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Microsoft not worried about PS4, waiting until E3 to reveal the Xbox 720

Microsoft isn't worried about the PlayStation 4 and are waiting until E3 to unveil the Xbox 720.

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Prodigy-X4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Okay, more hype for PS4 then.

classic2004057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

I think what microsoft is focusing on is not really what sony is focusing on, this is the reason why they have no need to show anything before E3.

Xbox tv
Kinect tv
Kinect 2.0
next gen xbox live features

Having a event for those is just a waste of time and if they have a event for gamers then its all about third party games, halo 4 and black tusk IP which is not enough. They also cant come on stage and talk specs because its weaker.

mandf4057d ago

@ classic

I disagree with your last statement. Look at it like this. Every Gen of console somebody has to be weaker. There is no way around that. Being weaker doesn't automatically make it a worse system. It's always about the games. The console with the best games is the winner. Ms only has to obtain 1080p standard to be a powerful console. There is no reason they shouldn't shoot for that goal. Tv only goes to 1080p. More powerful means nothing if you don't have dedicated developers using all the power they have. It doesn't mean the next xbox won't be a capable system. They have this event for it's developers and its fanbase. It's a unveil. Who know maybe it will be stronger than the Ps4. It doesn't matter because 1080p is 1080p.

soxfan20054057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

How do you know the next Xbox is weaker? Do you have some inside information that the rest of us don't have? More like wishful thinking on your part.

You're clinging to the false idea that RAM somehow decides what console is "stronger". The type or amount of RAM has NEVER been a deciding factor in ANY console race. People here just WANT it to be true this time because they believe that PS4 will have "better" RAM.

Look at it this way - if a souped up street car has more horsepower than a Nascar car, does that mean the street car would beat the race car on a racetrack? Not likely. It's about optimization MUCH more than raw specs. You can't play RAM.

I'd also be willing to bet that MS shows more core games (non-Kinect) at the Xbox reveal than Sony showed at the PS4 reveal. If you think MS is going to sacrifice the hundreds of millions of $$$ they make from their core games to focus on other things, you're just delusional.

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Dark_Overlord4057d ago

@soxfan

I believe classic was referring to the supposedly leaked docs by superdae, which did indeed show that the Xbox had a weaker processor and gpu as well as the mentioned RAM.

Until MS actually detail the specs, all anybody has at the present time to go by is the supposedly leaked specs :)

ALLWRONG4057d ago

No one knows what path MS will follow because they haven't announced anything yet. You're comparing rumors and speculation while trying to pretend it's real.

Evil-snuggles4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Showtime: PS4 rumoured at 1.84TF, Xbox 720 at 1.23TF
Here we go. VG247 has been told that PlayStation 4 has a 50% raw power advantage over Xbox 720, based on information out of CES.

If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 50% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720.
If latest rumours regarding next generation hardware are to be believed, the next PlayStation is to be significantly more powerful that the next Xbox.

Developer sources, speaking after meetings at CES, have told VG247 that the next PlayStation, codenamed Orbis, will have a run-capability of 1.84 teraflops. Conversely, the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will be able to achieve 1.23 teraflops.

If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 50% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720.

While PS4 will have greater grunt that 720, however, the Microsoft machine has significantly more RAM at 8Gb, we’ve been told. Our source said that 3Gb is reserved for the OS, apps and security, leaving 4-5Gb for games.

Orbis will have 4Gb of RAM, said our source, of which 1Gb will be reserved for for OS, security and apps, leaving some 3Gb for games.

Both machines will supposedly have have the ability to read 100Gb Blu-ray discs.

Durango is apparently based on the Radeon HD 8770 GPU.

PlayStation 4 has been previously rumoured to be built on AMD’s A10 APU.

It was recently claimed that the two machines are to be announced in late March. It’s widely assumed that both consoles will launch in November this year Nelson laugh HA HA

madjedi4057d ago

@snuggles Sony already made 8 gigs of Gddr5 official, which is faster and has significantly higher bandwidth than ddr3, hence why the 720 will use edram to compensate for the lower bandwidth of the ddr3.

How it was possible to miss the 8 gigs of Gddr5 ram in the ps4, did you fall down a well.

I think it perfectly justified to assume the 720 is the weaker of the two consoles, look at where ms's priorities have been the last 3 or 4 e3's.

That could change with new info, we will see even if the 720 is weaker it will still be a authentic next gen console.

