Can the PlayStation 4 Handle SOE's PlanetSide 2?

Push Square: "PlanetSide 2 is a taxing free-to-play first-person shooter for the PC that requires a fairly robust machine to run. Despite the Sony Online Entertainment developed title being rumoured for the PlayStation 4 for a while, many have questioned whether the MMO will actually work on the next generation machine. Fortunately, president John Smedley has taken to Twitter to alleviate those concerns."

[Gimmemorebubblez]

PlanetSide 2 relies heavily on the CPU. The Ps4's CPU is meh..... But with some optimization it should run at 30 fps at 1080P with physics and particle effects as-well as a pretty good draw distance.

[Sharius]

if console hardware work extract like PC hardware then even my granma can build her own console, dude

[XB1_PS4]

Did you mean "exactly", because if not then your sentence is confusing.

[papashango]

go home sharius. you're drunk.

[XB1_PS4]

You said the ps4's processor is meh. That's what the downvotes are for.. 30fps and 1080p for planetside 2 is respectable.

[Blackdeath_663]

people have tried planet side with graphics cards in sli that cost almost twice as much as a ps3 and still had their fps tank down to 40. the ps3 barely makes the recommended requirements for planet side but it should run without a problem.

[JP1369]

Black-
Well then, it's a good thing we're talking about the PS4 here.

On topic: Being able to code for a particular set of specifications will enable PS4 to punch above its weight compared to PC tech. Despite the similarities in architecture, it most certainly isn't a like-for-like situation.

[Ol_G]

that's sad to downvote someone only for saying the cpu is meh in the meanwhile all you guys bash anything else you don't like kinda childish don't you think ?

[thechosenone]

"PS4 cpu is meh"

today I learned that an 8core CPU is just...meh.

[DoomeDx]

8 core clocked at 1,5 Ghz? Yes. Games only use 6 on the PS4 fyi.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

AMD. Meh

Intel desktop 4 core > amd desktop 8 core.

lol disagree but its true! And intel 4 core cpus cost more for a reason. So imagine a mobile amd 8 core.

[thechosenone]

lol who told you that...and you believe them? heh The OS or system does not require 2 cores. The PS4 will utilize all 8 cores.

[Flavor]

The eight cores is a gimmick, they are underperforming vs intel quads. AMD makes cheap CPU's bottom line, they have not competed realistically with intel for years.

[jmc8888]

People forget that an i7 920 (quad core) that cost $229 at launch in 2008, is faster than the PS4's CPU.

What's worse is that you could then overclock that processor 50 percent easily...which means many people have had a cheap CPU in their computer for 5 years that was faster than a PS4 when it launches and others have had that CPU overclocked another 50 percent.

[DragonKnight]

I love how PC elitists argue about consoles. They get all in a huff and act like consoles are exactly the same as PCs thus can be measured the same as PCs, then a dev comes along and proves them all wrong so they switch to the argument that the graphics aren't as good as you can get on a PC. It's a lovely, humourous cycle.

[M-M]

I consider 8 cores a lot, considering I have never owned any type of computer that has more than 2 cores.

[papashango]

@Dragonknight

Except nobody is arguing about consoles in this thread.

All I see is people stating that Intel quads demolish AMD 8-cores.

Which is true btw. I don't see how an AMD mobile 8-core would fare any better.

[ProjectVulcan]

Let me put it this way, a Samsung Galaxy S4 has a quad core CPU right?

Yeah, that's nice. But meaningless.

Its not about the number of cores that determines how fast a CPU is. Its not about the clockspeed. Its about the ops per clock and PS4's Jaguar ops per clock are not in the same league as something like a 4 year old 45nm Core 2 Quad let alone a Core i5 3570k or FX 8350 etc etc

I think you'll find that the actual performance of this 8 core Jaguar in PS4 would be lucky to beat a modern Intel dual core, say an i3 3220.

Its like an AMD E-350 x 4, plus at most, 25 percent if we are very generous.

[twinspectre]

dude u can't win with these PC elitist....

