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How The Playstation 4 Just Might Kill Beyond: Two Souls

GP writer Jared discusses how the PS4's release date might unexpectedly collide with Beyond: Two Soul's, and what it would mean for the much anticipated game.

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Chaostar4007d ago

Nonsense, tens of millions of PS3s won't just disappear when PS4 releases. Yes it might steal some of the media thunder but the game will still sell and keep it's place in the minds of gamers. Just look at GOW 2.

Thatguy-3104006d ago

Exactly I don't understand how people think once new consoles come out every past console will suddenly disappear in thin air. It's not like the whole 75+ mill install base is going to jump to next gen on day one. This game will do fine.

blitz06234006d ago (Edited 4006d ago )

People who can afford and are willing to buy the PS4 at launch will have no problems buying a $60 AAA game at the same time.

abzdine4006d ago (Edited 4006d ago )

yes it's not about who will kill the other especially coming from one company but the most important is that there are games for all tastes. That's a Sony thing they never forget their loyal fans!

And something people dont seem to understand it's that all PS3 games can be streamed via Gaikai on PS4 so where's the problem even for those who never owned a PS3 and are buying PS4.

thechosenone4006d ago

Oh, the humanity. Will no-one think of the children?!

The transition from the PS3 to 4 will take some time so in that time current gen games will continue to sell and sell well. And Sony has already stated that the PS3 will continue to be supported/sold well after the launch of the PS4. It'll take the place of the original PS2 which until recently got discontinued and had a lifespan of over 12 years.

MysticStrummer4006d ago

Yeah all 70 million + PS3 owners will upgrade to PS4 on launch day.

Riiight.

Your GoW2 example is perfect.

kneon4006d ago

Even if the PS4 were wildly successful they wouldn't likely sell more than 5 million this year. I guess the author thinks those other 70+ million PS3s owners will suddenly just stop buying and playing games until they buy a PS4.

Jek_Porkins4006d ago (Edited 4006d ago )

I agree that all of the PS3's don't disappear, but you will have a lot of the hardcore fans who would normally buy the game, possibly skip it in order to save for the new console.

It has happened in the past, look at Super Metroid, which was one of the best games of all time, but it came out after the PlayStation and N64 were announced and sold next to nothing.

Not saying that will happen, but this game is a bit of a niche title in my opinion, the PS4 could cut into some of the sales, and I'd point out that the PS2 had well over 100+ million units sold when God Of War 2 came out, and God Of War 1 sold nearly 5 million, Heavy Rain sold less than half of that, and there were a lot more PS2's in the wild when compared to the PS3, and lastly, the PS3 was backwards compatible at that time, and there was a serious lack of games at that point for the console.

I'm saying there is a lot of variables to consider, but it is possible it could affect sales somewhat. To dismiss the possibility would be foolish.

yesmynameissumo4006d ago

Yeah, 20 years ago Super Metroid didn't do so hot during the N64 and PS announcements. But the industry, business models, philosophies and technologies have have changed so drastically, it's kinda silly to use that to try and make your point imo. Heavy Rain was a niche title and sold 2 million copies.

Far too often, people look at the previous gen, as if it is some step-by-step booklet. People that want Beyond are going to get Beyond. People that want a PS4 are going to get a PS4. The two have no relation other than both are going to make money for Sony.

Hicken4006d ago

"Somewhat" could mean a difference of five copies.

Seriously, though. The people interested in this game are going to get it. If they decide to get a PS4 first, then they'll do so, but it's not as if they'll skip out on Beyond, entirely, so they can buy their next generation console.

And that's the thing: there may be SOME impact, but it'll be negligible. It's certainly not going to be a large enough factor to "kill" the game.

No one is expecting Beyond to do 10 million. But it'll do quite well. Heavy Rain, by the way, sold just about half of what GOW sold(VGchartz has it sitting at 2.43 million, which is likely lower than the actual total), which is by no means bad, especially given they'd expected far less than that.

