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How Microsoft Handed the NSA Access to Encrypted Messages

How Microsoft allowed the NSA access to encrypted messages. Ranging from Hotmail to Xbl messages. The extent of their cooperation with the PRISM programme.

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guardian.co.uk
ChozenWoan3937d ago

Thanks to a link at the bottom I've got a new search engine. duckduckgo.com

I've read about most of this before but it's interesting that MS boasts about Azure while at the same time building Skydrive for the NSA. Wonder if they are connected in some way. hmmm.

pompombrum3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Well if you read the article, you'd probably come to the conclusion that seeing as duckduckgo is a US company, if big brother comes knocking, they'll be bending over too. Safest bet... VPN + TOR browser and a MAC spoofer if you're really worried.

ChozenWoan3936d ago

Good point aiBreeze, yet for the time being DDG doesn't track user info so there is no info for the NSA to demand.

Plus I'm not that worried yet, but I'm starting to get there. Might have to go Lodite just to get away from all this crazyness... well until they come knocking at 5am one day. lol

pompombrum3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

These Microsoft working with the government articles couldn't have came at a worse time for the company. I wonder how much the kinect device will be linked to these spy claims by the general media? I find it extremely concerning that seeing as I'm not American, the NSA could theoretically force Microsoft into allowing them to spy on me through any of Microsoft's products and can do that without even needing a court order. I'd like to think there is something in the law that would actually stop them being able to use Kinect as a CCTV device but tbh, I'm not hopeful.

Also in before the apples and oranges laptop webcam/smartphone comparison.

n4rc3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

In a statement, Microsoft said: "When we upgrade or update products we aren't absolved from the need to comply with existing or future lawful demands." The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands and we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers".

Targeting US citizens does require an individual warrant, but the NSA is able to collect Americans' communications without a warrant if the target is a foreign national located overseas.

Quoted because people will still miss it..

No spying without a warrant, unless you are outside the USA.. Obviously.

Your constitutional rights are only valid in the states..

pompombrum3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

"but the NSA is able to collect Americans' communications without a warrant if the target is a foreign national located overseas."

And that's the most worrying and disturbing thing.

n4rc3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

I don't argue.. But as Canadian I can't really say much about it.. But to me, I would assume your rights as an american don't apply in foreign countries.. So to me everything in the report is common knowledge and nothing new

But you'd have to have done something to warrant attention.. They don't have the resources to monitor people just for the hell of it..

But some people think law enforcement is like CSI on TV.. That techs carry guns and drive hummers.. Etc Lol.. They can't even keep tabs on all the suspects nobody argues they should be watching..

And this is all coming from one man that's a wanted fugitive.. Not saying it isn't credible but you have to question it a little bit imo

extermin8or3936d ago

Yeah there's a little thing called international law, and agreements. THe only reason the USA has been allowed to house so much of the internets infrastructure is to try and prevent indivdual countries being able to censor wha thtey don't want popping up, or spying via it-or at least make it harder. Now they've done this the arguement to no distribute it more evenly will be a harder one to put forth and if it is... say hello to censorship from foriegn states and the sweet f a we'd be able todo about it realistically. Plus some countries could've tken this as an act of survielance and reacted alot worse than they have-after all that IS what they are doing. See no reason why they have any right to see anything about me at all and my internet activity as a UL citizen.

Mikeyy3936d ago

According to PRISM they are collecting all our data without a warrant.

Is encrypted but they can still look at it eventually. A warrant simply speeds up the process since the provider unencrypts it for them.

Funantic13936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Well we've never had any problems before. So it'll be ok. And plus the NSA has their own problems right now. Everybody is suing the NSA....firms, companies, and different countries.

Hydralysk3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

This system wasn't POSSIBLE a decade ago. Of course we haven't had problems before, because we've never been in this position before. We're running into this issue precisely because technology is progressing at such a fast rate that the law can't keep up, and EVERYONE is abusing that fact.

This is not an issue you can just ignore, and it depresses me how many people agree with the whole "Well if you're not a terrorist you've got nothing to fear from the government spying on you!" the politicians are spouting.

It also doesn't help that all that the "We don't target Americans without warrants!" policy sounds a lot less reassuring when the person reading it isn't American.

n4rc3936d ago

Your the one making assumptions when the facts dont suport your claims..

