Battlefield 4 Sticks To 720P/60 FPS on Next-Gen Consoles – Frostbite 2.5, Game Details Leaked

Many new details of DICE’s upcoming next-generation Battlefield 4 FPS have been leaked by Chiphell forums. According to the leaker, the details would be mentioned in the April issue of the Edge magazine while the game itself would be announced at GDC 2013 during 26th – 27th March. A teaser sneak peak along with cover image of Battlefield 4 have already been released which you can view here.

[Letros]

60 FPS is very important for twitch based gameplay

[classic200]

I think holding back, the PS4 can surely do 1080p and 60FPS. Lots of gaming PC with lower hardware power can do it. I guess they want to do it for battlefield 5 or bad company 3 then.

[TotalHitman]

Maybe they designed BF4 to run on a small amount of ram, not knowing that Sony bumped it up to 8. So, yeah, maybe the BF5 or Bad Company 3 will be 1080p 60FPS. Idk, I don't know much about specs, but that theory seems to make sense.

[SJPFTW]

OMG NOT THIS AGAIN. the ps3 and xbox 360 can do 1080p and 60 fps easy but that comes at the cost of graphics and presentation. the same rule applies to next gen consoles as well.

yahh sure they can do 1080p and 60fps but you will all then complain how it looks barely better than BF3.

Get a Gaming PC and upgrade it every year or two if you want 1080p and 60fps constantly

[Dark_king]

Mind you until Sony announced the 8gigs of ram the devs only knew there would be 4gigs. So they probably only could get it to 720p without any sacrifices to physics and player count.

[JsonHenry]

@totalhitman The ram isn't the problem. The 7xxxm series video cards (what the PS4 GPU is based on) can't play the current BF3 game on ultra settings @ 1080p so the video card in the consoles are obviously the restricting factor. But I would rather play at 720p with ultra settings and AF/AA than 1080p with mid-high settings.

Also- even on the PC with high overhead on RAM my system never used more than 3.5gigs of RAM at ultra settings in stereoscopic 3D. So RAM in this case is not the problem. It is the video card.

[Peppino7]

Here comes the hate for a non-standard 1080p native game with all the new resources of next gen.
More needless complaining when the game will probably look amazing.

[Lior]

na screw it pc it is, got a 680 sli might as well use that power to get 60fps on ultra on the resolution of 2560 1440 on my asus moniter

[Ulf]

A GPU that is the rough equivalent of the HD 7870 will not do 1080p and 60 fps without a serious "last gen" reduction in texturing and overall visuals.

Pixels are not everything. Doing 2.5x the work just to have more pixels, when you have options like AA, along with cool lighting techniques and way better shaders, is just not the way to go.

720p and 60 fps sounds perfect, because that means the quality bar is much higher in other areas, which are more important than mere rez.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

"I think holding back, the PS4 can surely do 1080p and 60FPS. Lots of gaming PC with lower hardware power can do it."

what pc gamers use tablet cpus and on chip gpu?

killzone 1080p 30fps, bf4 720p, 60fps lol

Getting pc version. For 1080p, 60fps like in 2011 for bf3.
If bf5 is pc lead next year then dice will be porting from gddr6 systems to gddr5 systems.
http://vr-zone.com/articles...

Dice missed the David Cage memo. Never have to worry about limitation ever again!!

[Baka-akaB]

People dont wanna get it . ALL of those consoles can pull 1080p at 60 fps . Devs just can often chose to push for better looking games and more details at 30 fps .

Obviously the more game progressed , and with outdated hardware , they had trouble even keeping a steady 30 fps , but the same will happens sooner or later on ps4/720 . Some will push for better looking but slower running games at 30 fps

[loulou]

if true, then perhaps certain members will need to get it into their heads that 8 gig of ram is not the worm-hole opening capable tech that they think it is. and that cpus and gpus also play a part in the grand scheme of things..

also, since when did ram become the most important part of console? last gen it was cell cpus, now it's ram.... i wonder why?

anyway, i will take maxed 720p 60fps with 64 players anyday. please be true.

if this comes in november and is a launch window title on both next gen consoles. it will be a massive system mover me thinks

[TotalHitman]

As I said @JsonHenry, I don't know specs. Things like "7xxxm series video cards" confuse me.

[ProjectVulcan]

Battlefield 3 max settings 1080p with MSAA on a PC with a powerful CPU (i5 2500k) and a Radeon 7850 manages about a 40 frame average and a mid 30s minimum.

http://www.bit-tech.net/har...

When console games are designed they are often designed (as is BF3 on console) with a framerate cap of 30FPS and to maintain that solidly, you have to render a little bit faster for vsync to be able to drop frames if needed- like that 34FPS minimum shown for example.

Even if you are EXTREMELY generous and say that the game can be optimised further being on a fixed platform by say 30 percent and that is really, really generous for a game designed for PC in the first place....you might be able to make the game run 45FPS minimum framerate on PS4's hardware.

PS4 would not run BF3 maxed 1920 x 1080 plus MSAA and maintain 60FPS. If you took out the AA maybe, but assuming not (comparing the top PC experience) that would mean a doubling in performance of what similar (if not better CPU at least) PC hardware does with the same game. This is utterly unrealistic because the advantage of a console platform isn't remotely that much.

By these metrics I would still assume however even a 1080p Battlefield 4 would be able to look at least as good as its PC predecessor as long as it were restricted to 30FPS.

If the article is really true, I would be somewhat disappointed they would opt for a mere 720p. I am not really sure I believe it when I think that the Battlefield 3 full 1080p PC like experience on a console would be possible at least on PS4 and satisfy many gamers I suspect.

[imt558]

@JsonHenry

If KZ:SF can go in 1080p/30fps with 1.5 GB RAM available in dev kits, why BF4 can't go in 1080p/60fps?

PS4 GPU is in range GTX 660, HD 7870, HD 7850.. BF3 on PC's with that GPU's run between 30 and 60 fps on max. settings.

[HenryFord]

What is happening here?

You are talking about
a) consoles that have yet to be released. You know some of their tech specs but you do not know how well those parts will play together. You simply cannot judge the performance of a console based on the specs you have read. There is so much more going on (for example: CPU/GPU are running on the same chip, eliminating some serious bottlenecks you have in your PC setup) than "oh, it has a XGHz CPU". The graphics card isn't yet on the market, it is something Sony has exclusive access to as of right now. You simply _CANNOT_ say how this card will perform without actually using it at some point.

b) about a game that has yet to be announced. There are not serious details out there despite this strange leak popping up in some forum. But here we are: The game is being judged already, solely based on some random leak in forum X.

In short:
Everyone here is judging a game that has yet to be announced for a console that has yet to be released based on some guy writing something in some forum.

(Does nobody find some details of this leak suspicious? I for one would think they announce DLC after the release, or shortly before, after the game gone gold already - but not right on the stage with the main game; Makes no f* sense whatsoever)

[SuperM]

@ vulcanproject

"Even if you are EXTREMELY generous and say that the game can be optimised further being on a fixed platform by say 30 percent and that is really, really generous for a game designed for PC in the first place....you might be able to make the game run 45FPS minimum framerate on PS4's hardware."

30% is really really generous? That is not generous at all. PC veteran John Carmack said himself you can get about twice the performance out of fixed hardware as opposed to non fixed. Basically the PS4 with its 1.84tflop GPU should be able to compete with PCs with a 3.6+tflop GPU. And thats not concidering other benefits like significantly more VRAM and unified memory between GPU and CPU.

PS4 definately could run BF3 1080p60fps but as im sure you will see BF4 will have better graphics then BF3 thus be more demanding to run and they choose 720p60fps

[delboy]

It has nothing to do with RAM, you need computing power.
I know fan boys won't believe it or admit it, but ps4 is weak, a no amount of RAM is gonna change that.

I don't get it, ps4 is the weakest console ever to be released, considering history and past consoles and the jump they had between each generations, ps4 is underwhelming weak.

I don't get the sony fan boys, I know they are only after power and graphics, how can they accept such a move from Sony?
After all, we are not talking about Nintendo crowd here.

[gedapeleda]

This sound dissapointing in so many ways.
720,60 fps 24 players?And the fact that they didn't utilise frostbite engine to bring MORE destruction in bf3 is cringe worthy.

[SuperM]

@Delboy

Anyone with any idea of what they should be expecting for the PS4, given the absolute need of an affordable entry pricepoint in the market, would think the ps4 is indeed a very powerfull machine. Compare it to a 1000$ GTX Titan then sure its weak but you would be an absolute idiot for expecting anything like that, and sony would be absolute idiots for doing anything like that.

Fact of the matter is PS4 will perform better then the vast majority of PCs, even PCs with a clear spec advantage, the same way PS3 and 360 generate better graphics then PCs with more powerful hardware then them. The 360 GPU has a 240Gflop max performance and is concidered to be better then the ps3 GPU (although the ps3 GPU has a higher theoretical gflop performance). Compare that to 1.84tflops in the PS4 GPU and its obvious that its a massive jump from last generation. Technology improvements and efficiencies will ensure that the ps4 gpu will perform even better per flop then in the 360 xenos GPU so in reality it should have about 10 times the performance over last generation in terms of GPU capabilities.

