PS4 is like 'a really perfect gaming PC,' says Epic VP

An Epic Games exec has compared the PlayStation 4 to "a really perfect gaming PC," citing the console's combination of "phenomenal" hardware and convenient user experience.

[Nitrowolf2]

He know's PC's can have much better hardware. This is more addressing the fact that unlike PC's, which most are tied to the Window's OS eating RAM, the PS4 is built for Gaming and to be utilized for gaming.

"He also pointed to the memory limitations of the 32-bit versions of Windows as an example of how PS4 titles could even surpass what "most PCs" can do."

Keyword is most. With the PS4 (and probably the Xbox 720 unless it's Window OS running) devs are working on a PC minus the Window's OS.
At least thats what I'm getting from this article.

Either way, when these consoles release it should be good for everyone. I'm holding off on even buying any PC hardware upgrade (only need my GFX Card), due to the reason that they may release better equipment at a cheaper price to compete.

[kevnb]

wow, thats actually intelligent. Im doing the same thing. Im sticking with pc but wont upgrade until the ps4 goes past the early adopter stage. A huge part of the gaming market is multiplatform, and I dont want to be under powered.
but of course some of the stuff said is complete bs, less and less pcs are running 32 bit and even less gaming pcs are. If you buy a pc today it wont be 32 bit. And windows isnt even that heavy other than using nearly 2 gigs of ram.

[b_one]

but it will be backward compatible... aall windowses are.

[darthv72]

as far as comparing 8 to 7, 8 runs better and uses less resources than 7 did. When you look at the 360, you can see the refinement they made in that OS and translated well onto the PC with windows 8.

My netbook has 2gb of ram and runs way better on 8 than it did when it shipped with XP. And i never thought there would be any windows better than XP. It had a nice balance of performance to resource ratio.

windows 8 breathed new life into an old machine and made it possible to enjoy using it again. i can only imagine how well it makes newer PC's run on much better hardware. As a comparison, my work PC has 4gb of ram and runs windows 7 and just doesnt feel as zippy as that little netbook. Even when doing similar tasks like office or surfing the web/youtube.

Just to point out, this is my own personal experience and not representative of others in general.

[vet_medic]

but PC gamers think you can draw conclusions just by direct hardware comparisions

[reynod]

I cant believe people actually think Windows is some huge hog. Windows barely needs 1.5gigs of RAM, Windows 8 even less so.

Most PC these days easily come with more than 8 Gigs of RAM. Hence Windows pulling 1.5Gigs of RAM hardly matters.

People need to look past that. Windows gives you advantages too. People gaming on PCs have access to a library of games from 25 years back. Its all possible because of a solid platform Windows has become.

Its amusing when people cheer consoles and their optimization yet forget every gen they are left with a lack of BC.

The next thing they tend to boast about is console optimization, yes its there but it wont magically make the hardware over come limitations. As an example even today PS3 & Xbox 360 both get out performed by a Dual core PC equipped with a 8800GTX. So where did the console optimization go? The same 8800GTX today gets outperformed by 100USD GPUs.

The same fate lies for the next consoles. Lack of BC and will be getting outperformed far quicker by Low mid range PCs far quicker than the last consoles.

[kneon]

Windows, like most general purpose OS's is a resource hog. Only focusing on ram usage is overlooking the many layers of inefficiency built in to such an OS in order to deal with all the various flavors of hardware it might be running on.

Each level of abstraction adds more overhead. Plus there are all the services that serve no purpose if it were purely used for gaming.

A purpose built OS running on purpose built hardware can greatly outperform a general purpose OS running on the same hardware.

For the disagrees just take a look at the minimum hardware requirements for windows NT vs Windows 7. Back then I was running a 66Mhz Pentium with 32MB of RAM, I think 16 was the minimum and you needed about 100MB of disk space.

Today you need a 1Ghz processor with 1GB of RAM and 16GB of disk space.

So RAM has gone up by a factor of 62.5, CPU speed by a factor of 15 (actually it's much higher than that since modern CPUs do far more per cycle) and disk space by a factor of 160.

[T900]

@knean

If Windows is so bad then why is it 8800GTX with a dual core is still beating current consoles? PC optimization is no where near as bad as console makers want people to believe. Sorry but these are just sad attempts by console makers to make the PC look bad so they can sell their consoles, while charging a premium on every game sold.

People blame Windows for taking up RAM, wait till the PS4 releases, in all likely hood 1-2 GB of RAM will be reserved for the OS. So will PS4 OS be called a resource HOG too? Def not as a machine becomes more multi purpose it certainly needs an OS. It just so happens the PC is far ahead of the consoles and next gen consoles will most likely be featuring OSes of their own.

[kneon]

@T900

I didn't say PC's weren't ahead of consoles, only that because of the diverse hardware and the software abstractions needed to support such hardware that PC's are not nearly as efficient as they could be.

In my career I've written a couple of RTOS from scratch as well as porting others and kernel work on desktop and server OSs.

A simple 32bit RTOS with full multi-tasking, threads, paged memory, networking etc. can run in Kb's of memory on a 32bit arm running at a few 10's of Mhz. Running a simple OS such as that on something of the caliber of a modern PC would just scream and would provide all the services necessary for gaming.

Once you start to generalize the inefficiency is inevitable, add in the legacy code needed for backwards compatibility and the overhead becomes quite significant.

Microsoft could use Windows on the next Xbox by stripping out all the extra crap that is unnecessary on a fixed hardware spec and I'm sure it would outperform stock windows by quite a margin.

[T900]

@knean

Again the inefficiency isnt ground breaking. Yes its there, and consoles are more efficient no one is doubting that. However the differences arent ground breaking.

If consoles were so efficient there would be no reason why the PS3 wouldnt outperform a 8800GTX. 8800GTX is about 2x as powerful and the result is pretty simular too. PS3 runs most of its games in 720p or below while 8800GTX runs most games in 1080p. So where is the console optimization?

Now yes all of us can start nit picking over the Windows OS. However with the amount of resources available today we honestly should be looking at the benefits of backward compatibility too. I personally own over 200 games on Steam alone.

Imagine if i had bought those games for a console. It would have ended up costing me upward of 7000usd, when next gen arrives i would have had to keep the old console too, just to play my old library. Hence personally i think its a good thing Windows offers such BC, in exchange for the resources it takes up i think its a bargain specially when resources are abundant who cares?

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Kevnb-Wise choice. No reason to buy a PS4 if your just buying muiltiplats and you have a beast PC already. I would just wait too.

@Reynod- He is trying to say in order to have a PC beat a PS4 or 720 you need MORE then 8gigs of ram, you need MORE then 1.85 TFLOPS etc. Why? Because PC isn't as optimized. ON top of this.....what PC game is even fully supporting all that tech anyways? PS4 will use that tech before a damn PC game does day 1!

I'm not sure you can even name me a successful PC game this year or last year that required and used that much power.

I game on PC and consoles and the one thing consoles have over PC is opitmziation. Period. To even have a beast PC, you need to have developers ac actually supporting it. Don't run to me telling me you maxed out Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect etc.....if you did your a idiot for buying a souped up PC for just a bit of high res.

I bought my PC for games like Diablo 3 (funny enough its coming to PS3 and PS4) Battlefield 3, Skyrim mods, Guild Wars 2, Planetside 2 etc.

But don't sit there making it sound like one can game on PC and just not have consoles as if PC is truly THAT good. I love PC gaming, but I just can't not own a console.

80% of PC games are just 3rd party ports to begin with. Still building a beast PC next year, but I'm building it for the right reasons.

[fr0sty]

Most of these gaming rigs also do not have the CPU and GPU on the same die (much faster connectivity between the two), 8GB's of GDDR5 to play with, etc... They are general purpose office machines that have had high performance parts grafted onto them in order to enable them to play videogames... while still having to maintain general purpose functionality. A console is tuned specifically for gaming at the hardware level, and as such will always outperform a PC with the same specs.

[nukeitall]

@kneon:

"Windows, like most general purpose OS's is a resource hog."

What you are forgetting now, is that the PS4 OS is likely to be a similar "general" purpose OS. Maybe it doesn't have as many features, but it certainly will have to do a lot of the same things.

The PS4 and likely the next Xbox will also have a slightly bloated OS.

