Pachter: PS4 price is 'genius,' Microsoft 'messed up' with Xbox One

XMNR: Controversial Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pacther had a few choice words about the PS4 and Xbox One following the two E3 press conferences on Monday and clearly came out on the side of Sony over pricing and a lack of restrictions with the console.

[mattmatt_]

"Well, well, well. How the turn tables.." - Michael Scott

[blitz0623]

Hey look, it's Michael Captain Obvious Pachter

[Gandalf]

Pachter please, we already know it's over.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Hydrolex]

Sony

http://thehomesteadingboard...

[Relientk77]

^lol Hydrolex

The Rock

Hey Microsoft can you smell what Sony is cooking?

[Hydrolex]

Microsoft

http://media.tumblr.com/tum...

[Hydrolex]

Microsoft you jabroni candy ass roody poo.... CAN YOU SMELLLLLLL WHAT SONY IS COOOKIIINNNNN !!

God says Xbox GONE

x1: but my name's Xbox ONE

God: IT doesn't MATTER what your name is !!!

[BattleAxe]

Don Mattrick......You're Fired!!!

@Hydrolex

Come on dude, don't stop there, do a Stone cold Steve Austin impression :D

[Ausbo]

SONY is doomed now. You don't want him on your side. He is always wrong.

[Shadow Flare]

Someone needs to make a gif of the ps4 snowploughing xbone out of the way

[Blacktric]

The Sonysters send their regards...

http://i.imgur.com/jvmS3i8....

It was even worse than the red wedding to be honest...

[Ritsujun]

Pachter tried to patch up MS's wounds.
However, Xbone's already turned into bones.

[loulou]

Microsoft now have the ball in their court

they cannot go toe-to-toe with sony 100 more expensive... So they need to drop the price!

They cannot leave the drm in place so it must be on-line passes like this gen.

Always on-line needs to be rethought as well. The games that need on-line will just have to stay. To late to change that now. But future games need to have options.... Unless they are specific on-line only

Anyting else would be disastrous, microsoft know it. If they dont. This will be the quickest gen ever.

Sony should be thanked for what they have done. But, if microsft change those three things, sony will have a fight on their hands

[RedHawkX]

lol ikr

[Zabby91]

"Pachter picks microsoft to win next console generation"

Pachter, go home.

[douevenlift]

lol For some reason I remember Michael Pachter predicting the next xbone would be 399, in that range, with PS4 being 349.... go home Pachter, you're drunk

[Nafon]

Microsoft when nobody buys the Xbox One:

http://i.imgur.com/QknWd.gi...

[chestnut1122]

Microsoft is down. call an ambulance. Wii u Wii u Wii u

[KrisButtar]

Bubble up, couldn't help but laugh

[Xer0_SiN]

scream laugh when i saw that, i aint even gonna lie ;).

[Relientk77]

Hilarious and clever

[ABizzel1]

Nintendo wants to help M$

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ssj27]

Hahahahah
Comment of the year!

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

..Reggie? is that you?

[Rivitur]

That would be a Francis joke but solid joke nonetheless.

[rezzah]

lol nice one.

[Temporary]

Lmao great

[Protagonist]

Funny ;))))

[theaceh]

The hardest thing to accept for corporate CEOs like Steve Balmer must be that, in the end, the consumer is the real master.

[nosferatuzodd]

chestnut1122
very nice, very nice indeed lol

[showtimefolks]

Lol good one wiiu wiiu lol

[Boody-Bandit]

I email and texted this to everyone I know that has any interest at all in gaming. That was really clever.

+funny

[starchild]

Yeah, but Wii U is even worse. How could they rescue anything?

Sorry, the DRM sucks, but I would still take that over a console that has few games. The exclusives are childish rehashes and it doesn't get very many of the big 3rd party games.

PS4 is the clear choice.

[shuuwai]

thanks.. now I have to clean my keyboard..

[Psn800]

Brilliant !

[RyuCloudStrife]

Copy paste from youtube still funny... I have the original version of the comment and will paste it on another post ;)

[titletownrelo]

lol, seeing the same comment copy/pasted everywhere

[RealtorMDandDC]

You kind sir...

Very clever

[Doctor_Freeman]

Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out Pach.

[famoussasjohn]

Wonder how long it took him to analyze this and determine the PS4 in general is genius and Microsoft messed up.

[TheTwelve]

Pachter said Xbone would win this gen earlier. Remember with Pachter --- whatever he says go with the opposite and you'll be correct.

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[Boody-Bandit]

That was before he knew MS came in at $499 for the XBOX ONE. When Pachter was interviewed after the MS E3 event, he said if Sony can come in at $399 and not have restrictions that it would be game over for MS.

