“If You go With 4GB of GDDR5″ RAM on PS4, “You Are Done,” Said Randy Pitchford

Our very own Anthony Severino was able to be a part of a roundtable with Adam Boyes, VP of Publisher Relations at SCEA today, with a whole bunch of different topics being discussed, and one of them was all about the PS4 and its RAM.
- PSLS

[Bleucrunch]

Now this is how you go about listening to your audience. You get a suggestion you take it back to the round table of guys/gals and assess if this suggestion should be strongly considered and what are the pros and cons of this suggestions. THEN you make a FINAL decision and move on. Bravo SONY this is how all companies should work.

[TrendyGamers]

I couldn't agree more, they are awesome.

[Nitrowolf2]

the 8GB of Ram was a good decision.

But Randy, I will never forgive you for Aliens.

[abzdine]

PS4 was made by developers for developers which will benefit to the consumer in the long term.

PS4 ftw

Greatness awaits
4>1

[Campy da Camper]

Just preordered from GameStop! They almost sold out. The entire district here in the PAC NW is almost completely sold out!!!! Damn!!

[BitbyDeath]

Funnily enough 4GB GDDR5 is about what Xbone has available for games.

[badz149]

erm...the XBone doesn't have GDDR5 at all! it's a single pool of 8GB DDR3 for the whole system.

[BitbyDeath]

@badz149,

Yea but they have 5gb ddr3 for games which is slower than gddr. So it is more or less equivalent to 4gb gddr5

[moparful99]

@bitbydeath The ps4 has Unified GDDR5 architecture. This setup places both the cpu and gpu directly on the motherboard with short pathways from them to the ram. If im not mistaken I remember reading that the PS4 architecture uses a mother die/daughter die setup that creates a high bandwidth low latency architecture.. Sony designed the ps4 about as well as they could have for the money.. Its going to be interesting to see just how much of a difference this decision will make.

Found a great article that better explains all of this.. http://techreport.com/news/...

[Tr10wn]

Ill just said it like it is, i wont buy Xbone or a PS4 but Cload Computing>GDDR5 RAM eventually, if you dont know what it is just google it.

[darthv72]

when Epic told Ms they needed to up the memory in the 360 from 256 to 512.

Its good when the platform holders listen to the developers suggestions.

the PS4 and the games will benefit greatly from a wise decision like this.

[showtimefolks]

GDDR5 will pay of in later years of console life

8GB ram is huge when considering that last gen we were at 512MB and maybe 1GB lol

still the only difference we will truly see is when 1st or 2nd party developers work on the system

[a_bro]

to be honest i thought consoles were going to have 1 or 2 gbs at max. this caught me off gaurd to be honest.

[Slade23]

Xbox 360 - 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM clocked at 700 MHz

PS3 - 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

I guess this is it.

[dantesparda]

Xbox 360 - 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM clocked at 700 MHz

PS3 - 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @ 700MHz + 256MB XDR RAM clocked @ 3.2GHZ

this is it.

[pixelsword]

"GDDR5 will pay of in later years of console life"

Good, it means I can wait a few years while the price drops. :D

4=1

[showtimefolks]

pixelsword

i think this is the first time in a long time where i won't be buying the system on day one, my ps3 will still be supported so i will wait for things to calm down after holiday season before picking one up hopefully in a bundle

also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014

[Doctor_Freeman]

@pixelsword "Good, it means I can wait a few years while the price drops."

@ showtimefolks "also this way if the system has any issues most likely those will be fixed by march 2014"

We're on the same page, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait (play it by ear) till bugs get worked out, maybe a price drop (not holding my breathe) and games start to get released.

[Triforce079]

Ram isnt going make for better games i'm sorry but wiiu games at E3 prove this Beyonneta2,X,MK8,ect ect look way cooler than anything ive seen on ps4 or xbone so far and thats that.

Wiiu is said to use 1.5GB RAM on games in the future so basically you can compress memory by 10 fold on Havok nextgen and gain more speed whilst doing this so higher performance with alot more ram for textures and AI ect in other words if you used 512mb just on textures you essentially have 5GB to play with and lots left for nextgen physics and AI so all this ram talk really gets me mad.

Ive always said let the games do the talking and Nintendo did that in spades at E3,yes they left a few big titles out like Zelda,Metroid,ect but hey next E3 will showcase these games and they will look fantastic i heard Retro is thinking more of a Metroid universe and it will take time so i can be patient for them titles,but yeah wiiu E3 won in my eyes by far,ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.

