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PS4 to Limit Game Capture?

Kovic and Bruce report on the possibility of the PS4 not being able to capture games with an external device.

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Pandamobile3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

"You cannot capture to external devices, only within the PS4"

If you can't move the files your PS4 captures to an external device for editing, then that pretty much negates all the benefits of having game capture in the first place.

Especially if you can't capture digital output via HDMI due to HDCP like the PS3.

iamnsuperman3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

All those technical people out there does this work . I don't personally care (I don't record my own footage) but this might help those people if they want to record PS4 footage if it does

Gazondaily3913d ago

Cheers for that.

This isn't a big deal like many are making out. There are always ways round things like this,as your video points out.

But I do hope you can move your PS4 capture files (and X1 files) to an external device for editing. Like Panda said...if you can't then it defeats the point of having the feature.

xHeavYx3913d ago

The extra step would be to upload it to YouTube then download our and edit it

Pandamobile3913d ago

@Heavy

Anyone who takes any pride in what they create will not want to do that. When you're doing video editing, you're going to want to work with videos that are as close to the source material as possible. Going through Sony's compression, then Youtube's compression, then whatever editing software you use's compression, then Youtube's compression AGAIN - is not going to yield very pretty results. As a content creator, I cringe at the thought of having to jump through so many hoops just to do something as basic as edit my PS4 clips together in Sony Vegas or Premier.

DragonKnight3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

People are forgetting the possibility that Sony could include a video editing app like they already have. Sure, the current PSEye app sucks, but there's nothing to suggest Sony can't include some version of their Sony Vegas program on the PS4.

M-M3913d ago

I've always known about that, but I hate the fact that I would have to go and buy extra hardware just to record. If all of my devices used HDCP over the whole entire system, then it wouldn't be a problem, but just for one thing? -____-. That's what I liked about consoles this generation, all you had to do was have a pair of analog cables and you're good to go(if you already have an HD capture card).

Pandamobile3913d ago

"People are forgetting the possibility that Sony could include a video editing app like they already have. Sure, the current PSEye app sucks, but there's nothing to suggest Sony can't include some version of their Sony Vegas program on the PS4."

Hahaha. It's hard to imagine a console-based video editing suite being anything other than primitive and horrid.

GameNameFame3913d ago

am I the only one who sees the question mark and read "possibility" on the article?

It is clearly just a speculation...

Kleptic3913d ago

I'm guessing that all this is related to what was confirmed...that certain developers can decide on what can actually be captured (for preventing spoilers, etc.)...

but again...if its locked to the HDD, but is allowed to be uploaded at a decent compression to youtube or some other service...its not going to be exactly hard to rip it right back down again...pack into what ever file type you want, and edit away...sure, its an extra step, but its still relatively easy for getting console fottage...

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rajman3913d ago

I've been capturing from PS3 with HDMI for a long time, just need a device that breaks HDCP protection....which Im pretty sure will work on the PS4 to

Pandamobile3913d ago

That's an unnecessary extra expense for something that should work out of the box.

Bluepowerzz3913d ago

hdmi decoder is cheap stfu panda

rajman3913d ago

@ Pandamobile
Even though the HDCP proection can be broken, its obvious that Sony will still use it because its just makes capturing from the PS4 harder, and I think they do it to stop people from recording Blu Ray movies.

GraveLord3913d ago

Pretty sure you can edit the files on the PS4 itself or just set it up to save it to your HDD for editing later on.(continue capturing while playing.)

It's really not that big of a deal. Besides, the most popular games are multiplats and will be on PC.

Do I even have to mention the inevitable "live streaming" option? No editing needed for that and if Twitch is any indication, people don't care. Pure raw gameplay is fine.

British_Knight3913d ago

You can edit files on the PS4, but its editing tools won't be anywhere close to apps with robust features like Final Cut Pro.

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The_Con-Sept3913d ago

I don't want to buy a capture card anymore. If I really want to edit the footage with my own music in it, of which would probably get taken down due to bs copyright claims, then I will just download the mp4 data from my account page and then edit it that way. If that doesn't work then I'll still download it using a simple tweak to my web browser and download it and then edit it. Using my handy dandy super c video editing program I will do what ever I want to the video file.

Seriously I don't need to edit a video with my own music that freakeshly bad. As long as I am able to post up videos on my PS4, without needing a stupid *** hundred dollar capture card, then I am perfectly fine with that.

You people be making a huge deal out of something so simple and make it sound like it has all these complications. I don't need to edit my footage. Because it only means you are not a pro and hiding a weakness. I'd much rather show what I am capable of without a edit.

If you love posting up clan videos for barely anyone to watch go ahead. Meanwhile true pros post raw footage, not chopped liver.

Kleptic3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

haha sorry man...but thats a bit ridiculous...

'true pros post raw footage'...i'm sure they do...but don't kid yourself that you're capable of pumping something like this out, but just 'don't because you're pro'...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

enjoy the show...i'd watch something like this 50 times before i watch some un-cut footage of some decent player...

Some of us personally don't care about editing the footage of our own gameplay...because some of us aren't arrogant enough to say its easy...but i truly do hope that capturing and editing is made as easy as possible...for people like the guy who made the above...

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EXVirtual3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

It's a rumor man. Just goes to show how Xbox fanboys are willing to cling to straws to belive any negative rumor about the PS4. The whole DF 4.5 GB BS exposed these guys.