I'm not a Pachter fan or anything. Quite the opposite actually. In that I think he is a pompous ***hole. But it's not exactly rocket science to say Sony has a HUGE advantage going into next gen. The only chance MS has of even being competitive is to 86 DRM and possibly even the price of the X1. If not, Sony will roll over them like a bulldozer.

Pachter, as usual, is just pointing out the obvious.

[lilbrat23]

This feels la deja vu, and the tables are turned.

[T2]

I agree, and I am kind of amazed.. Is anyone else kind of shocked that Sony kind of went the 360 launch route, and it kind of worked? Seems the 399 price is a bit subsidized by online pay, which is pretty smart cuz kids will ask their mom for a 399 present for xmas, then hit them up for the plus sub later... good intro price.
Where MS went the other way, lots of extra toys (which half people don't even want), higher price, still pay online though??? Jeez what were they thinking, they would have been better to go 549 and announce free online forever and say "you will save 400 dollars in the long run"... they did a bad job, pure and simple.

[ravens52]

Why does this patcher have any credibility if anything he shuld b blocked frm n4g. He really grinds my gears lol. Neway a def blind mute can make better predictions than him smfh get him out of here...horrible

[JBallerX]

Great quote! After seeing Microsoft's press conference I was very excited about the Xbox One.

HOWEVER, after seeing the Sony press conference...wow. I was an original PS owner way back in the mid 1990's, and loved my PS2. I grabbed an Xbox and then a 360 and never looked at Sony again. However, given MS policies regarding DRM and used games, this is the generation where I will indeed be switching back to Sony. I've been on Xbox Live for over 8 years, and it is a bit hard to do, but MS made it a lot easier with their anti-consumer policies...and weaker system in general...and price. So I hope to see you all on PS4 next gen, as I will not be getting an Xbox.

[strifeblade]

hey isn't patcher supposed to be wrong? i heard that all of his predictions in the videogame industry are wrong. LMAO

[stage88]

Pachter talking sense.... what!?

And bubbles for you for quoting The Office!

[IRON883]

Well we all know who won this generation :) preordered my ps4 2day!!!!

[generalthadeape]

Me too!!!

[FunkMacNasty]

Wow. Pachter finally gets one right...

[xPhearR3dx]

Well, if you for some magical reason love Kinect, the price of a next-gen console with Kinect at $499 isn't bad at all. I think we can all agree that Kinect is more advanced than the PS Eye, however no ONE cares. Let's also remember the PS3 alone launched at $599. However, Kinect can gladly fuck right off. Make a SKU that doesn't require a Kinect purchase or functionality, then we'll talk. Until then, good luck selling the Xbone.

[Gildarts]

Kinect 2 bundled with Xbox One is great for developers as they can count on it always being there. They didn't mess up the price. The price is just right for what you can get out of the Xbox One.

[devwan]

Unlike millions of users willing to pay a license to play their games...

[airgangstarr]

i dont agree bein that ms is takin thing away with there restrictions a weaker console power wise shouldnt cost more cause it can spy on u no one wants it but ms an bein there having such a pr nightmare there price point was yet another chance to gain support back an they done fucked that up too theres no reason besides a few exclusives to even bother with that anti conumer nightmare.. what happens if ur kinect falls an breaks u cant play ur xbox for like 2 to 3 weeks till u get it replaced ...for what so i can say xbox on cmon i can grab my controller

[RiPPn]

I'm not sure the Kinect is better. The PS4 eye has 2 cameras and can record 3d video. I also imagine this helps it sense depth, etc. Though if the Kinect can see in the dark and sense a heartbeat as perfectly as they say then yeah it would be better. Guess we will see when reviewers can actually play with the hardware.

[xPhearR3dx]

But here's the thing. I don't want Kinect in house. I want NOTHING to do with it, let alone being forced upon me.

And the devs always counting on it being there is even worse. Then we'll get even more wasted development on hand gestures and voice commands.

MS spouted about 40 innovations with the new Xbox controller. How about letting gamers put those innovations to the test instead of throwing Kinect in our face.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

That's exactly the problem. Nobody is arguing value, but not everybody wants a TV tuner, dvr, and mandatory Kinect in the first place. It's funny how PS4 is more powerful yet costs less because of these exact decisions Microsoft made.

[NeoTribe]

Lol give it up man. Crap like that is suppost to be seperate and a choice of the consumer. They knew if they didnt ship kinect with it nobody would fall for there useless gimmick again and buy it.

[DJMarty]

Kinect 2 runs at 30fps, compared to PSeye 60fps-240fps depending on res.

4>1
60fps-240fps>30fps(LOL)

[Legion]

Eye = 1280 x 800 pixels x 2 @ 60fps
Kinect2 = 1920 x 1080 x 16 bpp 16:9 YUY2 @ 30fps

Hmmm... Which is better?

