PS4 appearance on Jimmy Fallon highlights Microsoft's struggle to explain Xbox One policies

TheVerge: As part of Late Night's "Video Game Week," Jimmy Fallon has had the opportunity to play with both the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4. But while Monday night's Xbox One demo ran through the console's multimedia features and showed off Killer Instinct and Forza, Sony Tuesday night took the opportunity to highlight its competitor's complex online and used game policies.

[US8F]

On National tv, that doesn't sound good for Xbox.

[Why o why]

Microsoft should hire n4g's very own x1 policy defenders .....they seem to know more than the ms execs themselves the way they speak. They could sell rice to the Chinese.

[bicfitness]

No one would pay attention to a frothing lunatic on t.v. beyond laughing at them. That, and you'd have to get these people out off their basements.

MS did this to themselves, no pity from me. I heard that they muzzled Don M at least, which is a start. Every time he opened his mouth it was derogatory and insulting. What's funny is that MS bullish approach - "we're the best, our product rocks" - hasn't changed, its just that people, and the media are no longer singing their tune.

MS aren't good at spinning negative publicity when most of what they've had is positive. Hell, even when the RROD debacle was going on they did nothing but deny, deny, deny and finally capitulated a bit with a "things break, you know."

A PR disaster on this scale is well beyond their understanding or talents to mitigate. You can't just throw money at it to make it disappear.

[denero1]

lmaoo i wanna give u bubbles sir lol

[NewMonday]

@Why o why

they are most likely MS shills in the first place.

[Pixel_Enemy]

MS is in a really bad place right now. All this bad press is not good at all for a launch. Last gen, MS had a year head start and PS3 launched with a ridiculous price point which gave 360 a huge lead. This lead continued through out the life cycle because it started strong and friends would get the console that their friends had to play with them. Not only that, when you have both consoles, you get the multiplaform games that are on the system that your friends play on.

This gen, Sony is crushing MS in the press, launching $100 cheaper and without DRM restrictions. If Sony dominates the launch, it will carry over into the generation for quite some time due to the friend factor.

[dcbronco]

Why maybe Sony should hire all of those fanboys that blindly support them. Though it's pretty clear they lack comprehension and listening skills.

MS policy on used games: It's up to the publishers, if blocked they will go to a participating retailers so the publisher can receive a share of the profits.

Sony policy on used games: It's up to the publishers. If publisher do choose to block games you would think that they will have specific people they want the games to go to so they can receive a cut. Otherwise why block them. Unless the plan is to block them completely on the PS4.

So if you don't believe they will be blocked completely, common sense dictates that they could be sold to someone that will give publishers a share.

So it's the exact same policy.

Also, way to go Cerny. When Fallon got the used game poklicy wrong, instead of correcting him, you let it go and reinforced the views of the uneducated. Way to keep it classy Sony.

The Verge handled it professionally in their article.

[BlindGuardian]

THE DRM THAT SONY SAID IS UP TO THE PUBLISHERS IS ONLINE MP ONLY, JUST LIKE ON PS3, THE DRM ON THE X1 IS FOR OFFLINE PLAY AS WELL

it's amazing how hard is to get that fact through some people's skulls

[Boody-Bandit]

dcbronco

What you and others fail to realize is it's not just about the DRM. It's always connected. MS can spin that nonsense anyway they want with 24 hour verification. It's ALWAYS CONNECTED. Who will turn on their XBOX ONE every 23:59:59 (hrs/mins/seconds)? NOBODY. So you will need to either have your X1 connected either hard wired or in wifi range at all times or you will have to go thru the necessary steps of verification just to play games. No matter how this is spun it's an unnecessary restriction.

As is having to have a camera connected that most core gamers want no part of. MS knows this but they don't give a sh!t but they should considering most early adopters are your core audience and not from a new demographic they are trying to capture or entice to purchase their new multimedia device. They are trying to push this tech on us so just maybe we core gamers will break down and purchase some content for it. "If" it pays off it's a win win for MS but just another unnecessary hassle for gamers that don't want Kinect hooked up just to be able to play core video games (you know, ones that actually require complexity and not arm flailing). *If precision controls didn't matter MS wouldn't have invested time, money and efforts into redesigning their controller to be 15% more accurate, especially for shooters*

Another thing, people can call foul, conspiracy nonsense or what ever they want BUT always having your console online with a voice and motion activated camera isn't all too comforting to those that actually know about PRISM and MS being accused of spying over Skype. <- Take from that what ever you will but why should ANYONE have to have concerns over this at all when it's just another unnecessary restriction to play video games.

Now you say DRM, up to publishers, etc and so on. MS built it into their hardware, Sony didn't. /end statement

$499 for a console that from all indications appears to be lesser in power and restrictions their competitions $399 priced console doesn't have? Well I think it's fair to say it is a lousy position they put themselves in.

Maybe if they would've not included Kinect, a product most core users don't want, they would've been evenly priced with their competition.

A final point. MS has done an absolutely abysmal job of explaining why they implemented these restrictions and why they are beneficial to the consumer. You know why? Because they can't. This is MS doing everything they possibly can to maximize their profit.