[showtimefolks]

Triforce079

the only thing i got to say is watch MGS 5 extended trailer

the moment they are on top opf the mountain and says welcome to Afghanistan damn that looks stunning

also we didn't see the best looking games till 3-4 years in so wait, i like wiiu for what it is but let's not get over board nintendo isn't trying to push any graphics boundaries, and that's fine because they go with different and new art style for their games

that 8GB of ram will pay of down the road

[moparful99]

@triforce ""ps4 has lots but the games just seem the same not nearly as fresh as what Nintendo have in store.""

Did you seriously say that nothing on the PS4 looks as fresh as the wii u lineup? Wow so the deluge of the typical 20 Mario games, Zelda games and more iteration of old franchises like smash bros and donkey kong is fresh?

Need to take off your Nintendo colored glasses man. I guess ignorance truly is bliss.

[Zebaz08]

Triforce, so mario kart 8, another smash, other donkey kong, a zelda remake are all fresh for you? xD,

[Rhythmattic]

Pixelsword...

Looking @ your recent anti sony posts, it wont matter what the PS4 price drops to..

Your here to do a number one on the four . where in fact the One is a number Two.

[kneon]

8GB was to be expected, each gen Sony has increased RAM by a factor of 16. People laughed when I suggested they might have 8GB but it's right on schedule.

We need a new law to go along with Moore's law, call it The playstation law, each gen will increase RAM by a factor of 16.

So next gen we're looking at 128GB :)

[Slade23]

God Sony, they're on a ball Right now. @streeks I hope these companies taking a lot of notes because they need it.

[b-real]

With 4 straight years of losses - amounting to billion's and billion's of dollars - yeh, Sony Corp is the ideal company for companies to 'take notes' on /s

[moparful99]

@b-real THE most successful game company in history is exactly who you want to take notes from. Sony has the two best selling consoles of ALL TIME in the ps2 and ps1 respectively. Not to mention the playstation division is in the black and has been for a while now... Just because they don't nickel and dime their consumers to death in order to make their financial reports look stellar doesn't negate their importance to the games industry as a whole.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

@ b-real

Be a gamer, not a Financial officer.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

“If You go With $499″ for Xbox, “You Are Done,” Said ME

[sobekflakmonkey]

to be honest, pitchford was right, if Sony went with 4gb's it would have been over for them, MS would have taken the console market by storm and Sony wouldn't of been able to keep up graphically to the Xbone, BUT because they did go with 8gb's that leaves 6 or 7 gb's of gddr5 ram for the devs to use, which beats out MS' 5gb's of useable ddr3 ram, my only issue is...why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself (I have 16gbs) I feel like that might have gone over better, being that gddr5 is better at certain things and ddr3 is better a other things...but I don't know...I'm still excited anyways..

[peowpeow]

There's articles and some good comments on the benefits of shared memory as opposed to the split cpu/gpu RAM. Seems a good choice

[nosferatuzodd]

indeed lol

[Boody-Bandit]

SUATMM

I concur.
That's why I pre-ordered the PS4 for $399 as my next generation console. More power, more studios, no restrictions, no DRM, just games, games, games and more games. Plug and play entertainmentgasm.

[WeedyOne]

@sobekflakmonkey

"why didn't Sony use ddr3 as well as gddr5, I mean in any gaming rig, thats basically what you have, your GPU has gddr5 ram in it (mine has 4gb's) and then you have your ddr3 ram thats inserted into the motherboard by itself"

Its because the memory on the PS4 is unified and shared between the CPU and GPU. Meaning the CPU and GPU pull from the same source of memory.

[nosferatuzodd]

Indeed well said

[Triforce079]

WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ?? games do the talking not RAM and graphics are only as good as your gpu ect and bandwidth ram in wiiu's case lots of edram cache and edram in general makes it miles faster than ps4 fact and games like mk8 with them graphics at 60fps show this.

[Dannycr]

@Triforce WHAT!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Crack is a hell of a drug. A family friendly version of Bayonetta and the Awesome looking game from Monolith aren't even close to any of the next gen games showed by Microsoft or Sony.

Please leave the fanboy blinders at the entrance.

[LeCreuset]

@Triforce079

"WiiU uses 1GB and is said to use 1.5GB in the future,so please explain why Beyonneta2 and X look graphically better than anything ive seen so far from E3 ??"

Because you need glasses?

[moparful99]

@triforce so this http://www.youtube.com/watc...
looks graphically better then this? http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Dude you are drinking way to much Nintendo Koolaid.. Bayonetta 2 is a game being developed for a system entering its second year on market and the ps4 hasn't even launched yet and Killzone has considerably better fidelity than bayonetta 2..

[Zebaz08]

Triforce , stop trolling. You are not even good at it

[Neonridr]

While I enjoy Triforce's enthusiasm, you can't deny his truth that Monolithsoft's game looks like something you would expect to see on the PS4 or XB1. That game is quite stunning, especially for a Wii U game.