We don't know what the Eye's depth stream is, Registration nor it's Infrared Stream (IR) does it even have it? What about it's latency? Big issue if it is poor as the first eye was. (though I am sure it will be much better)

And we don't know the eyes resolvable depth... but we do know it has a 15 degree more field of view (@85*)over the Kinect 2 (@70* horizontal 60* vertical). We don't know the vertical field of view of the eye.

But the biggest thing is the software. And that is were the Kinect 2 has the current real advantage. As MS has put much more support into the Kinect then Sony has put into the eye.

[nukeitall]

@Legion:

You put the nail on the head.

You can't just look at the fps, but also the resolution of the depth sensor and the software magic behind it.

At this point there is so much technology inside the Kinect One that I think Sony can match up, both in hardware and software.

That is of course besides the fact that the PS Eye is an accessory. Accessory rarely get real support, just look at PS Eye and the first Kinect (the latter had the most 3rd party support ever for a peripheral).

[kayoss]

The Eyetoy cost only $70 the Kinect can not cost that much more.
The problem with the Kinect is that its built in with the xbox one, I'm not sure if microsoft can remove it without releasing patch or something.

[T2]

totally agree, have no interest in a camera, always on or not, NOT getting ps eye either, don't care how advanced either is...

...Actually I can't add anything more than what you said, great post.

[jujubee88]

Namely because he went on Spike TV today and declared VITA dead and said, "3DS and mobile conquers the handheld market!"

Yeah, you freaking called the 3DS D.O.A. awhile back. Damn it, why do you make me mad?!?

Today was suppose to be a wholly good day. :(

[yess]

He even called the Vita "to hardcore" 0_o

Wtf is to hardcore?

But got to give him some credit though, he did get something right for once.

[ZoyosJD]

"Too hardcore" is when your product is aimed at such a small portion of the market that it's own relevance in specialty begins to limit prospective buyers.

Honestly, Patcher's predictions are either so out out there or so painfully obvious that the average N4G user could do his job better, without any insider info.

[jujubee88]

Well, I'm not going to tell the man how to do his job. I just respectfully disagree with his analysis on the basis of many reasons (being that I follow a lot of Sony and VITA specific news and trends).

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

nuff said
http://i.imgur.com/brmNUN6....

[theDECAY]

That one made me cringe...

[Inception]

Oot:
I just read Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan). Great manga. Can't wait what they can do with live action movie :)

On topic:
Poor MS...they shoot themself in the ass. It must be really hurt T_T

[King-Prodigy-X]

Ain't this the guy, who was hollering about how M$ was going to win.

[Cueil]

He thought they were going to be agreessive and that Sony wasn't going to be a loss leader... He felt with the issues Sony is facing that the Playstion couldn't afford to take a big hit. He was wrong on both counts. What seems to have happened is Microsoft knows they're not going to have a lot of console avalible for launch window and so they price their system high because yields are bad on their chips right now. This is a problem that could last into next year. That allows them to then make an agressive price drop in 2014 to align them with Sony who probably wont be droping the price of their system.
A good old fashion Console War is about to be launched and I'm looking forward to se how each console's chosen path pans out in the future. I'll try and get my PS4 pre-ordered, but I'll probably have to work and it'll get hammered at gamestop... not to upset should be able to grab one early in 14.

[T2]

that may be true, but it seems a price drop by xbone in the first 6 months would be a real sign of weakness, may drum up some interest though.

[Cueil]

I doubt in the first 6 months... thinking more around Sept-Nov time frame next year... yields really are going to hurt them in the short term... they've sold out nearly every Day One console so who knows

[Salooh]

I think he wanted to make people expecting a lot from the ps4 to destroy it but he got lucky . Or he already knew about the price ..

[DivineAssault]

They messed up big time.. Everything they did was trumped by sony.. Price being one of them.. Its weaker than PS4 but costs more? I know they force u to buy kinect but the PS4 eye is only $60 so its still cheaper lol.. Plus PS4 comes with a headset

[Gildarts]

Kinect 2 is rocketscience compared to PS4 eye. Don't you dear compare these two.

[Bathyj]

Cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not.

[theDECAY]

Classic! Haha, I still can't believe that guy said that.

[RiPPn]

@Bathyj: rocketscience should be the give away. haha

[KumquatGOATBEEF]

I don't think DivineAssault appreciates your sweet nothings, dear.

[Kurylo3d]

U sure did get a lot of disagrees for saying kinnect 2 is better then ps4 eye. Sony may have decimated microsoft. But dont try to downplay the fact that kinnect 2.0 is way more advanced and capable of way more then ps eye lol. Show me ps eye recognizing the position of your fingers.