Also more RAM could definately help improve performance aswell. Certain algorithms run more efficient then others but require more memory. If you are memory limited you will have to run less efficient algorithms because you dont have the space for it. Its true that adding more memory doesnt equal higher performance, but its a big mistake to not see the potential benefits it might have. Developers will certainly be able to take advantage of it and it will matter.

[HenryFord]

@delboy:
That is... simply not right.
When the PS4 releases, everyone who says that the PS4 is WEAK, will be proven wrong.

I don't get why you are still comparing apples and oranges. A PS4 is _specifically_ designed to play and render games. I'm fairly certain that it will outperform most PCs used at that time. It probably will be on par with the High-End PC-builds. But still - that is all speculation and you cannot say anything for certain yet.
Except that your post is just wrong.

[BrianC6234]

"yahh sure they can do 1080p and 60fps but you will all then complain how it looks barely better than BF3. "

The PS4 will have no problems handling everything developers want to do with 1080p graphics running at 60 fps. Hopefully the next Xbox will be able to handle it too. I'd hate to see the PS4 held back like the PS3 has been. PC games have no problem doing higher resolutions so the PS4 can handle 1080p. The 8GB of GDDR will make sure of that.

[asbuwango]

im pretty sure a 7870 can do BF3 1080p 60fps max setting without AA on a PC(or very close to 60 fps)
Of course you don't have a tablet CPU on a PC, but you don't have Windows on a console...

[papashango]

60fps is very very very important for shooters.

Someone at DICE finally got their head out their A**.

[Muffins1223]

Hahahah it amazes me how ignorant console owners are on performance

[NatureOfLogic]

All the more evidence that battlefield is trying to be like COD. Now watch COD be 1080p 60fps on next gen consoles. What ever happened to standards. The last battlefield game I had a great time with was bad company 2. Why not make bad company 3 if you're going for the COD milk style.

[Ju]

EA better sits down and doesn't make this a 720p game. Not getting a next gen console to play current gen res - no matter if it runs 60fps. Seriously. Find a balance, Dice! No point of pushing the envelope if you can't use all that screen real estate. If true this will be quite a disappointment. No point of getting a console to yet again be locked down to sub standard resolution; I'd rather keep my PS3 for that.

But really, I hardly believe that's true, though. It should be able to run somewhere between 60-30fps @ 1080. If not 60, than somewhere around 45 - and lock it for 30, that sounds good to me. Get to it boys!

If that's true though, I see what's coming. Half ass PC ports which run like on a cheap PC. Being "easy" to dev for means no compute optimization of a lot of middle ware and engines. This is quite disappointing. Well, I hope Sony's first party studios won't be allowed going down easy lane.

[awi5951]

@JsonHenry

That cant be true i had a 6000 series ATI card and it ran BF3 on ultra at 30 fps @ 1080P. The 7000 cards are even better.

[Ares84HU]

I just hope that they will do 1080p and 60FPS. Why do you have all that horse power in the PS4 if you won't use it??

Also, the PS4 is built like a PC so they can't even have the excuse that it's so much different they couldn't have made it work. On PC I'm sure it will be able to run at 60fps with even higher resolution than 1080p so why can't it on the PS4??

[Tsar4ever01]

My only conclusion to why no 1080p/60 is dice must have developed BF4 on the eariler ps4 kits when the ram spec was a only 4gb. What I don,t get is why only the pc only gets DX11 support and not the consoles. Aren't the consoles dx11 ready also?

[RumbleFish]

720p@60 is ok, but 24 players is extremely lame.

[fr0sty]

Always remember... a multiplatform game typically caters to the lowest common denominator. Taking time to code a game to take advantage of specific advantages in a particular system can take a lot of development time and cost a lot of money as a result. Most devs just stick to what both can do. The same will be true next gen. Games like this will likely stick to what both machines can run, rather than trying to squeeze more bandwidth or more GPU power out of any particular system.

We may be seeing this here. Locking the resolution to 720p will ensure the game will look just as good on all SKU's. I imagine it utilizes some amazing next gen lighting tech that takes a lot of power to pull off. I've learned this gen that I personally don't mind a game running at 720p as long as it makes that 720p smooth and crisp looking. I'd rather than that 1080p with muddy textures or lower frame rate.

It's those exclusives where the machines will really shine.

[starchild]

If this leak is true, it seems that many of us were right when we said that next gen console games would run at either 1080p/30fps or 720p/60fps for the most part.

Killzone Shadow Fall was reported to be a 1080p/30fps game.

And now Battlefield 4 is supposedely going to be 720p/60fps.

It looks like PC will still be the only place you can get 1080p/60fps or higher.

Obviously Battlefield 4 is going to be a more advanced game than Battlefield 3 and that is why the PS4 won't be able to reach the 1080p/60fps mark.

[LOL_WUT]

Hopefully DICE can sort something out by the time this thing is released because this is truly disappointing.

[ProjectVulcan]

@ SuperM

You are overestimating the advantages of fixed platforms MASSIVELY if you think you can double your performance on them over something like a PC.

PC Hardware that is maybe twice as fast as current consoles is clearly faster than said consoles in multiformat games DESIGNED for console and just ported as long as the port is half decent....

Overstatement if you honestly think the 7800 in PS4 performs like an 8800GTX in a PC.

It just doesn't. In fact in reasonably well coded engines like UE3 you can see a performance improvement in PC with even smaller margins. Blatantly unless the game is so very poorly optimised for the PC platform the fixed platform advantage is a long way short of 100 percent that you claim.

PS4 could not run BF3 1920 x 1080 and maintain 60FPS unless you removed the high quality AA the PC version enjoys- toned that down.

The fact you fail to realise that Battlefield 3 is actually very well optimised on PC made me smile a bit at your suggestion.

It was built for PC hardware specifically. That particular example we have chosen absolutely and categorically would not run such a huge amount better on a console that you suggest.

Twice the performance for a game that is well optimised on PC and built for it not a junk port???

Dream on my lad lol

30 percent is highly generous in that specific case, highly generous...

[knowyourstuff]

They've probably been working off of the previous dev kits that had less power than the final version. Final dev kits were just sent out recently, so you're going to notice the first batch of games not harnessing full power... but really that's been the case practically every generation. First few games always look worse than games 2 and 3 years out.

[TheRealSpy]

Maybe some of your are living in a fantasy world.

If the PC version is capable of 1080p 60fps, then why wouldn't they do the same thing for console? Cuz the consoles can't handle it.

To the people saying it's cuz they didn't know how powerful the system would be: Riiiiiight....cuz it's in the best interest of the Sony/MS to deny developers the best possible kits to make the best possible games.

Like i said...fantasy land.

[LocutusEstBorg]

LMAO. Only a top of the line PC can run even BF3 at 1920x1080 and 60fps. The PS3 is barely a quarter the power of a GTX 680. It cannot do 1080p games with PC quality graphics.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

You folks can spin it however you want but in my eyes that's pretty weak.

[jmc8888]

? Sorry you need a GTX 670 and a much stronger CPU to pull that.

The 660/ti are also good to and get close.

It also depends on WHAT settings you are trying to get 1080p 60 frames.

I'm assuming you mean ultra settings.

The PS4 is only a 1.8 TFlops machine. Nice, but midlevel 2011 GPU part. ~3x a Wii U that many xbox/Sony fanboys make fun of.

I run the gamut from Wii U, to 360/PS3, to good PC and will buy a PS4/720, even though they are weaker than my PC, because I roll like that.

But no, it takes a good PC to run BF3 on ultra settings at 1080p/60, and the PS4 is borderline capable of doing it. With BF4 expected to up the ante graphically, this does not surprise me.

It's another thing I've been saying that while I expected alot of 1080p games, that for some they might want to downgrade. I was thinking more along the lines of 1600x900, but 720 was still a possibility.

Looks like it'll be the case.

[Tr10wn]

its 2013 and a "NEW" generation of console and it still uses 720p LOL

[Psn800]

Why get negged for saying something positive , these guys are mental .

[T900]

Console gamers are in for a sad awakening.

1. RAM does no calculations, Hence boatloads of it wont make a difference.

2. Its the GPU and CPU that do all the work. If those 2 are weak dont expect miracles to happen.

PC gamers have been saying this since the last few weeks, let the dust settle and we will see more and more games running at 720p / 60fps.

Once devs start pushing graphics even more. Consoles will be back to 720p / 30fps.

[Kurt Russell]

Personally I am not too worried about the 720p, it's shame but I would have made do. I won't buy this on a console (which is how I prefer to play) with only 24 players still... They'll be other new games next gen to try out instead.

[Gamer1982]

Why not 1080p 30FPS honestly you couldnt see the differnce between 30fps and 60fps so the only people who need to know fps is PC owners who like to know there system can handle there games. This is not the case on consoles. I doubt this leak is true..

[RumbleFish]

"Why not 1080p 30FPS honestly you couldnt see the differnce between 30fps and 60fps so the only people who need to know fps is PC owners who like to know there system can handle there games."

60fps make a game much more playable. First person shooters and racing games obviously benefit most from a high framerate. Not only CAN you see the difference between 30 and 60 fps, but you can play much more precise and comfortable. So it is very smart to sacrifice resolution for performance.

"This is not the case on consoles. I doubt this leak is true.."

You can doubt as much as you like, but the upcoming consoles will not be able to do what two GTX 570 or one GTX 680 do for some time now.

We PC gamers knew immediately what those specs meant, but console dreamers thought those consoles would blow two years old PCs out of the water. They will not.

