Xbox 360 dashboard update raises game prices

New Xbox 360 dashboard update rids Microsoft points, but charges you more!

[Kingthrash360]

ms executive:" hey lets thank our loyal customers by ridding the msp and converting it back to 'real' money....but since they like to be wallet raped so much we will raise the prices on games!" ms customer losing campaign continues...

[tw0qwk]

lol $2 difference. plus its the same price as psn... lol

[HammadTheBeast]

Nope.

[Campy da Camper]

You are missing one key point. Xbox owners pay for live then buy game in xbl for new price. PlayStation owners pay for plus and get BIG discounts on games for sale on psn.

All the plus bashers forget its not just the games we "rent" each month but the huge discounts on most purchases.

[kraigslist_killa]

That's two Arnold Palmers bro or a honey dutch. 2 bucks go a long way.

[pixelsword]

Is that prostitute talk?

[DonFreezer]

Yup delusional ps drones.Nma ethe prcies or shut the fuck up ps drones.

[Kryptix]

Expect Microsoft to say that it was a mistake...after seeing the lower game sales report at the end of the month. lol

[nukeitall]

Didn't people want currency?

Well you got it, and the price was raised to match PSN!

Congratulations, you got what you wanted and screwed everyone else.

I have been saying all along, with points, content where cheaper. I was also cheaper to buy points on sale, so that made it doubly cheap.

but hey, now you got the convenience of your own currency! Enjoy it!

[Kryptix]

The thing is that they didn't know that it would slightly raise prices. Microsoft could of made it clear that if they do this, prices will raise by a small percentage and try to keep it how it was. It's still a beta, they can still turn it back but since they already announced the change...I doubt it will happen. Whichever one they go for, they will get some backlash. Either be considered liars or thieves. Like I said, they should of explained it, but knowing Microsoft more now, even something simple like that wouldn't be clear.

[nukeitall]

@Kryptix:

What is there to explain?

Just look at the prices between PSN and XBL, and we see the prices are raised to match PSN.

What do you think MS would do? Give you free money?

MS don't get to be a profitable multi-billion company being a charity.

You asked for it, you got it!

Don't ask for it, if you didn't know what you were asking for.

Anyhow, thanks for pissing in the pool for the rest of us even though you weren't using the pool!

[SilentNegotiator]

How is it gamers' fault that Microsoft decided to increase prices?

[S2Killinit]

@nukeitall
you are assuming that people saying they prefer to know how much they are spending is the same as saying raise the prices. MS could have kept the prices lower if they wanted to and still switch to currency. Don't put it on consumers, this is MS.

[PSVita]

"You get what you pay for" oh wait no, you'll get the same.

[DonFreezer]

Yeah that the problem when a company listens to the gamers of the competitive product and not their own.They probably heard ps fanboys crying aout paying more and not using points and they made that to their customer base.

[nukeitall]

@SilentNegotiator:

"How is it gamers' fault that Microsoft decided to increase prices?"

MS didn't decide to price it higher, because content holders want parity on price for the most part.

With points that is obscured, and now it isn't and prices are raised to match the competitor.

You asked for it, because you couldn't figure out the value of your points so deal with it!

[CommonSense]

A few weeks ago i got 1200 points for 5 bucks during a sale. I stocked up, but i should have gotten even more. Got State of Decay for about 8 bucks though, so that was pretty sweet.

[tigertom53]

prices are the same here in the usa

[dark-hollow]

Yeah let's NOT read the article at all!

You people bitched about ms point? Now you got this. Xbla was always cheaper than psn due to the unified prices with the points but no there is now points and the prices MATCHES the psn one.

But oh yeah, never mind just continue on your M$ IS EVILZ parade.

[lex-1020]

So please tell me where this "unified prices" comes from. Because I'm fairly sure this: http://n4g.com/news/1308053...

Proves your argument wrong.

[1Victor]

I Don't Blame Microsoft For Rassing The Prices They Have To MakE Up The Mone For Those "Free Games" They're "Giving"

[BattleTorn]

You are so official!!

[1Victor]

LOL It's A JK We All Know Microsoft Don't Need Money They Have Their Own Presses

[Hello_World]

Lol! This is why I'm going PS4 next gen. It's to the point where even the hardcore Xbox fanboys know what they're dealing with, it's just will you allow them to treat you this way? And the fact that PS4 genuinely looks better and is cheaper. Common sense.

