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Hardcore Console Gamers Don’t Want Much, Just the Impossible

Microsoft announced the Xbox One this week, and the reaction from hardcore gamers is that the sun is about to fall from the sky.

“Oh my God, where are the games? Can you believe they spent so much time talking about television? Who cares about sports? Shut up about Game of Thrones! Aren’t there any games besides Madden and Call of Duty? Microsoft is dead to me!”

MysticStrummer3986d ago

It's impossible to talk about games at the reveal of a gaming console, apparently.

I've noticed that Wired's coverage of this has been very slanted in favor of MS.

Count3986d ago

It's not like Sony showed much games in theirs. Apart from Infamous and Killzone? What was there?

Count3986d ago

Disagree all you like. Where are the answers?

TheOneWhoIsTornApart3986d ago

Killzone, Infamous,Knack,Deep Down, Destiny, Drive Club, The Witness, and Watch Dogs. You were saying? Sony made all about the GAMES before anything dude.

wantonGamer3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

Destiny, Driveclub, Knack, Deep Down, Watch Dogs, The Witness, Diablo 3.

There where actual developers coming on stage talking about games and game tech. All the social talk had to do with gaming. In a 2 hour presentation they showed exactly one slide for a few seconds about the TV stuff Microsoft apparently needed an entire conference for.

And you know what, it got the point across just as clear without bashing your skull in with it.

The rest was pure games. You're talking like the PS3 conference should've been a two hour montage of game trailers. It all had to do with gaming.

Count3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

You mean all those multiplatform games that WILL be on the nextbox?

I'm not talking about the clutter. I'm talking about the REAL Ps4 games.

It was just Killzone and Infamous. That was what was substance. The rest was either multiplatform or trash.

So stop kidding yourselves with this lack of games shit. Cause Sony haven't even shown much from the start.

EDIT:

Drive Club - trash
Knack! - trash
inFamous - already said it was substance
Killzone - already said it was substance
Diablo 3 - multiplat

I'm sorry, you were saying? Did you even read my comment?

''and a few more''

that you don't even know

Wow. You sure showed me.

Cam9773986d ago

Er... yes they did.
They showed:

Drive Club
Knack!
inFamous:Second Sun
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Diablo:3

And a few more.

MysticStrummer3986d ago

Sony showed a lot more games than MS did.

Are you joking with that comment, Count?

wantonGamer3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

Zip it Count. I don't care that some of those games are multiplatform titles. The point is Sony presented games at an unveiling of a GAMEconsole.

Something Microsoft pretty much failed to do.

Blastoise3986d ago

@Count

So you ask for games and when someone replies you say they're trash?

What looked "trash" about DriveClub and Knack?

Blank3986d ago

To see the answers you would have to watch the ps4 reveal video which I doubt you did they showed more games in their revealed compared to the xbox one reveal with GAMEPLAY. But on topic yeah wired has been pretty proxbox one whatever though they are more tech oriented site than a reliable gaming source.

HeavenlySnipes3986d ago

The whole conference was about how the PS4 can improve the gamers experience playing games. From the sharing feature to help the video commentating community, to the being able to watch other players live in game, to the new controller features to the social aspects and the enhanced trophy system. EVERYTHING was about gaming

They had developers speak on how the hardware can improve gaming and how their input shaped it. From Epic to Naughty Dog

Then they showed Driveclub, Killzone SF, InFamous, Knack, Diablo (maybe more to come), a promise from Square Enix to release something special (E3 maybe?), exclusive content for Destiny and Watch_Dogs.

MS spent 30 min discussing how the Xbox works with TV and cable boxes, announce a TV series for Halo, a partnership with NFL, features on how the XBox One can improve the TV watching experience with the trending and favorites tab and then to satisfy us gamers they show a 30 sec live action trailer and COD.....

If you don't see the difference I don't know what to say....

Boody-Bandit3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

Bottom line Count.
Sony showed "Actual" game play footage and focused "primarily on gaming". MS showed only trailers and cutscenes and focused "primarily on tv, sports and social networking".

You can spin, defend and damage control all you want. Hardware analyst have made it clear MS sacrificed power on their console to make it a more efficient multimedia hub instead of a gaming console 1st and everything else as an after thought.

I am a 360 and Xbox gamer, but unlike you, I am keeping it real. IMHO MS can go kick rocks. I am not into DRM, social networking, tv viewing or talking to a device while flailing my arms about with a gaming console. I sure as hell am not into parting with even more cash just to share games or if I chose to rent instead of purchasing them.

I want the games I purchase to be mine and to with what how I please. That includes loaning them out to family and friends.