[profgerbik]

Actually no, many people don't realize just because you set a games resolution it doesn't always mean the actual in game textures are set to that resolution.

It is called Dynamic Resolution. The dynamic resolution for BF4 is obviously 720p. Even though sure you can scale it to 1080p as most people are using that but it is still 720p just upscaled.

Many PC games are the same and they usually don't have dynamic resolutions set as high as 1080p. Hell most PC games don't even have an option to change the dynamic resolution so it will be truly 1080p.

The same goes for console games and the resolution being set on a TV, it does not change a games dynamic resolution.

Very high end PC's struggle to keep things running above 70-80fps at a true 1080p dynamic res for very graphical intensive games. Knowing that the PS4 could very well run true 1080p games of course, the PS3 already does but those real graphic intensive games will probably manage 30fps on the PS4 if they do run at 1080p.

Plenty of benchmarks out there to study. Plenty of extremely expensive PC's that are far more powerful than the PS4 out there with benchmark tests as well with those real 1080p games, the few there are. Sadly with all that power even they don't go far above 60fps.

I would know personally as I own a ridiculous PC and am a enthusiast.

Not trying to be a PC bragger or even carry on about my specificiations but just trying to get people to understand PC games aren't doing that. There are very few PC games, just like console games that truly run at 1080p.

[DeadlyFire]

Considering Xbox 720 could be weaker than PS4 with only 1.2 Tflops. This could be the reason why they chose 720@60 fps for the next gen consoles.

WiiU could see 720@30 fps or 640@30 fps. Something like that. I will hold judgement, but I suspect this rumor is not 100% true.

64 players I believe. Weather effects I believe, Commander system back. I will wait and see how that works out.

[Ragthorn]

@SJPFTW
Woot, I almost downvoted you when you said "OMG NOT THIS AGAIN. the ps3 and xbox 360 can do 1080p and 60 fps easy" but then realized I didn't scroll down and saw what you said. You know what your talking about sir.

[SonyPS360]

lol, "twitch" gameplay.

I can never take that seriously.

[JsonHenry]

Not on a console where they slow the pace of the game down to meet the controllers limitations.

[papashango]

example of a twitch shooter.

Alot of new shooters try to add this element to their game but fail miserably. CS was born in it.

CS 1.6 and before was popular because while easy to learn it took much skill to master.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this is the result of those that mastered it.

[indubitably]

That is why halo is the only FPS I play on console

[ginsunuva]

THEN GOOD THING BATTLEFIELD ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE TWITCH-BASED

[TooTall19]

It's very twitch-based unless you're playing with scrubs who can't aim.

[Upbeat]

Personally i love good looking textures and no jaggie edges, so as long as the textures are great i'm not to fussed, although the higher the resolution goes the less jaggies there are, so they will probably run it with Anti Aliasing

[Ragthorn]

@FanboyPunisher
Please stop hurting the PC Gaming community, you'll get console people to make remarks about us : (
1080p since 1998, lol you made me laugh right there.

[solid_warlord]

I doubt an average consumer will be able to tell a difference between 720p and 1080p sitting on there sofa. I can't tell a difference when i play games or watch movies on two of my HDTV's at home, one is 720p and the other is 1080p. You will mostly will see PC geeks with there hyper sensitive eyes who can tell a difference.

[Statix]

I'd rather have a CONSISTENT 60fps at 720p, than an inconsistent framerate that drops to 35-40fps at 1080p any day. Fact of the matter is, even the latest PC GPUs currently out (HD7970, GTX680) won't be able to maintain a 100% constant 60fps on the newest version of the Frostbite engine--sorry to burst everyone's bubble. Hell, they can barely average ~40fps in Crysis 3 on the highest settings.

I'm actually happy about this news, as it shows DICE's commitment to 60fps gaming on consoles.

The game will still look beautiful at 720p, upscaled to 1080p on your HDTV. Game development is all about sacrifices, and if some resolution needs to be sacrificed to maintain great graphics, player count, and FRAMERATE, then so be it.

[tee_bag242]

People with a clue can tell the difference between 720 and 1080p.

[Tei777]

It all depends on the size of on your TV

[Statix]

As long as I get 64 players with a consistent 60 fps, I'm happy. I'll sacrifice some resolution for gameplay. Bring it on!

Fanboys will whine about 720p instead of 1080p. Well, the fact of the matter is that DICE has to compete with Call of Duty (also 60 fps), and the only way they can do that is use a lesser resolution. Consistent 1080p at 60fps on the latest, greatest Frostbite engine just ISN'T POSSIBLE, even with the the latest graphics cards currently out (HD 7970, GTX 680). I guarantee that Call of Duty will be 720p on next-gen consoles as well, in order to keep the framerate and graphics looking good--thus, DICE had to follow suit.

Gameplay, framerate, and graphics >>>> resolution.

[Ju]

Player count should not be an issue on the PS4 at all (no idea about next-box). It has an ARM based sub system which does nothing but handle network traffic (those PCI cards cost a fortune on PCs still). This should allow of handling network traffic without touching the main cpu.

If they are competing against CoD they have already lost. CoD sacrifices quality to get 60fps. I don't need 60fps BF. That's why I'm not getting CoD. Seriously.

[xPhearR3dx]

Ummm are you crazy? I highly doubt BF4 will be a HUGE graphical leap like Bad Company to BF3 was. I can run BF3 with 64 players, 1080P, 60FPS with ease. That's off 660 TI SLI. Also the 680 isn't the latest GPU (My 660 TI SLI is actually better than a single 680) but there's also the 690 and the Titan.

If the PS4/Next Xbox can't run every single launch game at 1080p w/ 60FPS, there's no reason to release one or even both of those consoles. We've been at 30FPS/720p on consoles for the last 7 years. We don't need another generation of that crap. That defeats the whole purpose of next-gen.

[Ulf]

@Ju,

The primary limitations on multiplayer count are animation-related, and in some cases, physics. Those are both heavyweight CPU tasks, and something that the PS3's Cell just happened to excel at.

There's are a lot of reasons only one shooter ever supported 256 players, and I guarantee that's one of bigger ones. The laptop CPU in the PS4, despite being pretty awesome, may not actually be able to compete with the Cell, in an animation cage match.

If it's anything like other AMD CPUs, "8 cores" means "8 integer cores, which share 4 floating point/vector units, in pairs". That's nice, but the 6 dev SPUs on the Cell were *extremely* good at a few things -- and vector math/animation was one of them.

[Ragthorn]

Call of Duty on consoles does have 60 fps, but not all the time, it dips on multiple occasions.
Yes it is possible to reach constant 1080p and 60fps with the latest, and greatest Frostbite engine, YOU USE THE GTX TITAN /s

[Axe99]

@ All the PC people talking about the 7xxx radeon series on PC - remember that the rendering and pretty much everything on PC is held back by both far less optimisation and the impact of the OS. That, and we really don't know an awful lot about the power of the CPU and GPU in the kind of detail to answer this question. I'm not saying that BF4 could be 1080p and 60fps on PS4, Xbox 720 or whatever, but no-one here, not even the PC people, know whether it's possible or not.

So PC people - stop saying with confidence it can't happen - you don't know. Console people - stop saying with confidence it can happen (at least at decent visual fidelity levels - I suspect the PS3 could run BF4 1080p at 60fps with no textures, lol), because you don't know either.

Let's just enjoy the game for what it is, eh, however it turns out? And hope the SP campaign is a dash better this time ;).

[jmc8888]

Wrong.

As computers get more powerful, and have more cores, the OS overhead becomes a smaller percentage.

But what IS funny is that today's consoles have pretty advanced OS'es. You're using an argument that had truth in the Sega Genesis versus Windows 3.1 or 95 era.

Now the 360/PS3's have some pretty powerful OS'es, and guess what the PS4's OS is massively increased.

The OS overhead on the PS4 is like a PC almost. You don't think all that downloading in the background and useless facecrap integration amongst other bloatware comes free from performance hit right?

Actually we have pretty good idea of what's possible, because we know the tech inside the PS4. I'm both a console gamer and a PC gamer, and have been for 30 years. From Atari 2600/Apple II to 360/PS3/Wii U/i7 920 @4ghz GTX 670 PC.

We already know that PS4 is literally a midrange 2011 GPU whose raw power is that of a ~$200 or so GTX 660. That it's 8 core CPU is less powerful than a midrange CPU on a PC from 2007-8...even if it the PS4 has double the cores. We understand that Ram doesn't increase performance, it can just decrease a potentially performance hit...yet it's not just the SIZE that determines this, but the speed and latency as well (and location..which is actually what consoles have over PC's).

Hell a year ago, just based on regular things like; cost, wattage, reliability, peripherals, and a few other factors I used an educated guess to say the PS4/720 should be around the range of a GTX 560ti and a GTX 670. Seems like I was just about right when you consider its 1.8 TFlops makes it basically a GTX 580oc or a GTX 660. Meanwhile the 720 seems to be heading for 560ti level performance.

Optimization is not nearly as big of a problem as you think it is. There might be a ton of video card VENDORS, but really only 3 true different makers...and really only 2 of consequence...Nvidia, and ATI.

One of which will be provided the guts for the new consoles based off of what...PC tech that is decently but not overly powerful so they can mass produce it in volume and provide it at low cost.