[FinalFantasyFan]

@mewhy32

"However, we need competition in the market."
But with the way micro$oft are now doing things, they're not providing any competition whatsoever.

[nosferatuzodd]

Why you think they called them microshaft I got shaft by windows me vista and 8 never again

[jeffgoldwin]

SO you going to protest them buy continuing to buy windows 7. Um ok, that'll teach em.

[nosferatuzodd]

listen dude i use a mac i don't use windows you should listen to the story before you type

[FanboyCrusher]

They've already stated it's a beta mistake, and the differences between the actual price and the mistake price will be reimbursed. Shut up fanboy, that last thing this site needs is more fanboy idiots like you.

[YNWA96]

They are fixing and refunding anyone who paid too much.... Hang them..... PS3 update bricked many.... Lets continue jerking off to Cerny pictures!!!! Sums it up here......

[nosferatuzodd]

so does Xbox lol and the thing is Microsoft system that got brick stayed brick it cant be fix atleast Sony system was fix what you have to say now oh buddy boy

[showtimefolks]

defensing MS is not only stupid its also widely absurd, most if not all their products lack what their consumers want

[MxRBrobaFett]

Defensing... Not only stupid... Defensing...

[lex-1020]

@miDnIghtEr20C_SfF

What does his computer have to do with anything? Microsoft video games =\= windows os. Sure as a whole Microsoft does over charge for products but Xbox has nothing to do with Windows, and quite frankly Windows is the most supported computer operating system. Most things are made for windows, games included (look at Steam and compare windows games to mac or linux games). So refusing to use Windows because you don't support Microsoft's policies on Xbox is like shooting yourself in the foot because your arm hurts. It's two very different things that are operated and run by two very different Presidents, VPs, and Board of Directors.

[_FantasmA_]

That's the difference between M$ fans and Sony fans. Sony fans still keep their eyes open and will tear Sony a new one when they see something wrong (go the US PlayStation blog every monday if you don't believe me). M$ fans could have their house set on fire, their babies eaten by Don Matrick, and their console can RROD 7 times and Xbots will still brag about how Live is t3h best!

[CRAIG667]

There appears to be some general confusion about Xbox Live's real-world pricing and point conversions for those currently in the company's beta program. We've received tips of prices having both favorable and negative exchange rates, so we followed up with Microsoft to find out what's going on.

"We are aware that select regions experienced some incorrect game title pricing in the Xbox Live beta. This was an unintended error that we are in the process of fixing," a Microsoft spokesperson informed Joystiq. "We'll be reimbursing impacted beta participants for the difference in what was paid and what the price will be after the update is available to all members.

"Of note, beta programs give us a chance to test, fix and correct issues like this. As with all betas, we take the learnings from our program and make corrections and adjustments prior to the update being available to all members. As always, we appreciate the participation of our beta customers in helping us launch and build great products."

The company previously told us Xbox's conversion to local currency will be "equal or greater" than the existing Microsoft Point value

[awi5951]

HEY STUPID PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. IGN,1up and all the games media complained about points and like stupid gamers they didnt looke at the consequences. Microsoft points was a TAX LOOPHOLE no points you pay more because now microsoft has to pay taxes on these games its all every who complained fault so enjoy your higher prices you idiots that complained about the microsoft points.

[Kingthrash360]

so your ok with the rich exploiting tax loopholes? this is their choice not ours. theyve made their consumers distrust and dislike them. not our fault ..they got caught trying to rape gamers wallets and now they are paying the price. EVERYTHING they do from now on is under a microscope... good or bad..... and it all their fault.

[awi5951]

@Kingthrash360

The tax loop hole was saving us money not microsoft the points cost less than actual money. NOW they are charging us tax do you really think they are going to take the hit thats why the games are higher. That is why Eve online has fake money because some players have corporations worth 25 thousand dollars if they didnt have fake money The IRS would be up their ass. Why are gamers so stupid they comment without knowning anything about the subject.

[WilliamH]

Yet another dickhead move by MS, what the fuck is going on over in Redmond.

[die_fiend]

It's run by people who know what you like

[Cam977]

They were trying autofellatio, got stuck and had to call Bill's mom to run the company. To this day their balls remain in their stone-dry mouths.