[jc48573]

this guy loves his 360 more than the ps3.

[Rusty515]

Pachter finally gets it right

[KingPin]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk...

no, he got it wrong, he just now says what everyone else already knows.
clearly this fool knows nothing about the gaming industry. i suppose patcher canceled that pre-order of his xbox one :p

[strigoi814]

Oh pachter finally...

[Cueil]

so he's always wrong when he doesn't agree with you, but now he's right? I'm confused

[sashimi]

cause its just too obvious. Its the only kind of right that he gets.

[Why o why]

He's a broken clock

[dohdeaux]

^^
Why o why..... actually don't compliment him as a broke clock.... at least a broke ass clock is right twice a day.... where as he's right .... well he's not right ever!!!

[animegamingnerd]

for once i agree with patcher
(these words i will never speak again)

[Relientk77]

Wow Pachter after all this time you finally got it right

good job

[tiffac008]

He got the obvious one right didn't he? lol!

[Relientk77]

I like how u just took away all of his credit lol, even if it was just a little bit of credit

[talocaca]

Didn't he say it was game over for Sony a few weeks ago? Why do we still listen to this bitch!

[Kurylo3d]

You listen to him?... wow...

[Kingthrash360]

can someone please tell me why I hate pachters face??
is it true gamer intuition?

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

He reminds me of the Dad from American pie.
Every time i see a pic of him i always chuckle.

[sly-Famous]

This is a lie, it has to be, right????? Pachter had somthing bad to say about MS and xbox????

[Jamaicangmr]

He's just happy that he got something right.

[Bathyj]

He finally got one right?

This truly is a special day.

[RandomDude655]

The end is nigh!!!!!!!!!!!

[Theyellowflash30]

Freaking Idiot Pachter predicted the consoles would be cheaper than this. God....why do people listen to this guy?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Sony did play their cards well on price and drm checks for sure.

[greenpowerz]

Yes they did, their entry level price is better. PS4 is more expensive if you wan't to play Online and get a camera ($520)

In the end you can get a PS4 for cheaper but if you wan't close to the same experience as Xbox it's more.(minus the XB1's Superior hardware design, camera design and system software)

My Xb1 is coming with free games, content, XBL gold etc. for $500

Hardcore gamers will see it this way and MSFT has more and better exclusives to boot

[theDECAY]

PS4= 399
PSplus=50
PSeye = 60

Total = 509 ( Keep in mind, we don't need the eye)

Xbox One = 499
Xbox Live = 50

Total = 549

I don't get what you're saying?

[grassyknoll]

You're bad at maths. 500 + 50 = 550.

[Sephiroushin]

What? go back to school and learn some maths, come back later...

PS4 = $399; while
Xbox One = $499

PSeye = $59 and you don't even need it

XBLG and PSN+ cost the same, if you are a gold member you don't need to buy another subscription until it run out, yeah so what? If you're a PSN+ member you don't need to re-subscribe ...

and PSN+ members get Drive Club for not additional cost as well, and PSN also have deals, that without counting the deals for PSV and PS3 that PSN+ brings

Better exclusives comes down to preferences but seeing the amount of exclusives PS has, I think you can easily find "better exclusives" on PS ...

[Garbanjo001]

@Greenpowerz

My logic is undeniable.

PS4/$399
EYE/$60
PSN/$60

XBO/$499
XBLG/$60

I don't have to buy the eye, or PSN at all, leaving the console for $399.

With the XBO I HAVE TO BUY LIVE just to PLAY a game. So, $550ish for your console vs. $399 for mine. Questions?

[DoesUs]

"(minus the XB1's Superior hardware design,"

I'm afraid not sunshine. How many times must one tell you (shill) the Xbone is inferior in the technical aspects. But hey, you fight your corner champ!

[HammockGames]

@ Greenpowerz

Dude, you're as delusional as they come. Get help.

Your cost analysis rings hollow.

You realize most folks will probably skip the PS Eye, right? Just like most people buying the Xbone would skip the Kinect IF they even had the option.

For your own part, you realize you're supporting a DRM machine that guarantees you "own" essentially nothing. Don't fall for it.

[callahan09]

@greenpowerz, you are purely delusional. First of all, a year of PS+ is $50, not $60, so getting a year of PS+ and the camera, plus the console, comes out to $510, not 520.

That's the *SAME EXPERIENCE* as the Xbox One, oh, except that you still need to get the Xbox Live Gold account, which *is* $60 for a year, which brings you up to $560. So it *is* $50 more expensive to get a year of Xbox Live Gold + Xbox One + Kinect, than it is to get a year of PS Plus + PS4 + PS Camera.