I go on what the report actually says, not what conspiracy theorists believe.

Wasn't just a couple months ago the Boston bombing was staged? How'd that turn out?

Hydralysk3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Which of my assumptions wasn't supported by facts?

The one where I said the technology that made PRISM possible wasn't available until recently? If that's not true then enlighten me, show me the evidence you have that what I'm saying is false. A decade ago there was no Youtube, social networking sites like Myspace was just taking off, as was Skype. Not only technology itself but our very culture has recently become tied to putting pieces of who we are online.

Or was it where I claimed that foreigners aren't that reassured by the statement that PRISM doesn't target Americans without a warrant. If that's something you don't believe I think you should read more about what's going on with US/EU and US/Brazil relations at the moment because of this (Spoiler! They aren't too happy).

It's also hard to believe the official reports when the national intelligence director straight up lied to congress about the program existing to begin with.

Finally, I don't see your point in mentioning Boston... Does the fact that Prism can't catch 100% of terrorist plots somehow prove that the government spying on us isn't something to be worried about? I mean I'd say that's a good point for my argument, if all the violation of privacy coming out now can't completely stop terrorist attacks, then what's the point of it? I'm a thousand times more likely to get involved in a car accident than a terrorist attack, but now I'm expected to accept them infringing on people's privacy to protect us from that incredibly low probability?

Funantic13936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

I'm sure it's possible with my lap top computer right now tho. It's ran by Microsoft Windows. I'm sure this web camera stays on in front of my face while I've smoked a blunt. I've also smoked during a Skype session....nothing happened. And don't think we've just started being spied on....no we just found out. Like I said it'll be ok. Exposure hurt the NSA. Some people of the NSA will be fired and the agency will be restructured. They have plenty of powerful people suing and investigating them. The NSA has plenty of problems right now. All of the govt. agencies are not unified and have disagreements on the complexities of rights and laws. Even the highest human authority has a powerful adversary. There is no one single entity.

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Bethesda Needs to Reduce the Gaps Between New Fallout and Elder Scrolls Releases

Waiting a decade for new instalments in franchises as massive as Fallout and Elder Scrolls feels like a waste.

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gamingbolt.com
-Foxtrot13h ago

Microsoft have Obsidian but I feel it's Bethesda who just don't want to play ball as they've always said they want to do it themselves.

Once MS bought Zenimax in 2020 they should have put the Outer Worlds 2 on the back burner, allow Bethesda to finish off its own Space RPG with Starfield (despite totally different tone why have two in your first party portfolio with two developers who's gameplay is a tad similar) and got Obsidian for one of their projects to make a spiritual successor to New Vegas.

When the Elder Scrolls VI is finished Bethesda can then onto the main numbered Fallout 5 themselves.

The Outer Worlds 2 started development in 2019 so putting it on the back burner wouldn't have been the end of the world, they'd have always come back to it once Fallout was done and it would have been nicely spaced out from Starfields release once they had most likely stopped supporting it and all the expansions were released.

If they did this back in 2020 when they bought Zenimax and the game had a good, steady 4 - 5 years development, you might have seen it release in 2025.

We are literally going to be waiting until 2030 at the very earliest for Fallout 5 and all they seem bothered about is pushing Fallout 76.

RaidenBlack11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Its not just only Todd not playing ball.
Obsidian have made a name for themselves in delivering stellar RPGs, but most famous once have always been sequels/spin-offs to borrowed IPs like KOTOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Stick of Truth etc.
Obsidian wants to invest more in their own original IPs like Outer Worlds or Pillars of Eternity with Avowed.
Similar to what Bluepoint & inXile wants to do or Kojima is doing (i.e not involving anymore in Konami's IPs).
So yea, even if New Vegas has the most votes from 3D Fallout fans, Obsidian just wants to do their own thing, like any aspiring dev studio and MS is likely currently respecting that.
But a future Fallout game from Obsidian will surely happen. Founder Feargus Urquhart has already stated an year ago that they're eager to make a new Fallout game with Bethesda, New Vegas 2 or otherwise. Urquhart was the director of the very first 1995's Fallout game after all.
And don't forget Brian Fargo and his studio inXile, as Brian Fargo was the director of Fallout's 1988 predecessor: Wasteland

KyRo8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Obsidian should take over the FO IP. They're do far better with it than Bethesda who hasn't made a great game for almost 15 years

RaidenBlack2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

@KyRo
So, by 15 years, you mean Fallout 3 was the last great game Bethesda made?
You don't consider Skyrim a good game, which came out 13 years ago?
I'd consider Fallout 4 a pretty decent game as well. It's Story & RPG elements were a bit downgrade from New Vegas but the exploration and shooting on the other hand, were upgrades.
FO76 was disappointing and Starfield could've been better at launch I'll agree.

