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Sony PS4 vs Xbox One: the 4K war begins

The PS4 and Xbox One both have 4K in their futures one way or another – not least because Microsoft has revealed that Xbox Ones will ship with a 4K-ready HDMI cable.

Smoovekid3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

I do not think either will do 4k gaming unless it is pong. Most high end GPUs on PC can't and TVs are all pretty much 1080p at the most. It would be cool if you could game in 1440p or higher resolutions.

Microsoft saying they can is a complete lie, or maybe it's in the clouds.

cl19833908d ago

I don't expect 4k games for quite sometime, mainly because most people don't have the devices to put out a 4k signal yet, and it's still questionable of when 4k tv's will be cost effective.

0ut1awed3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Yea, Smoovekid speaks the truth.

I have a 3930k and a 780 here. If you don't know what that means, ONLY my cpu and gpu cost $1200. Not bragging here just using this to make my point.

It runs metro last light at ~30fps in 1440p.
To be fair that game is a hard hitter. The point is I can see devs getting the consoles to 60fps @1080p with lots of optimization but probably not at launch.

I really hope that they are able to achieve it eventually because I truly want to play next gen consoles. I just doubt I will be able to bear 720p after already being at 1440p on my pc.

BF4 will only be 720p @ 60fps at launch. Compare that to standard launch games in the past and ps4 and xbone should be able to do 1080p @60fps eventually.

ABeastNamedTariq3908d ago

@Outlawed

I'm pretty sure DICE said that they either are at 1080/60, or are targeting it (for consoles). Hope is not lost just yet haha.

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0ut1awed3908d ago

@ Slasher

I was the same way until I realized I could get rid of my current monitor at no cost for a 1440p one.

Needless to say the change is staggering. I could never go back. I can't imagine how good 4k is going to look.

Although I think Oculus Rift and Virtuix Omni are what gamers should really be looking forward to.

vigilante_man3907d ago

It will be used for movies in the first instance.

mewhy323907d ago

does the the PS4 actually even come with an HDMI cable?

hkgamer3907d ago

erm... 4k tv will probably be cost effective alot faster than hdtvs were.

I mean my 480i Plasma TV and my 1080p LCD TV were both more expensive than Sony's 4kTV.

Im guessing the only 4ktv that wont be cost effective ones are the 4k OLED tv if that were ever released.

starchild3907d ago

The prices on 4K displays will go down fairly quickly. That isn't the real problem, the main problem is that the consoles simply don't have the power to render games with advanced graphics at that resolution.

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porkChop3908d ago

Both consoles support 4K for movies. Neither supports 4K for games because it requires way too much power that can be used for more important things.

AzureskyZ3908d ago

Don't know why you got a disagree but you are correct-- 4k is possible on video but the amount of power needed to run 4k fluidly for games isnt going to be available this coming gen--- they could do it but thats going back to the ps3 launch issues where technology cost to much and hiked the price of the console. Most people cant even afford 4k tvs for at least 3-4 years when they come down in price anyways, this along with a new format perhaps hvd <holo> will highlight the next consoles.

mediate-this3908d ago

the hopefuls hope, and the realists tell it like it is

kneon3907d ago

They both have enough power to do some games at 4k. The problem though is if they are using hdmi 1.4 then the maximum frame rate us 24fps. Hdmi 2.0 would solve that but it's still not ready, it keeps getting delayed.

HammadTheBeast3908d ago

Don't worry, maybe at the end of the Gen, the 0.02% with 4k TV's can benefit from it.

PFFT3908d ago

I wouldnt mind playing Pong at 4K res lol

B-radical3908d ago

I wont expect a single gpu to be able to run in 4k for atleast 6 years but then again amd and nvidia are doing pretty impressive things

joefrost003908d ago

The thing thats funny to me is that I keep hearing people call MS liars and lets get 1080p 60fps first MS already have a handful of games coming at launch with that
So I give it four years or so
I am really convinced gamers are pretty dumb
MS never said the cloud could make overall graphics better
They they coyld take some of the computing work and let the cloud do it
In term freeing up some of the CPU to do more graphical work
I keep hearing people try and make it a direct connection with cloud and graphics
No matter how many times MS explain it people will still get it wrong

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porkChop3908d ago

Microsoft doesn't need to specify "graphics" when talking about the Cloud. They literally said that the Cloud will increase Xbox One's overall power by 3x, which is impossible. Cloud doesn't work that way. While Microsoft never specifically said graphics, they did in fact try to trick gamers into thinking it.

"They they coyld take some of the computing work and let the cloud do it
In term freeing up some of the CPU to do more graphical work"

CPUs do not handle graphical tasks. That's why they're called CPUs, not GPUs.

