.
That's not true. Just because Microsoft has the money doesn't mean Microsoft can allow xbox to bleed entire Microsoft money. It doesn't work like they. Also SEC will be watching and investor won't allow it. Lot of reasons why Microsoft can not continue even if they wanted to. SEC regulations is expensive.
Exactly this... Microsoft is a publicly traded company, mostly owned by their shareholders (Approximately 59.24% of the company's stock is owned by Institutional Investors, 7.73% is owned by Insiders and 33.03% is owned by Public Companies and Individual Investors.). Their shareholders call the shots on the business decisions, and their shareholders want one thing and one thing only, for their stock price to go up. Losses do not make stock prices go up... so if the division continually posts losses on hardware, but shows profits on software and services (which has been the case with Xbox its entire lifespan, for over 20 years now), the shareholders are going to grow impatient and demand they stop making hardware and focus on the only thing that has ever made them money, software and services.
When Microsoft bought Blizzard and Activision for almost 100 billion, I knew that was the nail in the coffin for Xbox as a console... as the shareholders were going to expect a quick return on that investment, and when it didn't materialize, they were going to be out for blood... out to force Xbox to sell those games on as many consoles as possible, "and while you're at it, sell those first party exclusives that aren't selling well on other consoles as well... hell, just stop making consoles and sell games."
If there is another Xbox console generation, it will definitely be the last, but I doubt there even will be one at this point. I think the Xbox division planning on it just in case, but I don't think the project has been greenlit from Microsoft itself. The rumors that they have not yet even secured the chips needed from the chip fabrication facilities ties into this.
While I usually agree with you . Alot of what was said can just also be asked before any of that.
How long will the shareholders wait? It doesn't appear long at all
I think I get your point. Like just because MS has money does not mean they are content to throw it away on a dying ecosystem. Xbox has to be profitable or “what’s the point?”
Money bags, yes, but are we ignoring that Xbox actually makes a profit on games and GamePass? Hardware is often a loss leader, and they're probably making profit 4 years into the life cycle, but games and services revenue have been very profitable while other parts of Microsoft's business is struggling. Say what you will about the quality of those games, of course, but this is kind of a reverse Dreamcast situation, where the console was dragging down the company and put it at risk of shuttering entirely. Killing that console saved the business and allowed it to continue to make games on multiple platforms. In this case, the service is very profitable, as are the games, and they're also double-dipping into Multiplatform to extend this further, while their hardware is just sort of what they believe to be the best for gamers and their own titles (whether that is the case or not...)
The issue is, they aren't selling enough hardware to make their exclusives profitable, and now that they've bought half the gaming publisher/dev industry, they have no choice but to go third party to make a profit... and that is making their shareholders take a real close look at their hardware division under the microscope... why keep making the hardware if the software is all that is making them money, and they continually, generation after generation come in dead last with hardware sales?
Look at a game like Spiderman 2... if it had been an Xbox exclusive, with the amount it cost to develop, it would have been a huge failure... simply not enough consoles out there to sell it on. They would have been lucky to break even.
@fr0sty agreed completely, which is why they're hedging by releasing other games to multiplatform, plus they have PC to make up for the difference in a lot of ways, which is why their games are not complete money pits. It brings up the question of whether or not those exclusives would drive sales of consoles, though. Let's say Spiderman 2 was an Xbox exclusive, it would certainly have pushed console sales, though who's to say how much is anyone's guess.
That's why you can't rely on just one exclusive, Sony has always delivered on a wide range of solid exclusives, even this generation (even if they haven't been strong on the first party exclusives, they've made up for it with third party). They don't rely on just one "system seller", they have a portfolio of them.
ApocalypseShadow To be honest Sony has more of a chance to go 3rd party because like you said Microsoft has money, Sony does not. Sony does not have games, Only games they have come from 3rd party. Sony has been losing money for years and you. Saying Microsoft has been putting the least effort just proves you have no idea what's been going on. All Sony has done is repeat and recycle, never innovating or doing something new. All Sony has is brand loyalty nothing else and it shows.
Not sure about that. It's been two decades and I still think about Power Stone, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Seaman and others, but I'm not sure I'll remember Xbox Series X/S games in a few years from now... Maybe I'll remember about the franchises that the Xbox brand spawned, but I don't believe that the Xbox Series lives up to the late Dreamcast or even to the Xbox name itself. I do have great memories about the 360 with Blue Dragon, Gears 2 and Lost Odyssey though
No, Dreamcast was ahead of it's time and most still have very fond memories of it that had one. It also had some good games on it even in it's short lifespan. Xbox has none of these qualities.
I remember it coming out at the time in a really bad place they hit the market before the PS2 but it was during this transitional time when Sony was promoting the power of the PS2 and so many of the Dreamcast games were awesome but often third parties simply ported the PS1 version increased resolution and performance but rarely fully utilise the capabilities of the console.
I think in the end bad marketing done it in and like the GameCube so many people are fond of it now but at the time it was looked at in the lense of the day and it didn't stack up.