The question I have asked the most and MS has failed to address? What happens years from now with a console that requires an every 24hr verification / check in? Seriously. Does it just become a paper weight or are we to assume MS will always be there to ensure nostalgic consumers they are safe to game on the XBOX ONE for as long as they could ever hope? When Major Nelson was asked this very question? He scoffed and said, "next gen isn't even here and you're asking about what will happen when it's over?"

^That in itself proves even MS is clueless where the X1 is headed.

[loulou]

it is has gotta be said. it is not really something to proud of, when the only reason people are talking about your product, is because of the problems with your competitors.

now i know this will be met with disagrees. but just look at the article in question. even on the tv, they are more interested in pointing fingers at their rivals.

[Anon1974]

"but just look at the article in question. even on the tv, they are more interested in pointing fingers at their rivals."

I don't know what video you saw, but Microsoft wasn't even mentioned. He stated the fact that the PS4 didn't need to be connected to the internet and supported used games in response to a question Jimmy asked. It was one sentence. They talked about the share button more and then it was 3 minutes of playing Knack.

How on earth is that "more interested in pointing fingers at their rivals"?

[T2]

@why o why - case in point- dcbronco - its so obvious these shills are picking only one aspect of a policy and spinning it to not seem bad or they just resort to " Sony too!" and try to deflect blame ... The sad thing is there are kids around the world MS gave the finger to as well as every consumer and these people are either too selfish or too dim to see how it all effects everything .

[DragonKnight]

@bicfitness: "MS did this to themselves, no pity from me. I heard that they muzzled Don M at least, which is a start. Every time he opened his mouth it was derogatory and insulting. What's funny is that MS bullish approach - "we're the best, our product rocks" - hasn't changed, its just that people, and the media are no longer singing their tune."

Yeah, but Don was merely a representative of the attitude prevalent at Microsoft. It was first present with Adam Orth (deal with it), moved on to Don Mattrick (stick with 360), and Yusuf Mehdi (we need to educate people), and Major Nelson (you're not looking at the benefits of DRM). It's Microsoft in its entirety really.

@dcbronco: WARNING! WARNING! FANBOY SHILL ALERT! Dude, you really don't know what you're talking about, but Mark Cerny certainly does. Sony did not build any DRM into the PS4 the way MS did with the X1. When Sony says "it's up to the publishers," they are not talking about a used games block. It's not possible on the PS4 because a network connection is NOT required so it can't be enforced. Sony said they welcome all business models and if third party publishers want DRM in their games, they (3rd parties) will have to create and implement it themselves because Sony won't, and Sony can't dictate to them what to do with their games.

Sony's policy is NOWHERE NEAR the same as Microsoft's and you need to stop your fanboyism.

@loulou: You must have been blind to the countless articles talking about the PS4 that don't have anything to do with the X1. That, or you're just being a fanboy like dcbronco up there.

The bubble reset has really hurt this site lately.

**EDIT** Knack is looking awesome.

[3-4-5]

We the people usually do know more and together/collectively are much smarter than any one person running these companies.

[silenius]

Did anyone else see the failing attempt to create a "buzz" with his shirt??? you know... just casually wearing a shirt of CRACKDOWN...
meh... i only kinda liked the 1st one either way. :/
so even if they announce the 3rd i still wouldn't be interested...

[Kleptic]

Its pretty sure anyone pro-MS at this point is just completely confused as to what the situation is with the PS4...If you like MS and exclusive content for xbox products, that is fine and great...but try and avoid discussions that you simply don't understand...

the difference between the Xbox One and Ps4 is very very simple...the xbox one has BUILT IN DRM requirements and checking for ANY form of game...there is NO such thing as offline...the ps4 does NOT have any of that...thats it...simple as that...

Now without knowing publishing policies implemented by Sony for the PS4, we can't really go too far with that just yet...but it stands that there is no built in drm...there is no evidence so far that drm will be any different on the PS4 than it is on the Ps3...which is also straight forward, easy to understand, and extremely simple...

what that means is that 3rd party publishers, on ps4, can continue to do what they want as far as online passes or whatever...As big 3rd party publishers begin to push their own content sources (like EA and its Origin for example), it'll probably get a little more complex in terms of making an account for all your online passes through that specific publisher's system...

but that the same time...the console won't limit any of this...the ps4 won't block a disc from being played, at least offline...if the disc is lended, rented, or given away for example...depending on the title, it may be necessary to get a 'new' online pass for yourself as non retail buyer...this is exactly how works currently for the majority of new titles that feature online portions...

that could begin to expand into single player modes as well...but who knows, and who cares, as that is a case by case basis and if you dislike the policy you simply don't buy that game...the Xbox One takes all this and lumps it into one peice of hardware...

and lastly...i love how MS hints at 'we're looking into game rentals with our partners', and all of a sudden the xbox one can play used games the same as a ps4...no..it..can't...unle ss you permanently give it away, or buy an over-priced used disc from a 'participating retailer'...it'll just block it...

MS's policy clearly illustrates that with an Xbox One, you'll never have complete control over any software you buy...not any portion of it...you can't play it offline for more than 23:59 hours, you can only permanently give it away...one time...and you can't start playing a disc that was EVER used on some one else xbox one without jumping through a confusing mass of hoops that even MS doesn't fully understand yet...

next generation isn't a debate...unless MS changes radically in the next months, its over before it starts...

