Warren Spector 'so tired of stuff' like Wolfenstein

DT:Wolfenstein: The New Order was announced only this morning, but game creator Warren Spector has selected it as the ambassador of all he hates in the industry. Questioning the need for its existence, Spector has expressed dismay at yet another shooter.

[NYC_Gamer]

I agree,that too many mindless shooters are flooding the market left and right.

[Abash]

Im just bummed out by so many FPS games like CoD, Battlefield, Wolfenstein, etc. already getting a next gen version ready as soon as the new consoles launch. It's like we cant even get a slight break with a new console gen starting from all these shooters

[Phil32]

There wasn't even as much genre fatigue for me with the 90's platformer craze than there is for me and FPS games. (And the 90's platformer craze was immense.) So tired of this schlock and it getting hyped all the time, bought by some many. I understand they are fun, but in small doses. I don't need a new FPS every week. Perhaps that's why I'm hoping the Wii U finally does well, because just like the Wii, that system seems like it could offer more variety than a plethora of gun games.

[Donnieboi]

Yeah I was hoping for Fallout 4. Instead we get a sequel that nobody was really asking for.

[dedicatedtogamers]

I think people are being too hard on the game. Let's see if it turns out.

If we were really so tired of mindless shooters, then why didn't hardcore gamers rush out and buy Spec Ops: The Line? Oh wait. It's because it isn't the mindless shooters that people hate. It's the fact that most of the shooters are low-quality. It is no coincidence that on the rare occasions a quality (notice I said quality, not unique) shooter comes out, both gamers and journalists all rush to shower it with praise upon praise.

[Mounce]

Even then. Last I saw, Warren Spector was just another one of thoes Old-generation game developers who're self-obsessed and talk about how the new generation sucks ass.

Just like the Atari founder and many other old guys of the gaming industry who're arrogant that their ways were the best and this 'age' can't make anything great.

Why should we care if this guy is 'tired of stuff like-' Anything? It's his opinion but how is it NEWS?

Would it be news if we learned he took a shit at 3 in the morning? Does him not caring or being tired of something change or improve the industry? No....

So, really...Why is this news? An opinion from a developer should only matter if it's a revelation of some sort like say if Hideo Kojima says "movies are flawed compared to games Because:" Then sure. etc etc.

[MilkMan]

Thanks Warren, you're my hero.

[megalonagyix]

I don't get it what's his problem. COD gets a release every year. Wolfenstein gets released with like a 5-year-break and brings a totally new concept to the series. I mean what the heck should it be, platformer?

[admiralvic]

I agree, it and most (if not all) non CoD / BF shooters should be canceled to prevent us getting tired of the genre. /s

[DragonKnight]

It doesn't matter that one specific game takes a break when the whole genre doesn't. People will begin to not care if it brings something new because it'll be viewed as just another shooter among the sea of shooters.

[admiralvic]

I disagree.

You're basically saying to punish fans of Wolfenstein, simply because there are too many other games similar in nature. Should we also decline Doom 4 and Timesplitters 4 for the same reason?

From what we know, Wolfenstein The New Order takes the series in a new direction and that's it. It makes no sense to call out the game that is credited for making the genre, simply because it remains a FPS, when we should (if you're really sick of the genre) call out NEW IP's that are FPS games.

[DragonKnight]

"You're basically saying to punish fans of Wolfenstein, simply because there are too many other games similar in nature."

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm explaining what his problem is and why anyone would have the same problem. There are too many shooters out there and so, Wolfenstein or not, people will be turned off by yet another shooter. People want something different and the fact remains, no matter what Wolfenstein may change or add, it's still a shooter at its very core and many would skip it for that reason alone if they have genre fatigue.

[admiralvic]

"People want something different and the fact remains, no matter what Wolfenstein may change or add, it's still a shooter at its very core and many would skip it for that reason alone if they have genre fatigue."

Isn't that a rationally invalid statement? If you want Wolfenstein, then regardless of how you feel about the genre, you'll probably end up buying it. I don't think anyone is expecting the "original" FPS to become a RTS, Turn based RPG, Platformer or Card game, so it really boils down to whither or not you want "Wolfenstine". I mean, how many people that love the series are going to skip it simply because "I played too many shooters". It just makes no sense to make a stand against this game, when new IP's should be blamed.