There's the difference between knowing where a bird will land exactly, and knowing that it WILL, and most likely, near some water...other birds...or near that feed on the ground.

The clues are all there, which is why most people that wish to be cognizant of whats around them, are not surprised very much by the future.

People knew the economic crash was coming. I knew it was coming YEARS in advance. Guess what we've only just begun.

I could go on about all the things possible to see beforehand, like say Cyprus and their deposits trying to be seized, but anyone with a brain knows banks anywhere in the EU (and here in the US) aren't safe places to hold you money and FDIC backing is a joke.

Just realize you are provided the tools to figure stuff out, it's up to you whether or not you take the time to figure it out.

[Pain_Killer]

For those referring to this new story as a duplicate of the previous Chiphell leak, atleast take a look at the article before reporting it.

The older article doesn't mentions 720P on next gen consoles, Frostebite 2.5, Destruction 4.0, Dyanmic weather effects, MP Maps, SP Maps, Shnghai China conformation, DLC Maps which include Great wall of China and Wake Island, Chinese/US Tanks, weapons schemes etc.

60% of the details mentioned in this article are totally new.

[HammadTheBeast]

DLC maps already being thought of? WTF!

[Walker]

720p resolution ?! MEH

[isarai]

60fps? yay!

[torchic]

exactly. switching between Black Ops and Battlefield 3 is night and day.

720p60fps > 1080p30fps

now CoD peeps can't say that they don't play Battlefield because of the low fps count.

60fps is such a massive improvement, thanks DICE

[a_squirrel]

People don't seem to realize that plenty of games didn't even do 720p, and yet they were struggling at 30fps on nearly the lowest configurable settings.

So, getting at least double that, with the excellent lighting, textures, physics and all the other technologies, nobody should be complaining.

[Ju]

BS! One of the "twichiest" shooters is UT3 which runs 30fps on the PS3 and plays as fast as CoD - and supports KB & Mouse.

Framerate has absolutely nothing to do with how fast a game can be. a) it must not dip (e.g. 30 is the absolute minimum) and b) input must be decoupled from refresh rate. Both is possible on PS4.

What you see if the fps jump up and down, and even if it skips frames or dips to as low as 25-26. But if it runs steady 30 (with some headroom?) and input lag is < 100ms (or way less) you will not notice the difference.

Dice is pulling a Crytek on us here. Quite disappointing, really.

[MikeMyers]

I'd rather see 1080p games at a steady 30fps than a 720p game at 60fps. One could only hope next gen consoles would be 1080p and 60fps but that's likely to be few and far between. 60fps doesn't seem to be a priority on game consoles but having games at 720p on all next gen. consoles is simply lame.

[neonlight45]

Well at least its better than 1080p with 30fps and 24 players.

[Plagasx]

I'd take 60fps and 64 players on consoles over 1080p any day...

Still getting on PC though..

[delboy]

I mean WTF, 720p is so last gen even WiiU can do 720p lol at Sony boys.

OT, BF4 NEEDS TO BE 60FPS,if they want to compete with CoD, otherwise the CoD crowd won't even consider it.
Hell I want it to, I'm sick of 30fps games.

[lociefer]

Dafuq? 720p and 24 players online max? Why did we need next gen thn, i srsly hope this is false news

[Pain_Killer]

720/60 FPS/ 64 Players = Next Gen consoles

720/30 FPS/ 24 Players = Current Consoles

Hopefully, Next-Gen consoles would feature higher visual fidelity than current gen parts on DICE's new Frostbite 2.5 engine.

[lociefer]

Well this is embarassing, thnx for the clarifications ^^

[GuyManDude]

And that 720p on current gen consoles was actually upscaled from 704p for memory and performance reasons, so the resolution will see a slight improvement as well.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

[Convas]

You did not read correctly.

NextGen Consoles = 720p60 w/ 64 Players same as PC
Current Gen = 720p30 w/ 24 as usual

[Merrill]

The PC is only 720p too? That can't be right.

I was really looking forward to 1080p visuals on the PS4.

[KontryBoy706]

NO it's not the same as PC. PC will be able to produce visuals above 1080p and above 60fps. Also more graphical features.

"Frostbite 2.5 would be a complete overhaul of the current Frostbite 2.0 engine with DirectX 11 compatibility only on PC."

[Pain_Killer]

@Merill, PC is the lead platform and aims at 1080P/60 FPS provided you have the hardware.

[HenryFord]

Honestly - I don't believe that. Would guess that they are aiming at bigger setups which utilize multiple display, pushing the resolution way beyond 1080p. At least I'd think that's the goal ultimatively.

[Convas]

@Kuntryboy:

Who said anything about the PC being 720p?

I said next-gen consoles will have 64 players SAME AS PC.

[Godz Kastro]

Reread article dude... I think you missed something.

[OpenGL]

720p in 3D is fine because obviously you're rendering roughly the same resolution as 1080p but with twice the geometry but I'm gonna be pretty disappointed if most games aren't in 1080p. The Radeon 7850/7870 have 32 ROPs and the PS4 is going to have plenty of memory bandwidth so I don't see why 1080p wouldn't be standard in most games.

[Cyfyxtfg]

I AM TOO HYPE

[djthechamp24]

So united states going to win again

[d0nT wOrrY]

LOL

[cyhm3112]

chinese are the evil, hahaha, we are the righteous people.

[GanjaMan]

yeah but in reality china would probably come out on top against the U.S. China's population is 1.3 billion while u.s is only 300million, so in essence china could send out 300million soldiers (as much as the u.s population) and they would still have a billion people spare :O. Also china have the resources and military these days, basically what im saying is dont fuck with china.

[a_squirrel]

Nukes kind of make people number irrelevant, especially when in density.

[Grap]

a_squirrel
u do realize china also have nukes?. it's not WWII.

[loulou]

the only problem there ganjaman is that the u.s.a is about 30 yrs ahead of anyone else tech wise. tech that is known.

their ultra secret stuff is probably double that minimum.

the bottom line is, you dont fuck with america.

i am a brit by the way.

if incase you doubt what i say, then use the first stealth bomber as just one example of americas tech. the first flights of the b117 was in 77. russia and china did not start test flying their stealth jets until 2010/11 respectively

[sandman224]

Awesome news! Battlefield 4 is going 60 frames. I can only imagine how smooth the game will play. I hope they polish the crap out of this game since they're going with 720p. That will make up for not having full HD. I'm very excited. I still play battlefield 3 on and off and all I have is the back to karkland dlc. Maybe I should consider getting the premium add on. P.s. please add bubbles I got in trouble because I said a bad thing about Microsoft.

[SignifiedSix91]

Beggars don't deserve bubbles.

[EffectO]

Apparently this thing is fake.

"The guy claimed it was from the April Edge which has "leaked" before GDC, and then in spoiler text he admits that he made it up and asked people not to kill him for it"

[Tonester925]

I want to see what it looks like. I'm not believing anything yet

[DFresh]

720P/60FPS = PS3/Xbox 360
1080P/60FPS = PS4/Xbox 720 (It better be anyway.)
Oh well I was going to pick this game up on PC anyway.

[roshi1987]

wrong

[Gamesgbkiller]

At least 60FPS...
I am really exited for the reveal :)

[Solo227]

I hope they dont make the maps even bigger... 32v32 on Next gen consoles is gonna be epic...

[TemplarDante]

60FPS YAY! :)

[chukamachine]

I'm wondering if they are trying to keep console versions the same. Sounds fishy.

xbox720 can probably only run 720p @60fps.

PS4 can probably do 60fps @ 1080p.

[TemplarDante]

@chukamachine
^agreed

[a_squirrel]

I never knew that more RAM = Higher Res.

[loulou]

chukamachine and templardante

and i am wondering if you two are really that stupid???

perhaps you two would believe sony if they said that you could link 4 ps4s together to create a flux capacitor enabling time travel...

n4g has without a doubt the worst community

[ichimaru]

I'll here you out. tell me please why you believe a console that has yet to be released is holding back another console that has yet to be released

[Drainage]

buying a 1080p tv for a ps3 was a waste of money. even for ps4 it wasnt a good investment

[specialguest]

b-b-b-but 4K!...?...4....K?? no? awww man. (walks home with head hung low and kicking dirt)

[Bladesfist]

Well I sure hope you console gamers do get 1080p. It's awesome. If it is a "supercharged" PC like sony says then it should be able to do 1080p easily with most mid - high end PCs handling 1600p atm.

[hesido]

Go download a 720p sample movie. Would you complain if games looked as good as 720p movies? I thought so. 720p is not something to write off, when there's adequate anti-aliasing.

Of course, I'd choose 1080p30fps over 720p30fps, but when you add double the amount of frames, I'd always go for 720p60fps, for any type of game, including casual games.

[hesido]

To the disagrees: I'll prepare a 60fps 720p video vs 1080p30fps as an action sequence. Do a blind test and 60fps will feel much better.

[koehler83]

I don't buy it, because that would be stupid.

[MGRogue2017]

I'd much rather prefer 30-40fps at 1080p for next-gen consoles.

[N0S3LFESTEEM]

I wonder how a single 680 with a 8350 will fair when it comes out...

[DeletedAcc]

Dont know what i prefer
720p/60 frames
1080p/30frames
Aaahh >.<
^^

[Animal Mutha 76]

I'd take it at 60fps. My biggest gripe with BF3 on xbox is the feeling its so slow when the action gets intense.