Their nose is now their primary material-entry point. Bill's Mom kindly bought them some straws to help them drink and eat their blended McDonald's Big Mac meals.

[dark-hollow]

The dickheads are the whiny babies who cried about ms points "omgzz I have 20 points left I can't do anything without it!!"

Due to conversion rates the ms points where universal across the world so the prices were cheaper than the psn. Now they are in line with the psn prices due to using real currency.

You asked for it, you get served.

[WilliamH]

It only took them 7 years, MS points were deliberately confusing so they could rip off people a little here and little there. Sony & Nintendo all the baby from now on!

[dark-hollow]

So damned if they do damned if they don't?

How this is a dickhead move removing something YOU ALL bitched about? By your own logic isn't Nintendo and Sony the dickheads for having more expensive prices since 7 years ago?

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

dark hollow your whats known as a try hard.

[HurstDarkStar]

How is it wrong to see what the points value is in real world money? You want to be punished for seeing what something means???holy^&*t dude your hardcore!!

[awi5951]

No your a dick microsoft was saving us from paying taxes. Now they have no choice to make us pay taxes now because they are using real money. You know nothing about the situation at all.

The whole purpose of microsoft points was avoiding having to charge consumers taxes its a typical move by game makers thats why Eve online has a fake currency because some players have corporations worth 20 thousand dollars do you really think the IRS is not going to come after you if they know you have a online account worth 30 thousand dollars. We had law makers a few years ago trying to tax people in second life because people were making crazy amounts of money online the fake money is a pass for online transactions to avoid taxes.

[vikingland1]

The article says it puts it in line with PSN prices? So it was cheaper before? I'm confused.

Edit; if it's the same price as PSN games then what's the big deal?

[CustardTrout]

Due to conversion rates; MSP was universal so games could be cheaper but it was less flexible.
With the flexibility games are now on par with PSN games

[GodGinrai]

Yeah,I read that part.still sucks they they bump the price though. for a company that wants us to go digital, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

[S2Killinit]

because it was universal, it would have been cheaper for some countries and more expensive for others.

[awi5951]

PSN charges tax xbox doesnt microsoft points let us avoid taxes on our online purchases guess what you are going to have to pay taxes now and it causes games to cost more.

[awi5951]

Its because of taxes with real money. With the fake microsoft points it was cheaper because they werent charging us tax. Playstation charges tax thats why xbox games had to go up in price.

[FanboyCrusher]

The guy who wrote the article found this? Wouldn't be surprised if his account got banned, it was against the agreement to speak about it anywhere except the private forum for the beta.

[hadouken007]

The hell, ? u can't speak about it or your banned ?

[1nsaint]

Lol it's true, when you sign up for the beta, you have to sign a NDA which says if you leak info you will be banned from xbox live untill the beta ends.
Plus you will be on a black list for future betas :p

[MxRBrobaFett]

Exactly what 1nsaint said. We all had to agree to a non disclosure agreement when we signed up for the beta and we aren't supposed to discuss anything about the beta anywhere outside of the official forum. That being said I'm not even here and have never heard of this currency change or... What's an Xbox?

[Mikelarry]

like they don't have enough heat on them. the person making the vital decisions at ms need to be checked as everything they have been doing lately is not doing them any favors

[Benjammin25]

Where does it stop MS? If you want to continue digging your own grave, go right ahead. But this is getting embarrassing to watch at this stage.

[_FantasmA_]

I enjoy actually. I feel no pity for them and they deserve it. Bring down this corporation!

[Pascalini]

Bf3 premium 45 pound now

With 4000 ms points it was 35 pound

Wow

Edit - on psn it's 39.99

So how is this online with psn? Microsoft annoying me again- they haven't done one good thing for Microsoft users for a long time apart from annoy us

[Bluepowerzz]

you shouldnt have jumped ship 6 years ago this is what you get.

[IcicleTrepan]

They're both too expensive

[thrust]

Oh no $2 more! That's it am not getting the Xbox one now!

[Kryptix]

lol You were still going to get an Xbox One after all the bs last month? Yea, it's people like you that makes Microsoft do whatever they feel like, just accept everything they do.

[thrust]

Could not care about the other stuff, it did not affect me in anyway, yes I have it pre ordered can not wait for the new Xbox.

