Destiny PS4 Demo Used 'Super Secret Dev Kits,' Engine Gets all the 'Awesome out of Every Platform'

One of the most anticipated gameplay reveals at E3 2013 was that of Destiny from Bungie. They did a good job hyping the game before the event, but went crazy during the Sony Press Conference, showing the game off in all its glory.
- PSLS

[TrendyGamers]

Interesting, can't wait to play this next year.

Maybe they'll put a demo in Ghosts?

[HammadTheBeast]

Please no.

[irepbtown]

Yes to the no.

[Gamingcapacity]

A yes to the yes to the no

[DeFFeR]

A yes to everything except the demo in Ghosts.

[TrendyGamers]

Haha wow, wasn't expecting so many disagrees for that comment.

I just meant I wonder if they'll put a demo in Ghosts so they can help it get in the minds of as many people as possible.

[doctorstrange]

Stop mentioning Call of Duty on the internet. Disagrees will follow.

[Parapraxis]

This is a BUNGIE game.
It will be direct competition for the Call of Duty franchise.

[LackTrue4K]

You'll get double the disagree if you added "XboxOne" to your comment.
Lol

[karl]

its not a bad idea... the thing is that ppl like me who has no interest in a cod game may buy one just for the destiny demo..

and that would totally suck.. so pls noo.. any other game would be fine

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

lolol poor trendygamers. just trying to make a point, you poor soul.

[filipakos]

@onyoursistersback imagine saying "im playing cod ghosts on my xbox one" next gen

[MikeyDucati1]

I see what you're saying. Unfortunately members of this site respond to triggers and can't possibly view and judge your objectively.

[WeskerChildReborned]

Why? Ghosts ain't anything groundbreaking....like the past couple CODs...

[BDSE]

Perhaps they'll give us free leprosy with every copy as well? That would be just as awesome!

[listenkids]

@Parapraxis

Are you on drugs?

[zippycup]

there probably like me got so tierd of fps only one i play now is borderlands 2 and battlefield 3(because of psplus) so we wont be getting ghosts

[Nafon]

All CoD hate aside, game demos aren't normally in games anymore, it seems. at least not as often as they used to be. I think this fall would be a bit early for a destiny demo, too.

[C4BL3]

The only way to get a "Demo" is to go to Bungie.net and sign up for Beta.

[Wizziokid]

God no because then I would have to buy COD.

[N311V]

At first I thought you were crazy, then I remembered that Activision is publishing Destiny. This could well happen. Sorry I can't take back my disagree.

[knifefight]

And all the money out of my checking account.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Title to article is mis-leading. The Bungie.net manager doesnt say anything about a super secret dev kit engine.

Digital foundry analysis of Destiny ps4 that it has a low poly-count compared to COD Ghosts.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[doctorstrange]

Bungie: "What we took to E3 were our super-secret dev kits. Those are the hardware tools we’re using to make the game. If you thought that looked pretty, you can totally expect that level of polish on your PS4."

The title has a comma before engine...

[Thomper]

"Lever of polish" hmmmm what does that even mean...I hope he meant "detail"

[Thomper]

@larkman

So, you're following me now? I should be flattered, but you're a bit of a simpleton....I am, therefore, disappointed....

[windblowsagain]

Low poly Characters. Because they aint faces.

Halo has low poly everything.

I wish COD would die a horrible death.

[Foxgod]

Halo 4 won best graphics of the year awards....

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

That's exactly his point, when you are not rendering faces poly count will usually go significantly down without meaning the game looks bad, simply your models demand less polygons to achieve good quality.

[Ju]

Who cares about CoD. This and The Division are my high roles on my shopping list. And I go with KZ:SF over CoD and BF for my quick shooter fix. The same I did on the PS3.

The better visuals and a half open world aspect (bigger world which lets you choose missions instead of yet the same linear run through). And then followed by so many other games - AC:BF, Watch Dogs or inFamous or Drive Club. Can't play all those in the time I have. I am not sure if I like all this massive games. I have no time for all that.