Big maps, 60fps and 720p render with lots of post process - yes please ill be happy with that for now.

[ichimaru]

excatly I play weekly and when it gets hairy: tanks firing, buildings collapsing it becomes a highspeed slideshow

[culpepper516]

they better bump up the player limit. if ps3 can run 720p 30fps then just bumping up the fps isn't good enough. hopefully they'll change something if this is true

[ambientFLIER]

You DO realize that it's going to be a much better looking game, right? It's not just a bump in the fps, and that's it...

[culpepper516]

yea obviously. My only complaint with bf3 was that the player limit was too small for some of the maps. I just assumed they were going to bump it up with the new consoles since they're many times more powerful

[SirBradders]

all i care about is if they bring 64 player lobbies like pc to the ps4 now graphics are good and all but gameplay/funness of game come first.
I watch youtube at all the crazy things people do on the pc version and i soil myself so psyched at a good fps i can enjoy finally in a good while.

[jizzyjones]

60fps more important for online than 1080 as it b upscaled to 1080 anyway. Along with better draw distance, higher res textures, better AA, 40more players (24 was far too small for some BF3 maps) ect and dynamic weather sounds awesome.

[Sizzon]

Awesome with 60fps :)

[fossilfern]

Kind of wish this was another 2142 like game with EU forces :/. Still looking forward to an upgraded FrostByte 2.5 on PC. Hope there will be hardware accelerated physics support for both AMD and Nvidia users

[MontyQ]

my pc always hits way beyond 60fps at 1920x1200 and its 2 years old

heck it well outpower the ps3/xbox720 np

[email protected]
8GB 1600mhz ram
2 GTX 580s in SLI

[leogets]

well my cock is bigger than yours

[MontyQ]

lol probley I got me a stump

[StraightedgeSES]

Wasn't 720p last gen according to Sony fans

[zebramocha]

It's a third party game.

[wishingW3L]

Killzone Shadow Fall is 1080p so don't blame the PS4 because Dice has to deal with the inferior hardware of the next-Xbox and make both versions look exactly the same.

PS4 has GDDR5 memory while the next-Xbox is outdated DDR3, on top of it, a weaker GPU too. PS4 GPU is capable of 1.8 Teraflops while the next-Xbox's is 1.2. The gap of power is much more wider than the PS3 vs Xbox 360.

[ichimaru]

please .....just stop. you look ridiculous. dice does an excellent job with the tech they have available. their like magician s really lol. but more importantly bf4 and kz may be technically was worlds apart. also the 720's official specs don't exist, until feb20 the ps4 only had 4 gigs of ram, so no one is slowing any one down. finally you mentioned the ps4's gddr5. ram has and I repeat Absolutely nothing in the known universe with resolution. even the gpu yoy listed has little to do with 1080p restriction. the cpu is your go to tool to complain about

[Qrphe]

It still is. I can't believe people fail for this rumor.

Crysis 3 runs well on an HD 58xx at 1080p yet BF4 would need an HD 78xx to just run at 720p?

[nepdyse]

I'd never play games at less than 120fps. I try to stay well over 120 in fact, even if it means dropping the resolution and sacrificing IQ.

[Tei777]

LMAO!

[nepdyse]

I can see why that would seem ridiculous to most gamers but it is what it is. 120Hz monitors, low frame latency, high framerates will give you an unrivaled experience visually and in terms of player input. And people who haven't experienced this well its their loss.

[FlyingFoxy]

60+FPS is a must, but i also have a 120hz monitor since last year.. and getting 120FPS is practically impossible at 1080P unless you have 2 graphics cards or a dual chip one.. and even then you get micro stuttering so that just brings another problem into it.

But having a 120hz monitor is smoother than a 60hz monitor even if you can only get just over 60FPS anyway. There's practically no screen tearing so no need for Vsync which reduces performance.

As it stands though a single high end card is needed for a nice experience. Until micro stuttering is fixed i won't be touching dual cards for 1080P.I laugh now at all the people who said a lot of games on PS4 would run 4K resolution, hell i was laughing when i read the comments back then as well.

[LAWSON72]

Nice to see consoles will be getting 60 fps too bad it still has 24 player. If this is true about all the pc love then i will buy it for showing love for us pc gamers. Might have to crossfire 7950s to guarantee max settings at good fps on games like this and witcher 3.

[Vladplaya]

"with PC being the lead platform for the game."

Right, just like it was for BF3, till they switched it without telling anyone. How many times can EA and DICE troll people with same thing?

And OMG rain? Really? Games been doing rain sense forever, its a special feature now? We saw sand storm and fog in Bad Company 2, and it was annoying as heck, no thank you.

Also BC2 had pretty decent destruction, so now they just going to bring that back with more derbies, but advertise it as new feature?

They are trying to so hard to create hype out of things that are already around and actually been around for sometime.

[HenryFord]

You should learn to read carefully:
Where exactly did BF3 switch the lead platform? Simply because the PS3 got early access for DLC? That's not what determines "lead platform" (also - you are able to circumvent this by purchasing premium)

The special feature is not rain, it's not snow, it's not wind, or any specific wheather at all. It's about _dynamic_ wheather. So - on one day you could play a map with the brightest sunshine, on the other day the exact same map will be drowning in rain. And that is indeed "special".

Yeah, BC2 had pretty _decent_ destruction, BF3's destruction was already way better - and BF4 will sport even better destruction (it's not only about debries, you know?). In no way they are advertising this as a _new_ feature. They specifically state "Destruction 4.0" which heavily implies an iteration of some kind (if you're not familiar with the term: 2.0 was BC2, 3.0 is currently used in BF3, 3.0 HD is used by the Closed Quarters expansion, and 4.0 will - surprise, surprise - be for BF4)

[Vladplaya]

I guess you missed news where DICE developers said that they switched lead platform for BF3 to consoles somewhere in mid development? And you can't "circumvent" that. If game wasn't created to use all potential power and advantages of PC, it simply won't be doing that on release date, no matter if has premium or not.

What so special about dynamic weather? BC2 had random ass sand storms and blizzards on maps. I guess some people might find it fun, but its also simply obscured your vision, w/e, personal preference, but I's such simplistic feature I don't even know why they have to advertise that, I am sure you don't need any special technology to make that, saying that BF3 could probably also had that no problems.

BC2 had better destruction than BF3, and I am pretty sure majority of people who played both of those games would certainly agree. In BC2 you could level about 90% of the buildings to the ground if you played level long enough. In BF3 you can only destroy certain walls on some buildings, in fact when BF3 just came out, everyone was pretty underwhelmed at how much less of stuff you could actually destroy to the ground. So they gonna bring destruction 4.0, which is going to be like destruction of BC2 but more realistic? I guess its cool, but I am just saying they could have easily done that in BF3.

Over all I am saying this is going to be BF3.5, just mentioned bunch of features that could have easily be patched into the game as DLC.

[MrAnderson]

Assassin creed 3 has dynamic weather online, it really isn't a huge deal.

[HenryFord]

Yeah - just googled it, and indeed you're right: They switched lead platform and I missed those news. But that doesn't mean s**t obviously - because the game is done so well on PC, I don't care what the official "lead platform" is. It is clearly optimized for PC very well (My point about premium is purely based on the DLC, on nothing else - I thought you meant the early release of DLC on PS3 which would account for "lead platform")

Well - I disagree, and I put about 200hrs in both games, BC2 and BF3. The non-destructive elements are the key here, because it got quite annoying in BC2 when you simply had no cover left to use...

BF3's destruction is much, much better - it is more realistic, the debris is better, the collapsing buildings are done better, etc.
They saw they had a flawed system in BC2 (which it obviously was) and fixed it to the better.

Dude... it is a special feature for BATTLEFIELD, I'm not talking about random game X, I'm talking about a multiplayer game with very enhanced graphics, 64 players, huge maps, played from above (being in a jet/heli) and from the ground, with different visuals (if you're sitting in a tank or if you're walking for instance), different terrains, etc.
You want to tell me that is not complex and a special feature for Battlefied? Then you are dead wrong. It is hardly comparable to the _static_ wheather used in BC2 (if you have - say - random "Sand storms", that is still static; Because you only have them on one map, specifically designed for this specific map - and of course: This map has _only_ sand storms, not rain/snow/etc. at once)

And your statements about "this could have been done easily in BF3" - how do you even get to such a statement? You're clearly not involved in developing such games and engines, so you cannot, on any possible account, say anything about how difficult and easy something in this regard is.
(And the dynamic wheather part isn't something that can easily be done via a patch)

But you obviously know better than the huge team DICE has put behind these games, so yeah - I'll just take your word for it.

[coolmast3r]

720P? Here we go again...

[hesido]

*60fps.

That's double the amount of spatial information for your eyes.

[coolmast3r]

60FPS is not an excuse.

[hesido]

I think it is a valid trade off from 1080p30fps.

[coolmast3r]

This is Next Gen. There shouldn't be any tradeoffs.

[Pandamobile]

You're seriously overestimating the power of next gen consoles.

There's always going to be trade offs when it comes to console game development. You can't have everything.

[MadLad]

Already seeing games not hitting 'full' HD, while Playstation fans(a vocal minority of them, anyway), without even getting their hands on the tech, claiming the next console is the pinnacle of game tech at the moment.
Seriously, we've seen what DICE did on the 360 and PS3. They are some of the most technically savvy people in the business and they are already giving us a taste of the limitations of the systems, considering this information is true.

