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How To Quickly Start A Men Vs Women War in Gaming Threads

Just by commenting about how women are being treated in the gaming community and the workplace or take a pro-women in gaming stance can easily start a men vs women war in a comment thread. Polygon, known for their “debates” and also for their gorgeous web design, posted an article titled “How to attract more women in game development“. Immediately there were negative comments and comments that side-stepped the issue mentioned in the article to making it about “how to attract ANYONE in game development”. Of course these comments were made by male gamers.

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TekoIie3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

Link's not working :/

EDIT: working now :)

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DragonKnight3913d ago

How to make something out of nothing.

State that a "war" starts simply by taking a pro-women stance.

The amount of garbage that comes out about this subject, filled with confirmation bias, skewed facts, and victimization, has pissed people off to the point where they can't take any of these articles seriously any more.

TekoIie3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

Why do we "NEED" more women in the industry? Do we "NEED" men to make games? The answer is no to both.

I actually have a better idea! How about we say that we need talented people to work in the industry?

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rainslacker3912d ago

The point made in the article though is that people's talent isn't always a factor when they're a woman. The author was basing her blog off her own experience.

However, I do agree that saying we "NEED" more women to do such a thing is as sexist as saying women can't do it. A person's abilities and qualifications should be all that matters, regardless of race or gender. However, that doesn't dismiss the authors point that it doesn't hurt to seek out that creative talent by making it more appealing to women to actually seek out the field of game development.

It also doesn't dismiss her point that there are instances where women have to do a lot more proving than their male counterparts. This is true for a lot of industries, or our culture in general, and is a societal issue not confined to gaming. If a woman is capable, then they should be given the same respect as a male doing the same job...individual personalities set aside of course.

spawnhellraiser3910d ago

Thank you for acknowledging that this blog post was about my personal experience with the gaming industry. And thank you for your points. It was well said!

I do not agree with the point you made about saying "we need more women" is sexist. Perhaps the way that it is read comes off as saying that having more women would instantly make the community and industry better. However, I have never made that suggestion.

From the point of view of a woman in the community and industry, I simply want more women like me present. If it comes down to just being able to TALK to another woman in the industry, then so be it, so I would re-word it as saying women in the industry would like more women in the industry to get that relationship that only women can have.

I'm not trying to be exclusive but inclusive. I am passionate about what I do and respectful and I want to be around more passionate and respectful people. Having more women around that has the same dreams and aspiration as me is kudos to my experience.

Well there you have it. Thanks all for reading my article.

rainslacker3909d ago

I was actually referring to the comment on here in the "we need more women" point. I didn't feel that was the actual point you were trying to put across in the article. Hiring someone because they're a woman is as inherently sexist as not hiring them because of that reason. It fulfills some sort of quota(for lack of a better term) that the company has to meet, and at some point one would have to question, is it because they're women or because of their qualifications that they're given more consideration than anyone else applying for the job.

From my experience while in school studying game design not too long ago and from others I've heard speak on this topic, the ratio of men to women was vastly disproportionate. This is evidence, although anecdotal, that the career path isn't as appealing to women. The ratio in the game design curriculum was 1 in 10 were women...and that's being generous. This is a far cry from the general computer science curriculum where it was more like 1 in 4 were women. Strangely odd statistics either way since women generally are rated better at math overall, and math is vitally important to programming.

In this, I believe that the industry would be better served making it more appealing to women to even pursue. The rest one would hope to come naturally, but the other social and cultural issues you mentioned aren't insular to the gaming industry. They're just much less announced for the most part, with a lot of companies having policies taking a very dim view on sexual or even racial discrimination. Personal experiences can always be given, but they aren't always indicative of a company wide agenda(again generally speaking, not towards the game industry).

On a side note, I can say that while I was in school, I never personally experienced anybody treating the female students as any less capable. For the most part they worked harder and did better jobs than a majority of the males. Again anecdotal, but they seem to be given the respect that they deserved based on their work, which is the way it should be. If anything, it may show that the next generation of developers will be a bit more open to women in the workplace, and I wouldn't doubt that many males don't always realize how they behave towards the opposite sex. This is just a general view again, and not just confined to the industry itself.

thisismyaccount3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

Men fuck Women, therfor we are the superior sex! (excluded the bad parts.. that tend to fuck themself)

Women like to overthink, hence they need to cool off more than men.

Men have 1 chromosome(important one) more than Women, which makes us up to 50% more better than Women.

Men have paenuese, some have even 2x (lucky bastards). Hence we are able to pee while standing, one handed! Women can´t achieve such status....

Women can´t not penetrate others "slotmachines", without additional tools.

Women will transmorph the older they get, Men not until the age of 90-100! Therfor we are superior!

There are moe sexy bitches on this planet, making every men on this planet a happy "fapjedi".

Best cook on this planet is a MAN! from Spain (or was..), we beat Women in their own discipline!

Men can do everything a Woman can, except giving birth..

Women can´t do everthing a Man does,... just look at Women Soccer... geez (give me some "whoobly" tities while playing.. no flat chests!)

Men are always horny, because we got some balls! to play with.

(hihi)

MWH3913d ago (Edited 3913d ago )

hallelujah! lmao

dcj05243913d ago

Fapjedi. *looks around*. HONEY WANT TO PLAY STARWARS WITH ME?

DragonKnight3912d ago

I had to lol at this comment. Especially the "paenuese." I didn't know I had a paenuese.

But seriously, dis some sexist sh*t right here.

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein1d 14h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga16h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing691d 13h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde20h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21831d 12h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg1d 11h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 11h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam1d 15h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1251d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2291d 13h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy852d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted2d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere2d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook72d ago (Edited 2d ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy852d ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga2d ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher1d 14h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1d 9h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike2d ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv721d 18h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

BoneMagnus1d 16h ago

@darth - Nice collection!

crazyCoconuts1d 11h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire1d 16h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19922d ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga1d 14h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk1d 23h ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 7211d 18h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty1d 12h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds1d 22h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx121d 22h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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