Super Smash Brothers Breakdown is a new series here on GVN where we cover everything Super Smash Brothers for Wii U and 3DS. Here you'll find character,item, and stage analysis videos as well as wish lists videos for characters we'd like to see in the game. Occasionally we'll have guest from the rest of the GVN staff on the show or even people from other websites or Youtube channels!
"Several Bayonetta players made it into the Super Smash Brothers 4 finals at Evo 2018 this year. Surprisingly, last year’s Evo winner and Bayonetta player Saleem “Salem” Akiel Young wasn’t one of them. Salem’s upset last year coincided with the longstanding debate over whether Bayonetta’s combo-linking abilities make her an unfair opponent, and after tonight’s results, that debate shows no signs of slowing down." | Maddy Myers, Kotaku
Smash 4's legacy in the Pro scene will be forever tainted by multiple controversies, so this ending was fitting in a way.
tainted for you, if you involve urself in those controversies. its not tainted for me and a lot of other players. Great game, had a good run, pro scene also had a good run.
It's not me getting involved in those controversies, the game as a whole had them and you can't just ignore each one and say the game had a good run.
Smash 4's entire lifespan for tournaments was a rollercoaster of events, ranging from Diddy Kong hate, to 0.9, to the current Bayo issues.
a character being overpowered is not really a controversy. 0.9 was but that was a one time incident (maybe more matches in that tournament but still only that tournament). They patched diddy decently fast for nintendo standards and hes fine now, still great, but not unbeatable. bayo is another thing, just not fun to play against. as far as im concerned only bayo made a dent in smash 4 so I dont see the overall pro scene as tainted at all.
if you didnt get involved then how is the game tainted for u then? the thing is, if they cant complain about bayo anymore, theyll complain about something else. Dont let it reduce your enjoyment or let it affect u.
Half the audience walked out after finding out it's going to be a Bayo mirror match. Don't understand why they didn't just ban her from the tournament.
Probably going to be the last time Smash 4 is even hosted at an event as large as this, especially after this tournament and a new game coming soon. People didn't pay to see the finals dominated by a broken character. They traveled, are paying for tickets, hotels, food, travel, etc, and if the competitive scene for a game disappoints fighting game fans who support the scene, say goodbye to decent payouts. After that the community diminishes. Also you figure, alot of people who game for a living need fan support via Twich and whatnot to have some sort of supplemental income. Getting booed for playing cheap characters, flipping off booing crowds, refusing to play at the beginning of a match all just seems like a poor way to build a brand for yourself in general.
Goes to show how childish the Smash community can be. Seeing more than one broken character in top 8s isn't anything new to the FGC. Kill or be killed, money on the line. To tops things off the top 2 players were going to collude until the T.O. got involved and showed them the rules. Smash is a trainwreck.
Well I guess since they are the same character there won't be an advantage other than their skill?
CaptainZack and Lima were both nobodies on the competitive scene until Bayonetta was released. Zack has been badmouthing the audience throughout his EVO run for booing him, and they stalled during grand finals to piss off the remaining crowd until referees had to come out and force them to play-on.
That's one of the problems with fighting games with large rosters, it's impossible to balance them all and especially for the pro scene. These pros pick the strongest characters in the game to master and win and it makes a lot of the tourneys boring to watch because we see the same characters over and over again.
thats something that happens in alot on multiplayer games. People just pick the strongest character to have a higher chance of winning
Well, the other players could just quietly, and unanimously focus on knocking out the player who picks Bayo. Me and my friends use to do it when someone picked meta knight back in the day.
With all the leaks and rumors hitting E3, it's Nintendo's Stage gamers know so little about. With this year being Nintendo's most ambitious in recent years. Can Nintendo rest their treehouse Live Event on the back of Smash Brothers and Pokemon Lets go Pikachu and Let's Go Evee for the Switch? How should Nintendo tackle 3rd party games? Most importantly, how Nintendo could win E3.
It’s actually Sony’s show to lose since no matter what at the end of the expo the PS4 will still be the console with the most anticipated upcoming games
for some.. I mean I am super excited for Spiderman (got the collector's edition on preorder), Ghosts and TLOU2. But I am equally excited for Smash and Pokemon. Plus hoping for a few other surprises from Nintendo (Metroid please).
All in all, I expect good things from both companies.
No, its true, Death Stranding, The Last of Us 2, Ghost, and Spiderman are an unstoppable force when it comes to interest. Sure it will be cool to see Smash and Pokemon but straight up anticipation definitely goes to Sony. The Last of Us and Death Stranding each by themselves could single-handily eclipse the entirety of the show. Spiderman brings in more money than any superhero character on the planet. Bloggers can snub Sony all they want but in reality, there is no beating them this year.
@Eonjay - I think there is still so much mystery surrounding Death Stranding and Ghosts. So I am definitely excited to know more about both titles. Plus we know TLOU2 will be awesome. And then there is legitimate hope for Spiderman. I agree that they are basically set to have any amazing show. Anything extra is really just bonus.
As of now the only games I'm buying on switch this is octopath traveler, and mainline fire Emblem for this year so far. Hopefully they'll have something else of interest I want to buy
Nintendo has more we don't know about. We know what Sony is brining.
Last year everyone was upset because Sony didn't show much new and couldn't give us dates.
Sony's sitting pretty on a golden infallible throne, around these parts.XD
But in reality, Nintendo's the one with the bigger set-up this time around, and has a lot more in-house stuff to show off.
PS4 having the most anticpated upcoming games is subjective, especially in the case of multiplats that players could get elsewhere instead. [PC primarily]
And it's an even tougher statement if you're just comparing first party exclusives, which have always had Nintendo as the king.