Am also looking forward to live being a nicer place, all the whiners and cheapers gone over to psn, hehe

[omi25p]

Im getting both so shush.. Better Exclusives on X1 and Better online.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

thrust + 11h ago
Oh no $2 more! That's it am not getting the Xbox one now!

Stick to your xbox we dont want annoying kids like you on psn for sure.

[d_dogg2007]

@thrust: Man you got some piss poor taste in gaming if your buying an xbox one!

[Animal Mutha 76]

I'm gonna spend the 900 msp I have before getting the beta update.

[theWB27]

The author rages about the prices and says this is a final F you from Micro. Then tells us at the end that this only puts the price in line with PSN prices. Shouldn't he be raging at Sony for charging more for this time? Oh wait...it's Micro so lets act like something wrong was really done here.

All the posters that agree with this drivel are just as >insert insult here< as this author. Seriously how can this story stay on the front page when it's obvious trolling? Beyond me.

[vikingland1]

The headline should have said MS raises price to equal PSN prices, since all that people do is read the headline anyways.

[GodGinrai]

I agree viking. its a small hike anyways. I just think it would be more advantageous to them to keep the prices as they were. it actually makes the games seem cheaper on XBL. which in turn would get people to buy more games.

and of course as consumers..cheaper is cheaper. and everybody loves buying games cheaply. lol

[Tres21]

i just wish there was a way for them 2 keep the points & the cash. xbox cant win someone whines that there being wrong so they change their stance then the ppl who were fine cuz it wasnt affectin them hav to go along with the change while the ppl whinin act lik they didnt kno it was gonna change something else most thing hav a positive side & a negative ppl should prob look into them be4 ppl go whinin about it.

[Campy da Camper]

You're not factoring in plus users get a huge discount on game purchases. You pay for live I pay for plus, you're new price is 45 mine is 30 with plus discount. We both keep game forever. You have to pay for live I can stop paying for plus and still play game forever.

[_FantasmA_]

PlayStation Plus and the weekly deals are something M$ can't compete with long term. Leave the sinking (or sunken already) ship behind. Get a PS4, or a Wii U or a PC, or anything but an xbox.

[theWB27]

I'll be getting an X1 first and if I can in the future a PS4. I don't see this sinking ship you do. Or maybe you're feeding into this mess on N4G.

You say to get a WiiU when that system is out and sinking faster than anyone would have ever thought. I prefer the Xbox brand over Sony. It's going to take a helluva lot for that to change. Playstation has never been my system.

[_FantasmA_]

The Wii U may be sinking but it offers those unique Nintendo games that Nintendo has been pumping out for years. I may get it, I may not. Thats not the point. Just buy anything, but an xbox. Are you really that blind? How many middle fingers does M$ need to rub in your face for you to realize what they are doing.

[Geezus]

pretty much this >>> "It's now the same price as the games are on psn. Conversion to real money means paying the local price instead of the universal "points" price."

[nick309]

People just love getting on the ms flame train, lol.

[lex-1020]

People love getting on any flame train, it doesn't matter if it's Microsoft, Sony, Steam, Nintendo, Apple, Dubstep, Origin, whatever. Anything that the majority hates, they hate.

[green]

All of us that defended the points system knew that not paying VAT and rip offs we get when currency is converted were benefits of the points system. Also, deals on points could be found easily on the web resulting in you buying games far cheaper.

Now all this is gone which has resulted in prices going up and they now find something to moan about again.

[Geezus]

exactly i loved Microsoft points for the mere fact that you can get them on sale it was worth the minor inconvenience of having to go out and get them but now with real money.... you know. people always find something to bi--- about ruining all the good things

[fr3d0]

and the xbox death spiral continues

[d_dogg2007]

Good let's hope it disappears forever and doesn't come back! Nobody wants to deal with the cancer that is Xbox anymore!

[SOM3ROiD]

is this update safe for the consoles with the LT 3.0 flash?

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Ok. So prices are even with PSN. But now articles are stating that X1 & PS4 prices will be higher in the UK also (this is what EA is saying).

http://www.justpushstart.co...

[Geezus]

Europe always gets the shaft from all of the consoles...

[DARK WITNESS]

because our governments tax the F"6!!k out of everything.