I loved the Co-Op mode in R2 - and really a shame there hasn't been much like it since. Both those two seem to be just like what I want.

[SonyAddict]

Lol Eurogamer has bin shitting on PlayStation as far back as I can remember...I used to have an account on there and I seen it happen on a Dailey basis!.

[dbjj12088]

The sooner they show games on ACTUAL PS4 hardware, the happier I'll be.

[Maninja]

"If you thought that looked pretty, you can totally expect that level of polish on your PS4."

[DeadlyFire]

Well I expect that to happen at Gamescom.

[HammadTheBeast]

Infamous and Killzone are happy to help. And Knack too.

[iPad]

So it's safe to say the PS4 is the lead platform for Destiny?

[BattleTorn]

I'm a xbox fan, and even bigger Bungie fan...

Atm, I'd say it's safe to assume so.

[Mystogan]

There is no such thing as "lead platform" anymore, both use the same PC architecture.

[doctorstrange]

Yeah, they even phased out lead platforms this gen. Or, if they do have a lead plat, they don't tell anyone, as it turns into a massive deal.

[Ju]

"No lead platform" yes, "same PC architecture" no

[Foliage]

Xbox One will be the lead; you want to start with the inferior hardware. Then you can scale and apply the better technology on top of the Xbox one version to produce the better looking PS4.

The GPU in the PS4 is at least twice as powerful as the Xbox One; the RAM also puts the Xbox One to shame. The only place it can compete is the CPU: with that said; unlike the fictional power of the cloud; PS4 has already shown the benefits of being able to utilize their GPU for processes normally performed by the CPU. As they have ample power to spare on the GPU; the CPU will produce well ahead of the similar chip in the Xbox One.

[Reverent]

@Foliage, uh, that's actually the opposite of how it works. Developers start with the higher end technology because it is much easier to scale things down than it is to scale them up.

[Mystogan]

@Foliage

"The GPU in the PS4 is at least twice as powerful as the Xbox One; the RAM also puts the Xbox One to shame"

Are you drunk?

the GPU is supposedly 50% more powerful but they compared it to an off-the shelf GPU. The X1 GPU is custom-made, we don't know what it is really capable of. so it might be closer to 20%.

Also its been recently confirmed that the RAM is pretty much comparable if not faster then the PS4's RAM. The X1 is capable of 192GB per second while the PS4 does 176GB.

http://vr-zone.com/articles...

[jmac53]

@Mystogan the fact that MS hasn't released any specs other than 5 billion transistors and the execs saying hardware isnt everything is very telling that they have the weaker hardware.

[DoesUs]

Myst, only the embedded 32meg ESRam can reach that figure. The DDR3 setup still tops out at 102g BW. Don't spread misinformation.

[xxLuckyStrike]

Foliage

you lost all credibility and proved how clueless and misinformed most fanboys are. Your whole troll post should be pounded with a giant red "fail stamp"

[MysticStrummer]

There will always be a lead platform until all systems are exactly the same, which hasn't happened yet.

Also, 32MB of One's RAM have turned out to be faster than previously thought. The rest is just as slow as previously thought. You don't add the two together.

[Wizziokid]

I would hope so since it's the more powerful machine.

I don't want a repeat of last gen with Sony getting the crap end of the deal when it came to multiplats

[Pancit_Canton]

Only Naughty Dog can Maxout the PS4.

[iPad]

Very disrespectful to the other talented developers in the world.

[evenstar]

I don't see how that is disrespectful. It is an opinion.. as we are all entitled to.. There are a lot of talented developers out there.. and that being said, I have been playing Naughty Dog games since the PS1 and as far as immersion goes, there are no developers that are still in business, that beats them.. (okay, 2K comes close).... I have never rage quit a game as many times as I have while playing my second playthrough of The Last of Us.. but I cannot walk away from it...

[TrendyGamers]

They have some pretty stiff competition. Quantic Dream definitely seem to know their way around the system.