@article That would be a very stupid action, sony has people talking about the next gen sony console and games.

Unless ms isn't going after hardcore gamers this gen, they need to counteract all the ps4 talk, by showing 360 owners something to get them excited for the 720.

If ms isn't going to talk about next gen, sony will do it for them.

The 16 million views on youtube for the playstation conference, wasn't just from sony fans.

Ju4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

GDC is comming. I'd like to see how there will be no "public" talk about the 720 while Sony will use this again to present it to devs (and leak it to the public). That's before E3. And then E3...

I don't know. MS will keep trash talking; but they own the press. It's America's darling. It will still be an uphill battle for Sony in the USA.

SkyGamer4056d ago

Amd came out and stated the next Xbox will be able to achieve Avatar like graphics, that is ray tracing. They never said that for the next playstation. Amd is supposed to be running the guts in both Xbox and playstation. You can't do ray tracing on laptop specs, ps4. Maybe with an opteron CPU by amd. Regardless, if both have laptop specs, I'll sit out nexgen and just buy an a10 laptop and emulate ps4 games natively.

SkyGamer4056d ago

Even my 2 year old PC would run circles around Nexgen. Really disappointed.

AMD Phenom2 1100t be 3.33 3.8 turbo
zalman 9950
16gb gskill ddr3-1600
240gb ssd sata3
640gb wd black sata3
2tb wd green sata2
1.5tb wd green sata2
nvidia gtx570 superclocked
antec 902
apevia 700 watt aquos

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jimbobwahey4057d ago

I thought everybody already knew that Microsoft would reveal the next Xbox in April? This article is just desperately fishing for hits.

PeaSFor4057d ago

"Microsoft not worried about PS4"

sure...., like if in buisness you shouldnt be worried at what the competition does.

FunAndGun4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

nevermind... misunderstood ya.

Derekvinyard134057d ago

I'm glad there's competition makes it better for us gamers

THEDON82z14057d ago

PeaSFor I am with you, the common knowleadge(if you go by history) is simple microsoft is wooried as shit and is looking for a way to up Sony.If they had so much confidence they would have atleast sayed they will be announcing somthing in april or whatever date. Sony fucked there calculations up by doubling there ram an now the litle advantage they had if any is worthless because developers have to go through extra extra steps to make it run optimal. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PS3 YOU SEE THE FACT THAT IF YOU DONT HAVE 100s OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS investested in first party software you cant win and that is why ps3 has now outsold xbox360!!!!

CouldHaveYelledUiiW4057d ago

Now I don't have to ask-

I thought they were going to reveal in April too.

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zerocrossing4057d ago

Im obviously interested in what MS has to show tech wise with their nextbox but I just don't see what they can bring to the table 1st party/exclusive games wise that'll interest me, Gears and Halo have run their course IMO.

MikeMyers4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

True. Sony seems to have made a checklist of what to do. Easy to develop, an online service that is likely to rival if not overshadow Xbox Live, tons of power compared to the only other console (The Wii U), a history of diversified exclusives, good relations with big publishers and wanting to work with smaller devs and the indie scene.

Obviously we will have to see the price points of each and what games will actually be available at launch. Microsoft really needs to start addressing their own concerns. Reliable hardware out of the gate, a free way of playing games online, what restrictions they (and Sony) will have on used games and DRM schemes, new IP's that hardcore gamers can appreciate, making Kinect into an actual adversary to hardcore games.

I'm very open to see what Microsoft will offer. I am not going to have any judgements beforehand like many others here are. I was very open to the Wii U and while it does offer some interesting gameplay mechanics I am going to continue to wait until more games come out that interest me.

hennessey864057d ago

A fourth killzone title........who knows what Microsoft will unveil, I'm ready to go ps4 only if Microsoft go casual but until we actually no it's all speculation.

zerocrossing4057d ago

@hennessey86

I never said I didn't mind a 4th Killzone game, that's putting words in my mouth.

I just don't care since Im not a fan of that franchise, anyway Sony have a ton more IP's that are in my preference for me to choose from.

ALLWRONG4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Maybe MS will end up with more exclusive games and content next gen like they did this gen. (Use google and check the facts before claiming I'm wrong.)

@Why o why 360 also has more retail exclusives. That's why I said check google first.