Nintendo first party games look completely different because of the art direction and style of the games. They look beautiful in their own ways. Pikmin 3 looks gorgeous.

But Titanfall and KZ both look amazing as well.

[Eck0]

@Triforce079 was watching the trailers in 240p.. probably.. even COD ghosts looks better (ima big COD fan {i know shut up} and COD looks shitty for being 'next gen') than wiiu best graphics.... wii u is just an xbox360 who takes protein shakes (graphically) speaking

[SDS Gamerfiend]

Agreed!

[danthebios]

Im thinking its going to be the era of Ps2 all over again with the ps4:)

[Chucky2003]

Yeah,too bad that Randy Pitchford doesn't and fucked up the Aliens game

[Kaneda]

"PS4 was made by developers for developers which will benefit to the consumer in the long term. "

Not this generation, but next generation you will see DRM just like M$. Like you say about Pay to play online... just inevitable...

M$ caved in to developers, $ony will too.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

MS Just loss consumers so I don't think Sony will follow anytime soon.

[Kaneda]

Both consoles are not on the market yet. We don't know the numbers. But you just hope that M$ isn't going to pass 40 mil. Because if they do it is just INEVITABLE...

[dbjj12088]

Ummm, they aren't right? Why is that a worry? I thought 8BG of ram was confirmed?

[Enemy]

IF they would have gone with 4GB, which was originally planned. Yes, 8GB was confirmed at the PlayStation meeting in February.

The funny thing is that 4GB GDDR5 is still much better than 5GB DDR3.

Bring on Borderlands 3 for PS4. >:)

[Cam977]

Regardless, both the ONE's RAM and the PS4's RAM are very good in my opinion. Well, maybe not the BONE's as it could face issues later on in its lifetime, but the PS4's is basically limitless.

[PFFT]

Yes no doubt BUT the difference wont be really noticeable.

[Elit3Nick]

This is true, a lot of people don't realize that a lot of gaming rigs still use DDR3 over GDDR5

[CaulkSlap]

@Cam977

Xbox One's RAM is pretty decent DDR3 but there's a reason they don't use that kind in graphics cards. It's great for CPU related functions but the much lower bandwidth makes a huge difference in graphical rendering. The reason Xbox One has the EDRAM and the "Move Engines" is to try and compensate for that. PS4 doesn't have the problem to begin with.

Read some good in depth hardware analysis articles (by people who know way more than me) and it seems like PS4 is about as perfectly balanced architecture for a game machine you could design.

[hakesterman]

I think 8 GB's is over kill myself. I have a PC and i have a 2 GB DDR5 Graphics card that play's the best and newest games in 1080P at 60-75 FPS and the most Ram it ever uses is 4 GB. So what is the other 4 GB's of Ram going to do for the PS4? Anyway all is well i guess.

[badz149]

"a lot of people don't realize that a lot of gaming rigs still use DDR3 over GDDR5"

dude, do you even know what you're talking about? most gaming rigs today are already using GDDR5! if your pc/laptop only use DDR3, it's probably NOT a gaming rig because that means it uses integrated graphic, not a dedicated graphic card!

any pc/laptop claiming to be for "gaming" MUST have a decent GPU, which in this case ALL of them are using GDDR5 already!

[PiTCHBLaCK]

@ hakesterman

Are you sure you mean DDR5?
My Video card uses 2GB GDDR5.

[mushroomwig]

Read the article, Sony were thinking about going with 4GB until they were convinced to double it.

[wishingW3L]

and the funny thing is that he convinced Sony by ranting: "you guys, you never listen, you’ve never been good at this stuff."

XD

[2pacalypsenow]

No The articles says that they were talking to Randy pitchfork about the Ps4 and said we are using 4GB of ram and Randy said if you are then the PS4 will be a failure so then Adam Boyes thought about what developers want and said HEy we can do 8gb of ram

[mediate-this]

what?

[Gardenia]

And all of this for 399

[wishingW3L]

it could have been like $300 with 4Gb of GDDR5. But then they would take 1 for the OS and only 3GB for games. =/

[CaulkSlap]

I think a year ago 8 GB GDDR5 would have cost about $300 alone. Now probably still like $100 but will only get cheaper. Sony just hit the absolute perfect timing here when the costs came crashing down.

[Cyb3r]

Who cares what Randy Pitchford says

[torchic]

clearly Sony does, and boy will it pay dividends

[Belking]

Well he should of given them advice on how to sell tvs too.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

TV's have way too much competition, Gaming Consoles don't.

