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EDGE: PS4 Vs Xbox One: Sony retains upper hand after Microsoft DRM U turn, say analysts

PS4’s lower price will give it the upper hand against Xbox One despite Microsoft’s decision to backtrack on its DRM policies last night, analysts have told us.

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BigFnHooters3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

The price.

And...

* The massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the weak Xbox One

+ The huge power advantage the PS4's very fast system RAM has over the outdated Xbox One's RAM
+ The 50 percent more powerful graphics hardware
+ The 2 gigs more RAM the PS4 has for games to utilize
+ The lack of any sort of Kinect crap running constantly

* The massive exclusive advantage the PS4 has over the Xbox One

+ Sony's gigantic first party studio line up compared to the Microsoft's tiny and casual shovelware focused first party studios
+ The amazing Japanese developer support for the PS4
+ The smaller developers flocking to the PS4

* Gaikai online service integration

* The upgradeable harddrive

* The small and elegant hardware design along with internal power supply instead of the ugly and bulky Xbox One with yet another giant external powerbrick

* The PS4 works in everywhere. The Xbox One only works in some parts of the world.

Themba763961d ago

i hate kinect stupid usher dance cam.

reaperofsouls3961d ago

I will never buy an xbox whilst kinect is mandatory. ** ARE you lisening M$

Sono4213961d ago

Does anybody here seriously think that Microsoft (One of the greediest corporations out there) will actually sell a product at a loss? Yea maybe after it's been on the market for years, but within the first 2 years of the console? No.. unless it does so bad that selling them at a loss is their only option.

pixelsword3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Every time you use kinect, a kitten dies.

It was on Kinect's website, honest!

J/K

zeee3961d ago

As long as they have Kinect, I will not buy another Xbox console. I just don't get along with this motion/voice control thing. I'd rather sit on my couch, and use physical buttons thank you very much.

Kinect is the most creepiest form of privacy invasion!

s8anicslayer3961d ago

I can guarantee you that by the time the xb1 releases there will be either an extra sku without the kinect or the kinect will not be a forced purchase included in the box. I can bet my bottom dollar Microsoft is scrambling right now and now that they had to swallow their pride anything goes with them.

Mainsqueeze3960d ago (Edited 3960d ago )

@BigFnHooters
Apparently you didn't watch Microsoft's e3 presentation, because I didn't see any "shovel-ware" games. In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony and zero of them were kinect only or kinect at all for that matter.
Oh and i'm not sure what you mean by the amazing Japanese dev support...MGS5, FFXV, and kingdom hearts 3 are all coming to Xbone. Plus Microsoft has their cloud working at launch when you have to wait till next year till Sony gets all of Gaikai's features which, from the looks of it, is going to be worse than Microsoft's cloud anyways. The price of the ps4 and the fact that it has much better hardware are super advantageous for the PS4 however, and that is why i will be purchasing one, plus Naughty Dog is awesome. But alas arguing with someone who doesn't know the facts is pointless. Not really surprised that someone so misinformed as you can get a "well said" on n4g though.

AedanClarke3960d ago

Wow, Mainsqueeze has more disagrees than agrees? Jesus Christ, this site is absolutely pathetic. I mean, honestly, the number of Sony fanboys here is outstanding. I don't support the Xbox One at all, but they honestly showed more exclusive games. That's a fact.

And the N4G mods apparently need to be replaced. If they can't even check their own damn facts before handing out "Well Said" bubbles (well, they hand them out to anyone that says anything disturbingly fanboyish to Sony, really), then what are they there for?

Jeez.

Kurt Russell3960d ago

All Kinect 1.0 did for me was annoy me online when playing with people using it as a mic,you'd hear there dogs barking, mums calling, crisps being eaten, beers being open, moronic laughter.

I think I will miss this one :)

insomnium23960d ago

@mainsqueeze

Ummm... you do know how the spread with core game/casual BS went with the x360 right?

" In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony"

Sooooo this means that MS will be pushing out more exclusive games than Sony? C'mon be real.