[Steak_Monster]

Our money's worth more on the exchange rates, that's the problem

[Pascalini]

@Som3roid I don't think you should come on here talking about piracy-

your actually a good reason that prices rise.

[SOM3ROiD]

Yeah, well.. like your favorite company M$ would say: "Deal with it."

[Stryfeno2]

Why did they get rid of points? Now I have to pay PSN prices? Thank you fanboys, thank you.

[WitWolfy]

Wha?!?!? You do know PSN prices are far cheaper than XBL's right?

[monkey602]

I think it depends on your country. I find psn much cheaper in Ireland. But in other areas its the more expensive service

[stage88]

Wouldn't expect anything less from Microsoft.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

People hated on points for years...now they bitch because exchange rate realities hit because they get rid of them. Game prices are right in line with PSN prices now across the board. Beware of what you wish for...

[B1uBurneR]

XBL price matches PSN price = evil MS? Wow.. how easy it is to point out the Sonytards from these comments

[Campy da Camper]

Er no. You pay for live and xxx amount for digital game. I pay for plus and game is about half what you now pay. I can stop paying for plus and still play game.

[B1uBurneR]

yeah you missed the point tard

[Wikkid666]

No it doesn't.
400 MSP = $5
New Price is $4.99

[BattleTorn]

Bu bu bu But State of Decay was only 1600MSP before the update, and now it $19.99!!

/s

[OC_MurphysLaw]

1600 pts = $20 US... or was that sarcasm? :)

edit.... totally missed the /s.

Bubble for the sake of giving.

[GurlPleaseBye]

Hmm... I had 400 msp and it converted to $4.99 so I'm not too sure How prices being even to PSN warrants negativity. Child..I can't with you folks. I just can't...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The unknown secret is UK users actually were getting games cheaper on XBLA with the point system....once they converted to a monetary system proper exchange rates were applied. ...so UK users see this as a price increase instead of the prices being leveled out properly.

[BattleTorn]

@^above^ #22.1.1

Thanks :D

[Convas]

The same trolls who laughed at MSP now say MS is making dick moves by giving them EXACTLY what they wanted.

The hypocrites on this site should be easily viewable.

[kewlkat007]

Damn another thing MS had good, you can always get MS points on the cheap, well forget about that now...

Thanks sony and MS fans for making a big deal about points..

We f@#4ked up..

[xActionBasturdx]

Again...the same assholes complaining about the price increase are the same ones that bitched about the points system. Well guess what...dont cry now.

You guys really dont know a good thing when you see it do you. The point system was perfectly fine.

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!

[Cueil]

it's been fixed... money refunded... that's just the life of a beta tester

[A_Gamer]

Wow. Ouch.

[True_Samurai]

Prices are the same in the US. Well there goes my ms point generator lol

[Grown Folks Talk]

"Oh noes. They converted prices to our ACTUAL currency like they said. Now we have to pay taxes on our purchases. We don't want what we want!"

[humbleopinion]

That's why I always loved and defended the points system. It god rid of stupid currency conversion overhead, and you could even get it at a serious discount because it wasn't considered "real" money: I actually got 10%-20% discount on average when buying points on sales.

But no, people complained and wanted to see "real" money because it's too confusing and disorienting to convert in your head 10$ to 800 points.
Well, just like the no-digital propaganda, you (actually we) reap what you saw...

[UnHoly_One]

People are idiots.

That pretty much sums up everything.

[BattleTorn]

While I agree with what you said.

I personally never got MS points at that much of a discount, and being in Canada there was stuff priced differently (more points) when it costed us the same dollar per point

[GusHasGas]

Good thing I bought L4D2 and The Orange Box on the XBLA Marketplace while they were on sale

[No_Limit]

Can't believe N4G with these crazy comments. Now you pay $20 for points, you'll get $20 in virtual money or 1=1. Even grade-school children can figure that out. Since this was already announced back in E3, Why N4Gers seem so shocked?
You people asked for it, and by god, it will be here in November.

If MS would have given free points out, you people will find a way to troll. get real, people.

[swerve121]

It was probably a mistake

[Tzuno]

Welcome to the future that you slowly created HUMAN!!!

[dlocsta]

This is a dumb article and fanboy bait. The MS points are 80=$1. The conversion the article speaks about means nothing because by charging dollars vice points MS more easily sets its price point in each region where as with the point is was a singular point system for all regions. Yes it sucks that they can more closely regulate their price structure but does Sony charge the same price for games in the UK as they do in the U.S.? Thought not. The U.S. prices are exactly the same.