Duke197h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I disagree. Part of these games is the support for the mod community. If they move to releasing a "next game" every 2 or 3 years, the modding support plummets and the franchises turn into just another run of the mill RPG.

Make the games good enough to withstand the test of time, to keep people coming back to them and expanding on them with mod support.

--Onilink--5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I dont think anyone is saying they need to come out every 2 years (not to mention almost no game is released that quickly anymore)

By the time Fallout 5 comes out, it will be more than 15 years since Fallout 4 came out (same with ES6 coming out 15 years after Skyrim). Even if you want to use F76 as the metric for the most recent release, that one came out in 2018. It will be a miracle if F5 comes out before 2030

The point is that for a studio that doesnt seem to operate with multiple teams doing several projects at once, that their projects normally take 4-5 years as a minimum, and that now they even added Starfield to the rotation, it becomes a 15+ years waiting period between releases for each series, which doesnt make sense. Imagine that Nintendo only released a mainline Mario or Zelda game every 15 years…

They either need to start developing more than 1 project at a time, let someone else take a crack at one of the IPs or significantly reduce their development times

Duke193h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs? Look at what happened to Final Fantasy as a recent example - there is pretty clear FF fatigue setting in because they are now pumping out titles in the franchise every few years. Pumping out more games faster doesn't always make a series better.

There are plenty of options to make new games, not just create more titles in the same universe at a faster pace.

-Foxtrot1h ago

"Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs"

He's literally just told you why

We're waiting like 15 years before a sequel comes out, it's insane

Skyrim came out in 2011, the next game is expected to come out in 2027 at the earliest so that's 16 years apart while Fallout 4 came out in 2015 and might not release until 2031, again 16 years.

We're fine with Bethesda trying new things and doing new IPs like Starfield but adding a new game to the cycle now means a bigger wait. Also Starfield didn't meet most peoples expectations, can you imagine waiting 15 years or so for a sequel and it's disappointing? It would feel even worse because you would have to wait another 15 years to see if they manage to come back from it.

They need to give it to another developer, we don't need main numbered titles but a spin off of Fallout and Elder Scrolls should be cycled in between the long gaps of the main releases.

Once again you are making out people want these games as quick as possible when all we want is a standard development time of at least 4 years or so rather than waiting 15.

mandf5h ago

Yeah I’m going to say it, who cares about the modding community when making a game? Half the time developers only tolerate modders because they fix there game for them.

Skuletor6h ago

Yeah, let's all advocate for smaller gaps between series' releases, then we'll probably get headlines about how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven. Let them cook.

SimpleSlave5h ago

"how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven" So every Bethesda game then? Got it.

Listen, I would agree if this was about From Software or something, but Bethesda?

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C'mon now. What timeline are you from?

Skuletor3h ago

Think about it, they're already bug filled messes on their current schedule, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they rushed things?

-Foxtrot1h ago

@Skuletor

Who's saying to rush the releases? No one is saying that...

People just don't want to be waiting 15 years for a sequel, they aren't working on the game for that long, you do realise that right? The issue isn't coming down to them working on the game and us "rushing them", it's the fact they are working on other games like Starfield now meaning bigger gaps before they even get started on them.

I bet you any more Elder Scrolls VI only entered full development last year when Starfield was finished despite being announced in 2018.

Duke193h ago

I mean you aren't wrong. People are going to complain about anything

isarai5h ago

Hows about you focus on quality, just a thought 🤷‍♂️

Sciurus_vulgaris4h ago

Bethesda [or Microsoft] would have to reallocate internal and external studios towards fallout and elder scrolls titles. Bethesda has the issue of developing 2 big IPs that are large RPGs on rotation. If you want more Fallout and Elder Scrolls, development will have to be outsourced.

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