Furthermore, Windows once it is loaded and running, it's background tasks takes pretty minimal resources. The RAM requirement isn't that huge of a deal either, because most PCs today have far more RAM than they need, that is system RAM, not even video RAM.

Windows 8 on top of this is designed with low powered devices in mind, so it uses even less resources and that is why it loads so fast.

Point being, today's hardware far exceed what Windows need and minimally impact gaming performance.

The real problem of PC is that consumers installs a crap load of extra services in the background that they don't turn off. The other problem is optimization due to too many different configurations, but even on consoles you aren't likely to even get double the performance that a PC can dish out by brute force.

From what I can tell, this is the biggest gap between a launch consoles and PC performance. I suspect that is due to the PC having virtually no resolution cap whereas consoles have 1080p and a relatively low price attached.

Even then at 8GBs of GDDR5 the PS4 is going to be costly.

[ProjectVulcan]

It varies game to game how well optimised they are but PC game optimisation has gotten better and better and will only keep getting better with better OS refinement, Direct3D advances and the fact the consoles are now x86 machines.

Certainly you do not need a massively more powerful PC to beat a console.

It isn't like you need 5 times the power of a console to actually best it.

You'll start to easily the the difference when a PC is twice as fast.

To be honest, that isn't difficult. We already have cards that are more than twice as fast as what is inside PS4- that wasn't the case when 360 launched it took time for PC to reach that point.

So PC is in a great position.

In fact I saw that an 8800GTX can manage bioshock infinite playable on 'medium' @ 1080p.

According to the devs 'medium' PC settings are a bit better than console settings and 1920 x 1080 is way more than double the resolution the consoles run that game (PS3 renders the game at a mere 1152 x 640)

Soooo......... Yeah.

Lets not claim PC optimisation is that bad and that crippling when 6 year old PC hardware still comfortably trounces console hardware without being like 10x faster.

[kneon]

@nukeitall

Certainly the next gen console OSes will need to do more than they have in the past. But they won't have anywhere near the multitude of layers of software found in something like Windows.

Try going through Windows stack trace and you may be shocked at how many layers of APIs you go through for even seemingly simple tasks.

[Shadowstar]

"Windows barely needs 1.5gigs of RAM, Windows 8 even less so."

Barely? Barely?

Holy shit, I feel old when people say that. Remember when desktops measured RAM in KB and we felt lucky to have that much?

[RumbleFish]

I'd say the exact same thing if I was Epic VP.

[Kurylo3d]

Im not understanding where people say windows uses 1.5 gb of ram comes from. Vista which was the worst OS used 1.2, windows 7 uses like 800 mb and xp used like 300 or 400 lol.

consoles may be using less software in the background and have hardware on the same die and all. But lets not forget the cpu is designed with low power in mind arm if im not mistaken. Least that's what I heard. That's basically what your smart phone and tablets use. Just with more cores. PCS still have power house processors. And lets not even talk about the gpu. The gpu that's coming with these consoels is like a big joke. Thankfully console gamers aren't picky and take what they can get. Microsoft and Sony get this therefore they will give them the cheap dirt stuff. Most pc gaming rigs are way more powerful and only cost $400. lol If you don't believe me I can link you to the parts.. its not difficult to build one. yes for $400 you can get a pc that's twice as good as next generation consoles that haven't even been released yet.

But you go on ahead and defend the corporations that are playing you for a fool and laughing all the way to the bank. Enjoy!

[nveenio]

It isn't just what Windows uses that causes problems, it's that it's so easily cluttered. But it doesn't matter. The PS4 will be an upgrade from my PC (which is an AMD 1090t, GTX 460, and 8GB RAM). So I'll be buying a PS4 instead of upgrading and will only upgrade my PC when the need is obvious again.

[Ju]

There are just some things a windows (or any other general purpose) OS will never be able to do. For example, if I have a 16GB machine and an APU (Trinity) installed, wtf do I need to set the shared mem size for the GPU and why can't I go beyond 2GB and why does it take this memory away from the OS.

It's not so much the HW, but there is so much legacy code in the OS (still) that for a console this either needs to be adapted (and I am sure even MS will customize windows for the 720 to allow this) or you need your own OS.

With these new chips with an intelligent OS you would have one kernel which handles that huge block of memory and you could just allocate it with whatever you want handing it over back and forth between CPU and GPU. This needs a massive change in the OS and it requires HW which can actually share memory pointers between the two (coherent memory model).

These are just legacy restrictions which a PC will carry over with each generation. It is almost impossible to overcome those just to be compatible with a wide range of HW...things which a console does not need to do.

- a shared memory model is required to not copy e.g. vertex data between CPU and GPU which happens quite frequently, still - even though you'd push more code to shaders these days.

[T900]

@Ju

Why would you want to go beyond 2GB on a APU like the trinity? Its not like trinity is any good at games and even then a game requiring that much Memory just wont run on the APU to begin with, unless you want to be seeing a slide show.

For dedicated GPUs they already come with super fast GDDR5 Memory.

So your arguement doesnt make any sense. As usual you are just making attempts to nitpick over non issues.

Again if Windows is so bad as an OS why doesnt PS3 or Xbox 360 beat the 8800GTX? its just twice as powerful as those machines. As per you if Windows is so bad and unoptimized why doesnt it get beated then? Yet every 8800GTX running on a windows OS even today runs most games in 1080p, yet both the current consoles run 720p or below.

Again i would tell you to look beyond the nit picking and see the huge backward compatibility advantage Windows offers. Tell me are you going to have PS2, PS3, PS4 all hooked up at the same time just to play your games library? I know i will be having just 1 PC playing the hundereds of games i bought over the years. No need to maintain old hardware to play everything i bought. Hence while there are certain disadvantages, i would think the advantages far out way them.

[Ju]

That's not the point. The point is, that a PC is holding back SW architecture because of its legacy constraints - especially in dedicated use cases which is e.g. gaming. As such a general purpose machine will never be able to allow developers to go the "optimal" route. Trinity is gen 2, Kaveri is gen 3, and the 2014 road map will have a complete heterogen memory sub system. And, why wouldn't I wan't more than 2GB? Why is it the OS's job to limit my creative engineering approach? Obviously you guys boast to have more than 2GB which in return means, textures must be cached in DDR and swapped out frequently - even on a system like Trinity. This is totally useless overhead since you never need to go across a bus unless the OS forces you to. BTW: One could simply optimize games for APUs which you would probably be surprise what you could squeeze out of that cheap configuration. But I guess it kinda counters even inhouse AMD products like a 7990...

Same will happen with PC ports to PS4 if devs don't take advantage of "don't move the damn memory" rule which still applies to the PC. Guess why they stick GB's or RAM to gfx boards these days, huh? So your data must never leave VRAM. Obviously.

Not sure why I still bother talking here...I guess that's so over your heads anyway...good bye

[ProjectVulcan]

@ Ju

Hybrid memory cube.

320GB/s.

Whats the point in moaning when in about 2-3 years you'll be able to have system memory on PC knocking out over 300GB/s compared to about 25 now. You could dump whatever APU you want on a die and have loads of bandwidth to share in a unified pool should you so desire.

Chip stacking is the real computing technology revolution and consoles will just miss it and PC will reap ridiculously massive benefits from it inside the next few years.

[Flavor]

Amazing how people are still thinking in terms of 'power' when the most popular games today are simple, small footprint titles like subway surfers and league of legends.

Hell bioshock infinite runs on outdated tech and its still a fun game. The more visually complex and 'powerful' a game becomes, the more expensive it is to produce, and the less development risks can be taken.

This obsession with 'power' is a pubescent male fetish and a self defeating loop.

[telekineticmantis]

of casual games, like Subway Surfer. Though I do agree, some of the smaller indie type titles get more creative. I think believable expansive worlds and detail, and the hardware capable of bringing in new gameplay design possibilities is what true evolution in gaming is all about.

I look at the recent the recent trailer for "The Last of Us" and when I see the look on the 2 kids in the beginning, and I feel the emotion.

[Godz Kastro]

You know I disagree. I am a graphics whore so presentations means a lot to me. It puts me into the experience. A game can be graphically impressive and fun. There is room for all types of experiences. God forbid the industry turned into all casual mobile games and vice versa.

[Bobby Kotex]

You're not a wii gamer are you? Hehehe.