In any case, you're right: there ARE a lot of variables. But none of them are significant enough to cause considerable damage to the selling power of Beyond: Two Souls. To imply otherwise is rather foolish.

Aceman184005d ago

i'll be buying a PS4 and Beyond Two Souls easily, besides you can't compare a hack and slash to a niche title that did pretty well.

ReubenPatrick4006d ago

I agree. Every transition to a new generation has always been a slow and sometimes excruciating process. PS3 games will still sell. PS4 games would still sell.
Persona 4 would be a good example :D

hulk_bash19874006d ago

Haha this argument is moot, when the PS3 first came out I know for a fact people were still buying up PS2s. Especially considering the significant drop in price for the console. I for one, am still anxiously awaiting it's release in October.

Mounce4005d ago

Shhh, the PS3 userbase will just disappear and never buy PS3 games ever again. All PS3 consumers will stop playing PS3 games and ALL get a PS4 and then refuse to buy PS3 games because they'd have ALL sold their PS3 to help buy a PS4

Totally the truth... . . ..

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Jaqen_Hghar4006d ago

A man will pre-order as soon as he gets to his university apartment in August. Steel book for the normal $60? Yes please

I_LOVE_MYSELF4006d ago

This game has the luxury of being one of those titles that will be purchased regardless because the fanbase is so loyal to these sort of creative titles. I am considering putting off purchasing a PS4 to enjoy the last games of this generation before I hop in to next gen. Dark Souls 2 is the must have for me.

e-p-ayeaH4006d ago

exacly some people are so obessed with graphics they forget whats really important.

Shadow Man4006d ago

if just ps4 would of been backwards compatible, i would get a ps4 day one.

jay24006d ago

It'll sell whatever happens!

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Detroit: Become Human & Beyond: Two Souls are available on Steam without Denuvo

DSOGaming writes: "Quantic Dream has just released Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls on the PC, and has removed Denuvo from them."

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Quantic Dream Announces Detroit: Become Human, Beyond: Two Souls, & Heavy Rain for Steam

Quantic Dream revealed the upcoming Steam Release of its games Detroit: Become Human, Beyond: Two Souls, and Heavy Rain coming "soon."

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Obscure_Observer1428d ago

Sony is expanding their PC approach beyond (no pun intended) Epic Store realm.

Steam official pages:

Heavy Rain
https://store.steampowered....

Beyond: Two Souls
https://store.steampowered....

Detroit: Become Human
https://store.steampowered....

Abriael1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

Quantic Dream is self-publishing and doing this entirely independently from Sony. Sony is not involved at all.

Sciurus_vulgaris1428d ago

Detroit: Become Human and Beyond: Two Souls are owned by Sony. Therefore,Quantic Dream needs Sony's permission to release the titles on steam and PC.

https://trademarks.justia.c...
https://trademarks.justia.c...

Abriael1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

@Sciurus_vulgaris: neither is owned by Sony. Registering a trademark (trademarks are related only to titles and have nothing to do with game or IP ownership) is completely unrelated from owning the rights of a game.

Sony had the publishing license on the games as a second party for a period. That license has expired, so now Quantic Dream is free to do whatever they want with them, and they are.

Incidentally, they have announced a few months ago that now they're taking the independent route, so expect their games on all platforms from now on.

hulk_bash19871428d ago

A trademark is a way a company or individual exercises legal ownership of an intellectual property. And as of right now Sony does still own the trademarks for those two QD developed games.

https://breakinggames.com/p...

Abriael1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

@hulk_bash1987 "Breaking Games" isn't trademark law. That's a massive oversimplification of trademark law. Trademarks do not in any shape or form give you ownership on an IP. It gives you ownership of a name. period.

Since trademarks are completely separate by publishing contracts, Sony's publishing contract on a game can have expired (and it has, the publisher of the games on PC is Quantic Dream itself) but the trademark still not have expired.

Quantic Dream has full ownership of the IPs. In fact, you won't see Sony named absolutely anywhere in any listing for PC. If Sony was involved, you'd see them listed right there.