[Mounce]

I got a Laptop let alone that's a Quad core 1.6GHz and it can run BF3 near maxed, Crysis 2 basically maxed with DX11 and Tessellation. Can run Saints Row 3 nearly maxed and can run Planetside 2 on around medium-high.

If my 3 year old fucking laptop, which has lower-efficient parts to a PC's version then I would deeply think a PS4 should be able to outdo everything that my laptop can do by 8-10x the amount.

btw with that, my laptop is the Asus G73JH-A1. It's old, but still powerful, amazingly. It makes me know quite fair that even with 1.6GHz, I can run a lot of games with a Mobile ATI HD 5870 and 8GB DDR3 RAM. The CPU isn't really what's the concern or what's generally drained as much as the GPU is a bit 'meh'.

[jivah]

The bs tablet/notebook amd 8core processor in it. Yes its meh. I rather they have went with a first gen i5 that was out like 4 years at the least. It would give them miles more to work with.

Ima buy it anyways its just screams weak tho

[forcefullpower]

Planet side 2 is not CPU intensive at all. I have an i7 950 which is over two years old and it doesn't even use 25% of the CPU for it.

[DeadlyFire]

I don't see why it couldn't rely heavily on CPU+GPU with a few patches on the PC and some work on PS4 hardware it could equal out pretty well as most PC CPUs could scale even higher than PS4 hardware utilizing GPU cores. It may be CPU intensive now, but they could utilize GPU cores on the PC in relation to PS4 development. Which could could give it a boost on the PC and and a decent framerate for the PS4 as well. Since GPU handing compute is the new norm for the new generation. I wouldn't say PC won't benefit from this at some point. :)

CPUs for the past 7 years pretty much = Quad core = 8 threads. A few 8 core CPUs out there, but 4 has been the main seller for awhile.
PS4/X720 CPU = 8 cores, and 8 threads. (CISC design)
PS3 CPU = 1 core, 6 threads. SPEs/threads (RISC design)
X360 CPU 3 cores, 6 threads. (RISC design)

The biggest difference is CISC vs. RISC design. EVERYTHING pretty much knows CISC hardware in and out as 99% of it is x86. RISC on the other hand lies with IBM, and ARM as its main two supporters.

GPUs on the other hand. Have many cores that can be utilized for compute on top of the GPU graphics cores. This gives PS4 an advantage that makes it comparable to mid-level PC hardware. The Super High end will still be on the PC. Well because no console has 4 Tflops in the box.

[jmc8888]

No that's just medium high end.

Medium high end = GTX 680 or 700 series equivalent when it comes out.

Medium end = GTX 670 or 700 series equivalent (760)

high end = GTX 690 or GTX Titan or 700 series equivalent.

The SUPER high end or uber PC consists of some combination of these cards, GTX 680, 690, Titan....or the upcoming 700 series equivalents...but have them in SLI. There are some machines with 3xTitan, which means 3x4.5 TFlops or ~13.5 TFlops.

This could go up as you have a GTX 780 that looks to be about 4 TFlops as a cut down GTX Titan (sort of like how the 670 was cut down from 680). The 790 should be quite a beast. Plus there's some talk of a new GTX Titan card coming this year as well. So by the time the PS4 comes out, uber PC's could be pushing 15 TFlops.

Either way it looks like even a single medium range stock clocked GTX 770 will be 2/3rd's faster than a PS4 with 3 TFlops.

[linkenski]

Really? I thought it would be easier to make the game run great since consoles don't handle the gamecode the same way a pc does.

[DeadlyFire]

This is true as well since Consoles don't have an OS in their way of the hardware. Either way its more than possible Planetside 2 could exist on both platforms without many changes.

[Lior]

You can build a gaming pc for 500-600 pounds which will be more powerful than the ps4

[NeoTribe]

It still remains a boring pc though. Ps4 is a media, gaming paradise of a machine. Pc is a headache.

[SITH]

"PlanetSide 2 relies heavily on the CPU."

WTH!?

