Xbox One’s DRM policy clarified and it’s just as bad as we expected

Today Microsoft detailed the Xbox One’s used game policies, and guess what, they’re as bad as we thought. Publishers want a slice of the used game pie, but are they biting the hand that feeds by trying to impose anti-consumer restrictions?

[mcroddi]

they have been forced into an anti consumer product by publishers that were sick and tired of loosing money in my opinion. they budged. Sad.

[lucidity]

We don't know that they've been forced to do anything. Microsoft are perfectly capable of making bad decisions all on their lonesome.

[abzdine]

i dont know why they are holding an E3 conference cause no one would buy that thing after all this mess, no matter what games they reveal!

[HammadTheBeast]

No but MS have been great at throwing off the blame to publishers.

They haven't stated that "We build the goddamn infrastructure for this $***" they've just blamed it all on "publishers are mean".

[Rusty515]

I never understood this used game conflict for publishers. Don't they know that there's a used market for anything? Clothes, furniture, fucking toasters, EVERYTHING. If they're getting so butthurt about loosing money, they should cut down on their damn production and marketing costs, simple as that. They shouldn't punish their consumers just because they can't manage their money well. They shouldn't be getting butthurt about what WE do with OUR products that we PAID for.

[Raf1k1]

@ abzdine, you can say that but with MS's marketing budget and the fact that the system is still quite attractive to the average consumer I reckon it will still sell well.

[unchartedxplorer]

@Rusty. Clothes, furniture and toasters wear down with time eventually. However with games though it will never wear down. It will always be in its current state. The used game market problem is a unique one. If it wasn't, we would have had a solution by now.

[MysticStrummer]

@unchartedxplorer - Explain the sale of used CDs, DVDs, and BluRays then.

[dark-hollow]

@unchartedxplorer
games never get scratched or dirty? a scratched game wont sell for as much as a clean one. even though,
what about used movie DVDs/BLUERAYs, music CDS, books, non electrical kitchen appliances like plates, forks etc. all those provide you with the same quality as if you were purchased them new unless they are damaged (which can happen to games disks too)

there is one reason for this crap and its they want more $$$$$$$

[JokesOnYou]

"No but MS have been great at throwing off the blame to publishers."

Wasn't it sony who was the first to said used games were up to the publishers? lol

[Dee_91]

I dont think they budged, they more so bargained a deal, and originally wanted a piece of the pie, but after the backlash they decided that charging an extra fee wasnt in their best interest so instead they threw the publishers under the bus... well the publishers were already under the bus so I guess they threw a couple of people in the bus and gave the bus driver gas money.
I mean its pretty obvious with those restrictions their intentions were to have a stronghold on the used game market.

@JokesOnYou
The blaring differences between Sony saying its up to the publishers and when MSFT said its up to the publishers have been explained plenty of times, and im quite sure youve read it already.
However if theres a chance you didnt read the difference I will try to explain in the most simplest way possible.
PS4 doesnt require you to be online,therefore limiting publishers restrictions on second hand deals.So when Sony says its up to publishers they mean,it will be like this gen, where publishers can add online pass, make the game online only etc.
Whereas with XBOne, you are required to be on the internet and you are required to install the game.This gives publishers ALOT more power to restrict second hand deals, so much that they can prohibit it even on games that doesnt have an online aspect.
So when MSFT say its up to the Publishers they really mean its completely up to the publishers and they gave them the platform to have complete freedom.

I will also add.Implementing an DRM on your game wont stop it from being pirated.Look at SimsCity, if that game didnt have those restrictions theres a chance it wouldve been less pirated.Prime example of greed leading to to an ultimate demise.
Like gambling or robbing a bank.You keep going because of your greed until you lose all your money or get caught.

[loulou]

dmarc

i have a feeling that the difference for second hand games on the ps4 will be the pass only.

i cant be bothered to write a wall of text. but i think that the disc will come with a once only activation code for ps4 games. then when you sell it, in the partner only chains. you will have to pay either an extra fee in the shop for a new activation code. or you take it home, and buy the code on-line when you boot it up in your ps4 that is connected.

if you sell it anywhere else, then the buyer either connects and pays, or goes to the shop and pays.. simple

and, the activation fee will be the same across both platforms.

either way, you still pay extra. and yes i think it is obvious that m$ are not the only platform holder with drm on their console.

[AlphamusPrime]

@MysticStrummer

Publishers of music and movies have alternative sources of revenue outside of CDs, DVDs and Blurays that they don't have to worry about the used market as much. Music can get royalty fees from radio stations and music sites such as Pandora and Spotify. Movies make tons of money from theater tickets before moving their movies to DVD and bluray. Games on the other hand don't have these alternative sources of revenue, so they get hurt a lot more from used game sales.

[SonyPS360]

Publishers, Microsoft; No matter which of them forces restrictions on everyone, people will still fucking buy it.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Honestly look at what M$ is trying to do.

All they do is try to be favored by publishers.

They constantly keep paying for dlc and now they pay EA to make Respawn's game 360, One and pc only.

All this used game crap is M$ plan to make publishers love them.

It's a popularity contest.

I bet Xbox One will have the better version of COD:Ghost. Watch even though ps4 is more powerful and is x86.

ps4 gamers will have something so complain about.

Do I think Bugs can be left in other versions do to partnerships??

Yes I do. Why would that be hard to believe??
This is America!!!

[Dee_91]

@loulou
Considering activation codes to play single player games are only on some PC games now,you can still use that activation or security code on multiple PC's.But I get what you mean it is a possibility to implement something like that, a horrible possibility and with the way things are going now I wouldn't be surprised if they did implement a new form of DRM like what you mentioned, but they should expect an even bigger backlash,so in a way I wouldn't be surprised if they don't

Also why do you "think it is obvious that m$ are not the only platform holder with drm on their console" ? I mean wouldnt you say the same about current gen? wouldnt it be obvious ps3 will charge for online since the 360 does?

[STEWIE_PLAY_PS4]

That were brought to reveal Xbox one system to stay alright last 2 week ago.
Do that wont change XBOX ONE LOL
Idk cancel.

u hand up to eye cry.

[loulou]

dmarc

i honestly think that is reality. what are we going to? not alot really if we want to play games. and both know it. drm or not, i am still buying both cosoles this year.

whereas m$ version will be verified on-line, i honestly think that sony have opted for the activation code version.

both are part of the partner plan with publishers and large chain stores. and both will have a set fee for reactivation on another console.

this is what the future holds.

edit. why? because a flatout denial would have made the xbox 1 stillborn and gifted sony next gen. and they know it! one little sentence pretty much removes any threat posed.

plus, any unilateral decision by microsft could quite easily have been blocked by the publishers. why? would they risk investing x millions making games for a console that will be destroyed if they go it alone on this? i dont think so.

yet the talk of partner shops and stuff, speaks volumes, and tells me that this was negotiated and decided a while ago.

also, the wii-us almost non-existent third party support. the excuse that the "install base is not large enough" is just rubbish. both xbox 1 and ps4 have sold ZERO consoles, yet are being supported. why? because they have drm! that is why

[Ritsujun]

Microgravedigging.

[fr0sty]

I've been trying to find the reasoning behind MS castrating their core gamer market the way they have been. Certainly they don't think the casuals will buy into a box to watch tv on that you have to connect the box you already watch tv on in order for it to work... Certainly they don't think that kinect is going to sell it, especially when you have TVs from LAST YEAR that do all that stuff already (see link below). The casual market isn't going to buy this stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Hook that TV up to a PS4, you have the best of both worlds.

[BootyBandit]

@mcroddi

It's not MS it's the publishers?

Did the publishers make MS charge to play games online on the XBOX & the 360 (XBL)?

Did Epic make MS charge for the 1st DLC on the original Gears of War?