[InTheLab]

Sony...apparently

[humbleopinion]

It seems many people do, and even more people should. Here's an amazing lecture from him at DICE summit:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

So glad Sony managed to pull 8GB of GDDR5. Last gen Microsoft listened to Epic suggesting them to increase RAM from 256MB to 512MB and it was probably the smartest decision they made - helping them surpass the PS3 in terms of performance. It's funny how the tables have now turned :)

[NameRemoved0017]

Ram speed does not matter that much for games so stop using GDDR5 as a huge performance boost.
Here is a good video on what ram speed does for games:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I am sorry but the bottleneck for the next gen consoles is the horrible CPU (its about 1/3 the power of an intel i5 desktop cpu)

The faster speed WILL matter for the gpu though it is a huge performance boost over the xbox ones VRAM speed NOT RAM

[mushroomwig]

So what? The article is regarding the amount of RAM itself, not the type.

[sarlucic]

And why would ram speed matter more in photoshop than in games?

[Autodidactdystopia]

I understand that you are still hyped off e3

but trust me when I say this. Ram speed matters WAY more in compute intensive programs than in games.

I know the ps4 is beastly and yes gddr5 is the better choice

In laymen terms
gddr5
Fat pipe slow stroke

the fat pipe allows for parallelism and large chunks but can afford high latency due to the fact that it can do other things while its waiting like "rendering" on a gpu cough cough gaming with tons of gpu accelerated post processing etc etc.

ddr3
Skinny pipe Fast stroke

not too skinny but smaller I/O channels and only writes or reads per cycle
however the latency is much lower meaning compute intensive tasks can access ram in smaller chunks much more quickly. needed for things like "rendering" on a cpu cough cough photoshop max maya c4d etc.

so ram speed does matter in photoshop more than in gaming but that is negligible.

[hakesterman]

Photoshop doesn't require anything close to DDR5 Memory.

[Autodidactdystopia]

@hakesterman

first there is no such thing as ddr5 memory.

and what you said doesn't make much sense.

gddr5 is in reality much much "slower" than ddr3
however it makes up for it in bus width 512bit as opposed to ddr3s usually lower bus width.

and the fact that ddr3 only reads or writes per cycle and ddr5 does both read and write per cycle.

and dual clockspeeds.

but photoshop when being used for more than just your basic "paste a face on a guy" gets very compute intensive for people in that industry. complex projects are known to eat memory like 16gigs for breakfast, and in a compute intense environment latency is king, ddr3 is low latency and perfect for pcs and applications :)

gddr5 is entirely based on ddr3 with added features for cramming data from parallel sources ie gaming. meaning when the gddr5 is forced to wait due to its high latency the system can do other things.

wait used in a very genral manner as the time spent waiting is usually on the order of nanoseconds haha :)

[Axonometri]

Really? No difference, in any way? Why would anyone decide to use it then? lol

[NameRemoved0017]

CPU and GPU bottleneck long before ram does because ram is already very very very very fast. I have a ramdisk and my ram is @1866 right now and if I benchmark my ram disk it gets 12GBps read/write.

[Axonometri]

Your missing the whole picture though hdshatter.

[Enemy]

http://n4g.com/news/1273972...
http://n4g.com/news/1275815...
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

PS4 has more memory than Xbox One has in its DDR3 + ESRAM combined. Let's not forget GPU domination as well.

[koolaid251]

But all the games I seen at e3 look similar to the xbox 1

[god_o_war]

@koolaid251

On the Gametrailers interview with Tretton he says that according to devs the PS4 is a much more powerful console and that if you compare the games side by side (multi-platform Im guessing) it'll be obvious that they look and run better on the PS4.

We will just have to wait and see how true this is but my guess is the mans probably right!

[Tundra]

GDDR5 RAM enables a larger memory bandwidth cap. Memory bandwidth is the maximum rate that data can be utilized before it starts choking up. If my game settings require up to 180 Gb/s at times and my memory bandwidth is only 160 Gb/s, then I'm SoL and I have to turn down either the resolution, texture resolution, AA, AF or Field of View. If I don't, I get a stutter fest.

DDR3 naturally has a lower mem bandwidth when taking into consideration the same conditions (memory bus, clock rate, etc.)

The RAM capacity is important for how much data is stored for the game. If the game is over the max, too bad so sad. You're going to have a bad time and the game will probably crash.

TL;DR

GDDR5 can possibly allow you to have an easier time running higher res textures and higher resolutions without running into the bottleneck of an overbearing data flow.

[wishingW3L]

it was developers who asked for unified GDDR5 so there most be an advantage.

[PSVita]

The bigger issue is there's only 5GBs for the the XBox while the PS4 has 7GBs.

[badkolo]

when did ms say this, iwanna see ms say this and ms reveal its 8g ddr3 and where they mention the actual specs, cause so far i cant find them other then people spitting out stuff that hasnt been coinfirmed

[PSVita]

Maybe your just not looking hard enough.

http://www.examiner.com/art...

https://www.google.com/sear...