Don't get me wrong; I'm sure TLOU 2 is going to be an AMAZING game. The story has a lot left to tell and I expect to see all of the drama and action I learned to love from the original.[Hopefully with less child death, though...that got me sad...]
But there's no way I'm going to be looking forward to that more than, say, Metroid Prime 4 or Smash, let alone any other surprises Nintendo's SURE to have in store.
Sony is only showing 4 games this E3 and already announced games. Switch is now in its second year and while they said they would mainly focus on 2017 titles,doesn't mean they don't have some surprise announcements plus show the new Fire Emblem and a Bayonetta 3/Metroid Prime 4 trailer. Might even see the rumored Ridge Racer 8. Smash will be mega hype regardless.
Their stock is in free fall and investors are worried. Sony is outselling them again with a huge list of exclusives that are well beyond the abilities of the Switch. Sorry but not excited over a new Smash Bros or any other pending reads for it Our Switch gathering dust just like the Wii U before it. Meanwhile God of War and Detroit are in heavy rotation as well be Spider Man, Last of us 2, and Days Gone.
It's all preference. Same thing could be said about PS4. Mine has been gathering dust since I finished God of War in 2 days and I've never had any interest in interactive movies. Days Gone is not previewing well so that's a little worrisome.
I haven't been able to put down my Switch with Donkey Kong, Bayo 2 and Bloodstained. Switch also has many exclusives coming this year, Octopath traveller, Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem and I'm sure more will be announced at E3.
BTW, stock rises and falls all the time. You actually think investors are worried when Pokemon and Smash are still coming this year? I don't think so.
free fall? are you serious. Their company is worth billions upon billions. You may not be excited for Smash or Pokemon, but believe me, the rest of the world is. Watch how many millions those games sell.
Pfft.XD A lousy 5% is not "freefall", and investors have sold stock over Nintendo refusing to make games for phones, where they could charge customers for the ability to make Mario jump higher. [And yes, that's a legitimate thing. Look it up.]
Stocks rise and fall quite frequently; by this time a few months from now, they'll have quite easily recovered, and probably even sooner if E3 is as good as people are predicting it will be for Nintendo.
Nintendo just outsold both Sony and Microsoft 2 to 1 over in Japan recently and their exclusives keep Nintendo in a high profit margin, frequently hitting over 1M in multiple places.
Sony's "huge list" of exclusives is not far and away above Nintendo's list, and being above the Switch's technical limitations doesn't automatically make them better games than, say, Metroid Prime 4 or Smash, let alone any other surprises that Monolith or Retro may have for the show.
Hard for Nintendo to steal the show when the majority of what people will be talking about are games arriving on PS4.
Switch’s upcoming library doesn’t outnumber the exclusives and multiplats set to release on PS4.
quantity is not greater than quality though. But I agree, Sony has a bunch of great games coming. Nintendo needs to pull out a few surprises this E3 since we don't know much about what is yet to come.
Don't have shown all their cards. Nintendo always have something up their sleeves.
A mini N64 would win E3, in my book...
Steal the show ?, they haven't win an E3 show since decades ago and with a old specs hardware like the Switch there's nothing interesting will surface from that thing, and no people just showing 1 game like Zelda or Mario did in the past two e3 shows is not a meaning of a good E3 presentation is actually pretty sad just need a bit of common sense to understand it, I mean seriously last E3 you literally went crazy for just a Metroid Title screen, yes a title screen! and some Nintendo fans think it won that E3 because of that?, omg! I'm sorry but that is so so sad to see.
Come on Nintendo fans I know you can do better than that!
Switch's reveal beat the shit out of everything last E3.
I know you're bitter against Nintendo, but wake up and smell reality; the only one who hates Nintendo to the point that they'll pretend they've never won an E3, around here, is you.
Nintendo has won some E3s but none recently. Switch reveal was like "oh here we go again ". Hardware doesn't matter to me.
There was one E3 where Nintendo dropped 6 or 7 games that year for the wiiu. Maybe 2010. That show stood out. Nothing they have done since has matched that...
@InTheLab
So they didn't win last year when MS was basically showing nothing but 3rd parties and Sony basically showed more of what we had already seen, and knew was coming (and in some cases still not gotten)? Nintendo had a great presentation last year, especially so when you consider the bashing that was going on with it being only 30 mins long.
And if they didn't win then who did lol?
There was an article on here a few days ago about hos this E3 is Microsoft's to lose...Either you guys change your stance every day or you don't pay any attention to the articles you post. SMH. Can't wait until you guys post another article saying it's Sony's E3 to lose...
Smash’s creator, Masahiro Sakurai, doesn't want Smash Bros. to be a competitive fighting game. The e-sports community that has grown up around the title feels differently.
any1 else notice yoshi on the tree lol
Surprised nintendo hasn't ask that site to remove that video yet.
Imo, it looks like they just upgraded the TP character model and didn't really use the SS model. What to I mean? Well Both TP link and Smash bros 4 link have that leather thing on the left arm. IIRC, SS link doesn't have that. SS pants are a lot more poofier too. Minor details, yeah, but the major detail missing from this SS link are the tools and the watercolor look to him.
HD link still looks great. Not mad or disappointed that they're just using updated brawl models, it's the best option since they want to release the game next year. Then again...I'd want then to take more time to add a bunch of new content and EXCLUDE Disc Locked Content. I don't want day 1 DLC for this game or any of that crap. If there is Disc locked content in Smash bros 4, I will hack the game to get all that stuff.
Screw DLC! I want a COMPLETE game like Brawl and past iterations.