[dcbronco]

Kleptic I know you're smarter than that. The way MS does it's cloud storage will make game rentals easier and with fewer problems. It's as simple as the family list. Gamefly makes a App on One. The person with the Gamefly account attaches that account to that console. Just like they do with Hotmail now. The person make a request for a title and they automatically gain access to that games on the cloud for download. If their account gets cancelled, the license to play that game is rescinded. It's far better than the current system where there is often a shortage of popular games.

And Sony does allow publishers to block used games. Just because they haven't said it openly, they have made it clear that publishers are in charge of how their game is presented. And if Sony was so against DRM and blocking used games, they wouldn't have spent money developing a method when they were so strapped for cash. I promise you, Sony will block them if they are asked.

[Why o why]

Dcbronco....

You still trying to group everybody together....maybe you should use your energy on getting ms to revoke some of their policies. How can you still, after all the articles and links, say that sony are doing the same thing. Sonys stance on drm hasn't changed from this current gen whereas microsofts has changed to have it in built

You cannot lend, you cannot rent.......

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

Just accept it and move on, your staunch defence was amusing at first but now your ignorance is getting a little tedious to watch....... why do you think all those people were cheering at the sony presser ......where they all misled or are the dumb....did sony do a jedi mind trick....lol

'I promise you, Sony will block them if they are asked.'...

Wow, you may as well of started that projection with 'I pray' instead of 'I promise you' PLUS it will be the developer who puts the block on NOT sony doing it for them like ms is doing....smh.... give it up please

[kreate]

@dcbronco

'Sony does allow publishers to block used games'

where??? o_0'

which game have been blocked?

there's a difference between the ability and the implementation.

[showtimefolks]

Why o why

lol good one you made me laugh bubbles

[Gamer1982]

Whats amazing is this happened then MS finally changed there DRM. Listening to gamers my a**.. They were embarrassed on national TV again and finally had enough. Though i'm glad its happened as its great news for xbox owners as they don't deserve this DRM stuff shoved down their throats they got enough problems being forced to buy Kinect whether they want it or not.

[dcbronco]

Why whats annoying is people that know very little about one thing running their mouths about things that are multi-faceted. I know you have no clue what I'm talking about because...well you have no clue. But the next couple of years might wake you up. Actually, no they won't. Sony will though.

Enjoy.

[jmc8888]

No one can defend Xbox

Everything xbox does can be done without the 24 hour check-ins and Spying.

If you want to check out how to share games the right way...look at Steam.

You gain nothing from the DRM. It's completely a one way street, and MS is the one benefiting. (oh and the gov't).

Kinect 2 is the most advanced spying device ever. Watergate in a box. (actually MUCH MUCH MORE)

Plus you can't defend $100 more for a device where the graphics and CPU together don't even cost $100.

1.2 TFlops...IF they are lucky. (which is crap)

No E3 consoles, means they're going to push defective units out the door A LA RROD.

Where's the xbox one? You know one turned on and connected to an HDTV showing real gameplay because someone is playing the game on actual Xbox One hardware?

[popup]

I like Mark Cerny. and he reminds me of C3PO.

[donman1]

Did he say the Xbox One is just 3 times more powerful than the Xbox360... Wow... PS4 here I come.

[Buff1044]

All Microsoft has to do is reverse course early enough and E3 2013 will become a distant memory.

[showtimefolks]

i am glad PS4 is getting national attention that ps3 never got even thought it had better software exclusive content than ms or nintendo-in my personal opinion before i am called names lol

knack getting attention which is great, i will buy it at launch and niche games like these deserve support we don't just want all shooters

much better showing than xbox one, and i am glad MS has rethought about it strategy

gamers unite

[deadfrag]

Not to mention that the demo for Forza 5 when Jimmy was playing was full of framerate drops an slowdowns stability issues were very noticible ,its obvious for anyone that saw it,5months for release and they show a demo on National tv running that way;i was like wtf.

[TesMgsFan]

PS4 rules !

[WolfOfDarkness]

It was a very smart move from Sony to show this " family " type game on the show . Even PS4 PR won this one after E3 ! LOL simply Microsoft is not lucky at all !!

[Buff1044]

Except Knack doesn't look so hot.

[TesMgsFan]

Buff1044

Just wait a minute. Knack reminds me about ps1 and ps2 games and if you don't like knack just DEAL WITH IT !!

[hakis86]

So now Xbox One is 3x the power of the 360? I've now heard 3x, 8x, 10x.... lol

[Saigon]

Granted that is true but After reading some of the comments on the site by some of the subscribers there, I was amazed at what I read. Based on that I am starting to believe the gamers supporting the MS initiative are misinformed. MS needs to clear up a lot of information.

For me what is confusing is the Family plan thing. Most believe that you can attach any friend at any time to your friend list and allow them to share your games. I however, trying to think logically, don't think that would happen. I have a feeling that the family plan will be applied to only one account with up to 10 different individuals applied. Again everything tied to one Credit Card. Grant it you would have an instance with, lets say you child is at school in Texas while you live in New York and they share your family plan but this won't work for any random person. They would need to be within your paid circle. Many gamers think that MS is allowing a circle of friends that all have paid accounts being family members which I highly doubt.