Answer to both = NO

This is MS's doing. You and other apologist can say otherwise but we, those don't live in a fantasy world, know the truth. MS paved the way for this greed in console gaming.

They are the ones that designed a system to be always on. They can try to pretend all they want it's not always on with this nonsensical verification every 24 hrs. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that means a continual connection. Who is going to literally sign in / turn on their XBOX ONE every single day? You're not. MS will check through Wifi or a hardwired connection when the unit is off.

They are the ones forcing consumers to have a camera connected for the unit to work so "hopefully" their consumers will purchase crappy shovel ware games. Personally this always active camera is creepy. Especially considering the whole PRISM scandal and the fact MS has been accused of spying on people through Skype as well. Conspiracy theorist or not, why give them the opportunity?

This whole multimedia device vs being a hardcore gaming console 1st and foremost is a joke. Stop pretending MS are the victims. They are the aggressors.

They (MS), as the manufacturer of the hardware, are the ones that set the precedent with their design. Not vice versa.

How people still defend MS with what they are doing to an industry most of us love? It simply boggles my mind.

[N4Flamers]

@alphamusprime

so you say games have no other way to make revenue huh? have you heard of dlc? Have you considered releasing a game digitally over a network? Publishers charge for avatars or clothes for avatars, static themes, dynamic themes, toys, clothes, partnerships with doritos, mountain dew... Do some research.

How about you stop apologizing for developers and give us a reason why we should keep playing a game. Why dont they add incentive to keep a game like dlc, or allowing user mods on consoles instead of constantly trying to get over on the guy that is bored with your game a week later. There are plenty of things they can do to keep people playing a game, but they require thought and imagination.

[cheetah]

Not only is this move by MS/EA/Activision a way of controlling the used games market, it is also aimed at raising the price of new games. People don't realize this.

If you remove the attraction of buying cheaper second hand games by setting a higher price, then you leave the consumer with only one option and that is new games. Now that they have us by the balls people like Bobby Kotick know that they can lift the retail price for new games.

It's like pizza hut here in Australia. They used to sell large pizzas for $8 and that was the only size they had, a new CEO comes in from the States and introduces a new medium pizza for $7, guess what happened? No one buys the medium pizza and the large is now $11.

[windblowsagain]

Yep that's correct.

It's called the 360.

Rushed out the door, xbone will probably have the same problems.

Anyway doing the math I've worked out that.

77million - 7million rrod.
Other faults - 3million
Banned consoles - 2million

People angry at xbox one and not buying it.

??????

My top end guesstimate for xboxone.

45million.

[Pro Racer]

"Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete."

-Major Nelson (05/24/13)

Sounds like we pretty much nailed their policies back then. So MS doesn't profit off of used games, but publishers have the option of taking a cut. I can't wait! You just know how this is going to turn out with EA's track record, and it won't be good.

[Takwin]

@lucidity - so well put. Microsoft has always gobbled up companies and devoured global markets, but making asinine anti-consumer policies and products is their bread and butter.

[fermcr]

This is good news for my wallet. I'm saving money. One less console to purchase.

[Consoldtobots]

I have absolutely ZERO interest in the xbox brand this time around.

RROD = 1billion +

Buying into former ps exclusives + timed dlc = 50 million a pop

Only to alienate 90% of your demographic instead of building on it = PRICELESS

[HammadTheBeast]

When did publishers lose money? The industry has always been like this.

It's greed. Getting money from you after the game has been sold.

Its no longer about the DLC or expansions, no, its about screwing over consumers.

[Eamon]

This I agree. No one is losing money.

This is just an opportunity to make more money. This DRM will flop just like all inappropriate DRM have flopped.

I'm sure when a lot of people realise you can't get used games for Xbox One, they will be put off buying one and MS will have to make a U-turn once more like they did with the Start Button in W8.

[dragonyght]

when gamestop started the practice of selling used copy 5 dollar less than a bring new games on launch window of that game and pushing every customers who come to their store to buy the used game over the bring new ones

i.e heavy rain sold over 2mil copy and dev statistic show over 4 million player play the game. that's a real problem

that said i don't support any form of DRM that restrict gamer ownership publisher just have to find a happy medium where everybody can be happy and MS new policy aren't it

[Dee_91]

@dragonyght
" heavy rain sold over 2mil copy and dev statistic show over 4 million player play the game. that's a real problem "

Im like 99.9% sure those are people on different profiles playing the game.Whats next,every profile is required to buy the game now?

[HammadTheBeast]

@Dmarc

Getting there.

One new amazing "feature" listed for the Xbox 1 is its ability to allow up to 10 family members to play the game on their own accounts !

How wonderful and innovative.

[dragonyght]

@Dmarc

"Im like 99.9% sure those are people on different profiles playing the game.Whats next,every profile is required to buy the game now?"

lol you not seriously implying that every single person that play heavy rain also play in a second profile are you? cuase that would stupid.

if you are than im pretty sure you never play HR. they are no initiative to play HR on second profile even if for trophies cause you can get all the ending and trohpies in single save

[N4Flamers]

@dragonyght.

you said heavy rain sold 2 million copies but there were 4 million people playing it? Did you mean all together or at once?
Im sure you mean all together, so what youre saying is that every one that bought a copy of heavy rain (2mil) sold it and then gamestop resold it(the other 2 mil) It's more than likely (since I have my copy still) that most people were put off by the plotholes and sold their game and some bought it months later when they implemented move controls.

[Pro Racer]

@ Eamon

Hopefully you're right and enough customers make a stand against this new DRM. I am however worried about how many people will unknowingly buy a console - be it for their kids, as a gift for their friend, etc. Plenty of parents won't even bother to read up on the details of the Xbox One prior to making the purchase, contributing to MS' sales.

[dedicatedtogamers]

After May 21st reveal:

Major Nelson: "Thank you for your feedback. We are listening closely!"

June 7th policy reveal (identical to what we feared)

Major Nelson: "..."

[HammadTheBeast]

Only difference is the "We will be exploring loaning games in the future."

[Testfire]

"they have been forced into an anti consumer product by publishers"

I disagree, the publishers NEED the console makers, not the other way around. Without the successes of the Big 3, there would be no EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe MS does need the publishers more than Sony or Nintendo. With the very few franchises that MS owns and self publishes they rely on 3rd parties more than anyone else.

[Veneno]

Nintendo sure as hell don't rely on 3rd party too much.

[kreate]

The thing is.. they dont lose money.
Its a delusion.

[Cam977]

We still don't know if Bethesda want to accept MS' DRM terms! If they didn't develop for the XBONE then it'd be a huge blow!

This has absolutely blown up in MS' face, how they can recover from this is beyond me, more to the point, will this be their last console? If no, then what can we expect from it's successor? Absolutely no rights at all?

The XBONE has everything negative but a curfew! Wait, they'll probably announce that too.

[Sephiroushin]

I remember some publishers saying that if MS put DRM policy and fee on used games then they should get a part of the money, that MS should not get all of the money when a costumer get a code online to activate their used games ... So by that it means some publishers didn't know about it until MS opened up their mouth ...

Microsoft should've listen to consumers in the first place, consumers are the one buying the system not the publishers, and publishers won't stop publishing games because they would lose even more money ... Microsoft is as bad as Ubisoft, Activision and EA, in fact worst since they are the one making the console...

[Clarence]

The publishers are making millions. Especially if the game is good. The publishers want to get paid again after their game has already been purchase. Bull$h!t!

That's like me selling a painting, I get paid, then the new owners sells the painting, and now I tell them they have to pay me again because I created the painting.

[insomnium2]

Exactly! It's pure BS.

[sarshelyam]

Were they also forced into monetizing access to a service that is already monetized? Netflix anyone? Why the hell isn't this accessible to any Xbox Live member, not just paying members?