[BLow]

Man, some of you aren't satisfied with anything. The game is gonna run NATIVELY at 720p, which is HD, and at double the framerate at 60. On top of that, there is probably going to be 64 players like the PC version. Compare that to 24 players, lower res, and lower framerate of 30(ON CONSOLES!!!). FOR CONSOLES, this is a leap. You PC guys can continue to play on your PC because your game is still going to be made. Not to mention, all the extra graphical effects that are going to be present with the upgraded engine.

Won't you guys wait until we see the game before going on this spec war and what you think the game should be at. Oh, did I mention that this is probably a LAUNCH GAME and is not even coming close of using these systems full potential. Come on people and use some common sense. This is going to be a LAUNCH GAME so just sit back a little bit and imagine the possibilities later. Hello??? Just reflect back on this gen and remember what games looked like at the beginning and what they look like now.

Why do I continue to waste my time because it seems that all yall won't to do is argue back and forth. Don't you guys get tired of it sometimes. And it's mostly the same people every freakin day. Oh well, have fun and I'll be drooling over the screen when I see it in action.

Btw, this comment is for the console people. I'm not blind to the fact that PC gamers have been playing the games like this "FOR YEARS". We all get it, well at least I do. Let us console gamers be happy and you can continue to be happy with your PC. Is it that hard to do?

[imt558]

"Man, some of you aren't satisfied with anything. The game is gonna run NATIVELY at 720p, which is HD, and at double the framerate at 60. On top of that, there is probably going to be 64 players like the PC version. Compare that to 24 players, lower res, and lower framerate of 30(ON CONSOLES!!!). FOR CONSOLES, this is a leap. You PC guys can continue to play on your PC because your game is still going to be made. Not to mention, all the extra graphical effects that are going to be present with the upgraded engine."

Nope, number of 64 players on this-gen consoles is overrun by M.A.G. - 256 players a long time ago. And don't forget Resistance 2 with 60 players in multi.player

[wishingW3L]

very true and those are last-gen games.

[BLow]

@imt558

I didn't give you a disagree but this is exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, the games you mentioned have more players but are they Battlefield. Do they look like Battlefield? Do they have destruction like Battlefield? Come on man! Look at Battlefield 3 on PC and compare that to MAG or Resistance. Night and day difference. You completely missed my point. I'M TALKING ABOUT BATTLEFIELD!!!! HELLO???

[SignifiedSix91]

I'm sorry, but mag has nothing on the graphic fidelity of BF3. Looks more like a game from ps2/xbox days...

[imt558]

@BLow

Well, KZ2 looks better than BF3 on consoles and it have multiplayer support up to 64 players.

"Warzone plays out through dynamic matches where multiple game types are played in a single round. The game ships with five different game types including Assassination, Search & Retrieve, Search & Destroy, Bodycount and Capture & Hold.[5] Online matches can connect 2 to 32 players, and they can group into six squads of up to four players. If an online match does not have a full 32 players, computer-generated "bots" can be added in to create bigger teams (but only in an unranked match). Killzone 2 also offers a clan system, which allows clans of up to 64 players to compete for "Valor Points", an in-game currency that clans can use to bet on tournaments."

[BLow]

@imt558

Ok, man. You proved your point. Killzone has maps as big as Battlefield and the same destructibility which is going to be taken up a notch from BATTLEFIELD 3. OK?!?!? Just looked at my Killzone 2 box as well as looking online and it supports up to 32 players ONLINE. 32 NOT 64. I AM TAKING ABOUT BATTLEFIELD!!!! Knock knock anybody home.

Go look at BATTLEFIELD 3 on PC running on high or ultra. Again the game is called BATTLEFIELD 3. Are you telling me that Killzone looks as good as that(I only game on console and I can CLEARLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE). That's what the game is going to look like on next gen systems at launch. Killzone was beautiful but take the goggles off please. Wow, I'm done and you can continue this conversation with yourself because I can't understand what the hell you are talking about. HOLY CRAP!! I can't be the only one confused by your logic. Have fun with yourself, please.

I need to take a break from this site because sometimes it's like talking to a rock. Too many people on here are hardheaded.

[imt558]

BLow, who cares about Battlefield. If Battlefield is so superior to MAG for example, why Battlefield can't run 256 players on map? :p

Btw. BF4 at 720p is bullshit. Is there some reliable source? No. Some Chinese guy wrote that. Sure it will be 1080p, not 720p.

[GABRIEL1030]

I would have prefered Battlefield 4 only in the Next Generation and PC ( 60FPS 0 1080P), because BF3 is the tech pinacle of the current generation . The campaign will have two factions gameplay (great ¡), a revamped Frosbyte engine 2.5, new vehicles, locations, but the campaing is too short only 6 hours and for the multiplayer I don't like China's Army , better contender is Russia.

[iRocket]

Not going day one with it, I've made a decision to not pre-order anything this year, and I'm sticking to it, but I'm intrigued. I'm going to have to upgrade my PC to make all that eye candy run on my computer.

[Sevir]

Secondly PS4 kits didn't start to reach 3rd party devs till late 2012, the earliest reports were between Oct 2012-Dec 2012, keep in mind those kits only came with half the ram Sony announced back in Feb. And even then the hardware in Sony's PS4 in Feb 2013 wasn't final as reports say that the 8-core CPU that was initially clocked at 1.6 GHz is now rumored to being clocked at 2 GHz in addition to the bump in Ram. There is always a learning curve, and I think that both the ps4 and Next gen Xbox will go for parity with launch titles.

By year 2,3 and beyond, second and 3gen Next Generation games will run natively at 1080p 60fps and with great features.

All this crap about 720/60fps being substandard is elitist talk, and if you think its easy to get game code up and running on console hardware even though its capable then you should probably get off the forums and go make games.

Battlefield 4 for Next gen consoles sounds incredible. Tesselation and radiocity aren't something ps3 and Xbox360 can do and the fact that the PS4 can do it is a boon for console gamers, I can't freakin wait.

[wishingW3L]

on top of it the old PS4 dev kits are only running on 4GB of GDDR5 instead of 8. Even Killzone Sf, a first party, was running on 4 Gigs instead of 8.

[imchuckbass]

Of course this was going to happen. A new console doesn't suddenly mean "OMGAHD EVERY GAME IN 1080p 60FPS!!" - the extra power will likely be used in other areas, such as better textures, physics etc

If you want it ALL, the only way to ever achieve this will be with a PC, because it is a modular platform.

They made a good choice with the ps4's internals, very easy to develop for but it has it's weaknesses. Sure, dev's can get more out of a discrete set of hardware, but there's only so much that devs can get out of a 2012 tablet cpu and a 2012 mid range gpu.

It's foolish to think that the little black box you bought from gamestop for $300 will outperform a gaming pc.

I have already pre-ordered my ps4 as I hope it'll have some nice exclusives. But I am also aware that the multiplats will look like shit in comparison to my pc, so I'll get those on my pc instead. You can't play at 720p or even 1080p with medium textures once you get used to 2560x1440 with full textures... it's a whole different ball game

[Hazmat13]

i kinda want to know more about the single player. so the nuke in New York is that gonna set off WW3?

[plaZeHD]

RAM does little to nothing when it comes to frame rate. The problem is the video card, which is really low end. Talking about PS4.

[kikoano]

yes its low end.I have worked for nvidia 6 years now I am in intel now.

[black911]

DEVELOPERS ARE LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[imchuckbass]

Erm have you seen Battlefield 3? Dice are amazing. The problem is that the ps4 has a low end 8 core cpu, and mid range amd gpu. Even the best dev's can only push this so far

[imchuckbass]

It's a bit pointless loading your console with a shedload of memory when there's clear bottlenecks in the other areas. Your game will still be 720p, but hey, you can have 50 chat windows and a web browser open at the exact time!

[TI_21]

These are fake.
The guy who did write those "specs" actually admitted it in the same post, but colored the sentence so it couldn't be seen on the background withoutout marking the text.

Props to him for that good trolling attempt. :D

(At least that's what I guesslate with google. :P)

[kikoano]

like nvidia says they ARE OUTDATED JUNK.

[naveenav]

what is this sony agian in 720p..why always in 720p..
sony said killzone shadow fall playing in 1080p 30 fps..
i dont know this is fake news..
ps4 it can play it 1080p..they everything learned in ps3.problems..
is this true news iam not buying ps4.. i will buy pc..good gpu.
sony will dispointed..beacuse the pc is now good...pc hardware we can change it..
sony very disapointed :(

[naveenav]

ps4 is not next generation..PC is the next generation for hardcore games

[Gamer-40]

And The Witcher 3 run 1080p/60 fps on next-gen consoles?

I think no:(

[llMurcielagoll]

At this point I do not really care for running it at 60, 30fps or 1080p resolution. I just want to be blown away by Battlefield 4 with content and gameplay. I am really sad that such great I.P is stuck with the evil overlord hellbillies of the game industry... EA.

[Detoxx]

Can't wait to see the game in action

[Tei777]

Well.... this is awkward.

[Wotbot]

I think i'st to do with having a stable game running smooth and at 720p you can have all the effects on which should make the game look great.