[kingPoS]

It's not just the ram that gives the ps4 a boost. It's the sum of all it's parts.

That why their going about it having a balanced architecture.

[neogeo]

@HDshatter. Your video link does not apply to APU's They are highly dependent on ram speeds and make huge differences in fram rates in games.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

see real results.

[Lionsguard]

Looking back, I'm still blown away by the fact that they only had 256mb of ram for the PS3 and devs were still able to make the most of it. I can't wait to see what 8 freaking gigs will do. Even my Titan only has 6.

[PSVita]

And for the price, its just amazing.

[ftwrthtx]

Having developers help create the platform is genius.

[TrendyGamers]

Yeah, it ensures they can make the best possible games on the PS4.

[Benchm4rk]

Yeah its what Microsoft done with the original Xbox. Asked developers what they wanted. That's why it got a hard drive built in and higher specs. Pity they didn't do that this time around

[Virtual_Reality]

Didn't other sources saying is now using 7GB? (for games)

[danny818]

Maybe because the os is using 1 gig

[WeaseL]

1gb is for the OS the other 7gb for games

[ziggurcat]

8GB of total RAM with 1GB dedicated to the OS, i believe. still, 7GB of RAM dedicated to games is a lot better than the 5GB dedicated to games on xbone (since their OS will chew up 3GB).

[PSVita]

It's all because they wanted to make it a second cable box and force kinect on us.

[badkolo]

and you know this for a fact, how?

[kane_1371]

ummm he knows it since they announced it themselves

[PiTCHBLaCK]

@ badkolo

Because MS Said so duh.
MS Said Kinect Required, MS Said you can use it like a cable box...ya know watch stuff on TV Via your XBO. Games took a back seat on the XBO since all that TV Crap is eating up resources that could be used for...gee I Dunno...games?

MS is Targeting new Audiences so many Xbox fans will suffer because of it.

[Garbanjo001]

PS4 is going to dominate this entire Gen.

[Der_Kommandant]

It has already begun

[Garbanjo001]

My buddies have been supporting XBO, and I see their side. I don't agree with them but I see their side. Most of the games that were shown at the XBO conference (that I'm interested in) are multiplat. I can't wait for a lot of games to come from XBO to PS4 and it runs better.

[C-Thunder]

I have 6 friends that were 360 only this gen and every one had already preordered the PS4.

It will dominate.

[dmeador]

I have 7 friends that were PS3 only this Gen and every one had already preordered the X1

It will dominate

[masa2009]

You sure don't need 8GB of GDDR5 to play Aliens CM.

[RememberThe357]

Well played.

[Destrania]

The same amount (8gb) of shared highly superior GDDR5 RAM in addition to a 50% more powerful GPU (and possibly a more powerful CPU as well) all working together in perfect harmony will easily demolish the XboxOne as far as game quality. It already has. The PS4 version of multi-plats are already confirmed by devs to be the best version (duh). And launch title exclusives are already showing their might. The Order 1866 looks incredible as well as The Dark Sorceror tech demo, both running real-time on PS4. Don't ever say that you won't be able to notice a difference between versions (unless the multi-plat dev is incredibly lazy, which honestly won't stand for next-gen). BTW, I was blown away by the PS4 demos of Watch Dogs, The Division, and Assassin's Creed IV (just saying).

[tuglu_pati]

link or it never happened

[Destrania]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... http://www.pushsquare.com/n... and DICE said that next-gen is Sony's game and also this http://www.gamespot.com/for... http://www.escapistmagazine... http://www.escapistmagazine...

[Destrania]

This too http://www.sonyrumors.net/2... and I might as well throw this in http://www.nowgamer.com/new... + Jack Tretton even said 'PS4 is without a doubt the most powerful platform hands down, go ask the third party developers' those tech demos were real-time on ps4 vs. at the Microsoft conference where they showed a bunch of pre-rendered bs

[tuglu_pati]

Boom! that's a lot of links!

"The PS4 version of multi-plats are already confirmed by devs to be the best version (duh). "

where are the links proving this? I see a link where Sony think they have the best version (duh! like they are going to say otherwise.

"And launch title exclusives are already showing their might."
This is just your opinion.

" The Order 1866 looks incredible as well as The Dark Sorceror tech demo, both running real-time on PS4."""

Tech demos you said it.

Anyway i have no doubt PS4 will have better looking games down the road.

[tuglu_pati]

"go ask the third party developers' those tech demos were real-time on ps4 vs. at the Microsoft conference where they showed a bunch of pre-rendered bs"

really?