Don't victimize Microsoft, they certainly aren't innocent of this.

[Pillsbury1]

And everyone is clarified they will not be getting one.

[3-4-5]

* They are going to pass it off as it's the publishers who are the bad guys....

[Tyre]

Again playing the Victim? They are the builders and they pushed for this construct. THIS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR! Talk about not implementing this Nightmarish scenario and listening to the consumers. F this bullcrap fake vinger pointing and playing the victim. These stories are irrelevant...keep trying to confuse the gaming community instead of being straight forward and actively reversing your strategy in accordance to what the majority of customers want....not the ignorant few rich kids.

[SpartanQ8]

What about 24hours check!!! Is publishers also force them to do that!!

Always online is the worst thing that will keep me away from (Spy you need my permission box)

From X fan of Xbox

[TheSaint]

Ask Bethesda or R* if they are going out of business, great games sell buckets.

[Braid]

I consider myself a fairly intelligent person and yet I can't completely understand how the system works.

There's so much uncertainty surrounded by vague statements (both official and unofficial) that I gave up at this point. I'll be waiting for the console to lauch, read some objective "user" reviews and THEN decide if the working principle of the console suits me.

[Tsar4ever01]

Blame THIS ALL on vgaming piracy. They're the ones the most responsible for all this DRM syndrome happening, any of you have any idea how much x360 games are being pirated not only here in the US but world wide? It's no joke.

Then again I'm kinda also part of the prob too, I reap the spoils of piracy almost on a daily basis. I enjoy my MAME Arcade collection/257+ titles on my pc like an addict.

[Kingthrash360]

dark days in gaming history...
all this anti-consumerism and flat out wallet rape is not the way to sell anything.
most gamers will not put up with it and MS may lose big this generation.

[shoddy]

They wallet rape then rob you with something that should have been free

[dasbeer88]

The only saving grace MS can rely on are the oblivious grandparents and parents who will buy the Xbox One and their games for little children.

[N311V]

I dont think that could save them. Grandparents and parents buying fir their offspring is a very small portion of the market.

[pkb79]

I'm a parent and a gamer and we will not be getting a xbox one.
I will by a xbox, the first one, if I see one in a garage sale cause that was a decent console.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Never heard of this website,
Article is fanboyish and adds nothing that MS has clarified.

[Saints94]

You type that down on every thread that has something bad to say about the Xbox.

[ianblake]

+1

[Why o why]

Everything dude utters is damage control.

E3 can't come soon enough. End all this

[MysticStrummer]

Yeah. He just PMed me some false info about cloud gaming, totally ignoring the link I showed him that illustrates why it's not going to happen the way MS is implying it will.

[mxrider2199]

yo can you post that link about the xbox one cloud and how it wont work

[abzdine]

you dont need to belong to a well known website to realize that what MS is doing is leading them to they own defeat.

[Flyingdog670]

Sooooo.... I guess you are one of the people who M$ hired to make Xbox One look good!

[InTheLab]

The author tells a story about how he traded games back on the NES when he was 5. It's the same story as my childhood. How is that fanboyish?

Trading games among friends has been going on since gaming was invented and who is MS to try and ruin that long standing tradition.

I think its more fanboyish to blindly support the stripping of your right to buy/rent/sell. No good will come of it. This road only leads to more abuse.

[mananimal]

@IntheLab #3.5

"I think its more fanboyish to blindly support the stripping of your right to buy/rent/sell. No good will come of it. This road only leads to more abuse."

Couldnt have said it better, exactly. Leads to more abuse, give an inch they take ANOTHER mile. Only Solution: Stick with the Principle(s) of the matter. Its WRONG, consumers are getting screwed, its WRONG dont support Next Gen, Dont Buy the Consoles!!, screw Microsoft, boycott & REBEL , simple.

No doubt I am done with MS & most likely Sony as well, I think there offerings will ultimately be very similiar to what MS has stated up front there doing. maybe its time to get a WII U perhaps idk, its funny now that I think abt it LOL, Yes I had an Atari 2600 bck in the day, but when I got my 1st Nintendo, came with that little Gyro Robot, thats when my gaming hobby exploded in my heart & I was hooked forever.

Back to where it all began? maybe, just maybe.

[monkey nuts]

Yes, I too am from the days when games could be swapped between friends, even consoles occasionally. I had a snes, my mate a megadrive we swapped them and all our games for a month. When it was time to exchange them back for the original console both of us were sold on the quality of the games we had played for the month and both of us ended up getting new consoles that Xmas, I a mega drive and my mate got the snes. Fanboys never existed back then either, we were all just people united through our hobby, gaming. You can thank ms for bringing fanboys to the industry.
@ manimal (top.80's tv show lol) if Sony have similar DRM restrictions then ill be going with a wii u for next gen too.

[TheDarpaChief]

Can I get hired to do pr for Microsoft too? I want to buy my brother a ps3 and the last of us so we can play it together

[Drekken]

Shill alert.

[AsimLeonheart]

Gamers, get ready to get Xboned by MS.

[SonyPS4]

I won't get Xboned lawl. Sticking to my good old XB360 while I play on PS3, PS4 and Wii U.

[Nafon]

lol. wii u

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Friends don't let friends, Xbone........

[Soldierone]

All I want to tell publishers and console makers is "dont forget the gaming crash that nearly killed the industry entirely."

They are not invincible, especially when so many people are trying to say every gadget that plays some casual game will take over consoles..... Once they see sales decline, they will go through all the excuses in the book before someone finally steps out and says "sorry, you guys were right, we will stop being greedy."

[00]

they're just going to blame consumers for not having money coming out of there asses to rent games for 60$

I do hope some of these publisher do go under, if you can make more money then the used game industry and still blame it for your financial failure some one is not doing a very good job.

[Why o why]

I think majestic said it the other day.

GAMERS are killing gaming will be their next excuse

[bunnyking]

I just got a 30 day ban for posting an anti XBOX blog at Gamestop's blog.

Here is the Link: https://www.gameinformer.co...

and this:

https://www.gameinformer.co...

Fudge this mother fudging site?

This is what I got banned for and it tickles me to know how sensitive these idiots promoting the XBOXone are.

[dalibor]

Read your blogs not bad. Keep it up and eh some people are to sensitive. Welcome to N4G by the way

[headblackman]

this guy is any idiot. he's crying about issues that don't concern him. everything that could be an issue isn't an issue for him. nor is it one for me. for those have no internet, those are the ones that should have the issues with this and writing articles like this. not those with internet. not even those with spotty internet. it only has to check once every 24 he's. no ones internet is down for 24 hrs so even there spotty connections are good. stop crying over nothing. making mountains out of ant hills.

[MatriXcian]

Not quite true whenever you insert a game exspecially a new one you are required to have internet connection. Therefore lets so you go to the store to pick up a game you return home to find out your internets down your SOL until it comes back on. Your new shiny game is worthless withoit the internet. Frankly its utter bullshit.

[nypifisel]

You're actually shrugging of the fact that Microsoft want to take away every owner right you have? Okey intelligent. I wouldn't be effected directly by this neither that doesn't mean it's acceptable.

[TheEvilWithin]

Headblackman your the fu*king idiot with your stupid fu*king Spartan pic. WE GET IT you love fu*king XBOX that's GREAT your one of like 10 PEOPLE on here who are backing them and lets cut away the stupid sh*ts Damage Controlling on this site means your one of what 7 people? If anything EVERYONE is telling you to get off the sinking ship and run to safety where the GAMERS are going to be. NOONE is CRYING people are PIST there getting bent over and RAMMED in the A$$ with all this strict bullsh*t. So enjoy your XBOX 1 but when MICROSOFT not the XBOX division pulls the plug on the whole thing and your stuck with a BRICK and a couple of empty cases YOU don't come crying.