Imalwaysright1428d ago

hulk_bash1987

The intellectual property being the title of the game. Trademarks only protect names or logos. The game itself and everything in it: code, story, characters, art, etc are protected by copyrights.

hulk_bash19871428d ago

Sony does own the trademarks and therefore have ownership over some portion of the ip. So they wouldve had to agree or had some type of legal or mutual agreement in place for QD to release them on platforms outside of Playstation.

Abriael1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

@hulk_bash1987: Sony's influence on the title is determined exclusively by their publishing contract. That's all the legal agreement you need.

If the trademark had any value over this, you'd see trademark notices and Sony plastered all over the listings.

Bottomline, this has literally nothing to do with Sony's approach related to PC gaming as Obscure_Observer tried to imply.

hulk_bash19871428d ago

Regardless of the ownership debate. Sony has been more liberal with their exclusives recently. QDs games, Death Stranding and most importantly HZD.

Abriael1428d ago

Horizon Zero Dawn is likely an experiment done because Kojima Productions optimized the engine at basically no additional cost for Sony.

The release on PC of Death Stranding was likely a condition from Kojima himself since the beginning. This has nothing to do with Sony.

hulk_bash19871428d ago

Horizon is definetly and experiement. Its Sony testing the water, to see how big of an audience their games might have on PC. It was pretty much out right stated that they want to get their games out to as many people as possible. Which will potentially open people up to buying PS hardware.

ZwVw1428d ago

Bro, you're getting licencing and copyright confused. Beyond and Detroit are both Sony properties, who Sony is granting licensing permission for QT to publish on PC. This is nothing new. Companies like MS, Square and Sega do this all the time.

Besides, is you visit Detroit's Steam page, you can clearly see the Sony copyright at the bottom of the page. https://store.steampowered....

Obscure_Observer1428d ago

"Quantic Dream is self-publishing and doing this entirely independently from Sony. Sony is not involved at all."

The only reason those games are available on PC, is because Sony gave Quantic Dream a permission. If you think Sony paid those third party studios millions to develop a game so they can claim "independence" and do whatever they want with said games, you´re seriously mistaken.

Persian_Immortal1428d ago

According to the United States Copyright Office https://cocatalog.loc.gov/c...

Sony owns the Copyrights for Detroit Become Human and Beyond Two Souls and Death Stranding.

RosweeSon1428d ago

Even if they were 2 of those games were last gen who cares it’s a bit different if they are your only good games to talk about and releasing simultaneously these games are 5-10 years old came out of ps3 originally except Detroit. Like horizon it was a great game do I care it’s gone to PC also not at all I’d already and finished it over a year previously 🤷🏻‍♂️🤓 😜✌🏻

neutralgamer19921428d ago

Abriael

sony is notorious for wanting IP's. Insomniac pitched sunset overdrive to sony but went with ms because they were going to let insomniac keep the IP. I think sony is allowing this because it's towards the end of gen and these games will generate extra resources. Sony allowed it on epic first because they have a great relationship lately eith epic and now even if QD are self publishing they would have spoken to sony about it

you are making it sound like just because they are self publishing they don't have to ask sony. The company that owns the IP's has a lot of say

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

BTW i am not saying other games from sony will come to PC just that they do own the IP's

TricksterArrow1427d ago

Hmm... You can literally see this in their steam page:

DETROIT: BECOME HUMAN: ©2018 Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe ltd. Developed by Quantic Dream. “Detroit: Become Human” is a trademark of Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe. All rights reserved.

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blackblades1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

The dev always said he wanted them on pc. Lol putting Sony in it to make it look like Sony putting more of there games on pc.

ajax171428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

I'll agree once I see God of War and Spider-man on steam

Bronxs151428d ago

What about horizons zero dawn??