[Abriael]

Popularity and Quality are two very separate concepts.

[-Gespenst-]

"This obsession with 'power' is a pubescent male fetish and a self defeating loop."

^^^You're bang on about that. People need to care more about the creativity and imagination of the content over how well they can push it's pixels. It's a completely vacuous and meaningless diversion.

I mean, honestly, I don't like LoL and I don't like casual games, but nevertheless there are lots of really incredible games that have been achieved without ridiculous tech. The SNES Final Fantasies and Chrono Trigger are still some of the greatest games I've ever played by a long shot. The visuals, the music, the narrative- they're all fantastically designed and I'll never forget them.

The tech has outrun the creativity- we need to forget about the tech and just work with what we've got to produce memorable and enduring games. I can only name about 10 games I've actually cared about this gen. We have more than enough power to make awesome stuff. In fact I think the tech is holding back games from being taken seriously. Instead of making profound and intelligent games, devs are fixated on making empty blockbuster film-esque graphics showcases. And people just lap it up and demand more of the same. They don't even realise what they're missing.

To be honest, one of the reasons I'm sort of looking forward to the Ps4 IS it's understated specs. They're obviously dwarfed by high-end PCs but who cares? Maybe we'll start seeing some more interesting games at last.

[nthstew]

comparing a $500 console with $500 GPU's is nuts. they are telling this now for marketing of consoles eventually when future games comes out when the most pc yes most pc's have better graphics and better details then they will again say just deal with it "its a pc after all"
If they don't support make games with better graphics for pc then they will just piss off the gpu manufactures and the pc community. and I personally think they are not that foolish.

[decrypt]

"comparing a $500 console with $500 GPU's is nuts"

Its funny that people tend to compare next consoles to 500usd GPUs. Yet forget The comparison isnt even valid.

They should instead be making a comparison with something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

HD 7850, 175usd, comes with Bioshock and Tombraider free. Thats more of a fair comparison. Even then by the time PS4 is out there will be better and cheaper GPUs out that will likely outperform the PS4.

[joab777]

But it isn't as good as the titan...the best card out...lol...jk...developers are happy to finally hav a decent static system modeled after a pc. I still don't understand all the arguments. Everyone should b happy. Console gamers get a better console thatsveasier to build for. Its potential is unknown. And PC gamers can still use the PC. Except now because consoles drive software, PC gamers get better games too.

[leogets]

I agree,they are just gutted that they spent suchensuch on their cards etc and boasting its a beast but now ps4 is showing to be just as power full for a measly 300 quid.. fuck,I'd be pissed to if I was a PC bod lol

[extermin8or]

the main issue here, is everytime a developer says they are glad for the pc like architecture because... or anything that relates to the new consoles to PC; some twat has to post about how "their pc is better because blah blah blah- and why everyone should have the setup they have or a pc setup in general because of how 'superior' it is" well at this stage i wish they would just stfu. 1) Whats the point of a mega expensive setup that costs developers more money to take advantage of and to do so end up compromising gameplay? 2) Not everyone can afford to pay that sort of money for a PC; with the risk of virus's and the other increased costs of a PC in general-plus the very real possibility you may have to upgrade withint a year or two to stay at the top of the game. 3) If you honestly think a gpu under $450/$500 is going to outperform the ps4- priced about this price on it's own then you clearly understand nothing about different processor-gpu setups, bandwidth in ram and all the other factors that will effect how the device performs. Numbers on paper mean fuck all. 4) I'm not willing to spend a few hundred pounds to potentially just see some facial hair and cracks in the ground etc look a tiny bit better...

[jcnba28]

After the whole Wii U fiasco I now take everything Mark Rein says with a pinch of salt.

[Grap]

PC have to kinda of rams. ddr3 and GDDR5 windows don't use GDDR5. i don't know why u got tons of agrees but i have should know better that i am in N4G.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

"........."

[adorie]

It's not just the OS, it's the directX API, too.

Cut out the middlemen.

[Nilemonitors13]

The Ps4 will be an awesome console, I know of 10 360 owners that are going for Ps4, plus all the ps3 owners are just upgrading, Im going to get 2 Ps4's, one for my room the other for the living room, I have to let people know a sad truth, the only reason the 360 sold evenly with the ps3 here in mexico is that the 360 was easier to hack and get pirated content for it. I know how it sounds but Mexico is a third world country, people need the cheapest option.

[TheXonySbox]

64 bit is standard today, not 32.
PC's can have 32 gb ram for cheap.

Point is PS4 is a gimmped PC either way you look at it.
GPU wise and CPU wise.

[brave27heart]

You're absolutely right. And I absolutely do not care. I'll be sticking with consoles next gen thanks.

Im glad you're happy with your PC. Im happy with my console. In a perfect world we'd both be content with our choices and that would be that. Except in the gaming world thats not enough is it? Its not enough to be self content, we have to push our views onto others too. To somehow convince others that our choice is the superior one to justify our decision. Well allow me to break this cycle...

Im happy with my console. Im glad you're happy with your PC.

The End

[MysticStrummer]

"PC's can have 32 gb ram for cheap."

Great. It won't be used, but at least PC gamers can get online and bitch about it not being used. That makes it worth it, I'm sure.

[solar]

the perfect PC that wont do 1080p at 60fps. cant wait!!

[Gamer1982]

The thing is EPIC support MS over Sony so to come out and say this just amazes me. They could have made the Gears series multiplatform after 2 but they seem more interested in there partnership with MS and making money from there engine. So speaking highly of Sonys consoles this time around won't make MS too well. Saying that EPIC supported PS3 really well early on as it added mos support for UT on ps3 only the only ps3 game with mods proving ps3 can do it.

[Scroticus]

GDDR6 drops next year according to an article posted like a month ago on here. Haven't validated it, but it was enough for me to hold off on doing a 670 SLI to see what happens.

[ATi_Elite]

1. PS4 can't run Arma 3 on Ultra......END OF STORY!

2. "This really opens up beyond what most PCs can do, because most PCs are running a 32-bit version of Windows"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS IS NOT TRUE!^^^^^^^^^^^

Steam hardware Survey shows 73.6% of it's users are using a 64bit OS with Win7 64bit being the most popular at 55.11% FACT!

http://store.steampowered.c...

3. If the PS4 can't do 1080p at 60fps across 3 screens then it's NOT PERFECT!

I'm addicted to Peripheral view in my PC Games and so far I haven't heard if the PS4 will support this wonderful feature.

4. The PC is PERFECT cause you can tailor make it to YOUR GAMING NEEDS.

the PS4 is one size fits all.

the PS4 will be great but I'm sorry my current PC still does more than what a PS4 will do.

Intel Sandy Bridge FTW!!!

[first1NFANTRY]

I foresee an incredible amount of dev support. Hopefully next gen brings an over saturated amount of different genres. Preferably JRPG's like the ps1 era.

[_QQ_]

I hope naughty dog ditches the shooter genre for a while and makes JAK 4 or some other action game.also so far it looks like the wiiu is getting the best JRPG's with monliths X and Xseeds new game.

[Minato-Namikaze]

Last of us......

[culpepper516]

The Jak and Daxter series entered the shooter genre after the first game?

[sandman224]

That has to be good coming from epic. Now all they need to do is make gears of war for ps4 and there wont be a need for xbox.

[kevnb]

ya it almost feels like some major developers are getting sick of microsoft. I really hope sony crushes them because microsoft are really messing things up.

[Jek_Porkins]

I was just curious as to what you were talking about? Epic and Microsoft have a great relationship and Microsoft has really good relationships with most third party developers, which is why they've been able to take advantage of timed DLC and things like that.

What have they messed up for you personally? I mean do people not realize how bad things would be if Sony or any single company had zero competition? You'd be stuck paying whatever they want, play whatever they want, and the list goes on and on.

We need all the companies how they are, each one playing off the other and that benefits all gamer's.

Funny too how quickly Sony fans turn into Gears fans, I wouldn't hold my breath on it ever going to a Sony console though, Microsoft has DEEP pockets.

[lastofgen]

Hmm...why would you think major devs are getting tired of microsoft??
Besides, don't you believe in nice, healthy competition as jek_porkins pointed out?