Planetside 2
Ambient Occlusion GPU
Display Mode GPU
Effects Quality GPU
Flora Quality GPU
Fog Shadows GPU

GPU Physics Figure it out. Yes The CPU can be switched to conduct the physics, but the GPU is more efficient especially in SLi given one GPU can be dedicated to Physics like my GTX 690 is configured to do.

Lighting Quality GPU
Model Quality GPU
Particles GPU
Render Distance GPU
Render Quality GPU
Resolution GPU
Shadow Quality GPU
Terrain Quality GPU
Texture Quality GPU

All of the above are on my GPU NVidia GeForce Experience GTX 690 Planetside 2 optimization. All of the above are set to high, on, or max settings minus blur which is off. When you get a CPU that can do all of the above heavier than a GPU, call me. I want that CPU in my gaming PC. And I run over 100 FPS in 1080p all physics on. Thanks to my GPU.

[Ducky]

Planetside2 does rely heavily on the CPU. This is a statement that has been repeated countless times by SOE themselves.

This doesn't mean the GPU isn't used for anything.
What it means is that when you have large scale battles going on, the CPU takes a bigger beating than the GPU, and more often than not, your performance bottleneck will be the CPU.

[linkenski]

It's true. My PC usually runs games at high frame rates but for some reason PS2 is a choppy mess, because my CPU is only 2ghz 8-core.

[aquamala]

It runs on more than "only" 1080p on PC by the way, like many recent PC games, 1440p is supported, so are triple monitor resolutions like 5760x1080

[imdaboss1]

PS4 can handle it why you think he responded back with a smiley face.

[dcbronco]

The CPU may be meh by PC desktop PC standards. But the design of the APU is geared toward off-loading compute code to the GPU more efficiently than a desktop PC. So the APU, if the changes to Jaguar are working as intended, will more than make up for the meh CPU. Add the inefficiencies of writing to the memory without constant flushes and it should even out fine. There should be no reason the PS4 can't do it. If it can't, I would bet the majority of gaming PCs out there couldn't either.

[Double_Oh_Snap]

Yup... https://twitter.com/j_smedl...

[Gimmemorebubblez]

John Smedley ‏@j_smedley 27 Feb
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^^^^^^^^^
Thats interesting.

[Salooh]

It's either planetside 3 or another game they are working on for both the pc and ps4...

[thechosenone]

fuk yeah
http://i.imgur.com/NlLVX4U....

[DeadlyFire]

Could be Planetside 2 expansion or something similar on the PC with GPU compute shift as well as this new version coming to PS4? Maybe :)

If PC utilized GPU compute then CPU power would be multiplied times 100 in the minimum. PC's use full scale CPUs. PS4/X720 use small core CPUs basically. I imagine that is the intention of GPU compute in games. I could see Microsoft/Sony go with full scale x86 CPUs in the generation after this one to show us that effect. :)

[Chaostar]

Well a smiley face is not 100% confirmation but it's still very encouraging :)

It's such a no brainer move for Sony to bring it to PS4, it just makes sense.

Judging from what we've seen so far I would never have had any doubts that PS4 could run it.

[ltachiUchiha]

If the ps3 can handle dc universe online, & mag then I dont see why the ps4 cant handle planetside 2.

[Irishguy95]

That "logic" makes so little sense.

Either way, yes...the Ps4 can handle it...no problem. Just not max it or 60FPS @ 1080p

[elhebbo16]

well we dont really know yet do we.

[XB1_PS4]

We don't know, we can only speculate. 60fps at 1080p would be impressive, especially if the game doesn't take a hit in the draw distance or textures. I don't see them nerfing those though because Sony wants to make graphics impressive so they can try to show off. Especially this early in the generation.

[Majin-vegeta]

Imagine MAG2 with Destructible environments,vehicels,all out warfare,256 players or more??:O

http://youtu.be/VW27kyh7PVM

[ThanatosDMC]

Nah, I love MAG and slaughtered with the best of them but Planetside 2 with our MAG clanmates would be even better.

48 man platoons with platoon interactions, tanks, apcs, fighters, gunships, dropships, and atvs to absorb tank mines vs another big outfit is just so damn awesome. 2000 players per server.