But you have that price option on PS4 to not get the Camera, making you entry level with a year of online service equal to $450, whereas it's still $560 on Xbox One with no cheaper option. That's a big price advantage for the PSone. When you consider the pricing in the European markets, Sony is even less expensive in comparison (converted to US dollars it's about 130 dollar advantage instead of a 100 dollar advantage).

Keep in mind that with the PS4 you have no online check-in requirement, no DRM, and all of the online apps like Netflix are free to use without being behind the premium account paywall like on Xbox Live.

Finally, the PS4 is region-free, but the XBone is region restricted, and the PS4 allows you to replace the hard drive with any size you want, while the XBone does not.

Oh, and where did you get the idea that XBone has superior hardware design? That's absolutely ridiculous. There is no factual basis to back that up whatsoever. In fact, it is universally reported in the technical gaming publications like Digital Foundry that the PS4 is more powerful and has the simpler to develop for architecture versus the XBone.

More and better exclusives? Just because MS blew their wad and showed every single game they have in the pipeline doesn't mean they have more and better exclusives.

Sony hasn't shown was Media Molecule has in store for us. Remember Naughty Dog, the most highly respected developer in the industry? They'll be bringing something to the PS4 as well. Sony even outright said that they have 30 games in development and 20 will be out in the first year. Microsoft only claimed to have 15. That blows your "more exclusives" claim right out of the water, doesn't it?

[bootsielon]

greenpowerz = PowerOfGreen, that old Xbox troll. Where are theMart, bloodmask, Zhuk, et al? lol

[reko]

@greenpowerz get a calculator and do the math right.
ps4-$399
psplus-$50
pseye-$60
equals=$509

[Pillsbury1]

Wtf didnt you have just 1 bubble the other day?! This Microsoft troll should begone!

[sync90]

Hahahaha your delusional.

[Zechs34]

Why does anyone even bother with this kid... He probably lives in a cave hoping his internet doesnt go out so he can at least look at pictures of the Xbox One that he can never afford.

[batbatz]

are you stupid or something?

[Beeker]

Don't forget that you need to buy double A batteries for your controllers also, that adds up over time for the Xbone.

Rechargeable controllers for ps4

[T2]

cmon guys it's been 3 days since the bubble up renewal for e3, can we downvote Greenpowerz back to one bubble already?

the guy is an obvious shill, he didn't do the math wrong, he did it on purpose, he is an obvious troll. Everything he says is completely spin.

[Draugz]

"My Xb1 is coming with free games, content, XBL gold etc. for $500"
It also includes a spanking-new Kinect that spies on you while you game and has a suicide check-in. You know, in case MS might have lost another victim.

[mrmarx]

seriously as a gamer how can anyone excuse microsoft for the type of things they are doing to the video game industry? i guess this is how the majority of xbox supporters feel about how they are being treated by microsoft.

[Orionsangel]

Retire already Pachter. You're the most useless person in the game industry. All you do is make make obvious statements and predictions that are rarely accurate.

[karimooz]

I remember him saying Xbox one will win this console generation :)

[RandomDude655]

So it's going to lose? :-)

[vigilante_man]

You gotta be in it to win it!

[JohnS1313]

Does this mean Sony won? I thought he said Microsoft won weeks ago.

[Stoppokingme]

No $h!t Sherlock, Way to state the obvious.

Honestly this guy can't make his mind up. He's on the record saying M$ will win, now he's done a complete backflip.

[kevinsheeks]

could someone put xbox one on his face in stone cold with ps4 ty

http://24.media.tumblr.com/...

[mrmancs]

Wow pachter has said something true that makes sense for once... Bravo.

[Hadoukameha]

Ugh, can't Sony ditch the headset, drop the GB, and make any other cuts to push the price down to $300? Not that I am complaining, but from a marketing perspective, if Wii U gets the cuts, bundles, ect I think it will, Sony won't be able to compete during the holidays, not with Nintendo.

MS just killed itself, but Sony is on life support compared to Wii U. Needs PS+, HDMI only, no Vita bundle (to compete with Wii U's tablet), more expensive...I think Sony needs to pull some tricks out of their sleeve during E3 or at least before Christmas...

I'm buying one but business in the future is looking better for Nintendo, from an unbiased point of view.

[busytoad]

Lmfao kid nintendo is gone and has been gone for the past few months. nintendo=kiddie games.

[ziggurcat]

uh....

wow, the price was just announced and someone's already crying fort a price cut. drop the GB? i've had to increase the HDD capacity on my PS3 *twice* in the last year and a half because of the amount of digital content i've received (either by purchasing or via PS+).