The PS4 may cost around $500 but let's not forget Sony will be losing money on on each console sold, so for me it's likly to cost Sony around $750 per console based on the last gen loses.

[worldwidegaming]

60 fps should be a next gen standard.
We should demand a standard.
You can put a PC game with max everything and even on the best rig you might get 1 fps (think avatar rending!)
who in the hell would bother playing that? Just work within your limits.
The people who say 30 fps is ok are the people who are slowing down the rest of us. We are not demanding much.Just smooth gameplay!

[Poodlejamas]

And they proudly said ps4 will be more powerful than most pcs for quite a longtime.
What a joke, it can't even max out battlefielf 4.
So much for next gen.

[animegamingnerd]

i rather take 60 FPS then 1080P anyways

[seanpitt23]

I call bullshit I will not believe it until EA dice says so, there should be no game in 720p next gen all should be 1080p

[e-p-ayeaH]

Killzone ShadowFall - 1080p (native i hope) 30fps
Battlefield 4 - 720p (native i hope) 60 fps

fps is much more important than resolution in my opinion but if BF4 turns out to include native 1080p and 60fps gameplay i know what FPS im buying along with PS4.

[Npugz7]

The article is fake! Wait for the official announcement!

[iamlegend9999]

Leaks are not fake

[e-p-ayeaH]

As long the visuals are truly next gen resolution might not be a problem.

[rammstein91]

im speaking as a psfan i can't ''see the future'' with ps4 like still 720p resolution,unless games will run at 1080p 60 fps.otherwise ps4 is nothing more than ps3.5

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

Sure hope this will not be the norm... I hope we will see 1080p games... even if they are running at 30fps...

but this new is not a shock... love BS Frost Engine 2.5

Same engine they just added too it... so what...

COD engine has been getting added to it since Call of duty 2 on the first xbox...

They just add so much too it they changed the name to the Modern warfare engine... still at its guys it is the same god damn engine... Not a whole new engine..

got to love marketing eh... they trun any screw they can and spin it...

[KonaBro]

This is fake. Has already been debunked by NeoGAF.

[Morris_da_Cat]

This site didn't even report the rumor right.

here is the actual rumor posted on neogaf : http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

here are the specifics:

- will be on pc, ps3, xbox360 and next gen consoles
- will be one of the first games for next gen consoles
- commander system comes back
- profile can be linked with other devices like ipad
- auto login, need internet all time, support cloud saves
- easier to pickup the game, to take care of players from CoD
- support body and voice control for this commander system
- better battlelog integration and better stats reporting
- supports video playback and sharing
- have gem store for dlc and other stuff like that
- 3 factions: russia, usa and china
- can deploy female soliders
- frostbite 2.0 engine
- pc, ps4 and xbox 720 supports 64 player maps
- 360 and ps3 will be less
- pc, ps4 and 720 will provide 60 fps
- have a demo video internally within EA,
- matching the quality of BF3 already
- bf4 will use 80% of power of frostbite 2, wheras bf3 only 30-40%
- modern story background

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

" have gem store for dlc and other stuff like that "

Micro Transactions... that is all it is...

disgusting...

[Tundra]

It's still 720p because, like every person who understands computers and their components have said, RAM doesn't mean anything if the GPU isn't fast enough. I personally wasn't expecting them to do this but I suppose they figure 60fps is a more important benefit. I can say I agree with them but this alone shows that there are some limitations already.

[jay2]

Og dear, I feel sorry for the hardware.

[bunfighterii]

People need to calm down, this is a launch title. PS4, like PS3 will take a bit of time to hit its stride. Don't expect games to push the system to its limits day one, even with the new developmental ease focused architecture.

[xc7x]

this all sounds like BF3 all over again except with enhancements. wanted BF4 to be something much different :(

[baraka007]

lmao this guy made it up to show how fanboys cheer no matter what... guess what it worked ;)

[zbg31610]

I don't mind 30fps, I'd rather have 1080p and 30 than 720p and 60. But its a fps and yeah yeah.... But seriously great wall of china as a level? PLEASE don't let this turn into COD!

[mochachino]

I hope MS is still not enforcing the rule where games are not aloud to be different on other consoles.

[yewles1]

Fake...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[XboxInnovation]

This is great news. Framerate makes graphics come to life, and makes gameplay more clear and responsive

[ExitToExisT]

Looks like i'll continue playing on my PC +x360 gamepad + HDTV :(

[caperjim]

Same here if this garbage is true. I certainly hope not. Stuck at 720p for the next console cycle?? I dont think so. PC it is.

[teo72]

Remember guys, this is a rumour until EA says otherwise. 720p might make sense on the xbox720, since the DDR3 memory is nowhere as fast as the GDDR5 in ps4. But 720p on ps4 makes no sense at all. The Ps4 can easely put out 2,5GB of data per frame (memoryspeed / 60fps), which should be more than enough for 1080p. maybe they are refering to 3d, because in order to run 60fps in 3D you need to render 120fps. 60 for each eye. I'm convinced that Battlefield 4 will support 60fps in 2D. I mean if Guerilla gamas can render Killzone 4 using only 1,5GB of data in 30fps. 8 should be more than enough for 60fps in Battlefield 4.

[ISNeko]

I'm definitely a hyped PC gamer right now, but saddened that there isn't a Wii U version. Only console I care to use right now.

[Ve_Chuy]

PS4 cant handle frostbite engine more than 720p that is 1280x720 you know how crap is that the only improve i see here is the fps: 30 to 60 so thats the ps4 can do more compare to ps3 and still miss the directx 11 effect and the antialiasing. PC platform is going to lead the future of gaming.

[Stallion]

God damn it...
Trying to boycott EA, but this is making it really fucking hard.

[OneAboveAll]

Don't care so long as it has 64 fucking players. There is NO excuse!

[Tru_Blu]

I'll take the 60fps. BF3 on PS3 can turn into a slideshow if too much starts to happen on the screen at once.

[caperjim]

I really hope this is false info. I was really excited for next generation consoles but if we are still stuck at 720p for the next console cycle im extremely disappointed.

Why even bother releasing a new console yet if it cant at least do 1080p?? I game on PC also and its a night and day difference between 720p and 1080p.

[FlyingFoxy]

i've said time and time again, PC will be the way to go for 1080P and 60+FPS because you need decent hardware to pull it off except when we get crappy made ones like Crysis. Hell, even my quad core I7 from 2008 is still kicking ass and it's over 4 years old!. All i need is a newer graphics card.

It's no big deal to buy a new high end graphics card every 3 years, you just sell your old one and put that cash toward a new one. Sure consoles are cheaper, but the performance is always there if you need it on PC.

I've been a PC gamer since the late 90's and there's a lot of games where performance is noticably better on the PC version of the game.

[PurpHerbison]

Another lame comment section. Get it together.

[taquito]

lol........so it begins

"8 gb gddr5 man, the ps4 can power the universe"

lol....720p, while the pc version will be 900p, 1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p

plus, the ps4 version will still be at lower settings

lol....8 gb gddr5.....

everyone was talking so much smack.....

the ram in the ps4 is great, its just got a GARBAGE cpu for a tablet and a laptop gpu

720p.......ewwwwwwwwwwwwww... lol

[CoryHG]

It's okay. It will do 1080p at 60 fps, you just have to pay $.99 for each incremental frame that you want. Season pass is $59.99, gives you everything.

[tubers]

Called it.. 1080p+60 fps won't be the standard..

AND it doesn't have to.

Be realistic. We have limited console hardware.

We're probably going to get a game that's 768p/30 FPS sometime during the next gen's cycle but the game will look absolutely stunning.

Console today/Gaming PC today:
mostly 720p and below (Crysis, Uncharted, Halo 4)/ 1080p beyond

Next gen/PC tommorrow:
mostly 720p-1080p/ 1080p beyond

[younghavok]

So the Wii U has a developer talk about a game being 720p and 30fps to acheive a high level of detail and people are screaming last gen tech, the PS4 gets a game, known for its technology, at 720p and 60fps with a low character count online and its, "oh well the Ram and the developers and so and so," Such double standards here but oh well. 720p or 1080p itll still look good

[ATi_Elite]

Come on bro you know N4G is overrun with Sony Fans. I remember a few threads where the Wiiu was being laughed at but it's amazing how ALL of a Sudden when the shoe is on the other foot "GRAPHICS Don't Matter"

We all know Nintendo is more into gameplay innovation than graphics and the WiiU does just that.

Good enough graphics to get more third party games while still maintaining a low price but with GREAT INNOVATION.

[younghavok]

I know, I shouldn't be surprised. Im just amazed at how blatant it is. The Wii U was flamed for pretty much this same thing but for the PS4 we get a string of excuses and in this case its okay to blame the developer. I wonder if these people are as passionate about actually playing the games as they are about talking about them

[arbitor365]

assuming this is true, EA is clearly phoning in these next gen ports to make a few more bucks. even so, it will still destroy anything on current gen consoles and the wii u.

[ATi_Elite]

8GB of GDDR5 OMG what happened?

According to "SOME" Consolers 8GB of GDDR5 would make the PS4 MORE Powerful than a High End Gaming PC and even cure Cancer.

Battlefield 4 720p 60fps.

Buh buh buh The WiiU is so LAST GEN says "some" fanboys! Well looks like it's NOT the only Next Gen console that's struggling to do 1080p @ 60 fps.