[headblackman]

say what you will but Microsoft will surprise you in the biggest and best way like they always do. so I'm not worried in the slightest. like I said in the first msg. none of these so called issues apply to me as do they not apply to damn near everyone on this internet based web site right now :-/ if you've got an internet connection please stfu because it won't effect you any damn way (spotty or not). and if you don't have an internet connection, then a gaming console should be the least of your concerns. you need to keep your financial situations in a budget prospective. I'll stick with the best brand which is Xbox. even with its misinterpreted statements. all of the risks have been calculated by the most brilliant company of the 3. so I know that the right things will be enforced. heavy note to you: if you read something with w negative mindset,everything you read will sound just like how you want it to. we hear and see what we want to. I'm going off of what I see along with Microsoft's upstanding track record for me. they have the best games, the best controller, and the best network. I'm good. I'll pass on the lamestation and stick with what I know gives me all I need in gaming and more.

[Veneno]

Geez
Headblackman has gone to the 4th level of a dream. His delusion is now his reality. Sad.

[MRMagoo123]

Im pretty sure headblackman is getting paid for this, the things he is saying are so far off base its not funny

for a start not everyone on this site has internet, for example you can go to a library and use their internet, you cant bring an xbone into the library every 24 hours. Some ppl could be using an internet cafe you cant bring the xbone into the cafe to connect every 24 hours either, some ppl may be using a phone you cant seriously think the almighty infinite cloud can stream games to an xbone via phone internet right...even if you had 4g the cost for the phone plan would be thousands a month.

Microsoft is also not the best brand, majority wise there are more ppl with a ps3

Microsoft dont ever surpise ppl in the biggest and best ways so where are you getting this from "say what you will but Microsoft will surprise you in the biggest and best way like they always do" The only surprises they have had so far is really bad drm crap they are trying to force.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ headblackman

"and if you don't have an internet connection, then a gaming console should be the least of your concerns. you need to keep your financial situations in a budget prospective"

Take this for a scenario. And it's just one possibility out of many.

1) You have a good job. You can afford an Xbox One.
2) You buy some games.
3) You lose your job.
4) You cannot afford Internet, but you want to play games you own.
5) But... you don't really own them, do you?
6) Your entertainment machine is now a brick. But oh wait, you can play Blu-ray discs. Not games though. My god.

There is no reason to have to have the Internet to play a PHYSICAL product. None, other than pure corporate greed and disregard for the consumer. It obvious you're an idiot when you can't see the implications of a company who are just trying to control the industry and your rights as a consumer. They have your nuts in a vice.

[Aceman18]

i have good internet, but i'll be damned if i let some money hungry company take my buyers/sellers rights.

microsoft has made it easy for me not to buy their new console.

[TheEvilWithin]

Clearly your just not keeping up with times bud because if you look at the feed back, The horrible bullsh*t Microsoft is pulling the articles about them paying publisher to not show there games on the PS4 all the DRM GARBAGE you know what that says??? There scared little BIT*HES and know LAMESTATION...ha ha ha GOOD ONE! Is going to DESTROY the SH*T out of the Xbox 1 and Microsoft knows it SONY knows and hey guess what... WE ALL KNOW IT. Oh best system what about the XBOX 360 red ring of death? Took them what THREE YEARS to come out with a some what better system with a better warranty. Oh and lamestation??? What were YOU playing before the Xbox even showed up??? I'm SURE it was a PLAYSTATION. So FU*K internet issues because this goes BEYOND just internet issues this is gamers rights and if you were a TRUE gamer you would understand that.

[headblackman]

lame station had the yrod so a mess up is a mess up. its corrected. lesson learned. now what? yoiu should be happy the rrod happened. without it the lamestation would've perished in a very huge way. but the system still sold like gold. Microsoft has learned all that it needed to learn and has everything that it needs to win this console in a very big way.I'm sticking with the Xbox brand and if anyone else wants a lamestation, that's on them. buy what you buy. I just know what's the best and where I can get the most for my money.

[a_bro]

So headblackman, how much is Microsoft paying you to spread shill on this site? GTFO...

[sAVAge_bEaST]

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[mxrider2199]

microsoft hasnt surprised anyone since halo 1 and halo 2.... Nothing they have done since then has been innovative besides cross game chat...

[mxrider2199]

unless your talking about their fails then ya they surprise everyone all the time with the random bs they say they will do or will happen and never does but i guess its not so surprising anymore

[headblackman]

Xbox live is always innovating. kinect was a major innovation and will be even more so this time around. kinect wasn't too good with games but it worked really well with everything else, so it still keeps its innovation title. there is no other company that has done as much good in video gaming in so little time as Microsoft. so say what you will but numbers don't lie. Microsoft may be in the bad now with the information that isn't fully understood, but e3 will fix all of that for you :-)

[mxrider2199]

kinect was an advanced ps eyetoy how that is innovation to you idk but microsoft is always one step behind on innovation hence they are just getting blue ray every innovative initial idea has come from sony eyetoy was b4 the wii just the technology they had at the time was not good enough they invented the cd and so forth the only microsoft was ever innovative with was live bc of halo 2s success and e3 showed me how dissappointed i really am with microsoft and how they are still trying to make their wallets even bigger after raping people for years

[MatriXcian]

The solution is simple, dont buy this orwellian piece of garbage. Microsoft is blaming the developers for a feature they built in the system, what a load of crap! Meanwhile Sony has admitted over and over again that the PS4 will play used games, will not require an internet connection and will not have a system wide DRM. Guess what console im buying.

4>1

[Foxgod]

But what if you got a stable internet connection, and never buy used games, is the XB|One still a bad choice then?

If so, why?

[00]

you bought a TV but the maker only allows you to watch it for a certain amount of time before you have to pay again.

unless you like the idea of a faceless corporation controlling how you use, what you do, or when you use the physical product you bought then the xbox one is for you.

I will not let any company tell me who I'm allowed to sell my stuff to, when I'm allowed to or how I'm allowed to.

they will not control what is MINE.

[Foxgod]

But thats not really true if i buy it to play games.

[mursumaki]

"you bought a TV but the maker only allows you to watch it for a certain amount of time before you have to pay again."

There are countries that have a TV license fee

[MRMagoo123]

@mursumaki

They arent tv licences they are broadcasting licences, you pay the fees to get to watch the channels made by private companies and government companies, you dont pay the licence for the actual tv.

[MatriXcian]

Still a crap system due to the fact Kinect is REQUIRED for the system to function you are REQUIRED to pay to play online. Your basically paying for all the DRM restrictions. The main reason is you never truly own your games or even the console itself if MS's servers go down or they get hacked guess what you have a nice shiny box that no longer plays any games. 20 years from now i will still be able to use my PS3 and 360 can anyone honestly say that about the Xbox One?

[Foxgod]

But cloud servers going down, or getting hacked, doesnt kill the cloud itself, i know because i am an IT cloud administrator.
And paying for online was already done on the 360, so it didnt get worse.
Also, i dont see kinect as a problem, most people i know leave their eyetoy on all the time.

And MS can disable DRM as soon as they stop supporting the console.

[Ippiki Okami]

Well I know for sure Foxgod and jokesonyou are paid ms shills. Ignore these people folks. Neogaf exposed a couple on their site. This site should do the same.

[MoonConquistador]

LOL, you think a 360 will last 20 years?

[Why o why]

Foxgod is acting like a true shill. The most dangerous type. The type that stays dormant for ages then awakens to continue the mission. Sleeper shill ;) engage with caution.

Honest question fox. . Is there anything that worries you about ms's direction or would saying so be a breech of contract. . Lol

Im giving ms until e3 to win me over. As it stands right now, I'm probably going to be a 2 console gamer next gen and the one isn't one of them.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

@ Foxgod

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[00]

generally when I BUY something it is MINE to do as I please, because I PAYED MONEY to have it, not to borrow it.