M-M3913d ago

@B-radical

No, that's for something entirely different.

drsfinest723913d ago

Shut up don't be a hypocrite cause Sony fanboys be the same way with negative ms rumors so it ain't fair to say that

Xsilver3913d ago

Ok sony put that restriction on the ps3 so people could'nt steal blu ray quality movies now whats freaking me out is the xbox one has blu ray now so how is this goona work lets wait and see pretty sony has something for it

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pedrof933913d ago

Well, Ps4 has 15 minutes of time limit.

But these guys are right it may complicate their work, and in order to conquer them Sony need to clarify or do some changes here this. Though to the normal gamer such as me 15 minutes of capture is actually pretty sweet.

kneon3913d ago

The 15 minutes is not a time limit, that is how much is automatically buffered so that you can capture those unexpected moments.

pedrof933913d ago

Like some fail happen and I can record it even after 15 minutes ?

kneon3913d ago

Exactly, it's always recording because you never know when you might pull off something awesome, or an epic fail :)

So when such an event happens then you can go back and save the recording as long as it was in the last 15 minutes.

pedrof933913d ago

That's even better actually, thank you :D

sincitysir13913d ago

I thot the video was only meant to be uploaded to the psn? I dont know. I'm not good enough of a player to upload gameplay but hopefully u can upload to YouTube

Transporter473913d ago

This website looks stupid, right under this has an "Early Xbox One Price Cut 399"

On topic:
Neither Sony nor Microsoft have stated if you can transfer your videos to an external device so I don't get why just mention the PS4 and not the X1

ma1asiah3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

I dont normally comment on PS4 aticles, however I felt your comment did deserve a reply

"Neither Sony nor Microsoft have stated if you can transfer your videos to an external device so I don't get why just mention the PS4 and not the X1"

I believe this article answers your question as to why they have singled out only the PS4

http://www.oxm.co.uk/59560/...

Spencer: Xbox One will support external video capture devices

Speaking to Polygon, vice president of Microsoft Game Studios Phil Spencer responded to a question on whether the HDMI-only Xbox One would support gameplay capture given its High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) digital rights management system.

"Yep," Spencer told Polygon. "Exactly like it works today [on the Xbox 360]."

Users won't be able to capture all video content from the console, Spencer went on to say. Streams that supports HDCP encryption wouldn't be available to record from, for example - presumably to protect against illegally recording Blu-Ray movies or TV shows.

"If all you care about is getting the gameplay, you're fine," Spencer concluded.

Transporter473913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

As long as you have an external video capture device of course it will be able to record I have one I can record my PS3/360 footage this is not new, I am talking about the internal capture they both do, not an outer one that I have bought separately

On another note that didn't answer the question if you can transfer your capture files to an external device, by external device i mean USB/External HDD

ma1asiah3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

Then I apologise I assumed that you were referring to what the article/video was in reference to:

"Kovic and Bruce report on the possibility of the PS4 not being able to capture games with an external device"

Which yes you are correct does not answer at least part of your question though does answer as to why they did not include the X1 because the X1 CAN do this. Which is to say just like the X360 and the PS3 as you already mentioned.

Something that some are SPECULATING that maybe and ITS a big maybe the PS4 is not capable of doing.

Now in respect of transferring to an external device if you are meaning such as an external HDD then I see no reason as to why the PS4 cannot do this as SONY have already confirmed that they will support third party external HDD'S.

However if you are referring to transferring your captured video to say an IPad or a Smartphone etc then that might be another story with which I highly doubt either console will support, still you never know.

DeadlyFire3910d ago

I see no reason why it wouldn't let you transfer files here and there. Windows, Linux, and Mac do it. 1box and PS4 should allow you to do so as well. Well if you can upload it to Youtube and such. Then its already possible to redownload it on your PC and transfer anywhere you want.

kneon3913d ago

I expect that both will let you copy the files off to a USB drive, why wouldn't they?

Transporter473913d ago

That's what i thought but as of now nobody has answer that question.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow113h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos10h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos8h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje8h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

Aphrodia47m ago

And what of the rights of the buyer? The ones that purchased this game with hard earned money? They bought a product that is now being changed into a different product. Surely you would stand up for them since you are about "rights"?

Christopher41m ago

***It's not their work to censor. ***

They own the IP. It's theirs too do with as they wish.

***It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score. ***

You got proof of this? And even if this were true, isn't it the developer right to want whatever an ESG score is?

***from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal. ***

Licensed music is always going to get changed unless they can afford to keep paying those fees sadly.

***Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people. ***

You do know in the original that the artwork is extremely pixelated so you can't even tell what it is, right? Shouldn't we then be arguing that they increased the detail of this artwork at all then? Why the remaster? Picasso got it right already with the original.

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Eidolon9h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum11h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum7h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola6h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum6h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

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Aphrodia55m ago

And Lara Croft is also a mass murderer everywhere she goes. Why didn't they patch that out as well? See, anyone can spew pedantic BS.

CrimsonWing6934m ago

How is it not censorship? They are removing suggestive content due to not wanting to offend SJWs and woke people. They literally removed something already in the game that nobody even thought twice about just like a movie on cable television is edited for content… y’know, like literally removing scenes because of not wanting to offend a public audience? How is this different?

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SimpleDad8h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola6h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

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Christopher40m ago

Have fun falling off that cliff at the end of the slippery slope.

CobraKai7h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Christopher40m ago

Just FYI, every game has that right.

Killer2020UK7h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh7h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

Christopher39m ago

My thinking is that the original artworks might be community created.

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