Not to get too far off subject, but this is one thing I am really getting sick of (and this isn't directed at you). "Genre fatigue" is way too subjective of a concept to really talk about it. Yes there are a lot of shooters (a lot of people like to lump FPS and TPS games together and merely call out FPS games), but there are still plenty of other options out there. If people just so happen to suffer from this, then they should shut up and play other genre's. There are plenty of interesting new games to play, like Soul Sacrifice and playing them will make these "tired" shooters seem better. In the end, I guess I see this concept like the various ism's. People apply their own conditions upon them (like I am only excited by FPS games) and then complain that the genre is getting out of hand because I am not interested by other things. So one sided and stupid.

[DragonKnight]

You're still missing the point. Wolfenstein may appeal to fans, but if people and developers are tired of shooters then it won't appeal to them regardless of what it brings to the table. This gen has been filled with shooters of all kinds. There comes a point when people become tired of the same old gameplay and themes. Yes, there are other games to play. No, there are no other genres as dominant as the shooter genre this gen, and that includes all games with a heavy emphasis on gunplay, whether it be FPS, TPS, whatever.

The safe bet for any developer is to make a shooter, or a shooter hybrid this gen. Call of Duty proved that people will flock in droves to it. But it also created this gen's Clone Wars. The previous gen it was Grand Theft Auto, this gen it's Call of Duty, and people are tired of it.

Genre fatigue is subjective, but also very real. And just as no one can say "most are tired of shooters," it also can't be said that no one is tired of shooters.

[mydyingparadiselost]

Actually a platformer RTS COD sounds awesome.....................

[GillHarrison]

I do understand the FPS burnout, but I think we gave Warren Spector too big of ego. His last two games were mediocre at best. I do hope he makes a comeback with the same brilliance as the original Deus Ex.

[IIC0mPLeXII]

Is he going to have the balls to say that when Half Life 3 hits, or Doom 4? Its an id shooter, that quality is no where close to the cod shovelware.

[0pie]

why is he talking like he is better than everyone. The 2 mickey mouse games were shit. He dont have anything to say about other games.

[-Gespenst-]

The man made Deus Ex, a game that's still better than most games these days. Perhaps Epic Mickey was a (sort of) failed experiment, but the man still knows how to make a good game.

[jagstatboy]

"Did the world really need another Wolfenstein game?"

What's his problem with someone creating a game that others might want to buy and play? I could easily ask, "Did the world really need another donut?" Since obesity in America is a real problem I would say my question is more valid than his.

[matrixman92]

im so tired of stuff like Epic Mickey

[Theyellowflash30]

How many games are like Epic Mickey?

Now how many FPS flood the market?

[DragonKnight]

It appears to me that you just fell victim to the troll.

[Conquerbeard]

Epic Mickey was garbage. I thank you for helping create Deus Ex, but you haven't done much since leaving Ion Storm.

[josephayal]

smart guy, Nobody needs another zombie shooter. R.I.P Fallout 4 New York :(

[Donnywho]

Would Deus Ex even exist without the initial influence of games like Wolfenstein? I know it's a stretch and it's out on a limb but I think it works.

[christheredhead]

I can somewhat agree with what he is saying. I'm definitely interested about seeing Wolfenstein in action, but not excited.

Unfortunately, the game will probably follow the same regurgitated formula as most other FPS games. There will be stylized cinematic action, explosions, linear hallway corridor shooting and probably some sort of rank up/progression type multiplayer. Also, the graphics will be compared and analyzed to no end. Will probably be hailed as amazing. Same stuff, different day.

Its not Wolfensteins fault necessarily, but thats what most people expect and they will probably follow suit. I would really like to be proven wrong.

[skyrimer]

He hasn't done a decent game in years, and his best game, Deus Ex, was a fps, I really don't know what authority does he have to give lessons to anyone.

[madjedi]

Yes shooters are starting to get tired for alot of people still doesn't mean anyone should pay him any attention.

As much credit as these famous devs get, people should remember they didn't single handedly make the game.

Either the market will buy it or they won't.