I OWN IT, NOT MICROSOFT, NOT THE DEVELOPERS NOT THE PUBLISHER, ME, IT IS MINE.

I don't see how someone can give money away to a product they don't own. '

EDIT
"You only buy a product to use it, you never own it"

I have no words to describe how stupid this sounds.

next time you buy a car you don't own it
or your shoes
or your fridge
or your CD's
or your DVDs
or your bed
or your clothes
or your books
or your picture frames
or your glasses
or your TV
or your PC
or your .......

[Foxgod]

You only buy a product to use it, you never own it, because to own it you need to own the intellectual property.

You can still resell your games on the Xb|one, and even better, you can do it online, instead of having to run to a store.

Edit
Its not stupid, its the truth, owning would mean you can exploit something, and reproduce it on your own consent.
For example, i draw a lot, and all my drawing are my intellectual property, even if someone would want to buy it, i still own it.
Ofcourse if i would want it back i would have to refund you, but fact is, i own it.

[Eamon]

Foxgod, that's bs.

The whole point of the intellectual Property laws are to allow people to profit of their own creativity and ideas without it getting stolen.

For example, you are not allowed to make copies of a game and sell it. Because you are deliberately trying to make a profit out of someone's idea.

When you buy a product however you can do whatever you want with it legally. That includes selling off the product to someone else. As long as you're not copying the IP contained in the product to make money off it.

So yeah, quit being a fanboy sheep and have some pride in consumer rights.

[nypifisel]

@Foxgod
Who the hell writes it Xb|one. You working for MS or something?

And you're fundamentally wrong, I own the disc, I can by law do what ever I want with it. Try to sway this in the European Union court if you like - they'll rip you a part. What honestly is the pull here? Why was the DRM necessary? What was the point of it?

[MoonConquistador]

@Fox, please stop, my sides are killing me lol. After the "360 lasting 20 years" comment.

I was just wiping the tears away from reading that when I read how I don't actually own anything because I wasn't involved in inventing or patenting it or being involved in the development process.

Can you actually smell the s*** you are shovelling

[bsquwhere]

@Foxgod so if you buy a car and the maker, be it Toyota or Ford, you would find it acceptable for them to come take it from you (assuming its not a repo man) that would be OK with you because they own the rights to the name and design.Use some common sense.

[Mr-Dude]

@Foxgod
You only buy a product to use it, you never own it, because to own it you need to own the intellectual property.

So, if I buy a Mcchicken and a Coke (both IP), consume it wait a couple of hours, go to the toilet and take a dump.. By your standards, is that beautiful turd and pee not mine anymore?

[T2]

Why would you buy an inferior product anyway ? Its a spybox that has worse specs ... Unless you are in love with halo , forza, I just say who cares..

Edit - @ foxgod - your scenario makes no sense ... If I bought your drawing I could resell it whenever the hell I want

[MoonConquistador]

@Fox, yes it is still a bad choice, for the principle of removing your consumer rights. It may not affect you with this, but what will they go after next.

It will affect any friends or family who MIGHT want the OPTION to do so. Why is everyone so wrapped up in how it ONLY affects them, usually the same ones who so blindly defend this crap because they cant see MS slipping the finger in. Well believe me, with MS, the finger is just to ease you in for something much bigger

[Eldyraen]

From those that want to either hate on it just because, try to take the high road for those that aren't in our shoes, or are in fact those affected by the changes--then yes its still a 'bad choice'. What we can accept doesn't really make it a 'good choice' just an acceptable one.

I can see their point as there is no denying that consoles of the past and even today are still 'better' (or more accessible/consumer friendly at least) than what the One sounds to be. If the PS4 does the same (which personally I think at least will be an option for publishers although Sony likely will 'opt out') and the One and on-line required games do at least reasonably well the features will become commonplace for the future. Its why so many people are talking about boycotting (which I don't think all will go through with--but could be enough to make an impact).

To them I say: go for it. In the end it may solve similar issues for the next generation or even force MS (and maybe others) to make changes to their policies now (probably more for third party games than a complete system change).

However as you mentioned, I'm not really affected by the changes so I am still willing to buy the console as long as they can bring me games I can enjoy. I just 'have to wait and see' as they say.

[MysticStrummer]

"But what if you got a stable internet connection, and never buy used games, is the XB|One still a bad choice then?

If so, why?"

That depends on several things.

Do you have the right TV? SDTVs won't work.

Do you have the right cable box? Even if you do, you won't be able to do more than watch what's on live TV, at least not at first.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/...

Do you want the best game performance you can get from a console? One's GPU is weaker than PS4's, and One will have 5GB of DDR3 RAM available vs PS4's 7GB of GDDR5 RAM after the OS is taken into account.

If you're counting on cloud computing, how fast is your internet connection and exactly what do you expect cloud computing to do for you?

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[amiga-man]

I only buy games new and my internet is decent, but why the hell would I hand over my rights to a company especially one as greedy M$.

M$ are the last people I would trust and the fact their greed makes them push these stupid restrictions on gamers proves it, I thought paying for online was bad enough and would take no part but the crap they are peddling now really is unbelievable.

No sane person would defend this those that do are either fanboys or are paid by M$, I wonder which one you are fox?

[Rhythmattic]

@fox

If they still charge you to play the online MP portion of a game.. That is and will always be my beef.

So its a bad choice in my books if this is still the case with XBox One.

[Hicken]

You've lost it.

I dare any company I've bought something from to come to my house and try to tell me what to do with it.

GM can't tell me what to do with my car, even though they own the rights to everything relating to it.

Reebok can't tell me what to do with my shoes.

The Atlanta Falcons can't tell me what to do with my hat.

Crest can't tell me what to do with my toothpaste.

Adele can't tell me what to do with my CD.

I can destroy, use, or resell any of this stuff as I see fit BECAUSE IT'S MINE. And I'll be damned if I let Microsoft tell me what I can do with my console/games.

The XBOne is a bad choice, whether your internet is stable or not, if all you buy is used games. Slavery wasn't bad for white people, so it should have just stuck around, right? You've got plenty to eat, so who cares about folks starving, right? Nevermind the people negatively affected. It doesn't hurt you, so screw it.

As a human being, you fail.

[jessupj]

I honestly can't comprehend how anyone could defend the xbone.

Whether it affects you or not, the restrictions are still very extreme and any self respecting gamer would not be supporting this.

[HexxedAvenger]

Microsoft does good with the 360 and gets a big head with this Xbox....I don't like the name...

[bunnyking]

I got banned at the GIO site for posting anti XBOX sentiments.

I told them to go FUDGE THEMSELVES...

Apparently fudge talk is all it takes to get censored and banned.

[Foxgod]

Maybe you need to learn the difference between critique and being offensive.

[ACEMANWISE]

In this industry the difference doesn't matter.

[theWB27]

They've already announced they may have codes for people without internet connection and are still looking into how often we need to check in for verification. Obviously the system doesn't HAVE to be connected to work...so I don't really understand why they don't just do away with it. I'm getting one regardless...my favorite franchises reside on the Xbox..

[SniperControl]

When?
That has never been stated.

[theWB27]

My bad. .. not announced but rumored. Ign has it in an article

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Your favourite franchises reside on xbox....lol

[theWB27]

I guess if you find that funny -__-...Forza is my fav racing, Halo my fav shooter, not really looking for your approval either. I do fine without it : )

[muffinbutton]

I dont trust Microsoft. I've always had that feeling that they we're in the gaming industry just for a piece of the pie.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I just read their new policy and all i can say is wow! MS has managed to take all the momentum they built with the 360 and bring it all the way down to sega saturn levels. well...ill always love my 360 but now i think its time to move on from this abusive relationship between MS and I. If i a woman stays in a relationship with a man who beats her then she deserves what she gets...i will not be that woman who gets beat.Good bye MS hello Sony!