[fenome]

I don't count interactive cut-scenes as gameplay though. I'm still not a fan of QTEs as it is but I've grown accustomed to them through god of war and I think it was properly implemented in The Last of US. I guess I am biased though, I'm not a fan of Quantic Dream, never have been. They have great concepts and awesome ideas, they're just poorly executed in my opinion. And they think way to highly of themselves. I can't stand even listening to David Cage talk, he annoys the hell out of me for some reason..

Hopefully they can prove me wrong, I really do hope they make more than an interactive cut-scene, I'm intrigued by the concept of their next venture. I just personally don't have my hopes up on Beyond. It still seems like they skimped on the gameplay elements to tell their interactive story.

I want immersion, and I just haven't gotten that from them, so we'll see...

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Interactive cut-scene? You sound like you think their games are QTE after QTE, which isn't the case at all, you do a lot of exploring and puzzle solving, it's just for the few and far apart action moments they go with QTEs...

Have you even played an adventure before? The idea is not to have you running around kicking bad guys in the nuts or shooting terrorists, but instead to be using your brain to solve problems... Action moments play very minimal holes in adventure games and even when they appear the most usuall form involves making a fast decision on how to proceed with the fight, escape a trap, etc, not on having you doing the action yourself.

Of course, if you need to make a fast decision on how to fight, the obvious interface will be a 2 or more timed button prompts on the screen... I'll agree Quantic don't handle the specific fight scenarios the best (other action moments are ok), as you barelly make decisions in fighting, most of the time you simply get to "press X to dodge" or "O counter", while you could have, let's say, "press X to dodge, O to counter or [] to reach for gun" all in the same time to make it more decision based instead of just following the QTE, but even so it would still be multiple QTE, for a pure adventure game there's no way around it and I don't think they care about mixed Action Adventure (which is fine by me, there's tons of those kind of games out there).

[MizTv]

I would say they mastered the ps3 so why not the #ps4?

[Ju]

I still think KZ3 does so much more - and KZ:SF _is_ already impressive on the PS4. So, yeah, I'd add Guerilla to that list (not only PS4 - if you look at what Cambridge squeezes out of the Vita).

[cunnilumpkin]

"What we took to E3 were our super-secret dev kits."

-read;
- pc's that probably play the game at higher settings than ps4 or xbox1 ever will dream of

holding out for official pc announcement, much rather play on that!

[sweendog]

Are you one of the many mid range pc owners that see console/high end pc comparisons and claim a pc win. My best mate spent nearly £1500 upgrading his pc to play crysis 2 (which took him a further day to run the game). I asked him if he was looking forward to witcher 3 and he said yeah but will have to spend more for it to look how it should! Thats not even 1 generation, not even 1/4 of a generation.

[cunnilumpkin]

your friend is a moron

a single gtx 680 trashes everything the ps4/xbox1 will ever hope to display

its about $400

the ps4 and xbox1 will NEVER be capable of the visual fidelity a single gtx 680 is able to produce, heck a $200 660 ti craps on ps4/xbox1

[Reverent]

@cunn, yet no developer is EVER going to develop ANYTHING specifically for the GTX 680.

[sorane]

I gotta agree your friend is an idiot. My 5 year old backup PC will cost a whole $200-$250 to upgrade for this gen. Throw in price of games and not having to buy any accessories and it amounts to me saving hundreds if not thousand of dollars over an average console gamer this gen.....

@sweendog

[Tatsuya]

lol you butthurt son? Don't need to post your sh1t on a PS4 article. There's no need to start a war. I don't talk shit about my rig. Yes, we have one too, fool.

[PrimeGrime]

I am sorry but I have been working with computers for years and if you think one GTX 680 does anything really you are the moron my friend or seriously know next to nothing about computers in general.

Let me guess? You just buy expensive shit and call yourself an expert right?

Put that GTX 680 in a single core or dual core PC with shit RAM and see how far it gets you. It is always the most inexperienced PC users that think the GPU is the most important thing in a PC.