I ended up prefering the engineer and light class over the heavy assault for some odd reason.

What i want them to perfect would be the voice chat system that MAG had and incorporate it to PS2. The proxy chat is awful too compared to MAG's or Arma's proxy chat.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Accept planetside 2 has 2000 players I heard. Or was that just a marketing ploy?

[MysticStrummer]

Give me both MAG2 and Planetside 2 on PS4. Sony owns both and they are different enough so why not? I think Sony would do well to have one or the other preinstalled on all PS4s, then sell the other one.

[Ravenor]

It's like...you forgot how bad the FPS tanks in MAG. I agree 100% that given the hardware and nature of console development PS2 or a version of PS2 would operate just fine on the PS4, but lets not use poor examples.

[ltachiUchiha]

Well if its just a port then yeah there maybe some issues but if it is built taking advantage of the ps4 hardware then I dont see how the ps4 will have a problem since the pc has more bottlenecks and things to account for such as its os and other apps. Im not no pc genius but I know enough to understand why alot of devs are happy with the ps4, because the os and other thing u might have to work around the pc wont be that much of an issue on the ps4.

[windblowsagain]

with ease.

[MadLad]

Not quite.

[MidnytRain]

My LAPTOP can run PS2. Granted EVERYTHING is turned down and it looks like resurrected garbage, but it runs around 20 - 30 fps. It's just a matter of how good they can make it look. Quality control and all that.

[Pintheshadows]

My laptop also runs it on around medium at about 30fps. GTX 660M. Perfectly playable if a little bland on the textures front.

[Z_-_D_-_3]

Just scale it to 720p and 30 frames, I don't care, as long as it runs smooth and doesn't slow down too much.

[nyobzoo]

Yes it can, the question is how well can it handle PlanetSide 2?

[PuertoRicanVolta]

My guy tells me Planetside 2 and Everquest Next will both be on PS4. How well would they run? Dunno, but I trust Smedley.

[DragonKnight]

Can your guy tell me the winning lottery numbers?

[meeples999]

Personally couldn't care less about Planetside now that we have Dust 514.

Planetside 2 could definitely run on the PS4 but it's already being done on consoles in a much more interesting way by Dust 514.

[Adityac]

Lol Dust 514 is shit

[hesido]

I'd be very surprised if PS4 couldn't handle it.

[1nsomniac]

It seems this years 'it' word would be '60fps'...

[ginsunuva]

Duh. And with some specific optimizations even more.

[Kennytaur]

The PS4 should be able to run most everything, the only question is "how well?". 1080p @ 30 FPS or 720p @ 60 should be doable. Most likely with a custom graphic setup either way, as in every setting tailored to the hardwares strengths and weaknesses.

[GABRIEL1030]

Planetside 2 will be a piece of cake for PS4, 8 GB GDDR5 (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 5) and integrated CPU/GPU. Planetside 2 for PS4 at this E3 will be the reason because Red Spawn Entertaiment ( Creators of COD) FPS MMO goes exclusive for Xbox infinity.

Another greatest hit for PS4, this machine will be awesome. :)

Planetside 2 is one of the best games ever created and if goes with PS+ will be pure TNT.

[MrDead]

Planetside 2 played on:

i7 3770k
16GB RAM
GTX 680

Gets 35-40 FPS at 1080p with everything maxed out. Can't wait to see if they can pull this off on the PS4, it will be a good test to see what the system can do.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[D3vilzRightHand]

On topic:

Ps4 imo can run on a ps4, They will not play on PC servers so they will have there own and regarding gfx, I would say High or Medim with no probb with around 60% draw dist..

Second:

Regarding PS2 4 the ppl not tested it yet,
The "grid" system will be radically changed with the new Latence system (like old ps1)
There will be fleet carriers (called BASTION, Search 4 it on Google) and a new continent in 3-4 month called Hossain and last there will be Continent locks + further down the road map they talked about making the "real" teleporter beams work and put in sancs after 5 maps.

Links:

Psu: Universe ( latest regarding planetside )
http://www.planetside-unive...