500GB will fill up fast if you do a lot of digital distribution purchases (not to mention the amount of space taken up for music, videos, etc...). 500GB drives aren't that expensive these days, so i don't think it really contributed too much towards the price.

sony will do fine against nintendo this holiday season... how, exactly is sony "on life support compared to wii U"?? are you sure about that? because by all accounts, the wii U is floundering. it's barely better than what current gen systems can do, and it's not even close to what the *real* next gen consoles can do. plus the wii U has little to no 3rd party support. how can a system be successful if 3rd party devs don't even want to develop anything for it?

sure, you need PS+ to play multiplayer, but you don't need it to use any of the media apps like netflix. and what kind of online network does nintendo have?

HDMI only - if you can afford to buy a PS4 (or xbone, since it's also HDMI only), then you can certainly afford a TV that has an HDMI input. nice try, though.

more expensive - obviously, because the tech contained in the system is way more powerful (and current) than the tech in the wii U. right now, the difference in price is negligible for the amount of power you're getting.

[Hadoukameha]

I have a 250 GB and PS+ with plenty of room! Hell, my 4 GB Vita is fine, bigger does not mean shit to me. Maybe have different models, I guess, for content hogs.

WiiU does have 3rd party support, nice try yourself. And it is real next gen. Even these REAL ones are not THAT much more impressive.

Required PS+ is retarded. Period.

I have SDTV, no need for HD. Waiting for 3D to come down in price anyway.

Power? It's games that matter and Wii U has tons coming, like Pikmin, Smash and Fire Emblem, to name just a few. Wii U is cheap, strong and by December, will have a fat library.

[ziggurcat]

@ Hadoukameha:

i also purchase a lot of digital titles, so that takes up a lot of room. PS4 games will most likely take up even more space, so 500GB is a good thing (1TB would be even better). and again, 500GB drives are dirt cheap, so it wouldn't have really affected the cost of the unit. you've also got to be the first person i've ever encountered who has ever cried about the HDD capacity being too much.

no, not really. EA does not support wii U, ubisoft has recently announced that they are cutting back their support, and who knows what activision is going to do... you can't exactly count shovelware as 3rd party support, which is looking like it's going to turn out that way for the wii U as it did for the wii.

if you don't play multiplayer, then PS+ isn't even an issue. and if you do play multiplayer, PS+ also offers a lot of really amazing incentives, so it's nowhere near as negative as you're playing it off to be. do you also consider paying for XBL gold to do anything online-related (including access to your netflix account, which is not the case on PS4) also "retarded"? and what kind of online network does nintendo have? yeah, thought so...

"no need for HD" - that's the funniest thing i've heard all week. that would have been a valid argument 12 years ago, but not really today.

yes. power. that an expected argument coming from (what i can only assume, based on what you've said) a staunch nintendo supporter. the fact is - more power means a more diverse game library, plain and simple.

[Rockdown]

Brother, are you crazy?

[Foxgod]

Price is great, but wat draws me in as always are the games, i am getting the XB1 first, might get the ps4 later down the line like i did with the current gen where i ended up getting all consoles.

[theDECAY]

Really? I think Sony has a pretty damn good line up of games. Speaking from PS3 to now.

[Jeff257]

Yeah Sony still has a a ton of 1st party studios who are no doubt working on exclusive titles. They showed they have what it takes with the PS3 and I have no doubt they will really do well with the PS4.

Unfortunately I think MS will do the same with XBOX One that they did with the 360. Sure they start out with some good games. But they then lose some of them as exclusives to the PS3 later on and the must have core titles start to fizzle down to just a few standard IPs that they constantly use.

Sony on the other hand is still bringing out great new games for the PS3 even with the PS4 right around the corner. The Last Of Us is one of the best reviewed games this gen and is a brand new IP. Beyond Two Souls is also a brand new game that will be coming out this year for the PS3.

So really if you want to go where the games are then my advice is to go with Sony and the PS4. They may be starting out slow again but they will finish strong. Just like they have since the started.

[Foxgod]

I am not really interested in the exclusives Sony offers, The MS games are more my thing.

[Sevir]

It's like the women who stay with their abusive husband.

Everyone is entitled to spend their money on their way of entertainment.

So let the diehards who want the Xbox one experience at the cost of having draconian restrictions enforced enjoy the Xbox one.

He knows what he's buying and he's fine with it. Just like how you know what you're buying.

[jacksons98]

What has MS studios done for games on 360 in the last year? How about the last two years? MS has essentially left 360 owners to wither and die just like they did with original xbox owners.
On the other hand PS2 had a long life and PS3 has had such a killer year with games you wouldn't even know PS4 is on the horizon. So if you want games go Playstation

[MRMagoo123]

This shall be forever known as "the day Sony killed MS with a side note of the day patch got something right"

[busytoad]

Goodbye microshit it wasnt nice knowing you haha. Sony you guys rock.