[MoonConquistador]

But will you keep paying you X-Box Live fees for your 360?

Its because of things like paying for Live that MS think they can do this XBone crap too, they are pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to consumers.

So if the answer to the question was yes, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Oh, and your principles are wafer thin

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

How I spend my money is not your concern, if The X1 was simply an upgraded 360 then I sure as hell would jump in and pay for live like I have the last 7 year's. I can afford xbl and still be ok financially. I find cbl worth the 40 a year I pay. My beef is with the new policies in place which I will not support. So how I'm "part. of the problem" is unclear to Mr, but fanboys like your are bad for gaming so to you sir may I suggest checkers?

[Goldenarmz]

How come Car companies dont blame Used Car Dealer ships? Or why aren't every company under the sun blaming Ebay?? At the end of the day, these companies are just being greedy. And im sorry, but not being able to play a game that I BOUGHT if my system isnt connected to the internet is just plain ridiculous. That makes no sense what so ever. Regardless if i have internet or not. LG doesnt tell me i need a cable subscription to watch tv. I just go get an antenna and call it a day. Why are they making it where i cant even PLAY the game i just bought. And they probably arent even going to lower the cost of games.

[MWH]

the majority are against it very few are with it so if this product is sold then it will be a solid proof how full of shit the gamers community is.

if you want Microsoft to back off then boycott this product.

this is the mark that may shape the future of gaming forever. no more talk, act. don't buy this product.

[MoonConquistador]

Not everyone who's targeted by MS or Sony comes on N4G though. I've not seen any articles in newspapers or on TV news regarding how anti consumer this device is turning out to be.

[Veneno]

If Xbox One and PS4 release simultaneously or close enough to it, then consumers will have a choice to choose a console with strict DRM or one with none. This will make the chances of Xbone failing better.

[ApocalypseShadow]

no matter how you slice it,it is still DRM...

All these money scams to gouge gamer's wallets started with Microsoft..$100 WiFi adapters,DLC- Microsoft probably told third party companies they can make more money with additional content on 360 than putting it all on one Bluray disc for ps3,paying for online gaming,paying for overpriced HDDs,etc

They started it all...

(D)irty (R)otten (M)icrosoft...

[jessupj]

Exactly.

I've always said MS is a cancer on my beloved hobby.

Just look at their focus on kinect and virtual complete lack of tending to the hardcore when they released it.

Unfortunately, I still see plently of uninformed people buying this console. I really hope sony doesn't go the same route.

[ZBlacktt]

Same repetitive stories...,

[RavageX]

I posted this on a different article, but I think it applies here more:

You know what pisses me off about this? Some publishers and developers complain about how used games rob them of money and all that which I assume is supposed to make us feel bad, but then they turn around and release games that are complete rubbish and expect full price or near full price for them.

Latest example is Fast and Furious: Showdown. When that came out the price was $40 if I am not mistaken, maybe more. If you haven't seen anything about the game, do yourself a favor and look it up on youtube.

The game is beyond awful. $40 for a game that looks terrible, plays badly, and is over in just a couple of hours. Not even worth renting.

Now we also have digital games, one of the biggest excuses for games being $60 or more was that making the cds/dvds/blu-rays are expensive, blah blah blah. Well why is the game STILL $60 when it is digital? No manual, no box art, no case, no disk...yet I am still paying the same price.

More BS, but people still eat it up like they are getting a deal.

I believe and hope that if gamers got together and made it very clear that we aren't going to lay down for this the issue would be dropped and left alone, cause the only choice left would be to watch their product,service, whatever FAIL.

That goes for any company, MS, Sony, Nintendo, EA, etc.

[SniperControl]

Here in the UK, PSN games are sometimes up to £10 more expensive than a retail store copy. I have also found this to be true on the XBL.

[RavageX]

You guys and a good majority of the world outside the US tend to get shafted when it comes to gaming. Prices are rarely fair.

[papashango]

Notice with torrents bad games on PC never seem to be successful but good games still sell millions.

M$ has already confirmed they are taking away your ability to play crap games before you buy. Making you rely on sites like IGN for reviews. Thereby expanding the role review sites play x100. Pretty bad considering the games they review have a big fat advertisement on their page paid for by the publishers that also send them early access copies.

Sony's never gone in depth about how their used policy will work. Iirc the CEO said "It SHOULD be the same". Imo the quiet game they're playing should be terrifying to gamers.

All in all...I'm not too excited about next-gen

[blackthorn5]

I read an article from a guy who summed it up well.

writen by Revolver= Jason Schreler

I'm just going to keep posting this every time DRM and consoles come up:

Are movies/music/videogames a good or a service? Because that is the question at the heart of all of this.

Videogames, movies and music were originally services. You went to an arcade to play videogames, you went to a theater to see a movie, you went to a concert/show/etc to hear music. You paid money, enjoyed the entertainment, then left. If you wanted to enjoy the entertainment again, you paid again. We turned these things into goods due to technology and we are now turning them back into a service due to technology. So what are they? A car is a good. It is a tangible, physical thing. A bookcase is a good, it's a tangible, physical thing. A movie on a DVD is a bunch of 1's and 0's that is put on a tangible, physical thing. A game is a bunch of 1's and 0's that is, right now, put on a tangible, physical thing but what happens when companies stop putting these 1's and 0's on physical things (that is where entertainment is heading). What is it then?

If I download an app on my iPhone, it's only useful on that iPhone that is linked to my iTunes account. I don't actually "own" it in the physical sense do I?

MS is jumping out in front of what is the future of entertainment. The writing has been on the wall since Napster, the tech has just finally caught up. Hardcore console gamers are all up in arms because they are use to games being a good not a service and they don't want that to change (I don't blame them). PC gamers (like me) accepted it long ago, smartphone users accepted it because that's the way apps were from day 1 but this is the first time a console maker is doing it. For some reason, console gamers think that Sony won't follow suit. It's naive thinking. 5/30/13

It's the future people.

[ThatsGaming]

Actually MS is not only jumping out in front but they are also helping consumers as much as possible...

- Buy digitally every game on release date
- No matter what X1 I use I can play my games
- Family purchasing vs. individual
- Publishers choose the used model (same as Sony)

The only thing that can be taken as bad is that you have to be connected to the Internet at least once every 24 hours...

After seeing Bungie and Ubisoft's announcements on "always on" games... Destiny and Assassins Creed... People better wrap their heads around it... The world has changed. For Sony's console to be useful it will probably need to be online. They say games can be done old school offline, but practically, how many games will be able to function next gen offline?

[SpinalRemains]

Not for some reason.

We think that due to the fact that they've clearly stated it.

On PS4, you can put your disc in and play it offline. Then, you may sell it if you wish. You may rent them too.

3rd party publishers will no doubt enable their multiplayer or online DRM, but the console itself was not designed around this idea.

[SniperControl]

And you think a 500gb HD is gonna cut it? A standard Blu-ray disc holds a minimum of 25gb of data, MS wants us to install a full game on the HD, how long do you think before it fills up. I believe (I could be mistaken) MS has stated that the internal HD was not interchangeable, and no way in hell would they let you install a game on a external HD. I stand 100% behind you about a fully digital future, but surely you need to have a good infrastructure in place to support it.

[SpinalRemains]

They do.

That's the second part of the devious plan, you see.

The HDD was made intentionally insufficient and non removable in order to force every gamer to buy a gold account so they can use the cloud for game storage.

The rabbit hole doesn't go very deep, but it is indeed filled with diarrhea.