Cloud?! FFS could people please stfu about this buzzword already? Let's see it in action before we use it to try and gain ground.

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TesMgsFan3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

So PS4 rules right ?? xD

Divine3961d ago

i love @BigFnHooters's comment because its all facts no going around anything to try and be better. like xbox

KarrBOMB3960d ago

Hell yeah PS4 rules. The Kinect alone will keep people away. I have both systems currently, but only the PS4 this next generation.

Every single Xbone feature alone is enough to keep me away, so them changing the DRM, 24hr check-in, used game policy and now the price drop to $399 are just them scrambling to keep from losing too much ground. But the forced Kinect is still enough to make me steer clear.

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Haules3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

@BigFnHooters,
Nobody can argue with your comment! +bubble!!

Veneno3960d ago

I didn't catch a word of his comment. I was distracted by those big beautiful knockerz.

EasilyTheBest3961d ago

Microsoft has already made a big u turn on DRM who knows what will happen before release.
Microsoft have very deep pockets what if they go $299 on release and the 360 drops to $129 with Kinect.
I'm sure that's right there on the table if they really want to sell tons.

HammadTheBeast3961d ago

If they go to $299 you can easily expect them to go bankrupt at selling at that high of a loss.

Ingram3961d ago

they WILL go 299 if the first 6 months are catastrophic.
Wii U will go 199 this xmas for obvious reasons. Let's all wait and see.

MWong3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do. Unless they decide to remove the Kinect and Blu-ray drive. Which they cannot do, since even in the current gen there were spacing constraints.

If Sony is only making a $25 profit/PS4 @ $400, M$ has to be making probably $10-15 profit/XBone @ $500. If that since they are scrapping some features they were previously implementing. That's R&D money down the drain.

EasilyTheBest3961d ago

Mwong...

"M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do."

What are you talking about, Microsoft have the money to sell at a loss a big loss if they wanted too.
Sony hasn't got that option.

XabiDaChosenOne3961d ago

MS execs and share holders are already suggesting that MS sell off it's Xbox division, what makes you think that they are going to allow gaming division to blow through all of that money? http://www.geekwire.com/201...

Just because Microsoft as a whole has a lot of money does not mean they are going to allow the Xbox division by itself to blow through a huge chunk of it.

Not to mention since Apple and Google are spanking them in other business ventures you better believe that they are going to be penny pinching that money like Mr. Krabs himself.

EasilyTheBest3961d ago

Kobe, most generations have done this exact thing. Get millions of consoles out there and make a ton of money selling games etc.
Shareholders etc could equally love an aggressive stance as much as they wouldn't.

XabiDaChosenOne3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

First of all, generations dont sell consoles, companies do. Secondly in past generations companies took loses on consoles yes but the loses were manageable (except for the PS3s case). You are suggesting that they take at least a hundred dollar lost for each console sold just to match Sonys console and that's assuming they aren't taking a lose on the console already. People would have to buy 2 games at launch to cover the cost.

Kleptic3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

some of you are ridiculous...

2013 MS isn't 2005 MS...2005 was before Vista, before the Zune, and before the Xbox division's billion+ dollar public hardware beta...2005 was before Apple latched its hooks in and has been systematically removing mass quantities of market share...with a freaking expensive mp3 player. 2005 was before MS would blatantly ignore mobile connectivity and devices, and buy back into it with Windows phone...which is going no where, only barely edging the nearly bankrupt blackberry...Before they lost awareness of how people would use 'home' computers. Before Bing, before losses to botched Ford contracts, before more monopoly lawsuits, etc., etc., etc....

but yeah...When pressure is reaching an all time high from shareholders to finally axe a 'risky endeavor' that very few agreed with since inception...just cut the price nearly in half on the xbox one...that should work, right?

I'd love to see what would happen if some of you ever get to have any decision making within a publicly traded company...

tommygunzII3961d ago

Well said Kleptic. Someone is paying attention.