Personally I miss Sega in hardware they took risks that many companies won't
I never owned it, and got the PS2 right when it launched. But there were certain games it had that I was always jealous of that I didn't have access to - Sonic adventure, crazy taxi, power Stone, code Veronica, shenmue, skies of Arcadia. I always thought it was a really cool machine though. I've never heard a bad thing about it though from those that had it.
I only ever saw one Dreamcast, and that was one my friend owned, pity I never got to play it, I wonder what games he had for it?
It would be nice if some of those games got ported to modern systems.
Oh man sonic adventure on the Dreamcast made me so jealous as a huge sonic fan on the mega drive who also moved to PlayStation 2 I never got the chance to play it back in the day either. The Dreamcast in Australia where I am was always relegated to the smallest corner of EB Games it was kind of a strong first indicator that things were not going well at the time.
Ive been thinking about this and yeah it's possible however I think the question is more could Xbox become the next Sega rather than Dreamcast.
I can see Xbox becoming a brand still with a seperate look and feel to the parent company no one wants to see the company that makes excel publishing games so I can't see them using the Microsoft moniker on games they publish.
I see a future where Xbox is a service driven product and who knows they may still continue the hardware and make it heavily subsidised extremely powerful and low cost but require a gamepass subscription to use it so they make back their money over 4 years or so.
But I absolutely see third party publishing and cloud gaming being the sole reason for their existence.
They have far more technical experience than Sega did who we know offloaded a lot of technical expertise to vendors and it's a different time to when Dreamcast died we have cloud gaming coming up (I'm not sold on it but many appear to be).
It would have to be universally loved to be the next Dreamcast.
They forget that Sega didnt do anything wrong, it simply didnt have the coffers of MS to hold on. MS and xbox story is a bit different.
I have 2 dreamcasts, 2 Saturns. Sega did a SHIT TON wrong and they’ll be the first to tell you 😂😂😭
I played Saturn alot more then ps1 at first. My stepdads sister had one.
They had an enclosed front porch. Kept the Saturn and a TV on the front porch so the kids on the 3 house side street block could play whenever. It was all family. Literally.
Depends. They're doing another next gen console. If things don't go there way next time (though many said this gen was their last chance) they're downsizing, selling of Xbox or become 3rd party. Because the industry is just too expensive.
Though tbh I dont know what MS goals are. They said or class console sales aren't the end all be all. Is is high gamepass subscriptions? High engagement in services sales attach rate or what? The funny part is Phil recently said (again) Xbox is profitable just, slow growth.
Sounds like money hungry company wants more money, then they make said money, they want more, more and more. There is no goal just pivot after pivot and gluttony for money from what it sounds like.
Thats the thing though Phil has had to eat his words so many times over the years. Make sure you have some salt when hes talking.
I do believe ms will give the handheld thing a try. It was probably already in r and d and all.
Microsoft going the way that Sega chose I would not be surprised. I honestly would not be surprised if Microsoft rebranded Xbox as a games section and focus their studios under one branch called XBox. And have games that say developed or published by Xbox studios. But unlike Microsoft Sega actually had machines that did well and the game libraries to back these machines up.
It had more games then the XB1 and what's on the Series X and that's me defending the little white space heater.
360 sold well but gotta admit ms dipped out of that Gen about half way through. A little over halfway maybe.
Microsoft's future in the game space isn't murky at all. They've planned for a long time to drop hardware and become a multi platform publisher. For them it's much more profitable than making games purely for their own hardware. It's no coincidence that they've spent so much money on buying up some of the biggest studios with the most profitable IPs in the business. They didn't do that just to restrict the sales of those games to one single platform.
Oh yeah absolutely. Because they make more money now that they have to release on PS instead of their own hardware and give sony a 30% cut on every game sold. I am sure they planned that from the beginning.
Kill xbox and release on pc and ps. Sure all planned.
nah, xbox has Mothergoose MS behind them. Sega didnt have that kind of money.
also, sega makes fantastic games. even the dreamcast had some of my favs
This. To this day I still remember booting up Soul Caliber in 1999. There will never be another console quite like it.
the best game of all time, !!! which says a lot, as its a fighter, which never get voted.
then eventually soul caliber switched to unreal engine and ruined it, felt clunky and just like any other game, lost some of its fluidity and individuality, also too many teleporting moves. Cervantes had one jump/ teleport move, plus yoshimitsu had a few dash/teleoport, that was it.!! fast forward to ps4/xbox era and everybody teleprting around, left right and centre, the 'dance' of the fight we fell in love with, was gone,.
Dreamcast was a great system. Better than anything Microsoft or Sony have pumped out in years.
I honestly believe the next gen from Microsoft is going to transition to having 2/3 PC architect box boxes that run an Xbox platform along with Steam, epic or other storefronts of your choice, with one of them being a handheld akin to the steam deck. They are looking to alter the dynamic of the how the console market operates by fundamentally removing the walled gardens. PC gaming and Mobile are the only real growth sectors of gaming so why not have a product line that operates in all of them.