[Stryfeno2]

Are they talking about the awesome freezing? Bungee current gen already have that feature.

[TrendyGamers]

Awesome freezing? THat sounds like an oxymoron.

[supraking951]

watch Bungie have to limit themselves on PS4 just because MS has agreements with everyone that there version cant be noticeably inferior to the competitions version, happened on PS3 will happen again on PS4. LAME.

[Mystogan]

Source?

And btw PS4 games will not look Better then X1 games.
you won't notice any difference.

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

Mystogan he is telling the truth there is an agreement with developers for Microsoft that the games have to look equal for third party games this has been known for the past 3-4years

[No_Limit]

@TIER1xWOLFPACKx

Please provide link with actual evidence please.

[Elit3Nick]

I think there will be a difference, but it'll likely be so small that most people won't bother to compare

[GribbleGrunger]

Why would he require a source for a well known fact? Would he require proof that LIVE has crossgame chat? It's that well known. To those who don't avert their eyes that is.

I've tried to find it myself but getting the wording right is a nightmare. All I will say is that the policy was posted up in full on EVERY major site out there. The policy states that every game on Live has to be of equal or better than anything on PSN. This policy extended to ALL games ... I'm still searching and as soon as I get the wording right, I'll post it up. It has posted many times before in response to those who for one reason or another overlooked the headlines when they hit.

Edit: every search just turns up the X1, even when I put Xbox 360. Sod this, I give up.

Seriously people, what sort of a world are you living in when you disagree with a well known fact? This has been known for two years at least. MS even frigin' answered a query about it, saying that they wanted to guarantee their userbase the best possible experience. This is twilight zone stuff right here.

[No_Limit]

"Why would he require a source for a well known fact?"

Well, if the fact is so well-known, then there should be tons of sources, wouldn't you think? Even N4G doesn't have a link so it is just another conspiracy theory as far as I'm concern.

[GribbleGrunger]

You people deserve Microsoft. You really do. The level of denial is extraordinary. Is it a negative in your eyes that MS wanted to make sure YOU got the best experience on the 360?! THINK. THINK. THINK.

Thank God for that. Thanks RDF: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"Speaking in an interview with IndustryGamers, Sony's senior VP of publisher relations Rob Dyer argued that Microsoft's content submission and release policy stands in the way of innovation by denying multi-platform developers the right to exploit the PlayStation 3's high-end features."

Hopefully those that for some reason keep disagreeing will at least be informed next time it comes up.

[RDF]

I posted the links on my comment below,that should clear it up. MIcrosoft policy is that all 3rd party games must be the same or they will not get released on the 360

[rainslacker]

Took less than a minute with Google

From Chris Lewis, European Xbox Boss back in 2011

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Of particular interest

"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available," it reads.

"If these conditions are not met, Microsoft reserves the right to not allow the content to be released on Xbox 360."

This applies to live arcade games and major AAA releases. According to MS it's to ensure a "level playing field". And I wouldn't doubt that policy will carry over into next gen, unless first party titles become significantly better on PS4 over time, in which case 3rd party will fight it to be able to compete with them. Even today on the PS3, the best looking games are 1st party games for the most part, shows how bad this policy is.

[Ju]

I love that "ensure a level playfield" statement. Since when does MS care about that? Never did if it was in their favor.

I hope it's level enough with the next gen and plenty of hype for the PS4 that dev and pubs won't agree to that yet again.

[Rhythmattic]

It seems MS's contract has nothing to do with Graphic Fidelity at least.

[SpideySpeakz]

@rainslacker

So essentially, Microsoft is holding the gaming community hostage? Because of their weaker hardware, we will see not a great jump in graphic fidelity? Very sad to hear. Microsoft is basically holding the gaming community back with their threats in order to be more profitable.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Real gamers from both sides know M$ requires 3rd party devs to make comparable games, and that by making Playstation games noticeably better M$ has the right to not allow it on xbox. You only see big studios challenge this BC M$ still wants the AAA games.