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MazzingerZ3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

What MSFT has yet to explain is how supposed "power of the cloud" will work now? Games can be played offline now, so:
-will you get an inferior version when offline?
-will the game be playable at all?
-will developers take into consideration that game can be played offline?
-or was it just a BIG lie(one more)to justify the obvious inferior specifications compared to the PS4

The X1 at this point feels more rushed than the X360 at its time, one can't get a clear picture of what makes it so special for that price and still XBLG restrictions, SONY has said that one account of PS+ enables all accounts in the console for multiplayer and play content, both purchased and PS+ Freebies and that you don't need PS+ to access services you already pay for (Netflix, Free-To-Play games, etc) that's a clear answer and way to let us know that PS+ is there for the value it offers rather than some lock to use internet services on X1 like on X360

Now that DRM is not there it and launching head to head, it's gonna be interesting to see how big the X360 installbase is, those millions today includes lots of RROD and backup units, myself owned 4 X360...not every X360/PS3 will uppgrade of course but ratio should be similar.

MSFT will now have an excuse to kill the X360 support since the "stick to the X360" to play offline is not needed anymore, they did't "hear" gamers for free...that will be their way to try to force people to upgrade, they will blame it on some XBL BS friendlist cap or Major Nelson not having time to blog both platforms.... but I can bet there are more X360 owners switching to PS4 than the other way around.

Perjoss3961d ago

the cloud is marketing bs, if it was a real boost to anything they would be showing it off like crazy, but what are they doing instead? they are just talking about its potential and how great it will be in future. Besides, many people experienced in games development have stated that they have no clue how this feature will improve anything.

I try to be as positive as I can usually, but I like to see proof when people hype something to be the next big thing, I've been fooled too many times (I am a huge fool after all) in the past by crap like this.

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MysticStrummer3961d ago

@Ed - What you're ignoring is how slow the cloud will be due to internet connection speeds. The kind of cloud computing MS is implying is merely PR talk, and will remain so for at least another generation, if not longer.

I see you're still sticking with your theory about the entire internet being overrun by Sony fanboys. The entire internet...

smh

THamm3961d ago

MS didn't listen to fans, they listened to sales figures. After seeing Sony overwhelm sales they switched and are trying to blame us the gamers. Even the pubs started jumping on PS4.

Cueil3961d ago

fans and sales figures are the same damn thing

THamm3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

No it wasn't until the sales figures that they started correcting the problem. They would've stuck it to the fans nonetheless. They didn't care what the fans thought

miyamoto3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

M$ has been Played by Sony.

Now I have seen the other side of Sony. They played with M$ this year on the palm of their hand. Sony has controlled M$ mind.

quenomamen3961d ago

Like the way you broke it down brah. For me its the price and power advantage and even though people say you wont even see the difference between rhe games I think we prob wont see the difference for the first year or so, we will in a couple of years as more and more devs take advantage of the power of the PS4. Remember this is not PS3 vs 360 power difference where looking at this time. This time its significant and I will not be surprised when we start seeing games running 1080p 60 fps on PS4 while same game doing 1080 or 720p 30 fps on X1. And no the cloud will not make up for that difference cuz both systems have cloud services.

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The Real Peter Moore3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Are you stupid? esram does not make it superior to the ps4. The esram gives the 1 102gb to 32mb, whereas the ps3 has 176gbs bandwidth to 8gigs, plus 1 has way more overhead than ps4. You're a moron and a stupid ass fanboy. The ps4 IS more powerful than 1, plain, pure and simple. But you wont believe that because you are so on MS nuts. And are obviously a hutring fanboy. Now stop spreading your fud every where, its not fooling anybody except yourself.

unicron73961d ago

@edonus- Are you smoking crack rocks? This isn't the first blatantly wrong comment I've seen you make on here. Just because you think it's a certain way, doesn't make it so. Like lying in the other thread about DualShock 3 internal batteries dying out quickly. STOP LYING.