This is planetside 2:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I am in a "guild" with 150+ hardcore members.
(VC - vanu corp). Playing on miller and name is: DevilzRightHand.

Not the map ( The "rules) Have changed some what now ...

https://players.planetside2...

[Reportillo4]

yes i agree, ps4 can run on ps4

[NarooN]

After much deliberation and painstaking research, I too have come to the conclusion that the PS4 will be able to run on the PS4.

[PAYNEinc85]

I think after about a year or 2 of optimizing the PS4's hardware it will be able to run games like this smoothly. As of right now probably not. unless were talking 720p at 30 fps with serious fps drop.

[supraking951]

I cant wait to see Planetside 2 on the next Xbox. :)

[ZBlacktt]

Inb4 more highly over sensitive PC gamers come in to defend their highly priced investments to the PS4. As a means to justice dollars to value to gaming experience. Only to realize no, you cannot do everything a PS4 can at $350. Or am I to late?

The PS3 could handle MAG which had up to 256 players per game. I think the PS4 can do much better when it comes to expectations.

[BattleAxe]

I think I'm going to download PlanetSide 2 from Steam and give it a try. Hopefully its better than DUST 514, because I really didn't like that game when I tried it out last week.

[insertnamehurr]

Its funny cause ps4 was designed for low power consumption to avoid over heat like ps3 and xbox 360 did, as well as being cheaper. Ps4 will be smaller, lighter and way more powerful than ps3 and thats what counts and not many ppl see that factor, what counts is how better it does than ps3 did.

If sony didnt care about us consumers theyd go for a more expensive and powerful console. In fact, ps4 is a powerful tablet where load times almost dont exist ;)

[satam55]

The minimum system requirements for the PC version is:
OS:Windows XP

Processor:Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 or higher / AMD Phenom II X2 or higher

Memory:4 GB RAM

Graphics:nVidia GeForce 8600 series or higher / AMD or ATI 4850 series or higher

DirectX®:9.0

Hard Drive:15 GB HD space

Sound:DirectX compatible Sound Card

Other Requirements:Broadband Internet connection

While the recommend system requirements for the PC version is:
OS:Windows 7

Processor:Intel i5 processor or higher / AMD Phenom II X6 or higher

Memory:6 GB RAM

Graphics:nVidia GeForce 540 or higher / AMD HD 6870 or higher

DirectX®:9.0

Hard Drive:15 GB HD space

Sound:DirectX compatible Sound Card

Other Requirements:Broadband Internet connection

I think the game can be ported over to the PS4, successfully.

[Novistador]

Could it be done? Anything is possible. Would it be a bastardized port? Yes more than likely. You would have to sacrifice a good 30 fps are so, now we have the game running at half capacity. Throw in networking issues, since it can't be connected to PC servers you wouldnt have the large player base you have on the PC (not saying the PS servers wouldn't grow eventually) but a perfect example of this is Team fortress 2. An amazing PC fps that when ported to a system it flopped. You have to think of the player base as well as specs. Those who are playing this on the PC would not downgrade to play it on the PS4.

[josephayal]

PS4 can do more and better than any PC

[evilsooty]

I'm sure it will be good, but 'any' PC? No.

[2v1]

no way jose but I will call my psychic and will let you know.

[imchuckbass]

Maybe at 720p 30fps, but still only a maybe, this game is known to be very cpu intensive

But that's what happens when you go with a tablet cpu

The most worrying thing: You would expect bottlenecks (CPU in this case) to be a problem a few years into the console's lifecycle, not before the damn thing is even released!

[BitbyDeath]

Could Sony's PS4 handle a Sony made game? Well lets go call captain obvious and see what he thinks. Duh!

[Condemnedman]

Who cares can we have some more stories on gran turismo because I'm sure this website needs the hits

[landog]

ps4 can run planetside 2 for sure

can it run in 1920x1080 native with 4x msaa anti aliasing and huge draw distance at 60 frames???

hell no

it will have fxaa and a much shorter draw distance and 30 frames, and maybe, if we are lucky, native 1080p

don't be surprised though to see many ps4 games come out sub-1080p

theres just not enough cpu/gpu muscle in the ps4 to push native 1080p with major anti aliasing and huge draw distance on a huge multiplayer game like ps2

[saoco]

I would love to see this on ps4. I don't play on pc. I know they are not that expensive anymore. But I'd rather put that money on my 93 rx-7 <3..... Ahh the love of my life.