If I want to do anything but gaming? I have tablets, smart phones, smart TV's and broadcast receivers for that.

Microsoft more so than any other manufacturer, publisher or developer has taken milking and diming to a whole other level. Now they are taken it to an extreme that most should stand arm in arm with and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" This greed has to stop. At some point in time the product has to equal the value.

Just look at Activison with their COD series. They are using an ancient engine from last gen that they carried into this generation (PS3/360/PC) and they are taken the same tired old engine into the next generation. When are gamers going to demand value for their coin instead of falling in line and asking for another boot up the @zz?

maxgamehard3986d ago

Don't worry bro you just butthurt because you got a water cooler for a games console.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

On top of that you butthurt cause you got a "cablebox for your cablebox" for a games console.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Why o why3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

One was for gamers

The other was for consumers

You're wrong n strong attitude just wreaks ignorance. Please, Just open your eyes. Can you not see the difference between opening your gaming console conference with tv tv with a sprinkle of pre rendered footage vs gaming gaming with gaming related services?.... you are being laughed at.

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BigFnHooters3986d ago

"I've noticed that Wired's coverage of this has been very slanted in favor of MS."

CHRIS KOHLER

Hardcore Sony hater.

Remember him from the 2006/7 days constantly trashing Sony all over the net. Must really suck to be him.

Maddens Raiders3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

I remember it vividly. I got in a huge battle w/ him in the comments section after he tried to sh*t on/troll the KZ2 full reveal. Dude's a full on Sony hater working at Wired.

Also they used the word "might" too generously in the closing argument of the article. At the end of the day this is just supposition on their part, but moreover Wired is just running cover for their corporate brother Microsoft. Don't be fooled by the polish and fancy charts folks. It's all an illusion.

negative3986d ago

hahahahahaha anyone who likes MS and the Xbox One is now a Sony hater!!!!

hahahahaha

CalvinKlein3986d ago

I dont even care about the games as I know they will be coming and most games I care about are multiplats.

What I learned is that it needs to connect to the Internet at least once a day, comes with a kinnect that is mandatory, probably cost alot to use a used game, is LESS POWERFULL THAN A PS4.

The last one is big for me to determine what I will get first. I mostly play multiplats and will get the stronger console first. Infamous is also one of my favorite exclusives now and I already have a vita as well.

Im actually impressed with the number of exclusives they said the new xbox will have in its first year but I know some will use the mandatory kinnect and there is no guarantee they will continue to support these new franchises/games as exclusives if they dont sell tons. Not to mention I wouldnt be surprised if they slow down on getting exclusives down the line as they rely on 3rd parties alot for exclusives.

Like them or not sony will continue to have alot of exclusives from the studios they own and will get all the multiplats too. I think ps4 will sell the most easily and will be guaranteed the most support because of that too.

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panbit863986d ago

Jack of all trades master of none.

MasterCornholio3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

Gamers wanted games at Sonys unveiling and they got them.

Gamers wanted games at Microsofts unveiling and now they say thats impossible?

@Count

Sony showed a lot more than that.

1. Knack
2. Infamous
3. Killzone Shadow Fall
4. Deep Down
5. Drive Club
6. The Witness
7. Square Enixs announcement of a PS4 title (wasnt shown at the conference but was confirmed for E3)
8. WatchDogs
9. Diablo 3
10. Destiny

Thats way more than Microsofts at least.

Edit: Yeah XBOX fans and if you dont believe me you can watch Sonys conference again.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sony pushed the boundaries of play while Microsoft pushed the boundaries of digital television.

@Count

"It was just Killzone and Infamous. That was what was substance. The rest was either multiplatform or trash. "

Whats the matter did the XBONER conference cause you to go cry in a corner?

Games are games no matter if they are exclusives or multiplatform titles. And if theres one thing that Sony did that Microsoft didnt is show a ton of games. Because true gamers dont buy consoles to watch movies or chat with their friends on skype, they buy them to play games.

Greatness awaits. Monday June 10th @ 6PM PT

@cl1983

Sony showed the games last February and they will show even more games during E3. Sony made that business decision because they were ready and they knew that gamers were craving for new consoles so they decided to announce their console 3 months before Microsoft. If Microsoft was ready they would have had a conference a while back and shown off a lot more games at it.