The Real Peter Moore3961d ago

He's a young kid, i heard him talking about "his dad", that sounds like a kid to me.

DoesUs3960d ago

Incorrect Ed as the above have pointed out. Given your history you let yourself down on this one.

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Thomper3961d ago

Yep, all that, plus (allegedly) 2 more years of developments time in the bag....yet.... Strangely..... I saw nothing on ps4 that looked better that Xbox1's E3 line-up??

Bored of the graphics whores, like you. I am buying both consoles, but MS seems to be taking more risks in terms of innovation than Sony is.

Oh, and it's got Killer Instinct...Uuuulllttttrrraaaaa (fracking) Cooooommmbbbbooooooo!!

KwietStorm_BLM3961d ago

That's because Sony's studios are still at work, as you alluded to. Each studio have already spoken about new IPs. Other than Forza, Microsoft didn't show anything either. It was all third party.

dantesparda3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

So let me get this right, you speak of innovation then get excited for Killer Instinct, oh the irony

And what innovation? DRM? sharing games? (Sony's been doing that for years now), what the cloud? which sony alos has? what kinect? which sony has a motion sensing camera years before MS even thought of it, what innovation?

s8anicslayer3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Killer Instinct has not been around in years and its not even being developed by rare so why are you and so many people jocking that game like the game is a killer app? I can even bet that most users on here never even played the game but only hear about it as being a classic because older gamers like myself have played it and liked it in the past.

Thomper3961d ago

@datesparda. Someone needs to learn what irony means. That isn't ironic.

@s8anicslayerb. I'm 38, I know all about Killer Instinct. As for Rare not developing it...errrr... So? Even if they were, most of the individuals have moved on anyway, and by all (hands on) accounts, the game plays rather well.

DoesUs3960d ago

Innovation in software? Really? They may of shown more exclusives as PS devs have been working on PS3 titles, you know...supporting the current system. Nothing to play at the moment?

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Marceles3961d ago

Trust ruined it for me. If they can do this, no telling what'll happen in the future. It's great that they reverted back, but I don't want to instantly reward them for it.

kenshiro1003961d ago

Microsoft screwed themselves over. Its too late to back peddle.

Like I said, Don Mattrick should be fired.

buynit3961d ago

Don mattrick... Is that the guy that wears a tux with a t shirt under? If it is then yes get rid of him! The damn guy looks like he has no confidence in the console at all.

Wtf happened to the guys that launched the 360? Cause it cant be these same idiots.

KwietStorm_BLM3961d ago

So you're saying you prefer the Xbox?

strifeblade3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Yet multiplats look the same hmmmmm...

Massive power? im sorry but i cant see the graphical advantage in sony exclusives, not yet atleast. dead rising and forza look on par if not better.

Have you forgetten that xbox one has a highly customised cpu while ps4 is off the shelf? specs on xbox should perform better than what it says on paper.

GO ASK KOJIMA OR OTHER DEVS.

dantesparda3961d ago

Link please, cuz i have never heard of these mods the x1's cpu has. But i have heard of the mods Sony's APU has