Why o why4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

a next killzone on top of new ips...balance. It can work like that. Lets hope ms do bring more to the table for their fans. Wake up the sleeping hits like crimson skies. Tired of people talking about a comparable amount of studios ms have when they're not churning out a comparable amount of games PLUS sit on original xbox ips. C'mon MS shut me the ef up and throw us some new bones

@ All wrong.....Deluded. Even some of the most balanced and ardent 360 fans would like more new ips and exclusives...xbl games are great and nothing to be scoffed at but lets be honest. We're talking about full price games..gears, uncharted, mario, forza, you know.. stop gassin.. ms sony or nintendo would never push the boat out if all of their fans were like you. Hell, even I want sony to produce more however unreasonable it sounds especially when they produce more anyway. Their finances aren't my primary concern. Games please of 'ga long'.....'keep it moving'....'jog on'

DigitalRaptor4057d ago

@ ALLWRONG

I'm sorry but games like Alan Wake and Splinter Cell aren't exclusive.

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adorie4057d ago

Heh. Microsoft popping their collar during the PS4 hype? E3 is radiating and it isn't even here yet.

ATi_Elite4057d ago

Cause Microsoft isn't really worried about CORE GAMING in General.

Microsoft is more concerned with the X720 being a Multi-media machine than a Gaming system.

MS Knows it can just Buy timed Exclusive Gaming content and make cash through Multi-plats while they put real effort behind Kinect for kid sales and Xbox TV/ Cable subscriptions for family stuff that the Next BOX is gonna have.

Sony = focused on Great games
MS = focused on Subscriptions of media

X720 will have just as much power as a PS4 but just done in a different way just like the PS4 will have lots of media but just Streamed through Gaikai while MS has content hardwired through cable and the MOVE ENGINES in the X720.

Both Systems are fighting it out for control over the Living room but just going about it in different ways

ZoyosJD4057d ago

The move engines are not going to be able to compensate for the 3x difference in bandwidth between DDR3 and GDDR5. While GDDR5s latency issues can be overcome by preloading especially with such a massive amount of RAM.

I would love to see MS wait till 2014 and have a DDR4 and GDDR6 system that might actually make a difference, but I just don't see them waiting that long or matching the PS4s capabilities without a nearly identical architecture before then.

shoddy4057d ago

I agree with Ati.
Just like xbox and Sony fans.

MS focus on the sales and Sony focus on pushing games to the max.

dcbronco4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Considering Sony is still on the verge of bankruptcy, they need to learn to make better decisions instead of focusing on appeasing a handful of customers. For all of their exclusives and concentration on core gaming and free services they have lost a ton of money on gaming this generation. Gaming is the main thing standing between Sony existing or going off a cliff in the next few years so they had better figure out a better balance than pushing out a bunch of exclusives that lose more money.

They have shown signs of smarter decisions in gaming by moving KZ to next generation while leaving games that will sell for sure like GT6 for the PS3. Rumors of several tiers of online service so that they can stop bleeding money for free stuff is another sign of smarter decisions. All of Sony's pushing the core will eventually lead to Sony not making much of anything anymore if people continue to not buy them. So if you really believe those exclusives are so great, you need to buy them. Because Sony will have no choice but to move closer and closer to what Microsoft is doing if you don't.

If you don't believe those low sales of Sony exclusives are hurting Sony, just use a little common sense comparison to Journey. Journey was well received and sold extremely well. Yet the developer almost went under. Sony has made a whole lot of exclusives that didn't sell well and cost far, far more to make. If Thatgamingcompany didn't make money, you can bet most of those Sony exclusives lost a lot more.

MS is focused on running a viable business. It's the only reason to run a for-profit company in the first place. Not to get cheered over a cliff by fanboys.

AngelicIceDiamond4056d ago (Edited 4056d ago )

Or how bout MS never left core gaming in the first place?

Or the fact that MS tried to do to many things at once with the 360. Kinect, Entertainment, and core gaming.

MS doesn't have enough support or resources to tackle all those things at once including releasing new Ip's Rare, Lion Head, Crytek, Ruffian Games, Black Tusks and Remedy have all been busy with the 720 for that past couple of years therefor can't release new core games on Xbox.

MS wants to start fresh with the 720 and introduce brand new core games.

That'll be different with the 720, MS has way more resources and studios. Thus better prepared to announce new entertainment along side the next big exclusive core Ip. That's currently not possible with the 360.