DerfDerf1428d ago

@Bronxs15 that was before the goal posts were moved

neutralgamer19921428d ago

shloobian

there is no goal post if yo are comparing MS releasing all their exclusives on pc day one to sony releasing HZD(3 years after release on pc) than maybe you should look up those said goal posts. Most likely case with HZD is the fact kojima optimized the game engine for PC so sony/GG didn't have any extra cost to make it work on pc

hulk_bash19871428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

Interested to see what other Sony IPs will see a release on PC

Father__Merrin1428d ago

QD are now independant in fact they always was but used sonys platforms to sell thier games.its thier ip they can do what ever they want with them

gravedigger1428d ago

Quantic Dream are no longer works for Sony. Contract ended

S2Killinit1428d ago

If this makes Obscure happy, then does that mean he is secretly sad that ALL of xbox’s games are available on PC? Hmm

Obscure_Observer1427d ago

@S2Killinit

"If this makes Obscure happy, then does that mean he is secretly sad that ALL of xbox’s games are available on PC? Hmm"

Sad? Lol.

Xbox games on PC means more money to fund new first party studios, games and new IP´s for us, Xbox console gamers.

Sony is not stupid, they´re paying attention to every move competition makes. They will allow day one exclusives on PC? Unlikely. However, you´ll see more and more Playstation games making their way to PC. Then, will see more and more PS fanboys telling how Sony is making money out of the PC gamers to fund new first party studios, games and new IP´s for us, Playstation console gamers.

You heard from me first. Mark my words. ;)

S2Killinit1427d ago (Edited 1427d ago )

Not much of a prediction though is it? The issue is that xbox is already moving toward obsoletion of consoles because MS has realized that they cant dominate the console market, so they want to scorch earth the console habitat by making it irrelevant (or at least a less important factor). As a console gamer I will support consoles and console makers that resist these types of maneuvers. I say screw Microsoft.

itsmebryan1427d ago

Can someone explain why MS console exclusives on PC are bad, but, when Sony copies the same thing it's somehow "different" or "Okay"?

I need to understand fanboy logic.

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WeAreLegion1428d ago

Sony would be crazy not to attempt to acquire them at some point.

Veneno1428d ago

Nah. QD is too all over the place. Not consistent in terms of quality.

Tacoboto1428d ago

Detroit was mechanically great, regardless of opinion on story. With Sony support officially behind them, they'd have those resources to improve their management

Flewid6381428d ago

I have yet to play a QD game I didn't like

AspiringProGenji1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

Didn’t they get owned already by some publisher?

Obscure_Observer1428d ago

No. And they will remain independent for the foreseeable future.

Abriael1428d ago (Edited 1428d ago )

Sony may want whatever they want. Quantic Dream wants to be independent and they're swimming in money (they recently expanded considerably) so they have no reason to sell.

WeAreLegion1428d ago

Insomniac wanted to be independent for decades. But things change. Nice to see you again, Abriael.

TeamIcoFan1428d ago

And I will be rebuying all three on steam!

AmazingGeneration1428d ago

When the crazy Xbox fans completely falsify facts to meet their agenda it really just makes you question how desperate these people are and how brainwashed they’ve become.

I blame Sony, you can only take a beating for so long and Sony been laying the fist into them for three generations now.

Tacoboto1428d ago

What the... The only mention of anything Xbox here is coming from you...

TeamIcoFan1428d ago

Alright sonny, put down the crack pipe and try to come back to reality, m'kay?

Neonridr1428d ago

sorry who's the one who's brainwashed here. Stop drinking the koolaid, what in dear god are you going on about here. Nothing you said relates to this article in any way. The fact that you got 4 agrees makes me wonder about those people too.

InUrFoxHole1428d ago

Lol. This news truly broke this poor soul!

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The Top Five: Women in Games

BY GRANT TAYLOR: If there’s one thing I appreciate in gaming, it’s a strong female character. In recent years, we’ve seen countless women in games, ranging from fierce warriors to masters of the supernatural. These days, if a game doesn’t have a female lead, you at least have the choice to select one.

I’ve played so many games with brilliant female protagonists in the last decade. It was honestly difficult getting this list down to just five!

So, which of these characters rank the highest?

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