BKsecret3961d ago

SONY GAMES

Guerilla Games Team 1 - Killzone Shadowfall
Guerilla Games Team 2 - Fantasy Setting game
Sucker Punch - inFamous Second Son
Sony Japan Team 1- Knack
Sony Japan Team 2 - Puppeteer
Evolution - DriveClub
Team Ico - The Last Guardian
Santa Monica - New AAA IP
Santa Monica Team 2 - God of War 4
Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4
Naughty Dog Team 2 - Last of Us
Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6
Media Molecule - Play Create, Share game (not a Move only game)
San Diego - MLB
SOE Team 1 - Planetside 2 port, DC Universe Online
SOE Team 2 - Everquest Next
Sony Japan PSN - Rain
Sony Japan Vita - Freedom Wars, Destiny of Spirits
Bend - Uncharted Vita 2
MediaMolecule Team 2 -Tearaway
Guerilla Camebridge - Killzone Mercenary
Team Siren - Gravity Rush 2
London - PS Eye game or SingStar
Giant Sparrow - Artsy PSN game
Novarama - inVizimals: The Alliance
Double Eleven - Frozen Synapse
Zindagi - Move game
Clap Hanz - Hot Shots Tennis game
Tarsier Studios - new IP, either PSN or Vita
SuperMassive Games - Until Dawn, and PS4 project
DrinkBox - PSN game
Housemarque - Super Stardust
Honeyslug - Hohokum (also on Vita)
Final Fantasy XIV (also on PC/PS3)
Abe's Oddyssey New and Tasty (also on WiiU/PC)
The Witness (also on PC/iOS)
Transistor
Daylight
Don't Starve
GalakZ
Contrast
Mercenery Kings
Octodad (also on PC)
Secret Ponchos
Ray's the Dead
Outlast
Warframe (also on PC)
Blacklight Retribution (also on PC)
War Thunder (also on PC)
Basement Crawl
Doki Doki Universe
Lords of the Fallen
The Pinball Arcade (also on PS3/360)
Primal Carnage
Project Heart and Soul
Rocketbirds 2
Shadow Warrior
Super Motherload
Tiny Brains

buynit3961d ago

Oh please! Not the damn game lists again!

Tiny brains... Really! Octodad... Lmfao you go ahead and enjoy that.

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Saksoy3961d ago

You sure tiny brains aint an X1 exclusive?

insomnium23960d ago

edonus

Sooooo Sony needs to pad their exclusive games list? Compared to who? What weight does a comment like that carry when we all know the reality of the situation? Why would you say something like that?

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SephirothX213961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

What is frightening for MS is that the above is no exaggeration. PS4 has 50% more graphics power than One. 1.84 teraflops compared to 1.2. Gamers want better games and more powerful hardware opens the doors for developers to bring new experiences. PS4 multiplats will look better as a result and PS4 exclusives will look a lot better but also have higher frame rates, bigger worlds, shorter loading times and more objects rendered per frame. One might be more suitable for families because of Kinect and some online features but a gamer would have to be insane to buy Xbox One instead of PS4. People who have put a lot of time into their profiles on 360 will even be tempted by PS4.

_FantasmA_3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Nobody ever mentions the simplicity and support that Sony offers. Sony always brings games, when they are losing money and when they are making it. I could care less how cheap Xbox is or how many exclusives they have because their is something fundamentally wrong with their brain. They lack common sense, and lack empathy for anyone lower than them. These damn rich people all over the world always think they know how the rest us people should live and always try to shove their racist, homophobic, and religious views in our face. M$ is greedy corporation who wants to control everything so that they extract as much as they can from our pockets to flow upwards to their retirement and Rolls Royce accounts(trickle up economics). M$ thinks people are stupid, and while this is true, stupid people in large groups can sometimes get something done (after all, a group of stupid peoples IQs almost equal that of self aware and education person). M$ is all flash and pizzazz and they spend so much money duping stupid people (mostly in Amurica) into thinking that getting bent over is what they really want. M$ can throw money and Doritos at gamers all they want, but they will never own my heart! I may even buy a 3DS just because I feel bad that the Wii U is being overshadowed by those M$ pricks. Nintendo, though stubborn and really out date, could use some help. I mean why are were are letting M$ who screws over people any change they, survive after the 2 previous disasters. Xbox 1 was discontinued after just 4 years. Good job, M$, that's almost as long as 14+ years that Sony supported the PS2, just add another decade! Then they had a terrible launch (the "cool people" will say that Sony had a bad launch, but in reality it had a better lineup and only the price was the bad thing about the launch). Lets not forget the first year of 360 which had throw away games that were not much better than Xbox 1 graphics. It took a whole year for their first good game (Gears) to come out, the consoles were faulty, they charged for online. M$ has done more harm than good. They'be turned gaming into a thing, a product that is made for profit, where as before M$ as around we had innovation. Just look at the 2000+ PS2 games that came out with no competition? So many unique and varied games on the PS2 that never made the transition to the current gen. Why? Because people, I mean posers only wanted play Call of Duty.

extermin8or3960d ago

I prefer the Ps4 too but god knows wtf you are on about for most of that comment....

insomnium23960d ago

tl;dr. WTF is it with a wall of text like that?