But like i said many times before Sony and Microsoft are catering to different Markets which is why Sony is marketing their console as a gaming machine while Microsoft is marketing theres as an ultimate digital television box.

cl19833986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

There's a big difference between having a reveal 4 months before a major game conference and 20 days before. Do I wish they showed more, yes, but I understand the business decision.
@MasterCornholio
If a tease for a single game at e3 is fine then the tease of 15 games for e3 for microsoft is also just fine. So by your math microsoft had more games.

maxgamehard3986d ago

This is recap of what i saw at M$

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

This is a recap of the features they have

Mandatory online checks, mandatory kinect, no upgradeable hardware, indies gotta find publishers, mandatory hard drive installation, paid online play, used game fees and it won't allow use of xbox 360 headsets

Microsoft had more games...

http://i.imgur.com/MPKTf.gi...

I love how M$ says 15 xbox exclusives. They just throw this large number out there to bait people.

Anyone remember E3 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

At minute mark 4:27

15 launch titles for kinect. They like to use the word 15 a lot. How many of those 15 were good?

From that dashboard of games leaked we saw Halo, Fable, Crackdown, Forza, Quantum Break and Ryse.

I am not saying there won't be good stuff, M$'s last three E3s have not been good. They have a terrible track record.

The_Klank3986d ago

I'd just like to point out that Microsoft chose the date for the reveal, that's completely on them.

rainslacker3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

Yes, having one 20 days before can give you a lot of hype and have people salivating for what you have left to show at the big show. Why didn't that happen again?

Seems maybe MS should have done one 4 months before because the above actually worked for Sony.

maxgamehard3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

I would totally buy this.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

On topic:

Sony and Nintendo will take care of the gamer at E3.

Tenkin3986d ago

Is not that hard to release interesting games

EasilyTheBest3986d ago

Microsoft said 3 times and numerous times since that the games are being kept for E3.
They even said there will be 15 Exclusives 8 of them being all new IPs.
This site is nuts!
Its not as if E3 is 10 months away....

If they would av shown 25 games Im sure there would be something wrong with that...

SexyGamerDude3986d ago

They also confirmed that they will be going ahead with their anti consumer practices.

MysticStrummer3986d ago

If they had shown 25 games, a lot of the negative reaction would be gone.

There would still be the used game thing, but MS has backpedaled some on that, so we'll see what happens there.

The negative reaction is MS's own fault. They made snide remarks about the PS4 reveal and implied that they'd change gaming on the 21st, then they barely talked about gaming at all. Most people expected more. I know I did, and I'm not even a MS fan.

maxgamehard3986d ago

@EasilyTheBest

I love how M$ says 15 xbox exclusives. They just throw this large number out there to bait people.

Anyone remember E3 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

At minute mark 4:27

15 launch titles for kinect. They like to use the word 15 a lot. How many of those 15 were good?

From that dashboard of games leaked we saw Halo, Fable, Crackdown, Forza, Quantum Break and Ryse.

I am not saying there won't be good stuff, M$'s last three E3s have not been good. They have a terrible track record.

@MysticStrummer

For most people no amount of games would fix the following.

Mandatory online checks, mandatory kinect, no upgradeable hardware, indies gotta find publishers, mandatory hard drive installation, paid online play, used game fees and it won't allow use of xbox 360 headsets

EasilyTheBest3986d ago (Edited 3986d ago )

But there is a Gaming negative reaction. Here in the UK the daily newspapers seem to be giving it the thumbs up.
The games negative will be addressed at E3.
Also like someone else have posted, the Videogame landscape has changed. People are playing games on Phones plus tablets.
The Wii U doesnt seem to be doing too well or is the Vita sales particularly good.
How many PS3s and 360s have been sold in 7 years? Around 77 Million apiece.
These numbers may never come again with the increased competition.
I sometimes think I am the only person on this site who thinks Microsofts reveal was done well. The console makers need more than gamers to be buying their console.
Who knows, Microsoft could sell 500 Million X1s within 7 years if they put the money into TV entertainment Skype etc.
When a Big AAA game title comes out then or a fun AA title comes out how many will they sell when they have that audience.
You think there wont be Big Big amazing games then? Every software maker in the land will be on the X1.
Microsoft as usual is playing the long long game.

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Shadonic3986d ago

So wanting the next step in console gaming to actually focus on what brought it this far in the first place gaming is impossible. Kind of like wanting a Car show to focus on the Car's or wanting a stripper to focus on looking sexy or something ( i dont go to strip clubs or do those kinds of things) or wanting the pilot of the plane your riding to focus on getting you and your fellow passengers to their destination safely. Well then I guess humans do the impossible everyday well except for Microsoft.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow16h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos3h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos1h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje1h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon2h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum4h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum32m ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

SimpleDad1h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

CobraKai55m ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK38m ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh30m ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.

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