[Mystogan]

"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available"

This does not have anything to do with graphics. and even with this contract there were still games that had PS3 exclusive features and content.

The reason PS3 games had shitty graphics was because Sony build a console that was a pain in the ass to develop for. Nobody was going to spend the extra cash to make them look on par, or they simply didn't have time for that. Don't try to blame Microsoft for that.

N4G blowing things out of proportion again.

[rainslacker]

Not really sure about hostage. I'd imagine 3rd party publishers would want a game to be pretty equivalent across all platforms they are developing for just to maintain level sales between the two. I know there have been some obvious exceptions this gen, but overall multi-plat games tended to be only slightly better either graphically or game play wise between one console or the other. We could spend all day pointing out scenarios, but basically comes down to a case by case basis.

When it comes to game play, for the most part, it should have parity between the two. Graphics I think are going to be harder to tell apart early in the generation, and I really am not up to spec on current/semi-current GPU's to be able to tell how it will make much difference. Others have stated so though.

For the most part, 3rd party games are going to almost always be on par with each other because of publisher interest, and will almost always release same day unless there is timed exclusive money changing hands.

I'm not sure how strict MS has been on the content parity as of late. I've noticed quite a few games that seem to have "Only on PlayStation" content within the past year.

Edit @Myst above

Content parity can be a couple of things. First the actual game content(levels, playable characters, etc) in the game. Second it could mean that graphics have to be at least on par between the two platforms. It's a reasonable assumption as MS wouldn't want Sony to have significantly better looking multi-plat games.

I won't argue the hard to develop for part, but realistically, after some of the amazing looking 1st party games that came out, and going on 7 years of PS3, can we really continue to blame the "hard to develop for" mentality? There are some 3rd party exclusive games that look better than other multi-plat games...like MGS4 which came out early in the PS3's life cycle, and is still one of the best looking games on console available today.

And no, I don't necessarily blame MS for that. That wasn't the reason for my original post asking for links

[KwietStorm_BLM]

You're gonna ask him for a source, then make that statement in the same breath?

[first1NFANTRY]

The Xbone needs to die in order for gaming to advance to new levels. M$ are a plague in this industry and i will continue to avoid them at every chance.

[LackTrue4K]

Lol...look @ all the HATE on Bungie now that they support the ps4!!!

Out of no where, gamers now have Doubt on Bungie...."cuz why?!?"

[Mystogan]

Uhm I think it's the opposite.

Look at all the love Bungie is getting from ps3 fanboys who hated them first.

[kenshiro100]

I don't think anyone was hating on Bungie.

[JackOfAllBlades]

@Firstinfantry That's the smartest thing I've heard on here in a while

[hakeem0996]

Super secret Dev kit ,i love it when people talk shit and another group are so eager to swallow that shit . There's no such thing as a super secret Dev Kit ,it's the same damn dev kit that everyone have .Also for the record Battlefield 4,Destiny ,the division and Witcher 3 and some others were Shown on PC not a super secret Dev Kit that a 3rd party developer magically got and the others don't . how stupid does that sound?

[BlasterGR]

I cant freakin wait!!! TITANS unite!

[Gamerchik87]

He is clearly talking about next gen consoles.

What we took to E3 were our super-secret dev kits. Those are the hardware tools we’re using to make the game. If you thought that looked pretty, you can totally expect that level of polish on your PS4. THE GREAT THING ABOUT OUR NEW ENGINE IS THAT IT LETS US SQUEEZE EVERY BIT OF AWESOME OUT OF EVERY PLATFORM.

[cyclindk]

Funnish looking..

Grass and terrain details still noticeably "popping in" as you move forward, ala Battlefield 3/Skyrim

Guess that was hoping for too much

Maybe second year games

[PFFT]

SUUUUUURRREE............ Super secrety secret dev kits. ERMAHGERD!

[Williamson]

Wasnt a fan of the game at first but the way they explain it as being able to do many things in the game has me interested.

[RDF]

@ No_Limit

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://eurogamer.net/articl...