RavageX3961d ago

Your avatar makes me ill. Now back to the matter at hand.

Sometimes I wonder if having an internal power supply causes the systems to run a tad hot. If that is the case then I wouldn't mind an external one.

Plus you can even use it as a weapon if needed.

Cryptcuzz3961d ago

That is not up for debate or arguments since your comment is pure facts. 14 disagree -ers cannot tell from facts to fiction.

By the way, when I read your name, I imagined an avatar like mines not yours!!!

Major_Glitch3961d ago

You've hit the nail on the head. I'm glad M$ did a 180 on there DRM policies, but when it's all said and done the PS4 is still the better system.

oscarcat593961d ago

And with all that supposed greatness the funny thing will be not many but fanboys will notice any difference in the games. And most of your comments are incomplete and onesided. Let's see after both of these toys are out and then make a judgment. As of now no one here knows but the people who made them.

VforVideogames3960d ago

*the price was lees than a ps3 when it launch
*massive graphical power wont show on games till after 5-8 years latter and so is the huge power ram.
*50 percent graphics hardware? what are you smoking?
*2 gigs more ram you don't even know what that means.
*Kinect? don't worry eyetoy is coming on a bundle too , you will see.
*the massive exclusive ps4 has? halo gow and forza= outsales ALL exclusives sony has combined.
*sonys gigantic studios? how many exactly?
*amazing Japanese developers? xbox has the best ones, MGS any one?
*gaikai online? how about cloud for xbox?
*the upgrade hardrive? I give you that one but how many of you wpuld do that?
*small elegant? I don't really care how it looks.
*ps4 works everywhere and so is the X-ONE check anywhere.
*

extermin8or3960d ago

The cloud stuff for xbox has already been shown by several tech sites and by tech experts to be mainly Bullshit PR crap... the best bits of their cloud stuff were coupled with their DRM most of us didn't want and went away along with it. A few devs claim what they are doing is only possible on Xbox1 because of it's cloud stuff yet have not shown a SINGLE thing that couldn't be done elsewhere... the fact Titan is going to be on PC and so far it appears wont need any vastly better specs than any other game-tells us everything. Sony's giagantic studios: SCE London, SCE Japan, Santa monicca-multiple teams, Japan Studios, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule-multiple teams, Guerilla Cambridge, Guerilla Studios-2 maybe 3 (but if 3 then one just works on tech/R&D) Insomniac games although 2nd party aren't done with Ratchet and clank yet there will almost certainly be a sequel to crack in time made next for next year by the main team to take adavantage of the advertising surrounding the R&C movie. Ready at Dawn (also 2nd party I think but..) Evolutions studios and of course the developers that could probably make the ps4 a worthy purchase on their own going by their last 4.. yes 4 games this generation that only got better and have some of the highest critical acclaim of any games this generation, and with two studios.. Naughty Dog will be able to make even more great games this generation I'm sure. Also there are othersI've missed I think and sony frequently gets exclusive games sometimes that do and don't get localised from japan-as much as I love MGS they aren't what I'd call the best japanese team.. and seeing as all the footage they've shown they always mark as being PS3 footage, or ps3 spec footage if you honestly think they were at MS's E3 for any other reason other than a massive wad of cash? And actually I think you'll find if you combined The Last of Us, Gran Turismo and Uncharted's game sales they'd probably have sold more copies than Forza,Halo and GoW (the last of us hasn't peaked yet so give it another month or so to be fair.) or at least they'd be very close after all GT5 last I'd heard was past the 6 million mark on it's own... Uncharted 2 and 3 alone had to have sold about 3 million+ and the last of us was already well over 1.3million in the first 2/3 days of sale apparently. 50% better graphics... yep thats simple maths based on the PS4's GPU having about that many more shaders...several more compute units and a fair bit greater power Teraflops wise. Look at he ps3 for upgrading HDD ALOT of people have. I'll agree sony haven't shown that many massive ps4 exclusives yet... but I think they've shown last gen they have far more exclusives and generally of the same or higher quality of MS's-they did have an advertising issue this generation but their new PR department and advertising companies seem to have this sorted now. The graphical advantage will show-developers have already said so; after all the consoles both run using PC architecture the devs scale up with various settings for PC's anyway, they've already said it may well be possible to have the PS4 running at a higher frame rate and resolution on many games-and before you quote anything seen at E3 evidence has already been shown that MS's demo's were running on a considerably more powerful PC units not xbox one dev kits.