The reason for my conviction is because what publisher in their right mind would want to lose that much money on a game because a user decides to share it with 10 family members or their circle of friends. The pubs would be losing more money than with trade-in games.

[lawgone]

Some good questions but really the Family Plan was a smart thing and would have been great. MS was taking a bit of a gamble and giving consumers something great but didn't communicate it well. Since most games now have a multiplayer component it wouldn't really effect those as much since you can't play it while your friend is also playing it. As for primarily single player games like Elder Scrolls, your friends could have tried it out almost like downloading a trial version. If they truly liked it and wanted to play it whenever they wanted, they'd most likely get their own version. But, now MS is going back to the old model so kind of a moot point.

[Hadoukameha]

Bad news 24/7 for XB1. I almost feel bad, but then I remember it deserves it.

[tigertom53]

don't mind that feature when I can share my library and dlc content with ten people of my choice....

[ZodTheRipper]

You will mind eventually. I for one wouldn make that much preorders as I do now only because I CAN resell the game if it was a mispurchase and get at least some of my money back. No used games is a game breaker for me, it helps refinance new purchases. I don't want to buy every game new and I can still share them with 10 or even 20 family members AND friends.

[nypifisel]

I actually wonder how this even can be? They put in a system to restrict the sales of used games yet they promote a feature which will cut game purchases when only 1 in 10 need to buy a new game. If I were a publisher this would concern me a hell of a lot more than the ability to freely trade in games (which only makes up about 1-2% of the business). <- This makes no sense, So I wouldn't believe MS in how freely this feature can be used.

[Monkeysmarts]

You are going to be very disappointed if you think you can share all your games and DLC on XB1 with ten different XB1 units. You seriously think MS is letting you share all of your purchased content with any ten people you want and it's theirs to keep? It's not even YOURS to keep!

[SpinalRemains]

Which by definition, makes you a sellout and a whore, albeit an ignorant one, since what you're getting is nowhere close to what you're losing.

[InSpectre]

Curious how this will work as well. It seems there will be restrictions on the shared game library that they haven't mentioned yet.

[Raccoon]

Jajajajajajajajajaja youre a fool to think its as simple as that, kenict will do its part in this feature and it will make it a pain in the ass to work and and its a fact that not all 10 members can use the content at the same time and could only work depending on how many players an offline* multiplayer alows.... For example if battlefield 4 only has singleplayer offline* only ONE xbox can acess it at any given time and in order to share with the 9 other members of the plan they must all take turns and authenticate the access with a sign-in eveytime.

Now with a playstations famous gameshare you could acess true offline and online multiplayer at any given time from 2 authenticated consoles mind you it used to be up to 5 consoles until a few years back when people started abusing this feature.... I assure when it comes to microsoft no matter how sweet the deal looks with all the sugarcoated chocolate drops and sprinkles its still a giant dildo that lies underneath...

*offline is a contradiction as you still need internet acess to play xbox one offline as well as online....

[Foxhound922]

Too bad only one person can use each piece of content at a time. Have fun with that.

[JoGam]

Lol

[Rivitur]

Good luck actually finding 10 people who even own the console.

[tigertom53]

major nelson and many other people from Microsoft said this. It can be anyone even someone 3000 miles away.

[DragonKnight]

@tigertom53

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Mikeyy]

Titger just remember if something sounds too good to be true...

There will be a catch, MS has screwed you over at ever turn, you are going to let your guard down on this one?

[jmc8888]

So you know that for a fact? Or are you just assuming that Microsoft would bitch about used game sales, but magically allow 10 people to play your game?

That's like saying I want to get out of debt, so I'll pick up 10 credit cards to pay off my car payment? (actually it's worse than this scenario)

Meanwhile everyone talks about how...SEE THIS IS WHY MS IS MAKING YOU DO THIS OR THAT..

No...that's not necessary.

They say.

YES IT IS. (like complete unthinking moron fanboys)

Then you show them that Steam is going to let you share games, and doesn't have MS's restrictions.

That's right. Steam does it right. M$ gets another uppercut to the Jaw.

So add Steam to the list of people who've landed a blow on Microsoft's glass jaw.

Steam just said to MS...'you're doing it wrong!!!!'

[Simco876]

PSN had this also..but then slowly took it away. You could "share" your purchases on 5 systems, then 3....now 2...

I see the same for the Xbone

[memots]

It's 10 familly member ( sub account ) on one console ... Seriously people get some logic here

[patsrule316]

The article states "both companies are focusing heavily on non-transferrable online purchases with this generation."

I thought Microsoft was still making online purchases transferable once, as long as the person you are transfering to has been on your friends list for a month. Plus you can share your on-line purchases with the people in your 'family' share plan (still haven't clarified the exact details of that plan, so it is yet to be seen who and how people can get on that share plan).

While the DRM on disc based games is certainly more restrictive on the Xbox One, I believe that the DRM is actually more restrictive on the PS4 than it is on the XB1 for digital downloads.