I'm tired of this illusion of MS not being about gaming. If that were remotely true then MS wouldn't have a mass library of games through out its life cycle? If MS didn't care about the core they wouldn't release Gears, Halo, exclusive arcade titles and timed DLC. No Ip's but I big name titles that people want.

Now

Sony didn't focus on Move to much this gen because they know that would take up resources and rather use those resources for new Ip's.

MS did focus on Kinect because well, it was popular and high selling. Kinect was coming out with great games but soon fell flat because Kinect only games outside of dancing and sports is a failure due to limitations and poor implementation.
https://www.google.com/url?... So MS highest rated Kinect only game is Dance Central 2 with an 86 rating the rest are 30's and 50 ratings.

So why in the world would people think ms, MS would go back to something that failed them? Everyone knows that's not how MS works, they'll implement Kinect in the 720 in better way. Take "Better With Kinect" featured in core games. Those were popular because not only did it work but it was a natural fit.

MS will 100% bring the games come next gen, you'll have to be blind to think other wise.

As far as MS "not worried about the PS4" MS is either doing some hardcore Bluffing or have something that's super badass under wraps.

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SilentNegotiator4057d ago

Microsoft not worried about Ps4?

*clicks "No way"*

lol

Evil-snuggles4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wants to change that. In a speech at a developer conference in Japan yesterday, Ballmer promised "Next box" released in 2012 and is looking to utilize a “natural user interface.” And the best weapon in the Microsoft arsenal is Kinect – the device-less motion interface system for Xbox gaming systems. Wow Nelson laugh HA HA

Ben124057d ago

YOU DIDNT HERE THE NEWS MICROSOFT HAS DECIDED NOT TO BRING OUT A NEXT GEN SYSTEM. INSTEAD THEY WILL JUST KEEP XBOX 360 FOR ANOTHER 5 YEARS AND THEN BRING OUT THE 720. LOL LOL LOL LOL

ICECREAM4057d ago

They should not rush the console again otherwise I see RROD all over again.

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iNFAMOUZ14057d ago

there never was hype for ps4 to begin with LMAO, it died off like 2 days after.

Xbox 3, be scared, be very scared >;)

MysticStrummer4057d ago

Can you not read? There's been all kinds of hype from developers, fans, and the industry in general.

Ju4056d ago

No hype, huh? That's why every headline has PS4 in the title, even if we talk about the next xbox. Right?

MysticStrummer4057d ago

"Microsoft not worried about PS4"

Sony wasn't worried about 360.

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LOGICWINS4057d ago

If Microsoft has the balls to wait until June to reveal a console, then they clearly have something that they feel confident with.

Nyxus4057d ago

I hope it's not just Kinect 2.0...

Chuk54057d ago

Kinect isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't have a problem with it, so as long as it works and it isn't invasive. Current connect is intresting, but horribly flawed and poorly implemented.

Murad4057d ago

It's probably that everything is now DRM.

DoesUs4057d ago

@Green. Nope, Nvidia are not involved. Same specs as have been leaked...for the umpteenth time. Your fall from grace will be spectacular if you keep this up.

MS and Sony are going in 2 somewhat different avenues.

Both won't be worried about each other to be honest.

Evil-snuggles4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

It's com sense that the Xbox 720 will be under powered compared to the PS4 the Xbox 720 is gone to ship with a kinect 2.0 in every 720 console to keep cost in step with PS4 it makes sense to lower spec on the console to keep cost down Shift cost from hardware to kinect 2.0 Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wants to change that. In a speech at a developer conference in Japan yesterday, Ballmer promised "next box" released in 2012 and is looking to utilize a “natural user interface.” And the best weapon in the Microsoft arsenal is Kinect – the device-less motion interface system for Xbox gaming systems. Read it and weep xfanboy

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Godmars2904057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Or nothing that's going to truly top the PS4's specs. Showing what they have to show when it'll be most impactful to the general consumer market as apposed to the gaming industry.

In other-words: the PS4 might be better in regards to gaming development, whereas Xbox3 will be a cable box which has Halo and COD.

@Chuk5:
Isn't the thing about Kinect is that currently it doesn't work in general, only with certain/simple games, and by the patients floating around, by its next iteration it could become very evasive? Be more of value to MS as a marketing and ad tool than any real use to consumers expected to use it.

Dj7FairyTail4057d ago

gaming is not about specs
it about users experiences and a console that will bring a lot games to us by developers.

In the end every console need to be different so that every console can sell.

