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iOS Game Spending Alone Outpaces Nintendo 3DS And PlayStation Vita In Q1 2013

Research firms IDC and App Annie have both conducted a study which found that tablet and smartphone gaming on Apple products have eclipsed Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita software sales during the first quarter of 2013.

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nigelp5203990d ago

Casual lame iphone games< actual handheld gaming

SirBradders3990d ago

And that's the world we live in folks. companies taking advantage of the addictive personality of vulnerable people. It's like people are brainwashed by this stuff.

MikeMyers3990d ago

Brainwashed? No, it's called serving the demands out there. The world we live in is more people are playing games, how is that a bad thing? If ITunes can get more people to enjoy music is that a bad thing because you don't like their taste in music?

People need to get off their high-horses and realize there is a world outside of their own. One where we can actually have many many more choices than ever before. Want to play a 0.99 cent game? Now you can. Want to play a multi-million dollar budgeted game for $60? You still can. Brainwashed is thinking games should only serve the needs of the hardcore and that casual games can't be fun to play.

klecser3990d ago

I agree with your balanced comment. I would like to point out that iOS fanboys frequently come on here and act with behavior that is EXACTLY like what you are objecting to here. So, people here are a little sensitive because we've heard so much "iOS games are da HAXXORS and handheld games should die because my casual choice is the ONLY 'logical' choice" that we're all a little sensitive when articles like this pop up.

CommonSenseGamer3990d ago

@klecser:
Yeah, cause Vita and 3DS fanboys don't do exactly the same thing. Every system has fanboys and they don't care about common sense or what the facts might be telling them.

klecser3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

I never said that 3DS/Vita gamers don't do it. I'm saying that it shouldn't surprise people when they see over-sensitive comments about this issue. There is blood on the hands of all involved.

SirBradders3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

@mike i didn't say people are brainwashed i said it's like they are.
There is some logic behind what i said and i admit i didn't explain properly but i have a smartphone and i play alot of games on it so i know what im talking about when i say that most games (a good 90% if not more are based on this pay to win or pay to get it done fast scheme).

Every single city building type game (farm, castle, dragon city etc...) all design the game around paying to speed up the process of building and aquiring special units, so i ask what is the only entertainment you get by playing these games aside from knowing your pockets are bigger then the next guy or your mate because there's no real story or structure just 2 liners for you to achieve a task.

Look at dungeon hunter for example 1 and 2 you paid x amount and got a full fledged game 3 was an arena based cash grab and 4 gave back a story but in exchange for paying to win unless you can buy loadsa potions or grind for hours.

And Myers it is mostly kids pockets this effects and all it teaches them is to pay to win not use their heads to complete a game.

drizzom3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

The problem is that the casual Markets "Fee-to-Pay" business model is something that is being adopted by the console market. We never had a cashier following us around whenever we wanted to just play a game in peace. We didn't have to worry that there might be an item we want thats going to be hidden behind a paywall (yet shoved in our face at every opportunity).

Its that business model thats ruining the fun in console games. Dude if you like smartphone games, cool. But your supporting of such a manipulative business model is causing it to creep into console games.

MikeMyers3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

@drizzom

Arcades were big money pits. You used to put in quarter after quarter trying to get further and further into the game. That same ideology can be applied to many smartphone games can it not?

They will always try and create new business models to get us to pay. Whether it be episodic content like The Walking Dead, or a MMO game like World of Warcraft. You could also argue sports games have their own business model, to get you to buy the game on an annual basis when some offer just a few tweaks and upgrades.

What does all of this have in common? The consumer decides their own value. If I enjoy playing Doodle Jump for 10 minutes every other day and the game cost me 0.99 cents why do you care? Why do I care if people want to spend $15 a month playing World of Warcraft or if your friend wants to spend $1.99 on a new car bundle for Gran Turismo?

What has happened is technology now permits these new business models. Why would they ignore them at their disposal? We used to wait years for a game like Metal Gear Solid to come out. Now they can keep the interest going with DLC, why is that a problem? Konami can also look to tap into the IOS market is they choose. It offers a cheaper alternative to making games. Not every studio can afford to keep making multi-million dollar games.

Apple has found a market for smaller and cheaper games that bring new and old gamers into the market looking for flash games. I see nothing wrong with it as long as it's priced accordingly. In the end it is still you as a consumer that chooses what to buy.

drizzom3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

@MikeMyers

I was about to post a response to that but I realized as I was typing that the core reason why we are in disagreement is that from an ethical perspective, we both have very different views and, more importantly, expectations of the games we enjoy. Thus we can rationalize our points of view towards a never ending debate.

You will never understand how different passing time at an arcade while you wait for a movie is from a cashier living in your pocket wherever you go.

And I will never understand how people can settle for simpler games with a business model like that.

We'd argue forever so I'll stay away from this volatile topic.

MikeMyers3990d ago (Edited 3990d ago )

I guess my response would be that perhaps I don't look as deep into all of this as you do. I see it as a hobby and a small investment. I can enjoy games of all scales and on most devices. I understand the barriers games on ios devices bring and limit my budget accordingly.

What I see is more selection than any other time in history with more choices to play those games on than any time before. I also understand the economics of how costly games are to create than they used to be. What used to be a team of maybe a dozen people now takes hundreds. Games used to cost $50 back in the 80's and now they are just $60, so maybe my expectations aren't as high as high as yours. I can see the need for DLC and various other business models coming into place. Developers are also likely to try their games on the widest audience possible and smartphones have a much larger market now.

I don't see one cannibalizing the other, I see them all being able to co-exist because there is still a market for dedicated handhelds like Vita and 3DS, there's still a market for console gaming and the PC as well. Sure there will be some learning curves. We've already seen PC games conform to console gamers due to its marketing but we still see great games on the PC.

We want the industry to flourish and be vibrant. Not a market that is still just aiming at the hardcore male aged 14-22 but also those who may now have grown up on videogames and want to play games with their kids and wives/husbands. Lots of people just don't have as much time anymore to play 60 hour role playing games. These ios games can fill that void. It's all about enjoyment and sorry to say but games like Doodle Jump are fun. They are not deep games but not every game has to be does it? People can play them on their coffee breaks.

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DivineAssault 3990d ago

There are more casuals out there than cores so this doesnt surprise me.. The wii blew up because of ppl who like these phone games.. Core gamers are but a small portion of the industry unfortunately.. Thats why i think MS is going for that crowd with their nx gen system.. It will have enough power to run nx gen multiplats & look nice but it will draw in these types of casual gamers with their new kinect & apps

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1016d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21835d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos5d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai6d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19726d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier5d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21835d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel12d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing11d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS11d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.