[SpinalRemains]

Wow 7 links.

It happened.

[Der_Kommandant]

Alien fans remembers.

[1nsomniac]

Anything Gearbox touches is shit, not just Aliens.

[TrendyGamers]

Not a fan of Borderlands? Or were you more talking about DNF?

[1nsomniac]

Talking about all their games in fact I would rather play DNF over either Borderlands games.

[Destrania]

This just proves once again that Sony is for the developer and the gamer. It's incredible all the fantastic moves they've made along the way to bring everyone the absolute best console for gaming. In Mark Cerny we trust lol (just had to throw that in there)

[1nsomniac]

I absolutely hate Randy Pitchford, in fact if I explained exactly how much I hated him I would be banned from here.. Lets just say I think him & his team are the laziest most over-rated devs in the entire industry & have been since the original Half-Life days.

...but I'm going to have to kneel down & say thank you Randy Pitchford, your inability to work with standard format & demand for extra so that you can continue with your poor coding has actually as a bi-product given Sony some serious extra life for the PS4 that actually will make a huge difference.

[Gh05t]

Wow I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Pillsbury1]

No more gimped 3rd party multiplatform titles. Ps4 will be the lead console for multiplatform titles, Sony is all about the developers . Sony is king again.

[Destrania]

I really do hope all multi-plat development for next-gen is lead on PS4. Developers would be stupid not to, honestly.

[Half-Mafia]

So what does Randy Pitchford think of the 5GB DDR3 on Xbone.

[mmj]

Xdone

[MattMawko]

Is it just me or does anyone think Randy Pitchford looks high in most of his interviews?

A bit off topic.

[maximaz]

Looks?

[sprinterboy]

Imagine what the games will look like come E3 2017, just wow. Wonder what the games would have looked like if sony went with a nxt gen cell with 8 Gb ddr5 ram.

[CaulkSlap]

It would have been an absolute disaster if Sony kept using the Cell. They tried stay away from the traditional PC hardware format with PS3 but they just lost money and it went nowhere. Just made sense to build the perfectly balanced game PC in a box and know how to use it from day 1.

[Bonerboy]

Who cares what Randy "the douche" Pitchford has to say or thinks? He should go work for MS as his bullshit would fit right in with those unscrupulous knobs. Impress me with a great game for once and dont intentionally mislead people so you can sell your shitty games and THEN maybe I'll listen...but I highly doubt it. You Goof.

[DivineAssault]

They killed M$ by doing this i bet.. M$ spies prolly thought that sony was going to stick with the original 4GB so they thought 5GB of ddr3 would be more than enough to kill em.. Glad they pulled this last minute upgrade to double.. Now they have 7GB of GDDR5 for games! theyre going to look incredible in the nx few years.. Hell, they look great now

[badkolo]

im happy it got the 8g ddr5, impressive stuff will come from this but i can see devs giving more love to ms versions for stepping up with the drm for them,

[kane_1371]

Many devs have abandoned DRM already, examples are Ubisoft, Red Disk project, Capcom, Rockstar, Activision even.
But they might bring back the pass for their games on X1

[sync90]

So this is why Killzone SF only used half of the ram.

[cunnilumpkin]

the ram is great in both next gen consoles, what is troublesome is the slow cpu, I imagine this is where devs will into a bottleneck, and the ps4 will have a large advantage that much of the cpu's load can transfer to the more versatile gddr

the gpu in the ps4 is also pretty good, the xboxone is going to be quite a bit behind, also, if they don't drop the price $100-$150 and get rid of the crazy drm crap, they are DONE!

[CaulkSlap]

This gamble paid off so well. 8GB GDDR5 would have seemed astronomically expensive just a year ago. Timing worked out perfectly for the manufacturing tech advancement.

[dmeador]

Gambles don't pay off until you have the money. It will be about two years to see if the risk reward was worth it

[CaulkSlap]

No. They already took the gamble on GDDR5 in the early design phase and it's paying off now during production in that they can actually afford to put 8GB in the thing. Just a year and a half ago 8GB GDDR5 would have been about about $300 alone. Now it's around $100. If prices hadn't come down so much, PS4 would have either been stuck with 4GB or had significantly less (but faster) ram than Xbox One. But instead it has both faster and more ram available to game developers (7GB vs 5GB). Double whammy.

[swerve121]

Everyone here is forgetting that the xb1 is always connected and using the cloud for more power. They said the system has the power of 3 XB1 with the cloud. This console was is not gonna be easy as everyone is making it sound.