[DEEBO]

well the xbox one preorders went fast today at work.i thinking the same will happen with the ps4. but it's not just the price that makes the ps4 look like a better buy.it's also the freedom that comes with it.but xbox one does have some nice games.dead rising&the respawn game.but i'm waiting for a price drop first on the xbox.so it's ps4 for me.

[mediate-this]

I agree with you on some points, but the average gamer does not really know about drm, xbone went fast though I got the last preorder I also preordered the ps4.

so I will be enjoying both

[DasTier]

Why do both companies seem insistent on screwing the UK? $499 does not equal £429 and neither doe $399 equal £349.

Also do both of these prices contain anything other than the console? These prices both seem huge :(

[breakpad]

...he does not understand the fail strategy of M$ ...MS will announce in short time an affordable price cut (without kinect) AND ALL will embrace Crapbox like nothing happens (DRM,always on)

[Rivitur]

Isn't this the same jackass who claimed he k.ew everything before hand and was claiming Xbox dominance over Sony? That's it he is officially almost as big a tool as Major Nelson.

[Garbanjo001]

Blah.

Nintendo is bringing the heat tomorrow.

PS4 won the console war.

Xbox got screwed.

Can't we all just get along? This prejudice is killing me!

[vigilante_man]

His need to be heard is greater than his need to be accurate!

[urwifeminder]

Can sony really afford to sell these at a loss? no wonder they changed the online policy I hope it works out for them.

[Tatsuya]

Most of your predictions are wrong. Michael Pachter, you should be ashamed of yourself!

[Smootherkuzz]

I don't think price is a big issue between consoles it seems its still about the DRM and 24hr check in which is setting them apart.If you worry about keeping your console connected to the internet and not having the freedom do what ever with your game disc then go with the other.For me it don't matter. I could be happy with both consoles.

[DivineAssault]

Sony shocked the world with not only the price being so great, but announcing there wont be any DRM.. They arent forcing all the change M$ is with its restrictions.. Xbox one is going to collect dust all nx gen unless they make some huge changes...

Sony wouldve still won E3 had the console been $500 & had DRM because it has the best games, best value, & best features.. But they didnt even go there & force everyone to change their gaming habits with online curfews, required installs,& all the other horrible decisions M$ has made..

M$ had a chance to be a serious rival to sony but screwed it all up because of their greed.. They arent passionate about gaming, they just want your money from it & any other media hobbies ppl have.. Almost made a name for themselves as big as Sega has but this xbox one is a total disaster.. No1 outside the US will buy it & few inside will.. RIP Xbox

[Obamanationn]

WoW sony has even pachter giving praise to PS4

Xcrap Xposed!

[mochachino]

If there was a Kinect free version for $350 I totally get both, now I'm only gettig PS4

[ThatsGaming]

I'm not sure if the pricing is genius or not...

On the surface it is great, but if Sony cannot fulfill supply and it is constantly sold out it won't work so well for them.

Usually, in the first year, consoles have problems keeping up with demand. Judging by the response on Amazon, both consoles will sell out this year.

This year's sales will be about supply...

[battlegrog]

The funny thing is that Sony can do any media shit pretty much xbone will do. Infact the sony unlimited movies and music will be better.

its twice as fast to click what i want my console to do then to tell it.

[mediate-this]

uh oh... this does not bold well for sony, pachter is always wrong lol

[lucidity]

Pachter's insight is primarily geared towards business folks so doesn't always resonate with gamers. I think he has the right of it here, though.

[Akuma2K]

Its ok greenpowerz, you can go down with the Microsoft sinking ship....no one is stopping you.

[MontyQ]

what still no hitler youtube video about the price ect lol

[mediate-this]

I know right? lol, those hitler parody videos are awesome.

[taijutsu363]

Microsoft employees watching the Sony press conference with a Sony fan among them
http://i.imgur.com/c9X6n.gi...

[Snukadaman]

Sony is learning from their mistakes.....what I do not get is how dumb Microsoft is looking in this whole Xbox one fiasco......oh well....I will wait for awhile like I always do but if push comes to shove I will be purchasing a ps4 first,

[S2Killinit]

very true. Patcher got this right, that almost redeems all of his past mistakes. This was a dead on prediction. well at least as far as who is going to under cut who. I think his actual prediction was 400 for Playstation and 450 (not 500) for xbox.

On another note: what's sad is that you are either paying more than 100 dollars for kinect or MS is screwing you, because Sony's system is more powerful in every way and it costs 400. that means that kinect is gonna cost consumers quite a bit.

[tweet75]

why do i get the feeling xbox one will be microsofts last home console?

