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Why R18+ is Not the Answer, a Case Study Involving Saints Row IV

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When the Australian Classification Board (ACB) refused to classify Saints Row IV, debate surrounding censorship, appropriateness and the false hope of the R18+ classification in Australia sparked up again.

Here are my 2 cents.

If you thought the R18+ classification would automatically let you play any game created no matter how obscene or graphic, you were wrong and you should feel bad.

Deep Silver screwed up by choosing cheap laughs over a considered approach to mature content, underestimating the importance of incorporating adult material in a relevant and context specific way.

RocknRolla3893d ago

I went into this thinking it would have been a one sided article, but after having a read I saw that it was extremely fair to both sides.

It not only criticizes Deep Silver/Volition regarding the content of the game but also the R18+ classification AND then goes back to how the game for Australians is nerfed.

In the sense that they cannot play with anyone around the world in multiplayer because it's been modified.

That's a huge kick in the nuts, I had no idea about that.

GrathiusXR3893d ago

The amount of people I know who have imported this game solely based on the fact that we got screwed into ONLY being able to play with those with the same copy as us is phenomenal.

I WAS going to pick this up but since it's been delayed till Sept 12th only days before GTAV, looks like they've lost a customer.

Have to wait until after the Summer of games to pick it up.

aksobey3893d ago

Great article. Thanks for the interesting read.

BadCircuit3893d ago

I can only say: thank goodness for region free games :)

RocknRolla3893d ago

I know right thank god, but for those who have no clue about importing they're missing out unfortunately!

gaminoz3893d ago

@BadCircuit

I think you are missing the point. He isn't arguing for ALL CONTENT to be acceptable in Australia.

He is having a go also at the publisher for allowing some of that content, which is just pushing it for an over the top laugh, to be considered acceptable.

gigoran3893d ago

I know right thank god, but for those who have no clue about importing laws, customs package searching, confiscating banned items, and fines or jail time, they're in trouble unfortunately!

MRMagoo1233893d ago

I think the R rating should be pretty much anything goes, its kind of stupid the way it is now, i dont care if the board of directors who ever they are (i know they dont play games) think the stuff that was removed wasnt relevant to the game.

The R rating has basically just taken the place of the MA15+ rating with nearly the same stupid restrictions and not much else.

RocknRolla3893d ago

Still though when a game includes something purely for the sake of cheap laughs without any context it's kind of stupid.

At least within GTA it's there with reason NOT for the sake of some laughs and just to be different.

MRMagoo1233893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

the whole point in a game is to escape realism, adding stupid rules saying "no fun things allowed if its not contextual" is stupid no matter how you put it.

The main problem is that ppl dont realise this is games and not real life, the ppl that cant tell the difference are the problem not the games themselves.

aliengmr3893d ago

Yeah picking up hookers was done with the intent of being serious. Sure. Real high brow stuff, GTA.

You really don't understand comedy at all. Funny thing, not everybody thinks the way you do. I know, sounds crazy, but stay with me here. People actually have differing opinions on what is funny.

RocknRolla3893d ago

Regardless of if people can distinguish between games and real life isn't the point.

Putting in a weapon where you can probe any innocent passer by up the ass is not fun. Nor is it funny.

Especially if it's just in there for the sake of being different than GTA

Hicken3893d ago

Maybe not to you- or me, for that matter- but for some, it is. If you don't like it, feel free not to use that weapon, or to play at all.

Cheap laughs abound in movies and elsewhere. Why is it video games cannot have them? It's tacky and unrefined and crude and base, and exactly the sort of thing you'd expect from Saints Row.

It's not for you to decide if others will find it funny. Nor is it for whatever certification board that exists to do that task. It's their task to explain the content and rate it accordingly. Personal sense of humor is irrelevant and, to a certain degree, so are personal morals.

The things I do in video games- whether it's simply walking into someone's house in a JRPG, or mowing down waves of people in one shooter or another- don't reflect on me as an individual. They don't reflect my beliefs. They just reflect (some) things I enjoy doing in a game.

This is one of those times where #dealwithit is appropriate.

MRMagoo1233893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

Odd you say "Putting in a weapon where you can probe any innocent passer by up the ass is not fun. Nor is it funny" as if its a fact i find it funny so that point is invalid, i seem to remember in the game destroy all humans on the ps1 and 2 you could anal probe ppl and their heads would pop so you could collect their brains. http://www.youtube.com/watc... not the best video but proves my point.

I also see you may be one of the ppl that cant see the difference between a game and real life via this statement "any innocent passer by " they arent real ppl let alone innocent, i think you really need to think about what you write before trying to debate anything.

RocknRolla3893d ago

The fact that you think I can't distinguish between games and real life is simply put amazing.

The fact you find striking an innocent person walking along the street up the ass with an anal probe weapon then thrusting them into the air all on the basis of fun is even more amazing.

I'm glad the ACB banned this game and it got edited for Australia. Some people seem to still have brains which is good to see.

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aliengmr3893d ago

You know its doubly ironic that you say "innocent passerby" as it relates to SR4.