[kane_1371]

everyone is forgetting that because it is Bullcrap and not possible.
Lol

[MikeyDucati1]

It's incredible to see how they were the laughing stock at the beginning of current gen to now where they are loved by mostly everyone in next gen. They seem to be making all the right moves. But good lord, honestly that console is pretty ugly. Doesn't matter! I'm still getting the PS4

[Tei777]

They've been the most loved since 2010 :)

[hellvaguy]

Agree with you on ps4 making most all the right moves, and also both next gen consoles are ugly as sin.

[Plagasx]

Still waiting for that Aliens Colonial Marines game Randy...

oh and not that crap we got.

[MikeyDucati1]

Of all the Aliens games that you have played, would you say Aliens: CM was the worst? Cause compared to what atrocities that came before it, it wasn't that bad...

[Hazmat13]

honestly i was wishing to see Metro Last Light on PS4 tech in there conference.

[MasterD919]

MS had time to rival what Sony was offering (in terms of hardware). Yet, they decided to proceed as planned...

[hellvaguy]

Hardware I don't see as any relevant difference between the 2.Maybe several years from now, idk Plus, MS has still not officially released it specs other than the ram and its an 8 core cpu.

Biggest difference for a lot of people is going to be drm and the higher $100 price tag.

[Tyre]

in reply to your ignorant PM. OH man, your a blind fanboy http://www.washingtonpost.c... and didn't your read about PRISM? Do your research ignorant fool. DATA ON INDIVIDUALS IS THE NEW CURRENCY. Keep trusting the ones that trust no one.

[hellvaguy]

@Tyre

It's obvious from your childish insults your very young and immature. But besides that the link you posted hasn't nothing at all to do with this thread on console hardware.

Furthermore, it goes on to say that hardware is for tracking foreign terrorists which for one an thankful for. Only a fool would think terrorist shouldn't be sought after.

[Tyre]

@ Hellguy I'm not going to argue with you again, because it is clearly that your faul in your intent, you knew damn well that you blocked me, yet you act in your reply as if i'm a child. Listen dude, only a fool trades in his expensive earned freedom for some little terrorist acts. Terrorist attacks did not increase since the seventies. The RAF & PLO hijackings went by and nobody even considered to give up their privacy for false security(these 'socalled' for the greater good security is mostly for protection of a few government properties instead of ordinary people) More people die EVERY YEAR of the ordinary flu than of terrorists acts. Since 9/11 our perception of it via the media is that it's more dangerous than a world epidemic. More money is being poured into secutity than research on Aids/Clean Energy/Cancer/dangerous viruses etc. The Germans in Europe are the most against this spying because they know and have learned that governments with these kind of powers turn bad, it is a given that these powers will be abused. The Germans have experienced this Twice in the history. I suggest you do more research to improve your perception of the value of our freedoms. I do not wish to speak to you anymore. You say these things because probably you have a job with the government. Privacy has been institutional as a protection against a overpowered state. Read the constitutions. People have fought and died for these freedoms. What the terrorist intent is that we give up our freedoms like them and imprison our selfs. Don't send me any PMs, will you please?

[caffman]

PS4 first and then Xbox one a month later I think. I don't want to miss out on some great games just because this gen Microsoft are being dumb

[Sarobi]

It's good to see they are stoked, but please don't go making anymore flops like Aliens.. here is to hoping Borderlands 3 will be amazing.

[DVAcme]

See, THIS is how a console company is supposed to please a developer. Not by facilitating them to screw you out of hard-earned money by draconian means, but by giving them the resources to make the best games they can. Kudos to both Adam Boyes for doing what was needed to make the PS4 the best system for developers and Randy Pitchford for giving the advice. I expect many great things from both Sony and Gearbox in the future :)

[esemce]

Yeah 4GB shared would of gimped the system 1GB OS/1GB VRAM/2GB SYSTEM.

[ONESHOTV2]

Triforce079..... i smell a troll lol

[airshiraz]

anti aliasing is really ram hungry and i wish ps4 games to have best antialiasing or i will stick to pc again
forget about antialiasing on xb1 for sure

[Man-E-Faces]

Why in the world does Sony need an outside source like Randy Pitchford to tell them this? Where was the so called great Cerny at to point this out? Where is Naughty Dog, Guerilla, Santa Monica, etc. at? How out of touch are you about what's needed for a next gen console leap and the resources needed to have a smooth experience with multiple things running at once that someone outside your circle has to scold you about what's needed. Thank you Randy Pitchford you just saved Sony's ass this gen, good grief!

[mmj]

To be honest 4GB was probably sufficient with a bit of intelligence from developers, just look what has been done this generation with a fraction of that amount, lazy developers will always want more memory to make their lives easier though.

We should still praise Sony for putting developer demands before their own profit margin as they could have sold a 4GB PS4 at the same price point, there's simply no excuse for releasing poorly running games now.