[MatriXcian]

Im sorry but I fully disagree with your bend over and take it up the rectum statement. "Its the future people" No its not the future not unless WE allow it. Just because big corporations want more money doesnt mean they can decide alone what the future holds. Do you realize what the next obvious step after fully digital entertainment? Usage limits, viewer limits, Pay to play for everything. After all why not not only will they still own it but theyll have COMPLETE control of it.

[WolfOfDarkness]

Huummmm , Sony Vice President on his twitter account. said " a big secret will be reviled at E3 " Something about PS4 specs , what's Sony up to ?

[ThatsGaming]

They will announce the use of the power button... When the system is off, the power button will turn the system on... When the system is on, the power button will turn it off.

Sony fans will applaud this as an innovation in gaming, other gamers will scratch their heads, Sony will turn this into the biggest PR coup in the history of gaming!

[mrmancs]

Greed over sense... Welcome to the world... Sony must be from a different planet! Lol

[sashimi]

What planet are you from where the only way to make money is to f3@#$@#k over the consumers?

[Blakhaze999]

Sony got the upper hand right now. Im hoping its not the same BS!! A lot of people have their fingers crossed including me. But what are the chances that one console will have such polices and not the other? just curious...and nervous actually

Arghhh Why does it seem like e3 is taking so long to get here. Dammit!!! Sony dont let us down!!!

[WolfOfDarkness]

Microsoft: Clearly kissing ass to government agencies. Restrictions, fees, always on/online, always listening. Someone find George Orwell please!
At this point, Sony will have to crash and burn at E3 to get me to buy an Xbox. It's funny how MS has this one box for everything... Except for gamers.
1. Hassle free game experience? No
2. Play old games? No
3. Play offline easily? No
4. Play used games hassle free? No
5. Enjoyable all around gaming experience? NOOOOOOO
Microsoft has done Sony's job.

[Confickercrash]

Wow, there must be more articles here on what the Xbone CAN'T do then what it can do. XD

[dethpuck]

Chill wolf go buy a ps4 then. Xbox will be just fine without u. I will continue to enjoy Xbox. My friends are all on Xbox and they all have the internet. they don't care about Sony no matter how good I tell them uncharted is. I'm getting both consoles. Whatever plays the games I want will win. Microsoft seems to be very coveient and forward thinking

[kingPoS]

Awe man... your comment history tells it all. But that's ok, people have been known to have differing opinions.

I do applaud you for supporting both though. The gaming industry definitely needs healthy competition as well as rivals to thrive. After all... It's what made the 16bit era so awesome.

[KiwiCeeDee]

For me this isnt a case of tipping the balance between one console or another - its about not getting any of them. I really enjoy console gaming (convenience/comfort in front of TV etc) but when you look at the numbers over the life of a generation, its hard to go past the PC for overall value. While PC clearly has its own DRM issues (at times), I dont think many people will try and argue PC gaming isnt better value overall. I dont mind not being able to sell a PC game when I generally pay 1/3 or less of the console price (upcoming Steam Summer Sale is a case in point). Console gaming is expensive and many gamers can only afford do do it by recycling their games. While it might cost a bit more to build a gaming rig when you factor in online subs, game prices etc. etc. its a no brainer.

Couple all this with no backwards compatibility for your favorite games, the inevitable 'red/yellow ring of death' equivalent or some other serial fault and its game set and match. I went through 2-3 of each of the 360 and PS3 consoles in the last generation.

Sony may not go as far as MS with DRM but I cant see it being too far off for reasons many have pointed out. And no I am certainly not a PC fanboy, just do the numbers.

[GamersHeaven]

Why didn't Microsoft just go all digital? You have to install all your games anyways doesn't make any sense to me.

[2 cents]

Can someone please explain it to me in a bit more detail? I`ve reached an aged when i`m struggling to keep up with the game industry. If i own 2 xbox consoles (one at home and one at work) does it mean that if i buy a game i won`t be able to play it on my second console? Or, just as long as i am logged in with my gamer tag, i can use the game with any console?
Also, regarding always on, does it mean paying the subscription is mandatory? I very rarely play online and Live is no use to me, but i always have my xbox connected to the internet for any updates.
Thanks for helping.

[Skynetone]

if you buy a game and install it on your home console you can play it on your work console for one hour

if you buy a game and install it on your work console you can play it on your home console for one hour

[ACEMANWISE]

I think they are trying to make subscriptions mandatory for everyone.

[oscarcat59]

I agree with you but the big question is would we get a good value for it or just a thinner wallet

[ACEMANWISE]

A thinner wallet for sure. The more proprietary a product or service becomes the more expensive. Examples would include Vita memory cards and 360 harddrives. Imagine the prices if only Sony and Microsoft had the games. There would be no new game retailers except them...thus driving up demand. Then think about having no used games to push new game prices down.

[swishersweets20031]

Vote with your wallet. Tell the company to F' off.

So where are all the "just wait for E3 people"?

[GeisT]

I don't borrow or buy used games anyways. I refuse to believe even 1% of these ps4 fanboys play games with no internet connection. Who doesn't have 2mbs+ internet service these days?

[DevilishSix]

Correct me if I am wrong but there has been 3 decades of console gaming so far and always been a used game secondary market. In that time the industry has expanded beyound belief to where it is now 10's of billions of dollars yearly and is as big as music and film industries, so yeah used games is the bane of gaming, it has really drug it down (sarcasm).

This is plain and simple sticking to you the consumer cause they want control. It is the atmosphere going around right now. Governments growing out of control. Big companies growing out of control. Us little people are screwed. Everything is becoming anti-consumer and anti-citizenery. Society is in bad shape right now. End rant.

[vizsual]

I really don't see what the problem is. "Oh no the XB1 doesn't do this, or does that" solution, don't by one. "Microsoft has already lost the next generation" Really? Regardless of what the majority wants to believe, I'm sure the XB1 will sell quite well. "Sony cares more about the core gamers" Well that seems to be the case at the moment. Thing is from a business standpoint there are more casual gamers than core gamers. So if I wanted to make money I would appeal to the larger market while making sure markets felt included. Is this what gamers want to hear, not one bit, but it is the way of the world. Hate Microsoft all you want, there is good reason for those who don't see the bigger picture. But don't be silly to think Sony will not follow M$ bread crumb trail.

[SonyPS4]

It will sell in droves. We are just a vocal minority. We gamers that go on internet web forums bash the XOne quite a bit, but our opinions don't matter to the general gaming community. If MS doesn't collect our money, but millions of dollars from every other person buying the One, they won't miss our money because we are just a small percentage.

[SpinalRemains]

You're correct in that the casual market is al powerful.

That said, no casual is going to spend 450 bucks minimum on a tv machine.

Casuals love Android and Wii and Fruit Samurai because they're cheap and available and simple.

Xbox One is none of those things. Its going to be an expensive, restrictive, all in one, but not really machine.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

LOL oh man MS.

All gamers ever wanted from MS was for the next Xbox to have more games and now your giving us a shit load of reasons to hate the console even more.

I was really looking forward to the new Forza 5 but fuck that shit if the system sucks. I'll stick with getting a PS4 and playing Wii U and PC.

[Orionsangel]

You just don't buy the Xbox One. It's as simple as that and if Sony does this as well, F the consoles! I'll stick with my PC Rig and Steam.

[GeisT]

You realize Steam is pretty much the exact same thing as XB1? You don't own the games you pay for, you just license them. Some you can play in offline mode, but most games require an internet connection. There is almost no difference.

[Mastarace]

False. On Steam you can play if offline mode forever. x1 is 24 hour drm. on steam you have the trust that games will be there as long as pc gaming is alive.

[BLAKHOODe]

So, why even bother buying a physical copy of a game if you can't do anything with it other than install the game on your console? I might as well save my self a trip to the store and just download the game.

I can't see stores like Walmart, Target and GameStop liking that their opportunity to make money off selling games is being pulled out from under them like that.