[MasterD919]

Why MS isn't back-tracking on any of this immediately while they still can...I will never understand.

Perhaps it's too late? Perhaps they don't want to fall on their swords and would rather consumers make up their mind? I don't know, but I can tell you that MS will certainly be letting go of some E3 heads this year on their side.

Bad moves that are left in play will only beget more bad moves down the line...I'm not sold yet, but PS4's cheaper and I haven't owned a Sony product since PS1 and PS2. It just may be time to get a PS4 if MS doesn't realize what is wrong with their own model (that they created and can no longer blame anyone else with).

[PirateThom]

They've made promises to publishers about the restrictions they can't go back on. The MS/EA partnership wasn't just out of a mutal love of NFL and shooting things.

[isyourhouseonfire]

I'm so glad Microsoft developed another quality console that can help lead console gaming into the future. I do admit that I plan on getting a PS4 as well, even if the XBOX ONE already has a Blu-ray player in it. I think the PS4 will have some nice exclusives that will make it worth the extra purchase.

[WheatBread]

Why do people take this guy seriously? He never knows what he's talking about.

[Monkeysmarts]

Wait, didn't this guy just say last week that PS4 would be $350 and Xbox One would be $400???? lol

[kamakaz3md]

i should be an analyst, because i predicted 400 bucks and that they would tell us the price at E3... as for pachter, hes a complete moron considering he said sony wouldnt tell us a price...

[Knightofelemia]

I love how Sony stood back and let Microsoft go first with the XboxOne. The price, the constant online, the stupid policy on used games. If this were the NHL playoffs Sony just swept Microsoft in the game and is moving onto the cup. Sony learned their mistake when they launched the PS3 and Sony has paid for it and now. Who knows PS4 could repeat the success of the PS2 or even beat the the legacy the PS2 made.

[TBONEJF]

For once Patcher you said something right

[cedaridge]

I just reserve my ps4!

[hduce]

"Pachter: PS4 price is 'genius,' Microsoft 'messed up' with Xbox One"

Most intelligent thing that Pacther has ever said.

[ThyMagicSword]

Shut your mouth, strunz. I will work hard and buy both consoles, the Price is relative. If you work, you can afford to buy both consoles, not like you, strunz... talking the whole day bullshit out of your furnacemouth, Patch 1.0.

[S2Killinit]

knowing Playstation, the best is yet to come.

[SpinalRemains]

Does PS4 allow anyone who comes into my house, access to my PS4 library while they're there?

I know MS allows this. Does SONY?

[lllll-lllll]

I get the feeling MS wasn't ready for a 2013 release and is polishing up stuff they wanted to release on the 360 as xbox one exclusives. Compare this techdemo http://www.youtube.com/watc... with the xbox one graphics. Ofcourse i'm not talking battlefield or cod games, but their exclusives. Sony had a much much better presentation @E3, simply more sincere.

[hduce]

Not a fanboy because I preordered both the Xbox One and PS4 but Sony had the better conference hands down. The games at Sony's conference looked more polished and closer to what next gen should be than Microsoft's.
Microsoft was riding high on the 360's success and I don't think they were ready to make the jump to next gen as quickly as Sony. I think Microsoft was aiming for a 2014 release but things changed.

[Krosis]

Lol it's hilarious to see the posts the mods have designated as "Trolling"--all anti-PS4 remarks. I suppose if they marked anti-Xbox remarks N4G would close down. Bias enforced moderating. But then again, no one is forced to visit this site. Honestly though I think we can all agree N4G is a PlayStation site with tabs leading to mainly PlayStation articles. The system on this site defeats the purpose of having moderators--I don't see why they have a "trolling" button as every comment on every article is the definition of trolling. I guess ill just skip the comments section from now on haha

[Ser]

There are a lot of Sony articles right now because Sony is taking the lion's share of the buzz. Defeating DRM is a actually a big deal for some gamers.

[Monkeysmarts]

I definitely prefer PS4 to Xbox One, but yes I do have to skip most of the comments on articles I'm checking lately, too. Some I read... some I just know will go full retard.

[deanobi]

We all know that the PS4 will come in two versions. That price is actually for the dumbed down PS4. The more expensive PS4 is actually more costly than the Xbox One retail price ;)

Xbox in my opinion has the better games so far shown this E3. At the end I guess we'll be able to tell more closely who stole the show. Sony is still hiding stuff concerning the PS4, more questions have to be answered and they're avoiding them.

[Allowen]

So maybe that rumor where Sony ordered to be made more then 15Millions PS4 where true ?

Because that would explain why they could sell the PS4 that is a more powerfull hardware then the Xbox1 for 100 dollars cheaper.

[Monkeysmarts]

Oops.