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PS4 And Next Xbox Won't Save Console Gaming

GameRevolution:

"I've been playing games for 80% of my life now and that number will only inch upwards as I continue into old age, senility, and all the other horrible things that go along with it. I've been the kind of enthusiast that always wanted the newest games and the latest information, making E3 an inter-dimensional portal to the future and, oh my God, the future is awesome! Seriously, have you guys seen the Nintendo 64? 64 is a ridiculously high number which means it's super-powerful.

"The point is, I've been around the block. I've been a dedicated portable gamer. I've been on the winning side of console wars and I've been on the losing side of the console wars. I've seen fat times and I've seen lean times, and so has the industry. But consoles have never seen so many threats to their market, including the missteps that have taken place over the past eight years. Believe me when I say the major console manufacturers have kind of screwed themselves on this one."

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Vengeance11384004d ago

Not even gonna read this one due to its lunacy. Unless its a humor piece? "Save" console gaming?? Froooommm what? Exactly? Console gaming will be around forever and not much if anything can replace it.

-Mika-4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

It seems like you already have your mind made up so Im not going to go into detail to explain why you're wrong. All I have to say is think logically and be realistic. Take off your rose colored glasses and think. This doesn't just apply to you. This applies to most of the other users on this site because it honestly seems like me and a few other users are honestly thinking realistically about the gaming industry and it future.

joeorc4004d ago

"Now the freshest, most forward-thinking talent in games development has an open and accessible market waiting for their product. It doesn't matter if many iOS and Android games never hit the highs of an Angry Birds or Rope-Cutting Simulator. The fact that these individuals, the ones responsible for coding and designing the next big thing on your home console, have left the market altogether is a warning shot to Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft."

ok the jist of this entire piece is the PC and the smartphone and Tablet devices will further erode the console viability in the market.

The problem with this way of looking at it is, that A: the console manuf. all see this as a threat and have already taken strides to offset this. for instance all three are putting large investment's into mobile gaming space that cater's to the console player. and allows those very same developer's to make money on their software that will also run on these companies console platforms thus extra systems to make money on with the exact same software released. to not just smartphones but now also on console's at the same time.

as for PC

Notice the development's for the PC software many times now the same publisher's are also putting console as a development game that is also made for PC.

which means self publishing is the only thing of market dynamic that will matter, abd once again all three are heading toward friendly methods for self publishing on their platform. Sony already has the Pub fund, Microsoft has expanded the from the xna program as a matter of fact both Microsoft and Sony are both using x86 this time instead of Power PC processor's.

this piece talked about PC getting more people while console gamers install base eroding just does not make a lick of sense.

_-EDMIX-_4004d ago

if someone is wrong is it not your job to disprove that!? to say console gaming is dead is a complete joke. 260 million people say otherwise.

I love handheld PC gaming much as the next guy, but my love For has nothing to do with its financial status. talk to me when AMD or Nvida sells 260 million high end GPUs.... in a single generation. PC gaming has amazing titles like star citizen, but as a Macy a star citizen is it will sell like destiny I 100 percent guarantee it! that is why console gaming remain on the "winning" side

dcbronco4004d ago

Mika,

There is no doubt people need to start thinking more realistically. But the gaming industry is fine. One of the major things that drives sales is new hardware. We are in the longest generation ever. It has been far too long. There is nothing in entertainment that can compete with the gaming industry right now. Not movies or music. Once the next consoles release, the sales will pick up again. And if there are deals that subsidize the purchase of the console early sales will be better than ever.

And motion controls aren't a mistake. In conjunction with standard controllers they will push innovation forward. Nothing is perfect day one. Over time and with power motion controls will become a wanted and needed addition to gaming.

raWfodog4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

The previous generation of PS2 and Xbox sold 180 million units combined. The 360, PS3, and Wii have sold a combined total of more than 250 Million consoles this generation. There is unprecedented enthusiam from both developers and gamers regarding the PS4 and NextBox for this upcoming generation.

You say 'think logically and realistic' but to think that iOS and mobile gaming is going to somehow take developer's attention away from AAA console development is not logical at all, not with units sold forecasting into the hundred millions. Of course we'll see more developers emerging into mobile gaming but that does not equate into less consoles, just more business.

sikbeta4004d ago

Now there is no hope...

:(

avengers19784004d ago

Xbox 80 million PS3 80 million wii 100 million... All 3 companies were just fine last generation. Not to mention the handheld market. Gaming is still huge, and as long as there are people( by the hundreds of millions ) playing and paying for games there will be consoles for a long time.

jlukee4004d ago

People can't seriously believe that a 5 minute mini game on ios and android is going eradicate the market for playstation/xbox devs... Sure you lose some of the casual gamers, which is more of a worry for nintendo, but you won't see a dent in the hardcore market for a few decades at least. People who want to play a serious, detailed and supported game will buy a console. It's as simple as that.

_-EDMIX-_4004d ago

@rawfodog- I completely agree. look at it this way just because the handheld Market begin to rise didn't crush replace consoles. in fact the DS alone sold 150 million units.... a single handheld almost sold more units then all the consuls combined last generation.... that's sort of a big deal..... yet here we are with the longest generation in recorded history and 150 million units later.

I'm sorry but because one part of gaming is growing doesn't mean it's destroying the other part. did the idiot who wrote this article ever stop to think that maybe some of the people who are playing these casual phone games also own consoles? hey genius just because I play words with my friends doesn't mean I'm not preordering and grand theft auto 5, I downloaded limbo off of steam I guess I'm no longer playing Battlefield 3 then...lol. it's even more funny when you realize that there more consoles sold this generation than any other.

the only thing that someone can take from this generation is that there's an explosion of more gamers!