I think that should help

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

@mystogan where in the hell do you find that much ignorance? Why would you ever think ps4 games won't look better?

Because if we look at this gen not one single Xbox game has the graphic fidelity that last of us does, not even close.

Multi platform games may not show much difference but Sony first party studios almost always outshine Xbox games.

[reko]

looks bad***!

[RDF]

As for Destiny. This game will be my go to game for the PS4. Even if TitanFall comes to Sonys machine I doubt I would buy it. Not because it came late but for the reason of having invested so much time on Destiny getting into TFall would be secondary.

[redwin]

I don't think the grafics where better than ghost, and something deflating about shooting a plasma rifle. Lol, I'll stick to shooting the rifles from COD. Plasma rifles get old early, trust me I played HALO before.

[SpitFireAce85]

How about you try BF4s rifles that have recoil
and not a spray and pray CoD crap.

[redwin]

I'll take your advice and play BS4, for what system.? I only played the first Battlefield and did like it much. I do remember playing Rainbow Six 3 in Xbox Live when I had the first Xbox and it was awesome . I loved the way the recoil and the reload felt.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

OK I trust you.

[JackOfAllBlades]

Grafics ? How the hell Will anyone take you seriously if you spell like a damned 5 year old??

[redwin]

It looks like I insulted you somehow but if you don't make relevant criticism you just come across as someone that don't know the difference between the dorsal pedis and the sacrum. So please, refrain from lecture me again unless it applies to games

[Kos-Mos]

We`re talking about graphics now, not gameplay or script, right?

[Lvl_up_gamer]

"Engine Gets all the "Awesome out of Every Platform""

MS cloud being utilized by Bungie, confirmed.

Destiny, like Titanfall, will have the best version on the XB1.

[JackOfAllBlades]

Oh god, these fanboys, shits getting feel in here. Like the PS4 won't use cloud computing? Already been confirmed it Will. And these cloud computed games, Will they be always online? Is this how Microsoft Will screw us by making most games always online by saying they need the cloud??

[BlasterGR]

You are joking right?

[PrimeGrime]

Gaikai. Enough said.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

LMFAO someone doesn't seem to know much about Gaikai/cloud/not even up and running nor is there an ETA when it will be.

Come back when you're not so ignorant on the subject

[oscarcat59]

Games on both consoles will look and play the same so most of this mine is better is rather pointless. I would prefer everyone raising hell on why ps4 and Xbox one consoles can't play online together on multi platform games. Would that be a much better deal for all?

[S2Killinit]

This will be the game I pick up with my PS4

[MikeyDucati1]

Can't help it. I'm buzzing on the Destiny hype.

[fingazblank]

Finally sony gets Halo. Will bungie ever be able to move on.

[MasterCornholio]

Sony gets Destiny not Halo. They are two different franchises.

Motorola RAZR i

[fingazblank]

It looks like halo, it play like a halo, its halo rebadged

[xxLuckyStrike]

Spin4g in full swing so why not

Up next "how PS4 cloud computing is more awesomer"

Xbox one final spec is supposedly @1.79tflops and PS4 @1.84tflops consoles performance not so different when all is said an done

The only problem with the X1 is the clueless greedy ship of fools calling the shots. MS should just sell xbox division if they can't get shit right.

[GodGinrai]

"Up next "how PS4 cloud computing is more awesomer" "

lol, you know this! suddenly all the cloud hyperbole means something now. It works when it suits them (N4G trolls). makes my lunch time more entertaining though.

[raytraceme]

1.79 tflops? link plz

[Blakhaze999]

I thought a next gen game from Bungie would look better than this. Next gen dont seem so.... next gen. Hopefully later on down the line we'll see developers truly "squeeze every bit of awesome out of every platform". Because it dont seem that destiny squeezes much out of the next gen when compared to some other titles. Im really considering building a pc.

[Adityac]

Lol 'super secret'

[despair]

Funniest title I've seen for an article in a while.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Their super secret dev kit is the PS4.