[_QQ_]

Nah xbox can keep gears, i wouldn't say epic is a great studio either, gears is okay and they even admitted that they wanted to make the story similar to band of brothers but they just weren't able to achieve that, so they made a bro shooter instead.

[TrevorPhillips]

Seriously can't wait for the Playstation 4! :D

[pissed999]

Epic betrayed pc gaming. The PS4 will flop outside of Japan.
Pc gaming wins, end of story sucker.

[TrevorPhillips]

right...Even your DP is laughing at you for such comment

[LOL_WUT]

@ Pissed999, dude you ought to have my name!

[cyclindk]

Dare insult my PS4 by comparing it to a PC!

Blasphemy!

Time to choose sides people...

This war.... HAS BEGUN!

DUN DUN... DUN DUN... DUN.

[Summons75]

lol considering it's coming from the same guy who wanted to look cool by insulting the WiiU and claiming that unreal engine 4 won't work on it (which it does), this guy is a complete joke....makes me almost miss Cliffy B, ALMOST but I will never miss that fool.

[landog]

it will be better than "most" pc's

there are over 1 BILLION pc's in use as we speak

but every gaming rig with a gtx 560 or better will destroy the ps4

epics own unreal demo looks far worse on ps4

kids, stop thinking ps4 will be EVEN CLOSE to a high end gaming rig, its a mid-spec build, with an awful cpu

[El_Colombiano]

While the PS3 is no high end PC, it will play games very close to high end PCs. PC uses brute force to outpace consoles, straight up powerful hardware. Consoles rely on devs working with specific hardware to optimize for it. If you were to get the same exact hardware equivalent as the PS3 and tried running a game at the same settings, you would realize the PS3 runs it better.

[_QQ_]

you are missing the point.Also the ps3 is nowhere near a high end pc, ps4 is a couple cuts away but not the ps3.

[landog]

not really dude, the year the ps3 came out, so did the 8800 gtx, it SMASHES the ps3 in every game ever made, its runs games at higher resolutions and way higher framerates with more graphical options

nowadays a $30 gpu destroys the ps3

ps3 graphics may look good to you, because thats all you play, to a pc game they look, and have looked for the last 5 years, totally obsolete and last gen

whan i played uncharted 3, i couldn't believe people thought it looked good, to me it was covered in jaggies, low res textures, looked sub-hd in many areas, bad caracter models

everyone seemed to think it was amazing though, and right there you can tell its someone who only games on consoel

pc is already, today, FAR beyond anything ps4 will ever do

1200p, 1440, 1600p
8x aa, 16x aa, 32x aa, 64x aa, txaa
ssao
hbao
60-120 frames

a game like crysis 2 in 2560x1600 looks better than anything ps4 will ever do

and crysis 3......shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, even in 720p it looks better maxed on pc than any ps4 game will, and when you crank it up to 1200p, its bloody aamzing

ilive below, people bash on the system becasue articles like this.......and people on here get the idea from articles like this that the ps4 will be anywhere near a high end gaming rig....it will NEVER be close to a pc with a gtx670, gtx 680, gtx 690, gtx titan.....never.......

a gtx 670 can be had for $300, it DESTORYS ps4

[TronEOL]

People are disagreeing with you? My GTX 590 (1000$ when I bought it) gives me a TINY performance jump for Bioshock Infinite running at 45-60FPS over the PS3 version. That's only a year and a bit old graphics card. Now take a graphics card from the year PS3 was released and I highly doubt it'll push games like Bioshock Infinite, Battlefield 3 and others as far as the PS3 can. Just like if you bought a high end gaming PC now, you need to upgrade at least every 2-3 years to keep up with the PS4/720.

It has zero to do with raw Hardware strength and 100% to do with developer support. Barely any developers (Valve and such) develop their games for hardware that isn't recent. So you may buy that Titan epic 3000 beefcake edition now, but it'll be a load of wasted money in 2-3 years when PS4/720 is outperforming it for Bioshock 8 or Battlefield 44: Dinosaur edition.

Don't get me wrong, PC hardware is much more powerful than the PS4. But pure meat means absolutely nothing when nobody supports it. Which is where console gaming has the technical advantage. Developers have been saying it for a while. But apparently gamers know more than the guys working the hardware and realizing platform strengths.

[nix]

ugh... again the PC and PS3 fights...

i'm sticking with PS because of exclusive games... and thank god most of them comes with amazing graphics (which may not beat the high end PC graphics).

but i'm happy.

EDIT: @Sevir (below): i couldn't have put it better... had i read your post i would not have wasted my one bubble (bubble me up please, the admin hates me) on this stupid topic of PC Vs Console.

[El_Colombiano]

You first two completely missed the point. I am a PC gamer, I understand how PCs work. I'm telling you, buy a GPU equivalent to that of the RSX inside of the PS3 with a processor equivalent to that of the CELL and the PS3 will run the multiplatform game better than that shitty CPU and GPU you bought. Same idea WILL happen with the PS4.

But from what you responded with already, it's just going to fly over your heads.

[saint_seya]

Everytime i see landog in a ps4 article is just to troll as much as he can..
Poor guy.. guess having a 4k computer doesnt make people better.. you are the living proof of that..
Noone cares if you think that ps3 games look bad, 99% of the people #yeah the real ones not drones# think uncharted its one of the best looking games and also A GREAT GAME. Not like crysis.. The game u needed to call for pc, graphics=check, anything else.... (?)

[_-EDMIX-_]

@El_Colombiano- he is 100% correct. The GPU or CPU of the same specs will run better on consoles because they are made JUST for gaming, where as a GPU and CPU for a PC won't run those specs exactly.

Another thing to note is the optimization done for consoles, ram usage, programs running in the background etc.

If some of you know PC SOOOO Damn well, you should know that compatibility is a big deal with PC games. There are a lot of tweaks that need to be done to get a game to run at a level of a console JUST based on PC compatibilities.

Thus a PC with 8gigs for ddr5 ram, 1.85TFLOPS GPU etc will actually be slower then a PS4 JUST because by default its running LESS ram (Widnows OS and other programs running in the background)

I know this because HELLO! I OWN A GAMING PC! LOL! Getting games to work right and run at a high frame is almost like an art. Go on toms hardware to see JUST how much work gets done to get a game to run right on certain rigs. Because everyones rigs are different the answer is not as simple as some of you might like to think.

But OF COURSE a PC will be stronger then a PS4....but it means JACK when it comes to games. I'm sorry? Can anyone even NAME 1 DAMN PC game needs 8gigs for ram and maxes out 1.85TFLOPS of a GPU that came out this year or last year?

Mind you the whole "1 BILLION pc's" is a joke. Lets look at his silly number shall we.

There are over 60 MILLION GAMING PC's out, of the 60 million...how many run this "GTX 560" or better? How many use 8gigs of ram? I'm sure if developers knew....they would had made some of those next gen launch games on PC already.

Theres a reason why they haven't, its because no one knows. All they know is its less then half that even own such a rig...why? Cause you don't even NEED such a rig to play a game, why would MOST own something that is unessarry to even do the task?

So less then half is about 30 to 20 million.....and PS3 is at 80 million. LOL! High end gaming is like owning a sports car in a city with no roads....i mean its nice to look at, to bad no one else cares to make a road to actually take advantage of it.

I own a HD 5770 in my rig I can max out BF3 easy.....why on earth would I need better? I'll upgrade AFTER PS4 comes out, cause no one is making a PC game worth a damn until AFTER those PS4 and 720 ports start hitting PC and start getting people to start buying parts again.

(Star Citizen people.....Star Citizen)

[BitbyDeath]

Titan is 3x more powerful than the PS4.
No game has been made for just a Titan though.
PC's have power but no dev is crazy enough to limit themselves to the handful of people who own it.

[tommygunzII]

NBA 2k12 looks almost as good on PS3 as it does with max settings on PC, except for the resolution obviously. I was impressed when I played it at a buddies house on his PS3.

[ILive]

You know that the engine wasn't optimized for the ps4, right? Epic said this themselves. But hey, pc people just love to bash on the system for God knows what reason. I bet you will buy a ps4 just to compare multiplatform games to try to prove that your pc is still better so you can sleep at night.

[Sevir]

It's always been the case! You pc gamers quit trying to convince console gamers they need PCs to enjoy games.

Stay in your niche market of upgrading your cards to enjoy minimal and very negligible performance boost for the same experience in multiplat game.