Dreamcast's aren't E-waste and hold a legacy, i have a modded DC hooked up to a CRT with the entire library.
Good luck having that with Xbox in 10yrs time.
I don’t know why, but the focus Xbox had on heavy shooters with an Alien/Space theme such as Gears of War and Halo never appealed to me. Those game had their audiences of course. But I remember that people who liked those type of games were big fans of Quake, Doom, Duke Nuken, etc when they were younger. Some people like gore and monsters. Sony had a more diverse selection of games. They were more adult oriented with games such as The Getaway on PS2 and Heavy Rain on PS3. They also had monster shooters. To this day, everytime I play a game that is an Xbox exclusive it really feels that it has no soul. Story writing has never been the strength of Xbox exclusive games.
The Dreamcast was better. Xbox is just a more advanced version of the Phillips CD i that turned out the be a better version of the Stadia console.
no... dreamcast was what it was due to before its time innovations... microsoft isnt interested in innovating anything but a sub fee to their gaming service.
Don't insult my precious Dreamcast like that by comparing it to modern day Xbox. 🍥
MS/Xbox is not going anywhere; whenever something shifts, people get all doom and gloom, lol. MS is making money on software and services, and hardware eventually becomes profitable. The problem is it's the same market over and over, with the lion's share going to their direct competitor, Sony. Fan loyalty is a real thing; it's almost like politics, where "your" side can't do anything wrong, and if they do, you brush it under the rug and keep cheering.
MS will release a new console; they will just open it up, make it completely like a PC, with other storefronts, and at the same time dip into the Switch/Steam Deck business with a handheld, effectively putting Xbox on every type of device. Collectively, it will create growth, even if one sector falls short. They will also continue to put games on PS and Nintendo when it makes sense...Live service games and, maybe after a year or 2, single-player games like SF and Indiana Jones; I do not see Halo, Gears, or Forza falling into that situation.
Side Note: as a Nintendo fan, I remember the many, many years of doom and gloom predictions from console loyalists lol.
The Saturn burned to many consumers in America. I loved the system, but the majority of the good titles for the system were never brought to the states. It was a shame. The Saturn was an absolute 2d powerhouse that released at a horrible time when everybody wanted blocky polygons. The Dreamcast suffered from the stigma of how Sega handled the Saturn in my opinion. I bought Dreamcast on day one and loved it until they stopped supporting it. I mean NFL 2k, and NBA 2k. Still playing NBA2k until this day, and would play NFL2k if it was possible to exist.
Microsoft is and has always been a software company first. Whatever hardware they make is (almost?) always secondary to their software. They seem to be trying to turn Xbox into a subscription service similar to Office 365 that spans across every platform you can think of. They want to push their presence everywhere basically. The Xbox console is just one place out of many. How well that strategy will turn out to be in the long run still remains to be seen. Wouldn't put too much hope in their hardware plans anymore tho. But never say never I guess. At the end of the day, their wallet is effectively a bottomless pit.
Full disclosure....I own a ps5, and a Series X....I still have a Dreamcast that I breakout to play Skies of Arcadia and Grandia 2 every once in awhile. I don't see a single game that I will be playing from this gen on the Xbox in 20 or so years. So while I know the comparison here is a hardware making solely transitioning to a software company...I can't compare the two
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BTW, many first gen Xbox games and great sagas like Project Gotham Racing were born in Dreamcast. Xbox was born thanks to Dreamcast.
Xbox keeps making new SKU’s! The internet says Xbox is waning but M$ keeps pumping out different console variants, it’s like, pretty sure they didn’t buy up half the industry to put out games on PC.
It’s funny bc M$ is so slow delivering any notable games the masses thinks Xbox is dead but really it’s just on life support while the games are being made—best not take them out to oven too soon this time or it will be a death sentence, not just for the Xbox brand, but all those great IP’s they bought as well.
In the last 6 years have they made more skus or more exclusive games
Honestly I’m confused.
Have they had Xbox one slim Xbox one x, Xbox series s & x, the black s 1tb edition now this new adorably digital edition, is that 6
They had starfirld redfail forza & halo infinite sea of thieves, As their big blockbusters
You could say hifi rush but that’s fishy, they would have had it anyway, even without the buyout,
I mean, I’m not good at maths but it’s not really adding up to a great scorecard in my eyes
These mfs not even tryna release games at all, they rather boast about releases that's like 3+ years away lmao then wonder why sales are low seems like there's politicians and con artist working there nowadays with all the lies and not owning up to it like a real adult
Basiic tenet of business is that you don’t keep pouring money into a loss making venture. MS has a history of cutting and running if the business venture is failing.
i goddamn agree
Good interview and it's always the Sony people with a since humor.
Aren't they giving away 14 days of plus with every PS4 purchase which also allows those people to play DriveClub and Resogun for free, day one?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, we all like free stuff or just better deals with our purchases.
yeah ,how this is bad is beyond me, i remeber the days were consoles came with a game, so when you got home you had something to actually play, times have changed so you can play free demos and such but a free game is a free game
It's really not odd at all.