[badz149]

like almost on anything, be it on consoles or pc! you can buy games as a gift for other on Steam but that's about it! you can't resell them in any way.

on PS3, digitally bought contents are transferable to up to 2 consoles and 2 handhelds in which case if the content is downloaded to 2 different consoles, both consoles can play the game at the same time using different accounts without restriction. if you want to download it into the 3rd console, you have deactivate 1 of the 2 earlier consoles and it makes PSN contents literally "transferable".

on the other hands, Xbone games are transferable and can be shared with 10 people but only 1 copy is playable at any given time or the 24h/1hr check-in will kick you out of the game when it detects somebody else is playing it.

[patsrule316]

I just re-read the press release, and I was wrong, the one time transfer to a friend is for disc based games, not all games. So I need to own up on that. The only benefit on XB1 digital purchases is the family share circle, not the 1 time transfer.

I still like the idea of the family share plan, if it is the way IGN, Forbes, and Reddit have said. When I first read the share plan, I thought it would litterally only apply to the people in your home family, and it would work like a circle (whoever you choose would also automatically choose you, and it would all be tied to the same gold account, like I could put my wife and son on my gold account now and share my games with them and they share with me). I did not think I would be able to add my best friend or my brother-in-law, who both have their own consoles and gold accounts and would be sharing with their wives and kids. If, and that is a big IF, I can add them, and they can add me without having to add everyone I have added, that would really be a big deal. I've also seen varying reports that one share person can play the same game you are playing, but again I am skeptical. I am waiting to see how that plays out, though. For now, I have a PS4 pre-ordered. If the family sharing plan is truly open to anyone from your friends list, and 1 person can play your game while you play as well, I may reconsider and get an XB1 instead, because that would be a HUGE value to me. But until I hear that, the PS4 is the better deal for me due to the used disc based game policy, ability to use the vita for remote play, PS+, and stronger internal hardware.

[creatchee]

You are correct. Downloadable Xbox One games AND DLC fall under the Family Share and transfer umbrellas.

I don't know why Microsoft isn't trumpeting the awesomeness of that stuff instead of cloud computing, which is cool but doesn't appeal to the masses as much.

[bicfitness]

Because there are surely caveats and small print that they don't want you to know amid all the other shit the X1 is being heaped under. Sony allows gamesharing too, but it was cut from 5 systems to 2 (still shareable by every account on 1 box, mind you).

If you honestly believe that MS will allow you to share with 10 people on your friend's list regardless of physical location or a SET box that all those accounts are on, I think you're in for a rude awakening.

I've read their new terms and conditions and policies are still incredibly vague.

[SpinalRemains]

Because to scrutinize the family plan is to expose its false amazingness.

You cannot use any game off your family/friends library unless that person is online at that moment. You can only share the game with one other at one time.

This idea is actually subpar in comparison to ps3/ps4s game sharing, where those limitations do not exist.

[jmc8888]

Because Steam just showed Microsoft the way to share without alienating everyone unnecessarily.

Because unlike you, if Joe Blow in NYC wants to share a game, I don't need to be online with Steam.

But anybody from about 21 countries (because it won't work at launch elsewhere ROFL..not sold...work!) will have to sign in every 24 hours or their console is a brick.

[tigertom53]

It will be as easy as selecting 10 people from your friends list. I know Microsoft has said you can have unlimited friend list now as well as you can organize that list into categories... You can still bring the disk to any friend or family and install the game on their console. If they are in your family plan then they don't have to purchase the copy of the game..... Microsoft has also said that you can sell and buy used game, it up to the publisher if they or going to charge fees.

[patsrule316]

I am not saying you are right or wrong, but asking how you know this? Everything I have ever seen says 'We haven't released the details yet.' If there is a place that says it is as simple as selecting 10 friends, I'd like to read it.

[InSpectre]

It a "Family Plan" not a "Share With All Your Friends and Get Ten Games for the Price of One Plan."

More than likely it will be restricted much like an actual physical copy would. Only one person at a time, for a certain amount of time, no one else gets access for that time, etc.

[tigertom53]

Major Nelson and Many other interviews with heads of Microsoft it can me uncle friend sister how has an xbox that you give permission to your library... Only one person at a time can have access to a game at a time... They even said if their are 3 games on your library 3 different family members can play each of the titles.. am sure more info will come out soon as well...

•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

[BlindGuardian]

no one is talking about digital downloads, on PS4 you can do whatver you want with your game discs, just like on the 360 and the PS3

THE DRM THAT SONY SAID IS UP TO THE PUBLISHERS IS ONLINE MP ONLY, JUST LIKE ON PS3, THE DRM ON THE X1 IS FOR OFFLINE PLAY AS WELL

it's amazing how hard is to get that fact through some people's skulls

[swishersweets20031]

he said knacks out with the hardware so does that mean we get a free game with the system on purchase?

[DragonPs4]

basically knack is a launch game that is what he meant.

[medman]

You get drive club free. I think Sony said some features on drive club would only be accessible if you bought the full title, but I have to assume most of what the game has to offer will come free.

[Polysix]

less cars less tracks in the 'free' version. Still good to have something free to showcase PS4 available to everyone who buys PS+ on day one.

[medman]

Plus you get 3 free indie titles at launch as well, I believe.

[ChozenWoan]

plus there will be plenty of F2P games released as well, which even those without PS+ can play online. Such as Planet Side 2, Tekken Revolution, War Frame are the first to come to my mind.