And Please stop bring up consoles specs and comparing it to a graphics card as if consoles are less than the sum of their parts, games on both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are still getting games that look remarkable even with PCs being ahead.

It's a moot point. Consoles aren't PC's and by virtue simply can't be labeled as you do. Fact Console Exclusives will be what innovates and moves the industry forward. It isn't about TFLOPs and $1000 graphics cards.

you bring up a point of the GTX 8800 being released the same time as the PS3,.it out performed the PS3 because it shipped with more ram than the PS3 shipped with, while the PS3 had split pool of rams. GTFO with the crap comparisons. It still stands as a point that falls on def ears.

PC gaming is a niche market that is largely dependent on the Console market, engineers and developers, which moves the innovation of the industry forward.

So scream all you want about PC gaming being better, at the end of 6-7 years 90+ million PS4s and 90+ million XBX8 will have surpassed the notch Market of PC elitists and once again the news outlet and industry insiders will be looking forward to the next set of consoles to carry the torch for innovations. Not graphics cards on a memory hog OS PC that runs games you can enjoy on consoles that don't even use the Ram to its full potential at a much higher price.

[Axe99]

Well said, but keep in mind that consoles also benefit from the hardcore PC crowd, that pay for a lot of the development that then goes into console hardware. It's a virtuous circle, as the console hardware then takes those improvements to a wider audience, which provides the install base necessary to support the development of games like the Assassin's Creed and numerous other AAA franchises.

[Campy da Camper]

And its one that comes all put together for me. No upgrading anything. After work I come home and want to sit and game. I'm on a PC all day at work. I don't want to have to update drivers, keep an eye out for new hardware and deal with crashes and stuff. From what we are seeing and hearing games will look and run great on the ps4. For me that is just fine indeed.

BTW, when is the release date of the new Infamous for PC? Yeah...exactly.

[T2]

yeah i feel exactly the same.use a pc all day... every time i come home i glare at my laptop and wonder what stupid antivirus update or security patch is going to run just to keep the machine happy. it's all crap to me just let me turn on my console and veg for a bit.... I sure as hell wouldn't upgrade my ps4 parts even if they let me, just make the console last 5-6 years and i'm happy.

[OpenGL]

The GTX 560/560Ti isn't even able to beat the desktop version of the PS4 GPU.

[Axe99]

There will absolutely be PCs that will best the PS4 (there are PCs now that do), but it'll take more than a GTX 560 ;).

[cyclindk]

My crappy 6 GB i3 setup has a 3 gb hd 7950 and no, it destroys nothing...

(yes, I bought the card with the intent of getting an upgraded machine eventually)

[abzdine]

now let that E3 blow us all away!

[guitarded77]

Good to see EPIC giving a good word on the PS4. I hope we see some involvement between EPIC and Sony next gen.

[abzdine]

just a question, is Gears of War owned by Microsoft or Epic? because a Gears on Sony console will weigh BIG in the console war!

[BLow]

Epic

[Why o why]

If that goes multi it would be a big blow to ms. Sony lost a few exclusives last gen which is why they created more of their own and had put the ball in motion prior to the start. Ms dont have as many active exclusives so losing one of their big 5 is a heavier blow than losing 2 of 10 so to speak. It would be very hypocritical if us who prefer the PlayStation to all of a sudden start loving gears though....it would be like all the metal gear 'cutscene' haters all of a sudden championing the series... it does happen, luckily I own all of the gears on the 360 except one just released so I wouldn't feel any way to welcome it to sonys platform. I've been a fan of epic since unreal tounament effed with my education way back when....good times with my flack cannon in stalwart xl and the likes...hmmm

[T2]

Gears isn't really that great, lots of other titles are just as good... Hell Resistance Fall of Man was better than gears.

[BitbyDeath]

Epic will likely focus on new IP's nextgen.
MS won't miss them though as they'll be investing huge into their new studio Black Tusk.

[Jek_Porkins]

Epic already released games on the PlayStation 3, it's not like they hated Sony or anything. The only franchise not on PS3 was Gears Of War, which Microsoft published, funded and advertised for.

Got a good feeling a chunk of developers left Epic recently because MS probably got a new contract for Gears games next gen and they didn't want to be stuck doing Gears games for the next decade.

[guitarded77]

In no way did I say, or imply that EPIC and Sony didn't have a good relationship, of say they hadn't made games for the PS3. I just expressed my hope for them having a good relationship next gen.

[_FantasmA_]

Why o why. Sony lost some exlusives but M$'s barely there list of exclusives got even more microscopic when they lost Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Bungie.

[IcicleTrepan]

yeah, a company that sold roughly the same amount of consoles as Sony is microscopic. So by your definition, Sony is also microscopic.

[thebudgetgamer]

Perfect!

[BLow]

It's nice to hear positive things about the PS4 from actual developers instead of the "so called" experts on this site. Some people on here believe they know what these new machines will be capable of but have no clue. Just imagine what can be pulled off after this gen with only 512mb of RAM. I'm not a PC gamer so I can care less how your PC is so much better than what next gen has to offer. Can't we all just enjoy the games. Man, now we even got Nvidia talkin shit like fanboys.

I just can't wait to open up my shiny new system and smelling that "new" smell on Day 1. That little kid in me is gonna come out big time and I can't wait!!!

[Sarobi]

Now the big question: Wait in line for hours upon hours to get one at midnight, or pick it up later in the day.

[IcicleTrepan]

I agree with you. It's just sad that a lot of people that see themselves as 'playstation or die' fans feel the need to crap on all of the competition. There's plenty of room for all of them and it really is possible to be happy about PS4 and also be excited to find out what the new xbox is all about.

[Braid]

Oh yeah, and Epic has the right to say that?

Enlighten me, please. According to this Epic executive, PS4 is like a super computer, and yet the earlier version of UE4 Demon Knight presentation which was said to be running on PC looked way better than the recent version running on PS4...

Now wrap your head around that.

[thebudgetgamer]

Nowhere did he say super computer, he said perfect gaming pc.

[Braid]

Guess it's not the perfect gaming PC then, since the console is not even able to run the engine as it's originally intended.

Don't get me wrong... PS4 is capable of incredible things and KZ Shadowfall is a strong premise, but Epic are just contradicting with themselves here. I just had to point that out.

[BitbyDeath]

That demo was only using around 2GB of memory as were all demos shown so it's best not to judge just yet.

EDIT: See i was beaten to it.

[thebudgetgamer]

I get your point, while I am also excited about the PS4 these companies are going to sell themselves however they can. It always happens.

[Nitrowolf2]

They also confirmed that it wasn't running on PS4 full specs, meaning not optimized. I say we wait till the consoles out.

[Braid]

Good to know, I really hope they pull it off. It's difficult to settle with the lesser version when you've already seen the better one.

[AnyaShroud]

if UE4 is not optimized now, the early games that use UE4 won't be optimized either. once Epic updates their engine, it's going to take developers months to update their game for the updated engine.

[wishingW3L]

he is talking about performance, convenience and ease of development not power.

[Angleann92x]

Why is this kind of debate always springing up... OK we get that a top of the line PC will dominate a ps4, there's no debating that. Thing is; most people just don't have the money to pay for a single PC component that will cost around twice the price of a console. And besides there's some amazing games on consoles that aren't on PC. I know this is just common sense but seriously this "debate" needs to just stop.

[cayleee]

1. You dont need top of the line PC to beat a PS4. Mid range PCs will do just that.

2. Mid range PCs that will out perform the PS4 will cost about 500-700usd, Hence if people cant afford that then they cant afford the PS4 either.

BTW PS4 games will cost more ever accounted for that? PCs games always tend to sell 10-20usd cheaper than console versions, Nevermind the Steam sales (those completely make console prices look like a rip off).

Lastly for any one whos been gaming on PC this gen and has a good library. Sticking with PC as main platform next gen makes more sense as you can play all your old games in one place. With PS4 good luck, cant play any of your PS3 games.

[wishingW3L]

there is no $500 mid-range PC, that's low-end unless you build it yourself by looking around for cheap parts and other deals. Mid-range PCs cost between $900-1500 at the very least while high-ends are between 2000-3000 dollars with brands like Alienware.