[r40k213]

While I can never forgive what Gearbox did to Aliens, I definitely agree with Randy. If Sony had stuck with 4GB it would NOT have put the PS4 in a good position. Since they made the switch to 8GB though it puts Sony far in the lead with both better hardware and the huge amount of customer goodwill they've generated the last few days.

[uwazir]

Ive always been a huge sony fan and am extremely pleased with how sony have started off this Gen. But seriously is it just me or are both the ps4 and xbox ugly looking machines. I still prefer the look of the ps4 to the xbox one but in comparison to the original ps3, which was a sexy looking console with its chrome finish, both these consolses diappoint.

[Dfooster]

I think the PS3 was ugly. It looked like a bread bin and its curved top made it awkward for stacking under the tv. I think when you get the PS4 under the tv the slopped front will look quite sexy.

It's definitely nicer to look at than the VCR looking X1 anyway.

[lema008]

Because MS is banking on cloud to make up the difference and then some. Lets just wait and see the real games from both consoles first before rushing to judgement.

[Dfooster]

Now if only randy had listened to the fans of aliens and taken that feedback back to gearbox' round table the world would be an even more beautiful place.

Still well done though randy.

[RedSoakedSponge]

i have no idea why they need to be told that 4gb is too little, but im glad they listen to the devs.

[isyourhouseonfire]

RAM is such a non-factor in console performance. Sony put their money towards the wrong area of research and development. Check out the XBOX ONE's specs.. MS did their testing and are going to deliver one hell of a box.

[despair]

LMAO yea spoken like someone who knows nothing about tech or hasn't see the spec sheets for both consoles.

[TBONEJF]

Why the hell is he saying this too Sony? don't this idiot knows SONY makes software and knows bout PC's memory and processors?

[despair]

Looks like they really rattled sony this time, they finally got them out of the bubble they built for themselves and listened to the developers. Ironically it looks like Microsoft found the abandoned bubble left by Sony and decided to set up shop in it.

[Tegrogg]

Okay after watching the press conference, reading articles, reading comments on many different sites, I cannot just sit back and not post a comment ...

It needs to be some sort of balance

In the beginning I was totally sold on the PS4 to be my gaming device, but that was before the Xb1 announcement . I told my friends that I would wait until I saw something from Xbox...

E3 is here the build up before E3 was that Microsoft failed, and all the other rumors with the Xbox1 failing at being a gaming system. The press conference started and I was blown away by Metal Gear, not because it was Metal Gear but because of the graphics , now as a previous Xbox 360 owner I felt comfortable with what the Xbox1 could do, I went out and Preordered the system, and I preordered Nba 2k14, Battlefield and Watch Dogs all coming out on launch day.. Yes the PS4 is cheaper I was planning on paying at least $500 anyways , I am 30 yrs old , I work , I have a budget for my video game habit, also the fact that I have been waiting for Pc gaming to come on console for years, now let's look at all Xbox or Xbone has to offer entertainment , cloud computing, Xbox live, and the Kinect...... Cloud computing interested me the most because of the possibilities that can be done with it ..

Let's look at the PS4 and why I was sold on purchasing it, the PS4 is more powerful, I did not own a PS3, and maybe PS4 gamers may differ from Xbox gamers, these are solid reasons for me to go out and pre order the PS4 in my mind right
then it hit me, Xbone offers more, if Microsoft is right the risk I take dispite all the negative press will be the right choice, the only thing I would lose out on by not owning a PS4 will be the power of the PS4, I will be pissed off if the multiplatform games look very different on the PS4, but I will be mad but I can live with it..

Now let's touch on what the mobs are talking about , all of the lynching being done towards Microsoft DRM, and checking in 24 hrs etc , Sony could have gone the same route with these policies, and with both companies doing the same thing I wonder what would be the determine factor in buying either system ? ah that's right games, power to deliver the games, multiplayer support, and extras, so to everyone out there stop being followers and become a leader

[hairy]

Even if MS changed everything, made it twice as fast as ps4 and gave away 10 free games at launch I wouldn't give them a cent of my money, their eula terms state pretty clear that they can change their mind at any time they like, maybe one month after launch all the shit features are back,..who know's? I may be immature or naive but I cannot honestly respect someone who buys an xbone knowing in the long run they are destroying "console" gaming and moving it towards a PC model, we are all gamers, rich, poor, asian, american whatever. this is not siding with one company or another this is about our favorite pastime being slowly destroyed

-puts tinfoil hat on- maybe I'm naive, but i beleive i have the right to privacy and to own what i purchased

[cell989]

on bubble for you, exactly my thoughts

[cell989]

I think this time around the RAM will be too much for the actual CPU/GPU, and will be held back to its full potential because of the under-performance of the CPU/GPU combo