[wishingW3L]

don't forget about Warframe and Planetside 2! I don't know if they will come out at launch but they don't even require PS+ to play online. ;)

[swishersweets20031]

@ disagree people.. wtf just asking a question ya hoser
@reply people
thats cool i just wanted to be clarified.

[Felonycarclub8]

I hate when that happens you ask a questions and just get a bunch of disagrees and nobody answers lol only on n4g

[ziggurcat]

PS+ members will get drive club for free when the PS4 launches.

[GamePeace]

Nothing to explain right there: The new Xbox model is a "business model", a kind for the money shitting donkey.

[bub16]

knack looks good. but can anyone else see it coming as a free game on ps plus?

[Shadonic]

I can

[tigertom53]

yeah am sure when sales start to fall in a year

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I could easily see it on Plus at some point.

[kennyg3739]

How did Xbox struggle when the question was never brought up? All I saw them talking about the system and controller and playing Killer Instinct. Sony on the hand was ask if this was only console to played used games and Sony respond we support used games and don't requried an internet connection. So I think the article is alittle misleading.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

You missed the point entirely.

[quenomamen]

Probably cuz some MS rep in a cheap suit told Jimmy's people they could not ask certain those typeof questions, happens all the time with celebrities

[sashimi]

Jimmy clearly favors the PS4, Bias! lol

[medman]

Who doesn't favor the PS4?

[Karpetburnz]

Apart from a few idiots on this site who still bend over for microsoft, I would say the majority of people have common sense and prefer the PS4.

[Hellsvacancy]

I have not common sense and I still prefer the PS4

[InSpectre]

"Common sense is not so common."
* Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764)

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Well I was told on mp1st the other day that since I have reservations about Xbox One's new policies, I should get a PS4, and next year when I feel like getting a real next gen console instead of just an upgrade to the current gen, get the Xbox. Yea someone really said that to me.

[Polysix]

I still don't understand how in 2013 a game like "Killer Instinct" is being used to showcase the DeadBone? I'm not against 2D but it makes the system look dated before it even starts, a strange decision indeed.

BTW Killer Instinct was never that great to start with
BTW #2 this isn't the 90s, Microsoft.

[Mikefizzled]

When did 2D fighting games lose relevancy? Lots of the big 2d fighters did well this generation.

Mortal Kombat
Street Fighter
Tekken
Injustice
BlazBlue
Soulcaliber

Still relevant...

[Polysix]

where did i say they weren't relevant? read again. I said to SHOWCASE a NEXT GEN SYSTEM? come on! KI wouldn't have looked out of place showcasing the first XB/PS2 but now? get real.

I've got nothing against 2D fighters (good ones) KI isn't a good 2D fighter and makes a poor showcase for a so called next gen system.

[Mikefizzled]

Must have misinterpreted the "this isn't the 90, Microsoft" comment then. I assumed you was saying that the fighters should have been left in the 90s. Regardless KI was a fantastic game for its time.

[No_Limit]

Damn straight this isn't the 90s, time to move on to digital gaming and sharing. I do admit the 90s have some of the best music (especially grunge)ever made.

Killer Instinct looks fantastic, I was hoping Sony would revive Bloody Roar as a counter as I love that game on the PS1.

[SpinalRemains]

?

Listen to some Black Sabbath, will ya.

Grunge is heroin addicts whining about how life is hard.

;-)

[Imalwaysright]

No_Limit+DRM= ?????????????

[No_Limit]

No_Limit+DRM= The solution to Sharing games, from my next door neighbor to my friend 3000 miles away on any Xbox1 console.

Next math problem please!

[Imalwaysright]

By letting MS controlling and limiting how and to whom you share your games with their DMR.

No_limit+ DRM = fallacy.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

@No_Limit

"next math problem please" !-ok-!

bf4+ps4=gr8ness

no_limit ≤ R.M. shill

[swishersweets20031]

@polysix Killer instinct was a big game for my era the "arcade generation" back in the 90s. probably why they are showcasing it.

Sadly i'll miss out because i'll be ps 4tw :p

btw 2d fighters are not dated. you must be young.

@spinalremains

it was actually lol

[SpinalRemains]

Yes!

You can understand their debut album and all, as they were broke and melancholy and whatnot, but when your third album is still comprised of whining, after you've driven to the studio in a Rolls Royce or a limo, I'm not buying it.

I mean, you can even afford your junk habit now. Smile!

[wishingW3L]

dude don't hate just because is not on PS4. Killer Instinct looks awesome and you get it for free with an XBL subscription. And unlike PS+'s pseudo-free games, the free games you get on XBL are yours forever.

[ufo8mycat]

LOL Fighting game *yawn*

[cell989]

all Im saying is Killer Instinct could easily happen on the 360, the graphics look very much like Street Fighter 4, and that game came out 4-5 years ago

[Benchm4rk]

BTW why not call it what it is. XBOX ONE. You sound like a complete idiot calling it the DeadBone

[bonafide732]

Deg i meant to watch that

[SpinalRemains]

Tired of seeing ppl defend the policies.

It does block used games. When you have to do a dance, light some sage, pay a fee, enter a code, use a special vendor, whatever. Its the same thing. When you do not take the necessary action, you cannot play the used game. Blocked!
Its crap.