insomnium23960d ago

@extermin8or

Who the hell is going to read a comment like that?

extermin8or3960d ago

you are being abit harsh on what MS have shown thus far 1st party/exclusive wise however I agree, RYSE looked good for instance but it looked like every fight was just a series of QTE's... Probably because until recently it was a kinect game. Quantum break looked good and we are yet to see much from sony's 1st parties but what we have seen I'm excited for :D PS4 FTW. Besides Sony tend to announce more games through the year not at major events than Ms I find...

plaZeHD3960d ago

"The massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the weak Xbox One"
Oh shut up.
Most of your point are just preferable and opinionable.

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TrevorPhillips3961d ago

Let me just say that IF they can bring a patch that will get rid of the whole DRM and so forth, I'm sure they can bring another patch that will either bring the features back at once or slowly and slowly towards the coming months without the customers knowing. I mean, MS want to do this just to bring the consumers back to their side then BAM! bring everything back!

But then another thought came to mind that, if they were to do such thing then they could be sued for billions over false advertisement. RROD all over LOL

4>1

unchartedxplorer3961d ago

good point. by then ms would have got their money from console sales.

Thomper3961d ago

LOL... You've not been in the console arena for many years have you? Console sales are lucky not to make a loss. Software and dlc (etc) is where they make their money.

Microsoft didn't make bad hardware/policy decisions, they f**ked up their PR - simple.

Sony has made themselves out to be the second coming, the self proclaimed gaming gods who loves and looks after gamers.

Tell that to those whose ps3's are now bricked, those who had their personal details hacked and those of us who bought Vita's and are still waiting for games to fill our overpriced proprietary memory cards, which were designed to cream as much money from gamers as humanly possible,

Yeah, Sony and their f**king halo... You couldn't make this sh*t up!!!

dantesparda3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

Wow! just wow MS didnt make any bad hardware or policy decisions, it was all just bad PR. You are both crazy and deluded, so picking inferior hardware was a good hardware decision? making up the worst DRM policies the industry has ever seen was just a bad PR decision? And this bullsh!t about Sony making themselves out to be the "self proclaimed gaming gods", really? how, by just not having the same horrible DRM policies as MS? and coming out and stating so?

And then you talk sh!t about Sony bricking consoles, when they aint actually bricked, cuz they can be fixed easily with another update. And everybody knows these risks exist when upgrading firmwares, but yet say nothing about the RROD debacle that truly did brick everybodies system

Kid, guy, whacko, or whatever you are, you are delirious. But you just go to show how messed up MS fanboys really are. You's are all deluded. I feel sorry for you's, its embarassing!

Mikelarry3961d ago

they already thought about that and countered. in the TOS you cannot get a class action suit against the xbox

TechnicianTed3961d ago

Doesn't Sony have a similar TOS?

hellzsupernova3961d ago

They can't be sued because it says in their terms and conditions they have the right to change anything at any time so when you agree you forfeit your rights to sue them. Same with Sony

RavageX3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

If MS did add a patch down the road that brought everything back DRM-related, I think you would see on the CNN where thousands upon thousands of gamers would be outside Microsoft's headquarters with pitchforks and torches..for real.