Anyway, I am glad you feel safer knowing this game isn't roaming free in Australia, could be a disaster. I mean people could have been watching that and....not found it funny! *GASP*

People could have had an awkward moment! Sure glad the Aussies avoided that!

gaminoz3893d ago

Now now boys, nothing wrong with expressing an opinion...don't need to name call :)

I agree that anal probe seems stupid and immature and don't understand those that think it is funny, at least more than a second or two. I remember though I found the cerebral bore hilarious in Turok back in the N64 days, so maybe because its because I'm older now.

In any case it is up to the dev. to put in what they want, and it is up to the ratings board to rate it according to their standards.

It will always be a certain amount of interpretation.

annus3892d ago

Holy shit you are delusional. It's fun in GTA shooting people and running them over, it doesn't mean that I think the real thing is fun or funny.

Saints Row IV wasn't even banned for that weapon, it was because of drug use.

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Fallout 3's Reveal Led To Death Threats And Bethesda's First Security Guard

The artist behind Fallout 4’s Deathclaw reveals just how bad things got back when Bethesda took over the series

anast8h ago

People are stupid I get it. No one should feel unsafe,

But I think they need to talk about why they cut so many corners during the development process and why none of their games ever look current. And why they think all of this is okay while they charge full price.

LucasRuinedChildhood7h ago

As much as Bethesda deserve criticism, that's not really relevant to the reveal of Fallout 3 in 2007.

VenomUK4h ago

The default angle Kotaku always go for is to highlight the worst in gaming.

I would’ve focused on the creative.

gold_drake3h ago

there is no "but". the hell lol
you dont send death threats, period.

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What Made Fallout 3 One Hell of a Game?

Bethesda's post-apocalyptic RPG remains an unabashed classic, more than a decade and a half on from its launch.

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ZeekQuattro3d ago

For me its the fact that I could put hundreds of hours into it and still find areas I missed in my earlier runs. It was also my first FO and despite what I had to put up with at times such as overall crashs and killing my orginal PS3 with the YLOD it's still my favorite entry to this day.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Tons of reasons

But my silly little one…hunting for unique weapons and armour

Something Fallout 4 just didn’t really have as much because they replaced most of it with randomly generated customised weapons. Even Elder Scrolla doesn't do it as well.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I remember during my first playthrough of Fallout 4 back in 2015 I somehow got an automatic combat rifle that shot explosive rounds by defeating a legendary creature. Unfortunately that was the only playthrough I ever got that weapon. It's a shame because it was absolutely epic!

Vits2d ago

Sense of exploration. That was why older Bethesda games were so good. They might have had glitches, broken mechanics, meh visuals, etc., but they were some of the best around when it came down to the sense of exploration. You could go wherever you wanted and you would find something cool; it might have been a faction, a weapon, an enemy and much more. And that is what they are lacking now. Skyrim still had a lot of that, but Fallout 4 dropped it by focusing on an interconnected world and more randomly generated rewards. Fallout 76 just kept that trend and added multiplayer, and Starfield went even further in killing it by creating a whole universe with parts completely isolated from each other.

EazyC2d ago

I think the retrospective of Fallout: New Vegas' existence has somewhat diminished the view of Fallout 3 in the eyes of many, but it getting out of the vault in Fallout 3 was, for me, the most remarkable experience I've had in a videogame.

I was 12 when it came out, and I remember I just saw the score it got in Gamemaster magazine (remember those!? 😅), and I just went to the shop and bought it with my pocket money.

Not knowing anything about the game, I thought the whole thing was going to be about growing up in a vault, especially given that I'd spent about 2 hours in it....I literally could.not.believe it when you got out and it was just this wasteland on every direction. Amazing.

Tody_ZA2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Probably because these Bethesda games were hand crafted so that exploration meant something. Unlike Starfield where this sense of exploration is replaced with the illusion of scope and procedurally generated worlds. A player can always appreciate when they wonder into an unforgettable new encounter by accident or stumble across a new questline that becomes their favourite. Just like a player can always tell when they're ploughing through filler on auto pilot, that they'll forget the moment some resource numbers go up and nothing worth remembering occurred.

I mean, in Fallout 3 you could nuke an entire town as a SIDE QUEST. In The Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim, the Dark Brotherhood questlines were my favourite in any RPGs and you could completely avoid them if you didn't care for them. In The Witcher 3 side quests take you on ridiculously dark and mysterious storylines that are some of the best I've played in RPG history. There's a reason why people still talk about KOTOR to this day. Difference between a developer creating something or just padding a game world with stuff.

Fist4achin2d ago

There were some side quests that could yld have been developed into an entirely separate game. Some great writing there.

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Fallout Anthology Edition Looks Pretty S.P.E.C.I.A.L.

The Fallout Anthology Edition is coming to PC very soon, and is packaged with some very S.P.E.C.I.A.L. bonuses.

-Foxtrot11d ago

It’s an awful downgrade to the last one they did

They included physical disc back then

ocelot0710d ago

Forgot I ordered this until I got the dispatch email.

FPS_D3TH9d ago

I want the first two games to come to iPhone/android

Friendlygamer9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I would love the classic fallout games on console. Closest I could find was atom rpg, I liked that one a lot

saint_seya9d ago

I though it was a new Killzone when i saw the image, looks like a hellghast..