You cannot rent either. Millions do, and those ppl will not be choosing a One because their Gamefly account is better to their hobby than the One is.
That's not even close enough to debate.

Fallon and Cerny were in fact very right.

[porter470]

Microsoft will be mad

[Protagonist]

Concidering Microsoft reversed their policy the day after the fallon show, it seems it is exactly what needed to happen.

[ame22]

Jimmy playing Knack he sounds like a total jackass.

[solidworm]

Knack looks awesome.

[o-Sunny-o]

PS4 will sell over 9000 previously XBox users!! ^~^

[ruefrak]

Anyone else catch that Cerny said that the share button could be used to upload videos to Youtube? So far all they have said is Facebook and Ustream. Whenever anyone asks about youtube, they usually dodge the question and say that have nothing else to announce. But Cerny comes out and says it, then he has this "oh shit, what did I just say?" look on his face. I'm sure we'll get an official word soon.

[InSpectre]

Yeah, Youtube support would be great!

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I've been asking them about YouTube and twitch for a few months, but no answers. I'm HOPING when he said YouTube, it wasn't a slip up just throwing a video site out there. Ustream is cool, but twitch is 100% game oriented, and YouTube is YouTube, the biggest video site out there. I understand Sony made some partnership with ustream, but I can't understand why. I could deal with no twitch initially, but YouTube can't be ignored, as far as I'm concerned.

[ala_767]

Even fallon hates Xbox one!!!

[Benchm4rk]

Pretty sure he enjoyed some Forza 5 on the show. But you n4g folk probably never seen that as I don't recall there being a link to the Xbox appearance on the Fallon show. N4G = Sony fanboys

[Flames76]

Can the PS4 show something other than a kiddie game?Come on your selling to the hardcore fans and you show this trash.This makes me think that sony has nothing to show for the PS4 and their not ready. its going to be a horrible launch

[HurtfulTimez]

right beacause only adults who like shooting things only play games dont they?...

They already showed kzsf in feb on jimmy fallon so now they thought they would bring along a family game.

I shown my nephew a trailer for knack a week ago and now all he keeps asking is "have you got that knack game yet i want to play it!"

so this is why they show games like this ok?

[cell989]

Sony is trying to show that their console is for everyone, there will be plenty of time for FPSs, didnt you see all the e3 footage?

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Lmao definition of a try hard.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Knack didnt really impress me. PS4 is a powerful machine for sure but Knack isn't a game to show that off. That demo was a bit blah.

[cell989]

depends what kind of games you like, I love platformers so Knack suits my needs, Im sure what they showed is just a glimpse of what the game will be all about

[isyourhouseonfire]

Sony sure is paying a lot for advertising and time slots on television shows. I'm glad they're putting in the effort but I'm worried they're trying to compensate for a sub-par console.

[ironmonkey]

At this point sony has no worries about showcasing those big guns. Their sitting on cloud 9 while ms is trying to make one. The fact that sony was on the fallon show twice now with 2 actual playable games that jimmy got to actually play is showing how deep doodoo ms is in. Its a fact this gen is sony.

[cell989]

MS is still showing Xbone games on windows 7 PCs lol

[Benchm4rk]

Wrong. That was only one game that was shown

[DivineAssault]

Mark Cerny makes me feel comfortable buying a PS4.. I think ill pick up Knack along with Killzone on launch day.. After playing them all the way through, ill still have plenty of software choices left until the 2nd wave starts rolling in.. PS4 is without a doubt, THE BEST & MOST POWERFUL nx gen system..

[Cryptcuzz]

Once you play those sure to be awesome launch titles you plan on getting, why not try out all those free to play games as well. Personally Warframe looks fun to play.

I am loving how the PS4 is shaping up and got my two preorders in already. What I love equally as much is how the media is totally singing the PS4 tunes after E3. Funny how all it took was exceptional price at $399, a lot of quality games on launch and thereafter, create a system that is non restrictive towards the consumers in any major way and you're set for a good chance at phenomenal sales and support.

Game on!

[blakstarz]

360 looks like it could handle Killer Instinct personally. Forza looked VERY GOOD.

[maniacmayhem]

"Microsoft does allow the transfer and selling of used games under certain conditions,"

Listen....

Can I rent a game from Gamefly or Redbox and pop it in my X1 and play as I did with the 360?

This is my biggest concern with the X1. It boggles the mind that they limited this console right off the shelf.

[Felonycarclub8]

I am still surprised they still haven't said anything about that yet?

[geekspodcast]

I watched this earlier and the crowd definitely seemed enthused when Jimmy pointed out the used games issue. This kind of exposure for the issue can't be good for the Xbox One.

[cell989]

Mark cerny is so classy, right off the bat his answers are clear, welcome to the Cerny Show

[WickedLester]

Classy, with just a hint of brashness.

Jimmy Fallon: "Tell me a little about the PS4"

Mark Cerny: "Well, this is the most powerful console ever made!"

LOL!! I mean right...off....the bat he immediately establishes this!

[Rai]

man..i must be getting slow. it took me awhile to figure out why it was a big deal..this is the casual audience they're trying to win over.

[Imalwaysright]

The word is spreading.