[Phoenix76]

I belive that the real reason why Digi-Downloads on Xbl are now the same price as PSN is all down to the games publishers.
They are the one's who dictate the standing price of a game on these services, whilst MS and Sony only receive only a small fraction of money merely for allowing for advertisement of said game.
As such, price control is out of their hands.

[McScroggz]

This is just sad. What's worse are the people defending Microsoft Points:

"Yay…another idiotic, misinforming flame article.

MS…and smart XBOX owners…have always defended the points system, because this is what happens when you convert to local currencies. Fanboys and morons will bltch regardless, because it’s MS, and it can be twisted into something negative. But the fact is, Sony has been doing this to gamers for YEARS, and nobody was complaining. Now I’m pissed at all the whiny little f@gs who ruined it for those of us who knew what we were getting, and how to capitalize on the system. I can no longer buy up MS pt cards from Amazon and Newegg, when they’re on temp discounts.

F’ing idiots…."

Just, wow. Now this is an Xbox fanboy.

[Shellcase]

It's was a error with the beta. It will be fix soon watch. A lot of Sony fanboys quick to hate lol.

[ziggurcat]

wasn't this debunked as being an error on MS's part, that was also corrected?

[ziggurcat]

@ the disagree...

uh, it was, you twit:

http://venturebeat.com/2013...

[Ben12]

would everyone please shutup. im so sick of nfg and all you ps fanboys watching and bashing every little move Microsoft does. Sony screwed you guys to, with making you pay for psn. if you don't like it just shutup and go play ps4 damnit.

[ziggurcat]

hate to break it to you, but they're not making people pay for PSN. if you don't give a crap about multiplayer, you can still access the social media apps, or watch netflix/hulu/youtube/etc... without PS+.

also the value you get from a PS+ subscription (because it also includes free games, heavy discounts, beta access, and so on...) is phenomenal. what value do you get with a XBL gold account? you can access the things you're already paying a monthly fee for, and... well... that's it, really.

[S2Killinit]

LMAO god damn it Microsoft... I feel bad for xbox owners. No joke, MS just doesn't give a F**K

[Shaaunyb]

Anyone know if the points get credited to your account as money? Or we lose them all ?

Kinda suck if you had 3000 and lost them

[redcar121]

it the same as psn if anything psn been ripping people off

[SynestheticRoar]

Is this a new way of doing PR for Microsoft.

[plaZeHD]

Stupid Microsoft

[Godmars290]

Its that centric American market thinking showing its ugly head again.

[Elit3Nick]

wow MS said that it was a mistake like 2 hours ago and that they were fixing it and refunding the difference, you see this article yet you miss the more recent one explaining this, the people on this site...

[lex-1020]

I think the real problem with the point system stems from left over points. I've had 80 points ($1usd) for over 2 years, cause it's not enough to buy anything and I have to get points in set increments. So if a game was 800 points ($10usd) I would have to buy 800msp and would still have 80msp left over. If they could make it where I only had to buy 720msp ($9usd) than I don't think people would really have much of a problem.

[Bowzabub]

Yeah, this doesn't effect me at all on my PS3.

[SonyPS4]

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[OC_MurphysLaw]

So ... this is debunked...it was an error on the BETA rollout. Thats what Betas are for...to catch errors. Beta testers that bought anything at higher prices are being reimbursed the difference.

There is no news story here other than a beta test of something having a hiccup. Yet because somebody decides to break NDA and not check with the actual company involved about what is going on this spins into something when its nothing.

BRAVO gaming journalism...BRAVO...

[DOOMZ]

UPDATE, its back to normal, the end....

[My_Outer_Heaven]

Sucks for you Xbone fans!.. PS4 The Win.

[Elit3Nick]

You obviously are not well informed...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Your statement applies to a majority of N4G

[keno]

Maybe I was doing it wrong this whole time but I thought it was like 400MS points=5$ 800MS points=10$ 1200MS points=15$ and 1600MS points=20$ so to me where paying the same amount but maybe I'M wrong and if so can someone explain please.

[mrmarx]

lmao xbox is a joke

[andibandit]

seems like stupid move by MS