I find it hilarious that you say gamers are dumb when you clearly have no idea how Cloud and hardware even work.

mediate-this3908d ago

I think don said him self the coud gives xbone the power of three xbones, but im not entirely sure, correct if im wrong

joefrost003908d ago

You still need the cpu to process it dummy
Its like having 16gb of ram it would be pointless cause you wouldnt have the processing power to use it
If dont know anything please refrain from commenting

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Mithan3908d ago

Agreed. Some indie games only. X1 and ps4 don't have the power

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Neixus3908d ago

both companies ship their consoles with a 4k capable HDMI, thats it, nothing more.
Sony said that 4k photos will be possible, dunno about movies though

CraigandDayDay3908d ago

Of course 4K movies will work on the PS4 (and the xbone probably too). Sony owns 4K content. They'd be crazy to not allow 4K movies on their platform.

joefrost003908d ago

Both said they will do 4k movies
And MS said they can do 4k gaming
Sony said they will .not
It really dont matter to me cause 4k is a tv.buzz word even to 4k tv arent real 4k but thats another conversation
I love how you all just straight call MS liars but if sony said they will do 4k games all of you sony fanboys would be on here not only bragging about it but trying to technically explain how they could
But I guess since sony cant do it MS cant either
Even though its on the box 4kgaming
And that mean all of you on here claiming MS is lying should get you a lawyer and sue them for false advertisement

SlyFoxC3908d ago

jesus joe....learn to type in paragraphs and not that random ass line shit you have there lol. its like trying to read a book written by a blind dude on acid....

KillrateOmega3908d ago

Quite frankly, I don't see 4K gaming as being a significant factor in the console war for quite some time.

cyguration3908d ago

Fully destructible city environments. That's more important than 4K.

Make it happen gaming industry.

Mikeyy3908d ago

This x100!!

This is why people need to get battlefield 4, call of duty will never innovate as long as they are sitting comfortably at 12 million sales per platform. Same thing with Madden. Madden 25 is just now catching up to 2k 2005'.

PFFT3908d ago

Sony should Announce War of the Monster 2 for the PS4. I know its a bit off topic BUT man can you imagine how bad ass that game would look running on the Ps4. The cities were fully destructible. So just the thought of being able to rampage through a big dynamic city gives me goosebumps lol. Man i do hope Sony didnt drop this IP cause that game was freaking awesome.

NarooN3908d ago

Back when Volition were awesome, the first Red Faction let you blow up a great deal of the maps with the Geo-Mod tech...and that was way back in 2001. I still remember the hidden area in one of the caverns about 60% through the game, where if you could find it, you'd get this insta-full health and enviro-suit, and a shitload of weapons including the Fusion rocket launcher.

*sigh* Miss that game.

SchwoererBear3908d ago

I have been dreaming of the day I can go full on Godzilla or Rampage in GTA or anyother game really. It would be really cool to play a fallout game where everything is destructable!

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Stsonic3908d ago (Edited 3908d ago )

Yes and when we are ready I think it will be on VR goggles way before consoles. lot's of people game now in 1440p so it won't be long before 4k monitors become more affordable.

B-radical3908d ago

Not till next next gen anyway

SnakeCQC3908d ago

ALL hdmi cables are the same its the spec for the actual slot that changes meaning my hdmi cable that i bought with my original consoles works with 3d 4k etc. The chances are 4k blu rays at most will work but NO games

porkChop3908d ago

That's not actually true. Not all HDMI cables are the same. Even with standard non-4K cables there are differences in bandwidth. 3D 4K would require a ton of bandwidth that your standard $5 HDMI cable wouldn't be able to provide.

SnakeCQC3907d ago

It's been tested like crazy and if i had a monitor that was 4k i would be able to game at 4k. They advertise 4k or 3d on the newer to scam people and make a quick profit. The bandwith on the cables haven't changed at all just the devices with the slot have had upgrades ie a tv that has a higher refresh rate and 3d etc has a 1.4 plug where you can plug in any hdmi cable to get it all setup correctly for 3d. There have been SOOO many online articles to support this.

zugdar3908d ago

Stop. Why would anyone support 4K anytime soon with the practically 0 install base and resources to have such a resolution?

SchwoererBear3908d ago

4k is certainly far off. I think devs need to focus on mastering what is available(1080) before they worry about something that is uncertain. I would say that most people don't have blu ray players yet, I don't think people are ready for another upshift in resolution when people are just now settling in with HD tv's.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere4h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN2h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

PassNextquestion4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger2h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto4h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos3h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long44m ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel3h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator2h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg5h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos5h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola33m ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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