[jmc8888]

Jimmy sounded mighty impressed with the PS4.

Like anyone with a brain, didn't understand the Xbox One (because they have nothing to stand on).

Steam's way of sharing games >>>>>>> Xbox One's way of sharing games

...and then some.

[Relientk77]

Mark Cerny is awesome

definitely getting Knack when it comes out

[PerryCaravello]

Mark cerny immediately goes into spin mode "10 times" more powerful. Come on man, you gotta play the game, it's showbiz... not act goofy AS SOON as the interview starts..biz

Sort of awkward listening to a guy who sounds like a therapist, talking to a live crowd... bad dynamics, you need Jimmy to play the entertainer role while mark rattles off features lol

Is anyone else worried about the "touchpad" going down the river as shit? I haven't heard ANYTHING about it's functions, short of random one-off events.

Oomph, the 1:20 mark. "So this is the ONLY system that supports used games." *crowd cheers* That's what we call #WINNING

[lawgone]

Yes and from the people have spent limited time with it they have said it was unresponsive to gestures. Of course, plenty of time to tweak it so we'll see. As long as it was a software problem and not a hardware problem and some developers put it to good use, it could be a neat feature.

[E2S]

I'm not thinking about MS right now. im thinking how much Knack looks like and reminds me of Hulk: ultimate destruction and rise of the monsters, 2 PS2 classics.

[Darkshader01]

My co-worker love his xbox360. So him, his brother and his cousin discussed it last night what system are they plannign to buy. Both brothers are getting the XBOX1, while the cousin is going to buy both systems. I asked my co-worker what was the factor of choosing the XBOX1 than the PS4. He told me that it is his friends and he has good memories playing Halo and Gears of War with his cousins. And he said the XBOX1 is the future. I explained to him that if MS is forcing the DRM the policy then that will be the future, but if we (the consumer) stop MS then we do have a chance to change their policy. He agreed with me but he will wait if any problems will arise with the first batch of the next gen. Maybe he will buy a PS4 ... not sure yet.

I think most of XBOX gamers are casual players who grow up playing HALO and GEOW. So it is hard for them to leave the xbox camp and join the playstation nation.

[brianunfried]

When Destiny comes out nobody will remember Halo, also it is possible for Gears of War to come to PS4 some day.

[horndog]

Did jimmy say "this is the chritmas gift everyone is going to be talking about" when playing forza 5?? Jimmy knows whats up.

[jollygoodchap8]

It's cool to see games on these talk shows. Really show the masses what's up.

I really liked Conan O'Brien's Clueless Gamer reviews :)

[jackdaddy]

Get in there Jimmy. Microsoft are a bunch of twats and their 'fanboys' are welcome to the One lol. What ever floats your boat USA!

[lawgone]

You sound intelligent. A true representative of the Playstation fan base.

[lawgone]

Playstation has very loud, very young fanboys. Their core user base is filled with 12-year-old boys that flooded the forums (because they have nothing else to do all summer), made a bunch of noise and Microsofts PR department didn't speak up quickly or succinctly enough to quell it. XBox One is light years ahead of the PS4 and that's partially why Sony has been limited to bashing their competitor...they have little to speak about on their new console...new games, better control, some might use a trackpad. That's it. When Microsoft talked about all the abilities of it's device Sony actually bashed it for having TOO MANY capabilities and many idiots fell for it. I'm glad MS made a reversal on their DRM policy but they didn't have too if they had communicated it better in the first place. But mark my words, when this generation is said and done, the XBox One will dominate in the US even more so than the last console.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

this is what my 3yr old says when his mom is talking, and you sound the same-- blah, bl,bla, bl , blah..

The ship is sinking #DEALwithIT

[lawgone]

Thank you for proving my point. Much appreciated.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

@lawgone,..- what? that your Reputation Management

[Protagonist]

"dominate in the US even more"

It seems to me that most of the Xbox "US fanbase" actually realised what a fraud MS was trying to sell and together we actually made MS turn around on their ridiculous policy. You on the other hand are just defending everything MS does with weak arguements...just like a kid.

[Goodfella78]

Wow how the tables turn,m$ you fl,ucked up big time whether you know it or not......

[Protagonist]

Now that MS reversed their policy, I wonder what they will do after that bad publicity on the fallon show.

[redwin]

Well, I expect to get the digital copy of the COD Ghost about a month earlier than the CD.... Lol..

[S2Killinit]

im so very excited. I pre-ordered my PS4 at gamestop and bought The Last of Us at the same time.

[Benchm4rk]

Sony cant sell there console on its own merits. Cerny has to stoop low and take swipes at MS to justify to people to purchase the PS4.

[DOOMZ]

They removed the policies now so nothing to explain, move on...

[MegamanAteMyHomework]

This is how I feel: http://www.reactiongifs.com...

[mmj]

I cringed when the Xbone guy said "you can also play online through the power of the cloud"... got to get those meaningless marketing catchphrases in. :o

[spinbot_lv1]

Pay to play on line=shit. I agree to pay features like cross chat, cloud gaming etc. included in psplus, but not to play online. Free multiplayer on ps4 or I'll not buy it.

[Voyevoda]

Confirmed! Jimmy Fallon is a SONY fanboy!!