They would all band together again, even help fund those who can't afford the trip so everyone can have a piece of the action. Power tools, construction equipment, bulldozers, etc...people would bring it all.

The place would be literally destroyed and Mr. Mattrick would be hunted down along with several others, blindfolded and gagged. As for what the angry gamers would do...that I don't know.

At least that's how I see it.

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Supermax3961d ago

If Microsoft can take it away with a patch they can bring it back and so can Sony.i said it months ago both companies will wait till they sell a set number of units some time after the holidays and then only then when millions of there units are sold they turn on the drm.im still getting ps4 first but if Microsoft starts showing some free to play games like Sony is doing maybe throw n a Xbox live gold year subscription I might pick one up first

The Meerkat3961d ago

If they are going to do it in the future then there would have to be a provision for it in their small print terms and conditions.

Reminds me of the SouthPark iPad episode.

CraigandDayDay3961d ago

lol Yeah, the Human CentiPad. hahaha So messed up. The actual Human Centipede movie was really messed up.

I don't think Sony is going to add it in their console ever. And MS would be dumb to bring back the DRM after they took it back out.

BlazeXXL3961d ago

Lol, no way in hell that will ever happen. Both companies have now seen the public backlash surrounding these topics. If they 'turn on the drm', so much shit will hit the fan, it's not even funny.

tarbis3961d ago

What is your basis for Sony's activating DRM? With M$, Yes. Since, they pretty much preached it like a new religion and still have not apologized for their debacle after announcing the removal.

hellzsupernova3961d ago

I believe that the Xbox one comes with a year of gold now.

Bt I'm with you companies always seem to have a way to screw us. I'm buying the ps4 and now the Xbox one is a lot more tempting for me but I know I won't use it much it'll become like my 360

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MasterCornholio3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

The PS4 seems like a better value in my opinion especially with its superior hardware and much lower price tag.

@wheatthins

"If Microsoft can take it away with a patch they can bring it back and so can Sony"

LOL it wont happen with the PS4.

BTW Sony never planned for it in the first place so its impossible for them to "bring it back" like you said.

thrust3961d ago

Xbox all the way for me, the online gaming is better!

End case closed.

GenericNameHere3961d ago

See, I never got this whole Xbox Live "online gaming is better!)" dealio. How exactly is it better than PSN? Give me good examples, and I might just believe you.

mossman3961d ago

Actually I'm interested in that as well. I hear the "Xbox Live" advantage a lot, but it's never explained in tangible terms that make any sense to me. If someone could provide two simple, everyday gaming examples of this, that would be helpful.

Cueil3961d ago

every Xbox One MP game will have dedicated servers... that's enogh by itself... This only happens because MS provides the servers

YourGreatUncle3961d ago

@Cueil
Most PS3 exclusives use dedicated servers. Resistance 1-3, Uncharted 2 and 3, The Last of Us, Warhawk, Starhawk, MAG, Socom Confrontation and 4 all use dedicated, Even Homefront a multiplat runs on dedicated servers. You can bet that this trend will continue onto PS4.

The Real Peter Moore3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

PS4 all the way for me, the online gaming is better!

End case closed.

@cueil

You mean a "virtual" dedicated server? I laugh at you gullible boy!

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MasterCornholio3961d ago (Edited 3961d ago )

I really dont know about that because the main reason why people claimed that XBOX Live was a superior service is because people pay for it. Now that plus is required for online multiplayer Sony will use the extra revenue to improve the service so in the end the quality will be about the same as XBOX Live gold. Also the addition of "free games" will add a ton of value to plus and make it the superior service.

IMO

MysticStrummer3961d ago

"Xbox all the way for me, the online gaming is better!"

If by "gaming" you mean server stability and actually playing, you're wrong.

If by "gaming" you mean social features, you were right this generation but won't be next generation.

Front case re-opened then re-closed then put in the shredder then burned then thrown away then buried.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere17m ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg1h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos41m ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto9d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic9d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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