[dudeOplenty]

Too many misuses of this word and it's driving me crazy.

Loosing is when you let something loose (opposite of tight). Losing is when you lose at something.. like at games or your dignity from misusing this word your whole life.

That is all.

[jakmckratos]

AAs if people needed ANOTHER reason to go to the PS4 next gen...MS just doesnt know how to run a console. Once they get past the "LETZ JUST PUT OUT SOME MORE HALO AND GEARS" stage I think the are truly lost on how to attract consumers..it's not by putting restrictions on them

[urwifeminder]

Ready to put down some dollars ms show me where to sign up.

[brianunfried]

No retro Xbox One gaming in twenty years, when the servers shut down so do the games.

[DivineAssault]

Nobody actually thought this whole DRM thing was fake did they? The previously leaked info on xbox one & PS4 was real.. The only thing that was different was PS4 having only 4GB of GDDR5 ram.. Sony even surprised devs by adding an extra 4GB... Other than that, everything was spot on, including the used game policy.. Now, Sony patented that tech where they can lock the rights on the discs so we will see how that all plays out but they said that 1st party will not use DRM & its up to the publishers whether or not they want to use do it (they probably will).. I was already expecting this & its just something that has to be dealt with if you buy either of the 2 nx gen machines.. Now lets all move along with this whole DRM thing & hope that these companies give us a decent price hardware & software..

[Grimhammer00]

With all the rightful hate xbone is deservedly getting....I can't fathom how they are going to sell this abomination!

Even with huge ad campaign the core gamers will inform and post and plot to end this.

Ninny...Sony (even with its different DRM that is surely coming)...they can create ads to inform as well.

So, I started thinking....how is this thing going to gain traction? Simple.....super cheap! What if its $129+$15/month for LIVE for 3yrs? Say that $129 is $99? What then? I fear this the most....that MS is willing to do all this crazy garbage for pubs & themselves because they know no one could turn down a condole that cheap! Also, ads on their system with LIVE and this new TV crap.....they have means to subsidize the xbone to must have cheapness!

I'll stay the course and not touch this but will you?

[oscarcat59]

The only problem I might have is having to connect every 24 hours other than that I do not care. I play the game then usually give it away when I am done. Besides as long as those who make the game get the largest cut and are able to make hopefully more and better games drm is alright with me.

[Knightofelemia]

Well my debate for the XboxOne has been decided I am not buying one now after this. This does mean that every game for the next gen consoles has to be a great game and get great reviews the game can`t be slapped together like a pile of shit and called a game. This is ruining gaming period. People do game on a budget well used games are out now. Most video stores don`t rent games as much any more. So now I can`t waste $10 to see if a game is an overhyped flop. Instead I have to decide what title my $60 goes on or wait for that title to come down in price around $20. If Sony pulls this trick as well I guess no PS4. I was all for purchasing a product key through the PSN for $10. But dictating to me what I can and can`t do with the game is being a Nazi. I own the game you made the money when I bought the game off the shelf. You made the money when I bought the DLC. What else do these developers want from my wallet. It should be my right to sell the game if I choose I own the friggin thing. If the game ran its course and I sell it to a kid and the game puts a smile on his face I`m happy. That game sees action again a kid smiles I make some cash to go towards a new game. I have to think really hard because I might hang up my controller and stick with last gen consoles when gaming was actually fun and original and skip the next gen with the lack of orginality and fun and over milked franchises. My last glimmer of next gen machines is what is Sony going to do. I know Microsoft just gave gaming a kick in the balls with this announcement all there is left is Sony and Nintendo.

[Garbanjo001]

I really wonder how many people are switching from XB to PS this go round. I know I am, most of the comments on here are practically hate mail for MS, I can't believe that this is the "next generation of gaming...." ie: shackles and a dark cell to call "funland."

[VTKC]

Hahahahaha! That's it Microsoft! You have finally dug your grave and its so deep I can see my house from here! Come on Sony! Do the honour in burying this scamming idiot once and for all by not folloeing these practices.
you may have got my money from 360 but not this time Microsoft.

[GeisT]

Why are there a lot of people are complaining about the once every 24 hour handshake? I can't think of a single time where my internet has ever been down for that long. Lets be honest, if you can't afford an internet connection then why are you even giving input on hardware that is going to cost more than $300?

I am personally pumped for the fact that I can get day 1 downloadable games. No more waiting in lines to get a stupid piece of plastic and then running home to install it. Xbox One seems very similar to Steam and iTunes when it comes to licensing digital products instead of owning them. I use steam all the time and I actually prefer not having a hard copy of a game, it drives down the prices of the games and saves me space in my entertainment area.

Also skype is mankind's greatest creation. All you PC gamers out there know what I'm talking about.

[unicronic]

It is a mistaken belief that by blocking 3 trade-ins that previously financed a fourth game that the new game revenue will come to the publisher. The reality is that a large amount of people simply won't be able to get that fourth game.

As for all the people saying they're not buying XB1, I'll be very surprised if the out of the gate sales are less than respectable.

[j9]

ps4

[Saleem101]

My xbox live account has officially been cancel with customer support, they ask me why lol I said new xbox and responds was drm situation lol must be people canceling there subscriptions...

[ion666]

Its a halo and gears box. the creators left halo and cliff bounced on gears. what game are they gonna milk now?.

[stumpa]

microsoft have really messed this up unless things change i will not be buying xbox one i will go for ps4 which will be the first time i have gone for a sole console if they mess up the ps4 the same way i wont buy either and go for a gaming pc. Game publishers keep whining on about used game sales but at some point that game was new and they had the revenue from it do other companies get money from used sales i.e does audi get a kick back when someone buys a used car etc no they don't. Once you buy a product from a company no matter what it is, it is yours to do what you like with. this is greed pure and simple and hopefully it will backfire on them you should'nt bite the hand that feeds lets face it video games are already expensive enough.

[The_KELRaTH]

I feel the biggest setback is yet to come as the always online gaming is going to be really boring with 1 gamserver and the entire X1 owners of 12 players on it - of course this assumes all 12 owners actually want to play the same game at the same time!! - well I suppose at least they can watch TV while waiting :)

[REDAVUTSTUVADER]

theres plenty to play xbox one with

I noticed in the uk there isn't a big problem with the xbox one, since the reveal in just 24 hours from may 21rst xbox one surpassed all ps4 pre orders accumilated for over two months. it is breaking all pre-order records, even on amazon uk.

here are the story headlines

Xbox One breaks pre-order records at Blockbuster _ Games industry news _ MCV
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

UK Xbox One pre-orders ahead of PS4, although PS4 enjoys post Xbox spike
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

Xbox One pre-orders 'extremely high' as retailers back console - Gaming News - Digital Spy
http://www.digitalspy.com/g...

Xbox One hits Amazon as console breaks pre-order records _ CNET UK
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gam...

does this mean that internet gaming journalism and fanboyism does not reflect the results of Microsoft's reveal strategy. It appears their plan worked. They plan to snatch up the hardcore at E3 when they drop their gaming strategy

[The_KELRaTH]

I think it's all MS smoke and mirrors. Blockbuster guy probably just said it as a joke and next it's in print :)

I suspect quite a few expected the X1 to be driven against the Ps4 on price but it's turned out to be more expensive instead - right now it's hard to see any advantages it has over the PS4 or PC options.

[Sadist3]

Who the hell isn't online? My Xbox is online every time I turn it on

[Mastarace]

Microsoft apologist are the worst human beings i have seen in my entire life. Can't believe they support this cancer called xbox one.

[HowarthsNJ]

I was talking to a guy at Gamestop today and he said MS already had a deal in place with them.

They will be issued "de-licensing machines" that will set all used games they sell back to "zero".

No clue how that will work unless it transmits a number to be "zeroed" in their system.