If Wii u-PS4 are the system with Great Exclusives and have multiplats that 720 have there is no point of getting the next xbox.

Knight_Crawler4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

You know what would be great...if both consoles are equal in power and games.

Then PS loyalist and XBOX loyalist wont have any ammo to throw at each and N4G would finally be a neutral place with PS and XBOX fanboys giving each other agrees and bubbles.

Edit: I wonder what people like strong man would do if both consoles equal in everything since they wont have a purpose in life.

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Godmars2904057d ago

No. I want games - JRPGs, sprite-based side scrollers, beat-em ups and a few Star Fox style flight sims. Decent apps for BlipTV, Dailymotion, even Youtube and not having to pay for them since I now. BR/DVD.

With all the shoehorning of social function and pay2play/DRM I'm not getting most of that.

I think and will continue to repeat that the current console cycle was rushed into. Was broken as a result and all the petty bickering on all sides only made it worse.

Would hope that the next gen would fix some issues, but we're all bring too much with us for all to go away or even get better.

BlueTemplar4057d ago

@greenpowerz Do you seriously believe Sony dont have a console?

You think they had that big reveal and went to great expense to develop games such as Killzone, Knack, etc for a laugh?

You think the likes of Blizzard, Bungie, Capcom, etc are just going along with an elaborate charade for shits and giggles?

You probably do actually believe all of the above. In which case I have abject pity for you as that would make you very special indeed.

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SuperLupe4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Well its not like its MS that lost 50% of their market share this gen.

Sony fanboys were acting the same last gen before the 360 and PS3 launched ... we all know how that ended.

edit: specs sure didnt help Sony win this gen, on the contrary they went from hero to zero. I wonder what on planet earth makes Sony fanboys think it will this time. Talk about amnesia.

Unicron4057d ago

We all know how it ended. Both got trounced by Nintendo. You're fighting over an imaginary second place. It's sad. Just play games.

zebramocha4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

@super But the overall sales of the ps3 is similar to the 360,even though Sony had a higher price tag,their on line wasn't as mature as Ms in the beginning,it launched a year after the 360 and Ms secured content first on high profile games.

@uni no one cares for the wii getting higher overall sales because it had two things going for it,cheaper price and motion control.

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OSIRUSSS4057d ago

Yep, this Gen, last Gen,next Gen, Sony with the most sales is how it ends.

Dmagic4057d ago

with xbox in last place again.

Evil-snuggles4057d ago

PS3 sold more game console than Xbox 360 1 million and a half more than 360 PS3 over 77 million 360 76 million. World wide sorry to break it to you

SuperLupe4057d ago

First of all thank you for your imaginary figures.

Last gen:

- PS2 100 + million
- Xbox 25 million

Thats a 75 million difference ...

And now you're here trying to prove a point with a 1 million gap for Sony ... geez oh how the mighty have fallen ... how they have fallen indeed !

Clarence4057d ago

Yeah we know how that ended. 360 1st to the market last gen, but still ended up in last place.

Sony is the only company to break 100m console mark twice, and will do it again with the PS3.

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GalacticEmpire4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

OR they don't have enough to beat what Sony has shown already and they're struggling to pull something together, it's a possibility. It's not like MS to just let go of the spotlight like this, they are notorious marketing hogs.

Sure MS, you might not be worried now but if you leave it too late...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u...

kickerz4057d ago

I wander if they're waiting so long cause they have something amazing to show and don't want anyone to copy this idea.. just a thought.

BlueTemplar4057d ago

"If Microsoft has the balls to wait until June to reveal a console, then they clearly have something that they feel confident with."

Or theyve had to have a rethink following the ps4 reveal.

jlemdon4057d ago

I totally agree that MS is confident,not just with the kinnect. They probably gonna put 64mb esram to compensate the GPU processing power.

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Chuk54057d ago

That is dumb.

Your speculation is dumb.

ICECREAM4057d ago

Are they confident?
Remember what happened with ps3 after delaying the launch and they are not Sony, they will never be able to recover from the delay dilemma with confidence.

SandWitch4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Well, they do not need to worry. PS4 should be fine methinks

Raiz4057d ago

bullS*&^T... source close to site predicting..... waste read.. site hungry for hits.....

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere9h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN7h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos4h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

PassNextquestion9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger7h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto8h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos8h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long5h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel7h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator7h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg10h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos9h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola5h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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