[Bladesfist]

@wishingW3L "between 2000-3000 dollars with brands like Alienware." Who in there right mind buys alienware. Outdated hardware for a premium price. Build it yourself and it is not too bad. Most likely more expensive than a PS4 though. It is important to note that a PC is not just a gaming machine though. I use my PC for many things and gaming is just one of them.

[ExCest]

@Bladesfist

That's exactly the point that people are missing. People over-exaggerate the price of a PC while forgetting that everyone uses a PC for other purposes than gaming.

@wishingW3L It's possible to build a fairly high-end PC (without monitor and peripherals) with $1000 dollars. The $2-3K would be enthusiast level with sound cards and super high end GPUs.

[Axe99]

The one thing that a lot of PC-only gamers seem to forget, is that it takes a bit of research, effort and time to build a PC. For gamers with a job, family and responsibilities, time (or interest) isn't necessarily there. Comparing the price of a prefabricated unit to a collection of parts that need to be assembled makes as much sense here as it does in any other industry (ie, none).

That, and the other big issue with PCs is the general work that's required to get things work. PC-only gamers are quick to talk up compatibility, but it's actually harder just getting current-gen games to run on PC than on console, let alone older classics like Master of Orion 2. It's far, far easier for me to play Panzer General and Allied General on my PS3 (then PSOne version of course) than it is on PC. Yes, it's easier to eventually get something to work on PC, but it's hardly the cut-and-dried argument it's made out to be.

I love gaming on PC - there are a range of genres (particularly flight, grand strategy and MMOs) that are far better supported than on console, and it's wonderfully flexible - but with that flexibility comes a whole lot of hassle, which is why, if I have the chance, I'll play a game on console if it's available and runs reasonably (which it does in the vast majority of cases), as I prefer the ease of use to the extra resolution and framerate.

The fact that we have these choices is a good thing - I'm not knocking PC gaming at all (hell, I do enough of it), and I'm not knocking console gaming - but I think we all need to realise not all gamers are the same, and some gamers prefer different things to others. I personally prefer the ease of use (ie, more gaming, less playing around with tech) of a console setup, while others prefer bleeding-edge frame rates and resolutions, and the ability to put on texture mods and have the latest lighting models. As long as we're all happy, we're all good :).

[tommygunzII]

All you should really need in my opinion is a mid range PC and a Playstation to suit your gaming needs. You are shortchanging yourself as a gamer if all you play on is a PC. Playstation exclusives are great games that shouldn't be missed.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Of course the ps4 is like the perfect gaming machine. It's LIKE A PC!!!!

PS3 is a train wreck of a console to develop for. PS4 is like a PC so it's much easier to develop on. Ever Developer is going to say the same thing...oh wait, they all already have.

The PS4 is going to be a great console. Period. It's been designed with the developers in mind. It's off the shelf PC parts the developers are accustomed too. We will see great looking games right out the gate when the PS4 releases.

I predict that the ps4 will be easier to program for then the 720. Not that the 720 will be difficult, just that the lack of a custom PS4 will make it easier for developers to work with since it's closer to a PC then the 720 will be since the 720 will be more customized.

The PS4 is built very much like the 360 and the 720 is built very much like the PS3.

[fingazblank]

When games developers make games for pc they use direct x which belongs to the windows family, they have become masters of this thing called direct x. So you say the ps4 will be more easier to develop for because its more like a pc, the 720 will be harder, because what? its based on direct x 11 the stuff that games developers have been using for years.

Direct x(box) original concept name from microshaft!

[2pacalypsenow]

Ps4 is more optimised than most PC's and the games will be more optimised since they dont have to worry about millions of hardware options

[WUTCHUGUNNADO]

The market saturation for 64bit OS's is actually quite high... The best card this guy can pull is mentioning the memory limitations of a 32bit OS.

[Skynetone]

its more too do with min specs, ie all games have to be compatible with wins 32bit, its a business decision to sell more games

i think battlefield was one of the first games to reguire a 64 bit os,

yes the world is moving on, and more and more games will reguire a 64 bit os

there are millions of gpus out there with 1/2 gigs of gddr5 memory, should developers suddenly stop support for these gpus just because the titan is out which has 6 gigs, no because its bad for business

[WUTCHUGUNNADO]

BF3 was a 32bit executable... I believe it was MOH:Warfighter your thinking of. Next gen will most likely have more games that require a 64 bit OS but it's about time they do so... the 64bit architecture has been laying dormant for quite some time when it comes to gaming. I don't really understand your last part... it came out of nowhere. Having 6gb's of VRAM is great for multi-monitor setup's but 2gb is all you need for a single monitor @ 1080p.

[SAE]

Gears of war 1 Remake on ps4 :D

[SAE]

What?. You guys don't want that ?.. It's the best game they created...

[Imalwaysright]

Many PC fanboys here are underestimating the levels of optimization that can be done on consoles. Even though we won't be seeing the same graphical options that PC offers on consoles, I'm expecting the PS4 and most likely the nextBox to be able to easily keep up with PC for atleast 2 years.

[FreakdoutKid]

dont you guys think he went too far??

[Gimmemorebubblez]

WARNINING!
Incoming PC master-race......

I cannot process all these arguments......

[DJ]

Tech specs be damned. PS4 is proof that our next gen gaming experiences are going to be awesome, regardless of which system we choose.

[lizard81288]

The Steambox is like 'a really perfect gaming PC' sounds more accurate...if that thing is even real.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Perfect as in mid to low end pc but not upper end pc.

[stuna1]

You know what I hear when PC gamers start comparing PC to Consoles!?

Yadda yadda yadda CPU, yadda yadda GPU, Flops yadda yadda FPS, Graphics........

I get it PCS destroy Consoles! Which is why they shouldn't be spoken of in the same sentence./s

[teo72]

Some pcgamers still think They know everything. Epic says flat out that ps4 is a better gaming machine than most pc's. Most...not every single one. To call epic liars is not a great move in my book. What do you pcgamers know of games development anyway, and how much experience do you have with development for the ps4. None...though so. Too many selvapointed experts on these forums IMO

[Bladesfist]

I know quite a bit about games development and I must have missed all these people calling epic liars. I don't really think it is a compliment if you are saying that the console is better than most PCs. I'm pretty sure that is just common knowledge.

[grassyknoll]

I'm so bored of PC specs willy waving. The new wave of consoles is gonna be great for PC & raise the bar. PC is gonna be great for incredibly high resolutions & frame rates, but the games are gonna be the same.

[strickers]

I'm going to listen to Carmack over the PC "experts" on here. He said Sony made smart engineering choices and fixed console architecture offers double the same PC spec performance . I think he knows a little more than moaners trying to justify expensive purchases.
All provide high quality games .

[tommygunzII]

Agreed.

[MasterCornholio]

I'm happy that hes taking the PS4 seriously instead of a joke like the Wii U.

Motorola RAZR i

[fingazblank]

Epic lines its own pockets for posting more BS, 32 bit windows, lol... Who even uses that anymore, 2 gig of ram yeah if your using vista. Come on really, i got 8 gig running windows 8 and it uses 1.2 gig of ram. If your pc is a 32bit version of windows, then it isn't a gaming pc... Come on Mr game developer talk some fricking sense up in this mess.

Pc's with a decent card (580 or 6970 and up) can do multi monitor games. My card can do 2k and 4k...

I dont even think you will be getting 60fps at 1080p. 30fps 1080p easily though, but do that what pc's have been doing for a considerable amount of time

[SAE]

Let's be realistic here. It's true what they are saying. Most of the people own normal computers which mean low specs like windows 7 32-bit. It's reality right now. I don't see one person in my neighbor who own a computer pc that have higher then 2GB of ram. Maybe after 3 or 4 years you will see people own powerful pc's but right now ps4 is like owning a 4k tv in these days.

Ps4 is gonna be great for few years , All thee developers are happy with it even pc developers. Why fighting each other when we should be excited for it. Pc is a Pc , Ps4 is a console so it's unfair to compare them.

[isyourhouseonfire]

If by 'perfect' he means 'it can play blu-rays', then yup, it's perfect!

[zmack]

That whole 32-bit argument is kind of reaching there. Most PC gamers have 64bit since 4GB of RAM used to be all the craze and a lot of people caught onto that limitation pretty quick especially since higher end games recommended 4GBs of RAM.