Army_of_Darkness4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

I have a tablet, smartphone, desktop and Laptop all with casual games here and there, but has it ever gave me the thought of replacing my real games on my Ps3 or consoles in general??
NEVER!
Those casual android games will/ and have never satisfied my hunger for video games.
That touching and swiping crap doesn't cut it with real games. A big screen HDTV with an actual console, controller and AAA games will always be required for true, longer lasting Hardcore games.

I don't think Sony and nintendo will ever abandon console gamers... well, not for a while anyway.

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miyamoto4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

not gonna approve this article... but PS4 already did, imho. I know it when I see it and i am calling it now.

Sev4004d ago

The PS4 didn't yet - it's not even out.

This last console generation went on far too long, and everyone in the console business is paying for it. Software sales, which drive the profit from this business, are way down. Publishers are taking less risks, so there are less and less releases on the horizon. Even the big games that have released this year, have been considered failures (like Tomb Raider) because they needed to sell more to be truly profitable.

That just doesn't happen anymore, and it's because there are too many options for gamers now. People are limited to consoles only, and Nintendo, MS, and Sony have allowed that to happen, allowed other sectors of the industry to grow too large, simply by dragging this last generation's feet about two and a half years too long. They thought Move and Kinect would keep it going, but that did NOTHING to innovate.

fsfsxii4004d ago

@ sev
SE set their expectations way high for TR, i think 3.4 million copies in 1 month is good for a game like this, they want their games to sell like COD which is not happening.

OT: I don't know what needs saving, seriously.

Thatguy-3104004d ago

Exactly don't really know why it need "saving" O.o this us the first generation where the 3 manufacturers are able to cross the 100 million mark. Don't see why people are failing to see that.

knifefight4004d ago

I understand disagreeing with a prediction, but coming right out and admitting that you didn't even listen to the other side's point? That's kind of immature. >_>

As for the topic at hand:
There are valid points and concerns on both sides. I, for one, have no idea what will happen. On one hand, I want to think that console gaming will be fine for decades to come. On the other, I never thought digitally owning music would ever bump CDs like it has, never thought we'd see the day that teenagers own cellphones, etc. I don't know anymore, and I feel old, haha XD
I certainly hope console gaming sticks around.

uncharted564004d ago

I work in the IT industry. So I have some knowledge as to this even though I am still completing my degree and then gaming related programs so I can get into the gaming industry. Here is what I will say consoles will eventually diminish with time because more portable means of gaming will replace them. You will have portable devices that will start to emulate games with pc graphics. The only shortcoming I see in the portable gaming today is that the hardware limitation which will change with time and control scheme aka how the player interacts with the game because I am thinking in future they will implement something that will not be touchscreen based controls but maybe something futuristic or a controller that will be portable enough so you can carry it with your portable device and game on the go.

raWfodog4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

"You will have portable devices that will start to emulate games with pc graphics. The only shortcoming I see in the portable gaming today is that the hardware limitation which will change with time..."

But then wouldn't the logical evolution of that same argument be that as portable gaming becomes better so will 'stationary' consoles or PCs? People keep saying that portable gaming will become better but think that console and PC gaming won't continue to evolve as well.

ZodTheRipper4004d ago

Portable gaming replacing consoles? I don't think so. I rather play at home on a big TV. I probably even play more iPhone/Vita games at home than I do outside.

stuna14004d ago

I did'nt know console gaming needed saving! If anything we might very well have our first true case if immortality! Gaming on consoles is constantly evolving and will continue to do so.

SilentNegotiator4004d ago

The 7th gen saw the most hardware sold of ANY generation. What does console gaming need saving from?

ijust2good4004d ago

Not gonna save console gaming but will kill PC gaming.

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ApolloTheBoss4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Just, just stop please. Let's not be delusional.

ftwrthtx4004d ago

Shouldn't it read "Save disc based Console Gaming" instead?

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TrendyGamers4004d ago

They'll definitely keep it going at the very least.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow112h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos10h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos8h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje8h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

Aphrodia35m ago

And what of the rights of the buyer? The ones that purchased this game with hard earned money? They bought a product that is now being changed into a different product. Surely you would stand up for them since you are about "rights"?

Christopher29m ago

***It's not their work to censor. ***

They own the IP. It's theirs too do with as they wish.

***It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score. ***

You got proof of this? And even if this were true, isn't it the developer right to want whatever an ESG score is?

***from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal. ***

Licensed music is always going to get changed unless they can afford to keep paying those fees sadly.

***Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people. ***

You do know in the original that the artwork is extremely pixelated so you can't even tell what it is, right? Shouldn't we then be arguing that they increased the detail of this artwork at all then? Why the remaster? Picasso got it right already with the original.

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Eidolon8h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum11h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum7h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola6h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum5h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

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Aphrodia42m ago

And Lara Croft is also a mass murderer everywhere she goes. Why didn't they patch that out as well? See, anyone can spew pedantic BS.

CrimsonWing6921m ago

How is it not censorship? They are removing suggestive content due to not wanting to offend SJWs and woke people. They literally removed something already in the game that nobody even thought twice about just like a movie on cable television is edited for content… y’know, like literally removing scenes because of not wanting to offend a public audience? How is this different?

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SimpleDad8h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola6h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

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Christopher28m ago

Have fun falling off that cliff at the end of the slippery slope.

CobraKai7h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Christopher27m ago

Just FYI, every game has that right.

Killer2020UK7h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh7h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

Christopher26m ago

My thinking is that the original artworks might be community created.

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