NOW Like I told many of you but yet you FAILED to listen. You can stick 100GB of GDDR6 in the Next Gen consoles BUT....

when you got a GPU that is a HD7850m (m = MOBILE) then you have Limitations. The HD7850 wasn't capable of running BF3 on ULTRA @ 1080p 60 fps so that HD7850m NO MATTER how OPTIMIZED it is NO matter how much GDDR5 you got the HD7850 just DOES NOT have the MUSCLE to achieve Gaming Perfection.

Gaming Perfection = Ultra Settings, 1080p, 4xMSAA, 8xAF, 60fps

That "One" Company left out the GPU specs for a reason cause those specs would show the PS4's limitations.

Don't get me wrong the PS4 will produce some OUTSTANDING GRAPHICAL GAMES that will blow US ALL AWAY but now we know it's limits.

Sure 2nd and third gen games will be much better but at the same time next gen game engines like Frostbite 2.5, CryEngine 3, etc. are getting more features added which will breach the limits of next gen consoles.

and those limits say NO WAY your getting anything as Graphical as Arma 3.

Crysis 3 PC Graphics on consoles = YES
Battlefield 3 PC Graphics on consoles = YES
Metro 2033 PC Graphics on consoles = YES
Arma 3 PC Graphics on consoles = HELL NO
Battlefield 4 PC Graphics on consoles = HELL NO

Please feel free to rage disagree but like I said the PS4 is gonna WOW us all but just not Arma 3 WOW or whatever the PC does next.

[angelsx]

You are fucking right bro.

[cyclindk]

So from 30 to 80 percent... I guess my mind will be blown completely.

Love the 60 FPS

Not so loving the low player count on consoles, could have used at least another four or so players in my opinion if not more.

[Detoxx]

Read properly dude, 24P on current gen and 64P on next gen consoles

[cyclindk]

Oooooohhh... yay!

[DigitalSmoke]

I don't understand people who are hung up about a "lower" player count.
What is this obsession with 64 players AT ONCE!
As if you got 32 friends you want on your team..

In my opinion, the more players in a game, the less YOU mean.
The less of a chance you have to bring any type of inpact into the match for your team to win, you mean shit in a cluster fu^@.

[Double2Seven]

We will see a lot of 720p Games on next generation consoles,next generation consoles would easily do 1080p if they ported BF3. But dice is going to up all game physics, detail, player count and vehicle count, i expect desruction to be greatly improved, and bigger maps with great textures, so 720p would be for me aceptable if the game itself gives us stuff that would blow our minds...

And its a shooter, FPS are way to important, and real 720p with a lot of detail and great textures will be wonderfull to watch :)

[SDF Repellent]

Wow, the SDF are in full force here. What do you guys expect with a system built on Mobile PC CPus and an outdated GPU,same with the Xbox 720. Remeber, if you want the best tech, you gotta pay for it. A $500 gaming system will be good for most of us, but the so called hardcore Sony fans...cough, cough, Pretentious graphics Supremacists, can only dream that their 8GM of GDDR5 can somehow pulled out a miracle of 60fps and 1080p for them, unless you are talking about a single player, pre-scripted hack and slash single player game. For games like BF, It ain't happening, folks.

[megamanX2]

"Battlefield 4 Sticks To 720P/60 FPS on Next-Gen Consoles"

lol so much for next gen consoles my pc can do way beyond 1080 with no problem. Lol ps4 is better than most pc, and its about time it outpaced my 386.

[Subzero200]

(I think holding back, the PS4 can surely do 1080p and 60FPS.)

what planet do you retards come from?

[Double2Seven]

Of course it can...even the x360 can do geaometry wars with 60fps 1080p.

But we are talking about the next generation frostbite bf game, much more power is demended.

Maybe not many pc will run the game in 1080p,and stable framerate..so its easyer for developers to target a much more comom sense goal.

The game will look amazing, dont worry so much about graphics, lets see how it plays instead :)

[Arai]

With all the AA variations I find 720p kinda weird (because MSAA is a huge performance hitter).
I wonder how trustworthy this is, should have been submitted as a rumor as nothing is confirmed yet.

[TheKayle]

what ppl was expecting ..with that cpu/gpu in the ps4? all games in 1080 60? im shocked that they reached 60 fps in 720 honestly .....a lots of games will be sub1080

but with more objects and sffects on screen of course

[Parasyte]

Can't wait! I'll be holding out for the next gen version though.

[HeroLv9]

64 players is enough to satisfy me!

[badkolo]

not this nonsense again, how does everyone know they simply took a stock gfx card and used for the ps3, is everyone 100% sure the card they used wasnt pumped up just for the ps4. unreal some of you

[HarryB]

I didn't know bf3 for pc only used 30 percent of frostbite 2s capacity. Now if bf4 uses 80 percent man that's more than double. And then you got destruction 4.0? Does it make sense to even bother with consoles ? I'm going to upgrade my pc just for this bf4.

Btw is watchdogs for pc too?

[Scroticus]

Yes, yes it is. Watchdogs is on my buy list.

But I'd say wait til GDDR6 drops next year to upgrade. I was going to go ahead and do a SLI 670 this year, but I'm going to wait.

[Heavenly King]

If there a no jaggies at all, I am fine with it.

[MadMen]

LAME 720p, out of the gate not feeling next gen being on par with expectations.

What is this the Wii U

[SprigganN4G]

1080P, 30 Frames, No AA or FXAA for consoles would be great

[Trunkz]

People are angry at Wii U yet PS4/720 will get 720p 60 fps as well. Why? It means more people on screen and more goodies rather then just eye popping graphics at 1080p, here your getting balance.

[solidboss07]

Perhaps Battlefield 5 or any successor can up the resolution without compromise? Anyway just as an example COD MW (the 1st game) was far from being HD, but it performed well visually with fast smooth single and multi player on PS3, as a multi-plat it was good, I don't worry about 720p x 60fps if it works well. Decent performance for all consoles with multi-plat games is good.
I am happy that Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers shall achieve great things with the hardware so I just cannot see any thing to be dissatisfied with right now with what us Playstation gamers will get. I have no doubts that 'a' PS4 Gran Turismo game (GT6 might use a lot of PS2/PS3 GT5 assets?) or NaughtyDog title as examples will very easily deliver 1080p x 60fps, at least.

[RE_L_MAYER]

Im sick of this shit-not so much of a new hardware playstation 4, why do I have to play 60frames if my tv can do 240

[NaAsAr]

720p/60fps upscaled to fit 1080p displays. i can live with that.

its one the features i most like about the 360.

[Pandamobile]

It's still a 720p picture.

[NaAsAr]

true but some tvs (including one plasma i own) don't do well when displaying an image that is not of the unit's native resolution. therefore, you tend to get a blurry image.

my newest tv doesn't have this issue though. and i still play on my games on my plasma. :)

[DevilishSix]

If Sony and Microsoft can't put a system out at reasonable price that will allow 1080p and 60fs on the majority of games for the next gen then what's the point? PC's can run 64 player 1080p 60fs, if these new consoles can't they should wait and launch new systems when that is feasible.

[isyourhouseonfire]

Let's be honest... BF3 was a disappointment and, as a fan, I'm scared of how its failure will affect BF4. If only about 300,000 come to play online after launch then the numbers will die off very quickly.

Shame on you EA for botching BF3!

[Shacojin]

Is this confirmation or rumor?

[PCfanboy]

PC = console for Cheaters

http://youtu.be/y68num6dONQ...
http://youtu.be/3i5Ju24RSn0

But looks better...

[annus]

Hacking on PC = kick by admin
Hacking on console = wait for patch

I know what I'd rather. Also why don't you search for BF3 hacks on xbox/ps3, they do exist. Either way I have played on PS3/360/PC and all 3 have minimal hacking. I would say PC is actually handled the best on official servers with proper anti-hacking, sure there are hackers on unofficial servers, but that's because it is hosted by people who CHOOSE to allow hackers.
Not sure what you play on, but I recall PS3 CoD4 people unplayable for weeks due to hacking, and I played CoD:MW on 360 and there were lasers, fast motion, flying, slow motion, instant levelling lobbies, the list went on, and you had to wait for that to all be patched, in which case a new hack would come out.

[Scroticus]

People, the PS4 WILL have an OS. It may not be as intrusive on RAM as the Windows OS is, but it will still be there. EVERY console has an OS.

And with the move for a social button on the controller, more internet ability, and streaming, your RAM is going to that. Not to the actual gaming. Streaming is very RAM and CPU intensive, as it has to keep some information the RAM, while the CPU processes more information.

Even with 8 cores, games have to be threaded apart to each core. If the designers can make it to where all 8 cores run for the game, then the possibilities are huge. Right now, most games only thread to 4 cores, if even THAT. And you know what that means? Ports will likely thread to a higher degree. And that means better looking and better performance PC games. So it's a win all around.

Now, as for BF4 vs. COD and comparisons, COD does NOT have ANY sort of destructible environments as of this point. The algorithms a system has to process in order to make these things work is extensive. And I bet we'll see a higher res BF coming out next year, once they've better worked with the systems coming out.

[Arai]

Bla bla bla.......fake

http://battlefieldlog.com/2...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://n4g.com/news/1213391...

[towelie1288]

my pc blows the shit out of ps4 and xbox 720 already
and pc all the way for bf4