So, what's the new fad with RAM? Well, believe it or not 8GB has been the new craze on PC before the PS4 was announced. Wait, why is that? Well, DDR3 RAM is really damn cheap. To get like 8GB of RAM it's $60-$70 dollars.

When I brought my gaming rig (a year before PS4 was announced) it was almost an instant decision to get 8GB because of the price. Yes, there are still some systems out there with 4GB, but there are less 2GB gaming machines out there because most PC gamers are aware of memory limitations there already since well quite a few years ago. A 64bit OS is not a new thing and consumers have had a 64-bit option since 2005, 8 years ago with Windows xp professional 64...

So, yes, it is puzzling to see Mark talk about memory limitations. Most new gaming PCs will have 8GB if they go to any website for help since most people will recommend that amount because of the price. Furthermore, let's also not forget that most high end GPUs have dedicated video memory of 1-3GB of GDDR5 in addition to the 8GB of system RAM.

Am I saying the PS4 sucks? Hell no! The system is great and the GPU is pretty damn decent, but it's not like all of sudden some of these high end PCs are running into problems because they are using windows 32bit. Memory is not an issue in the PC space with a lot of PC gamers.

If your PC is on a 32bit OS you are most likely using an old laptop or a netbook. If somehow you are on a 32bit OS and you have 4GB of RAM or more, well you better switch because you aren't using all of your RAM there.

If you go to the steam survey you will see the most popular amount of RAM is 8GB:

http://store.steampowered.c...

I would also like to point out that Windows 7 x64 is the most popular OS. So, most gamer's, according to the Steam survey, do not have this 32-bit problem.

Pay no attention to the GPU portion since there are less intel gpu variants than the many nvidia and amd gpus out there so no one GPU can exactly take that spot. Furthermore, a lot of people may buy a PC for regular use then try to game on it and then they realize they have a crappy Intel GPU because they didn't pay attention.

[Rageanitus]

This happens every generation of consoles.... the fans would hype it up like they know something just because they use marketing terms like supercharged...

Do ppl realize PC components are always being updated by big companies, what you find in consoles at release is STATIC specs... meaning you will not see improvement in raw power for a good 5 years.

But then goes the argument....its all about "optimization".... psssh agreed to a certain point but who's to say you cannot obptimize on a standard pc gaming rig..... both consoles and pc rigs are pc like components.

There is a reason why PC's always excel , because the update cycle is about 1 year and a refresh cycle (minor upgrades) is half year. The raw power is increased time and time again without relying on these so called optimazation that can be "only" from console developers.

This generation do you know how console developers "optmized" they made games sub hd native resolution and upconverted to 720p/1080p... Ppl actually truly believed that xbox games were all crisp because the tv says the source is outputing at 1080p.

Its funny how console only players make it seem graphics is not everything yet now we hear how they theorize how powerful the ps4/xbox 720 is gonna be.

[Poodlejamas]

Running by console standards with all the low resolution textures, jaggies and sub-standard frame rates, my old 8800ultra can beat consoles at their own game.
Doubt the PS4 as a gaming machine will ever come close to what gaming machine pc has to offer.

Comparing a gaming built console machine to a non-gaming pc is just weak.
All I do know is no pc gamer still uses 32bit windows versions and that no next gen console will be able to pick a fight and win against my gtx 670.

Pc gamers are pc gamers because they can afford it, console players don't know this.

[ahm]

If the Dev say the PS4 is a beast then I have believe that, Cuz they have to know what they re working with.

[wishingW3L]

he is not talking about power, he is talking about ease of development. That's why he compared the PS4 with the iPhone at the end. He say it's equally fun to create games for both platforms.

[StrongMan]

Nice to see the PS4 get so much praise.

[chukamachine]

@T900

I don't know why you keep brining the 8800gtx up.

When you use a PC, you have the choice to use it how you want, this is true. You can have games running in whatever rez you want, but then you have to think about settings, aa/af high mid,low etc. and games don't magically run@60fps constant, unless you packing something decent and depending on the game.

There are not many games that are unlocked on PS3/360, because the fps would go up and down and that causes that laggy feel, from speed to slowdown.

Most games are locked on console @30fps, although they don't always reach it, but considering the games they are running, are not some old thing.

Look up what a 7800gtx(even though it has more bandwidth then PS3 and xbox was running or ati's 1800xt.

They were running games like

DOOM3
HL2
Farcry

Great looking games for their time, but nothing compared to what PS3/360 are running these days.

8800GTX has like 84gb bandwidth, it's made to run at higher rez and aa then consoles. and at that time cost as much.

Killzone shadow fall and other demo's I've seen look good.

Maybe wait till it's out before you buy one.:)

[WickedLester]

You you know why PC gamers are so vocal about specs? Because it's the only weapon they have when arguing PC's VS Consoles. When it comes to quality (and quantity)exclusive gaming content, consoles absolutely rape PC's! Almost every AAA PC title can also be found on consoles! However I have yet to find the PC that runs Gran Turismo, God of War, Killzone, Infamous, Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Journey, Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, Okami, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy, Valkeria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Motorstorm, etc.

What good is it to have all that horsepower when your game selection sucks ass!

[Rageanitus]

I bought all consoles this gen and I have a PC gaming rig.... guess what your very one sided.
s
All consoles have their place, Same goes with PC

All the FPS games i've played this gen simply played better on a mouse and KB combo, plus the games simply looked better.

Yes I found Uncharted / KZ/ Gears of War all great looking games but It just felt that PC games gave more of that awe during gameplay.

Did I like many of the games from ps3 and xbox... YES but many I did not like!

Have you ever heard of the term "consolized" Its many of the games I felt this generation where I felt the developer had to dumb down the game mechanics just to make it more enjoyable on a console controller.

[jcnba28]

PS4 SUCKS!!!!!!

(I wanna see how many dislikes I can get lol)

[Tundra]

What gaming PC in this day and age uses a 32-bit Windows OS? Other than that, I agree with him. The console is convenient for its consumers and the simpler architecture is easier to develop for. Also the PS4 will surpass "Most PCs" because the majority of those Windows laptops come from walmart.

[zmack]

This is true, but at the same time some people can't get it in their head that if you actually get a decent gaming PC you aren't exactly screwed by this new console. I think that lead to a lot of the PC gaming is dying arguments we saw last gen.

Both the PS gamers and PC gamers will be fine this generation. The PS4 has some nice specs and high end gaming PCs do as well. Both systems will also have great games respectively and neither is dying or getting left behind anytime soon.

[Ps_alm3k]

Developers boast about ps4, and they make pc games so therefore gamers should acknowledge this. thruth

[Thunderhawkxbox]

April fools ? Haha

[sdplisken]

God called, he wants his console back XD

[bobacdigital]

Do people actually think the Sony OS is going to run on peanuts? It will have all those mandatory services to keep social network, updating on the fly, and whatever else it has going on with the hardware (Think that touch pad and the controller gyration dont have drivers or services running in the background)......

Ram is so freaking cheap right now that you can buy 16 gigs for 50-80 bux depending on the quality and speed....Who cares if windows eats 2 gigs of ram if you have 8 to 16 gigs total in your rig..Even then on my gaming rig now I can run starcraft 2 shelled out and play battlefield 3 with no lag... hell I could have Microsoft Office open with chrome along with 10 tabs and still not feel any lag... Console wont be able to do that.

It isnt really a flame war .. but lets be honest.. They build games around console hardware with lesser specs and have to optimize every inch of the technology to get a fraction of what a real gaming rig can do... YES it impressive what they can squeeze out of a console... But lets be honest here any game a console runs can be done on a PC without as much optimization and it still will look better..

Gears of War on the PC without any optimization a STRAIGHT port looks better on the PC than it does on the XBOX the platform it was built for... You simply can brute force engines onto a good gaming rig and the game looks amazing...

The PS4 in terms of specs is as good as a gaming laptop / micro PC if you look at the parts ... If you didn't optimize for it the PS4 wouldnt run alot of PC games at 1080p with eye candy on at 60fps... but since consoles have the same specs across the board developers can squeeze more out of it by building their engines around the architecture better... PS4 on paper when compared to a real gaming PC is MEDIOCRE.. But if you factor in programming for 1 platform then IT MAY hold a candle to some mid range gaming PCs... I think that is what EPIC ment.