[urwifeminder]

The game showed lots of promise I recently deleted it it just doesn't work very well.

[bumnut]

Me too, it gets boring fast.

[Cueil]

idiots... EQ1 remake not Planetside 2

[Pinkdolphin]

The ps4 is only twice as powerful as my smart phone since its 4 cores right? Yea I thought so with your broken logic more=better.

[KillerPwned]

MAYBE! Not maxed out but I could be wrong still I have no doubt this could come to the PS4.

[Angainor7]

You are kidding me right? of course it can.

[AllroundGamer]

wow again PlanetSide2 being hyped... i have like 200 hours played with the game and trust me, it isn't so good as hyped. More people argue about all the bugs etc. than praising it. It was fun for about 20 hours or so, but then mostly boring.

[Shacojin]

QUESTION... Did you play with an OUTFIT? if I may suggest try playing with the FAT32 Outfit.. they are very organized with good leaders, attacking an enemies base with these guys is always awesome!

[AllroundGamer]

yes i play with an outfit (playing as Vanu on Ceres, which is overpopulated with TR and NC, another negative about the game fairness) and still the goals are boring, destroy generators, start capping (now the capping is even longer thx to the new timers without the infantry bonus), wait, shoot at the spawnroom and repeat. This and the horrible number of bugs is getting many people to quit this game already. Btw. i run it with 60-80fps on a i7-2600k, 16gb ram and a radeon 6950, but the graphics won't rescue the game and bad developer gameplay decisions which are making the game constatly worse.

[Shacojin]

I know what you mean, and yes the bugs are terrible.. But in your opinion, what would make this a game that could get you and everyone else for that matter to play for hours on end? It is a free game though so no major complaints from me *Get what you pay for*.. My PC is not that powerful at all, running a i5 I think with 6GB of memory and lord knows what kind of cheap AMD card is inside.

[Shacojin]

Oh Lord it can run it... if my Shitacular PC can run it at 1080p medium settings.. PS4 can run Planetside 2 with far better results. I just hope Keyboard and Mouse are optional to play the game on PS4

[Angeljuice]

!!!!!!!!No problem whatsoever for PS4!!!!!!!!!

Honestly, P.C. users are used to comparing apples to apples, its how you judge the performance of a pc. What they don't realise is just how different the PS4 is, you can't compare the two directly on stats alone as the results are skewed. Windows cripples performance hugely and direct x is so far from coding to the metal that it also is a hugely limiting factor.

Everything you do on a P.C. HAS BETWEEN 2x and 100x the overheads required for the same result as its console equivalent. If you look at this calculation made on AnandTech, they estimate that the PS4 will initially be equivalent of a P.C. running at just under 4Tflops, which should rise to just under 10Tflops over the coming years. http://forums.anandtech.com...

This is an exciting time for P.C. users, just think of the performance a high-end P.C. will gain when they adopt this technology in the next few years. It's quite revolutionary.

Sony 'fanboys' who say PS4 will beat your current gaming rig are correct ( unless it is absolutely top notch), but it is based on P.C. architecture and will be coming to P.C.'s soon enough. It's just a shame that your P.C. will likely still be hampered by a bloated legacy-riddled OS.

[evilsooty]

As it's made by Sony themselves of course it will be coming to the PS4. It will just be a matter of how good it looks as (console optimisations aside) even ridiculously high-end PC's take a FPS hit in large battles(hundreds of players in one area with dozens of aircraft and vehicles).

Regardless of this it will be there in some form and as a PC player with a few hundred hours into it you PS4 players will love it! It's what Battlefield should have been and I hope it's a huge success on the PS4 as it might give other developers some impetus to move away from the multitude of boring and shallow arena shooters.