[Funky Town_TX]

When the 360 was called easy to dev for N4G user killed it. I wonder why making a dev friendly console is okay now? I can't wait to play great games next gen.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Like a gaming PC, but without all the hassle.

But honestly folks, he's just repeating the continuing marketing line of "PS4 VS PC."

You've seen a lot of stories in the press, message board topics and fanboy comments pushing this obvious marketing agenda. And that's what it is... Marketing. Being pushed by agents int the press and in the field.

"For those who have eyes to see..."

[kingduqc]

I hope you guys realize that a 1500$ pc in 2 years will be about 650$ and that the ps4 will still be around 400$ and that buying games on console it so much more expensive then the pc counter part.

[kcuthbertson]

Am I the only one around here who plays both PC and Consoles? Both have merits, both have weaknesses. Either deal with it or get both! But seriously, most of all...just enjoy the damn games you guys.

[landog]

PS4 is like 'a really perfect gaming PC from 2010"

fixed

[ThreshStar]

As a PC gamer exclusively, I'm extremely torn and slightly insulted by these future PS4 developers comparing the PS4 to gaming PC.

Most of these Devs create crappy PC ports, PC releases months after the initial console releases, and even disregard PC gaming as old, archaic and financially a pitfall.

YET....they LOVE to compare this new PS4 to PC gaming standards like they suddenly CARE about PC gaming?

I'm starting to get really annoyed at the two-face nature: "The PS4 is comparable to a valuable gaming PC....you know, the PC that we won't make games for, ever!"

[_FantasmA_]

Sony + PC is like T + A. You can have one but aren't both better?? I don't get the hate for PS3 and PS4 from the PC guys. PC just don't provide the great exclusives and PC has customizable and more accurate controls. Why can't I like both? Is that a crime?

[Axe99]

Well said, a lot of hardcore PC gamers forget that the install base for high-end PCs is tiny compared with the install base for consoles (just give the Steam hardware survey a gander if you don't believe me, high-end PCers) - 'PC' gaming is gaming with a mid-to-low range card far more than it is with a GTX 690 - it's just you'll only see the high-end guys on the forums.

[kung-fu-grip]

So I've been confused by this since Feb 20th. Do people want this thing to be a PC or not?

[TABSF]

There is 27 GPUs out or will be out before the PS4 and NXB will be released. These 27 GPUs are more powerful than the GPUs in the new consoles. Not to mention HD 8000 and GeForce 700 series will be out by then.

These GPUs below can play beyond 1080p above 60fps, even 3840 by 2160 at 30fps. More than what can be said of PS4 (PS4 BF4 720p at 60fps)

AMD Radeon
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HD 7950
HD 7970
HD 7970 GHz Edition CFX
HD 7990 (3rd party dual HD 7970)
HD Malta
HD 8950 (OEM)
HD 8970 (OEM)

Nvidia GeForce
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GTX 670
GTX 680
GTX 690
GTX Titan

[Truth]

And?

[Bonerboy]

My word! It seems a lot of folk here apparently know stuff about stuff and junk. Honestly quite impressed with some of the knowledgeable techie posts. Where do these people come from and why are they here? This is N4G; home of fanboy rhetoric and pernicious nonsense. Please return often and enlighten the plebs with relevant information.

[mercury228]

It does not really matter what they say, I was converted to PC gaming about 3 years ago. I will never own another console again.

[urwifeminder]

He seen the backlash from playstation fans towrads nvidia for dissin ps4, pssst just say its fantastic or they wont like us.

[Rageanitus]

Sorry you need mouse and KB to work properly.... the UT ps3 version was a realy shoddy attempt in incoroprating mouse and keyboard functionality. (it felt way to sluggish).

[KingKevo]

All I want from Epic now is an amazing (or epic..) PS4 game.

[wishingW3L]

people he is not talking about power, he is talking about ease of development. That's why he compares the PS4 with the iPhone at the end. He say it's equally fun to create games for both platforms.

So can we now stop with the butthurt and damage control about PC being more powerful than consoles?

[Khan613]

It's not about comparing hardware specs.
It's development cost vs return on investment.

PC is great for consumers, it has superior hardware and offers greater flexibility.

But it sucks for devs who have to work on every aspect of PC compatibility and testing. They also have to deal with piracy.
Increasing their cost and decreasing their profits.

PS4 is better hardware for DEVELOPMENT.
in other words: meaning one platform to rule them all
which means less development and testing time
bottom line: LOWER DEVELOPMENT COST.

Also product security: PS4 has great security against piracy as well as the second hand re-sale of software.
bottom line: INCREASED PROFIT

Looks like EPIC are suggesting PS4 is potentially the cheapest platform to develop for which offers the greatest potential returns.

Of course they're going to talk the PS4 up.

[fullmetal297]

I think what most people are forgetting here is that games uses the GDDR5 RAM from the video card and not the system memory, so the amount of memory the OS takes up wouldn't be much of an issue. So if you were running a 32-bit OS with 4gb of system RAM and video card with 2gb of GRRD5 RAM, then memory limitation wouldn't be an issue because OS will only use the system memory while the game will only take up the 2gb of GDDR5

[CaulkSlap]

PS4 is about as perfect as you could get for the console price range. What's important is that we'll now have a new baseline for multiplat development. The basic core of every game has been limited by designed to run on 360/PS3 hardware. No matter how much you crank the fidelity settings on PC, it's still the same base game and you're really wasting the potential of modern PC hardware.

Considering what they've pulled out of PS3/360 doesn't even run on top of the line 2005 PC hardware, I think people are underestimating how much of a difference optimizing dedicated hardware makes. I mean my PC crushes the raw numbers of PS4, but I fully expect it to be chugging on the first real next-gen multiplats. Wasted raw power is the nature of the PC beast.

[FreakdoutKid]

More PR gobshite from Epic. Wonder how many £££ Sony put into their pocket to spin such bullshit.

Same can be said of that prick from Avalanche Studios in his rant about PS$ outperform most PC’s for many years to come.

Yeah, right…
ps4 will be great but cant compete with PCs

[evil_element]

His argument fails on the console vs PC first and most important point.

Consoles forbid the hacking, modification and unofficial content to be made from titles on consoles. There is also no tools available to create tools and distribute content.

Doesn't matter even bringing up anything on software and hardware when it fails on the 1st hurdle.

[devind]

He's talking about ease of development. I think you have over thought this whole thing.

[Ol_G]

I see watchdogs for ps4 priced at $99.99 i hope thats not true
http://www.amazon.com/Watch...

[Bobbie001]

PC gamers are insecure as FUCK

[TheCopyNinja]

Has anyone heard of the awesome exclusives PC has/is getting? Me either.

[FreakdoutKid]

OH my God they are comparing PS4 with PC.

[tubers]

Different gen, same story..

Hardware KING/bleeding edge tech = PC

Consoles = lower cost of entry

Both have exclusives.

[GABRIEL1030]

Oh boy¡ They already insult the PC trolls: " PS4 is like 'a really perfect gaming PC" .....here we go with the technical nerds....

Another great news for PS4 and that also benefits PC gamers, because the game designers can use the same versions of the game for both plataforms.. :D

[kung-fu-grip]

It's becoming obvious to me that all of this PS4 vs PC talk is only to halt console gamers from going over to PC gaming. It's like almost everyday I hear a ridiculous rumor about what PS4 will do. Has anyone claimed that Sony will allow for PS4 games to be mod friendly?

[ATi_Elite]

1. PS4 can't run Arma 3 on Ultra......END OF STORY!

2. "This really opens up beyond what most PCs can do, because most PCs are running a 32-bit version of Windows"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS IS NOT TRUE!^^^^^^^^^^^

Steam hardware Survey shows 73.6% of it's users are using a 64bit OS with Win7 64bit being the most popular at 55.11% FACT!

http://store.steampowered.c...

3. If the PS4 can't do 1080p at 60fps across 3 screens then it's NOT PERFECT!

I'm addicted to Peripheral view in my PC Games and so far I haven't heard if the PS4 will support this wonderful feature.

4. The PC is PERFECT cause you can tailor make it to YOUR GAMING NEEDS.

the PS4 is one size fits all.

the PS4 will be great but I'm sorry my current PC still does more than what a PS4 will do.

Intel Sandy Bridge FTW!!!