A recurring theme with the comment system here is that more often than not, if you're a fan of something and you say something positive in a related article about that something, you'll receive a lot of agrees and bubble ups. And this is perfectly fine.
What I don't understand is when people agree with an obvious troll. This has happened on negative articles pertaining to any of the big three console manufacturers. When the PSN hack attack occurred, this spurred a number of trolls who would repeat the phrases "It only does offline" or "You get what you pay for." Juvenile to say the least, but the general consensus was that they were right, and maybe they were. But why the blue hell would you give agrees and bubbles to trolls who notoriously spews hatred toward Sony on ANY related article? This happened a LOT, not just on N4G, but on other websites as well with characters who were notable trolls having nothing short of a hey day with all of the news regarding the hack attack.
The issue is even more prevalent on Nintendo articles right now, with a number of trolls occasionally getting MORE agrees than disagrees (sometimes even getting bubbles back that were previously removed) on Nintendo articles that are more negatively received than others. Are people really so thick that they feel the need to agree with someone whose criticisms are not even all that serious or honest to begin with? Trolls are to incite arguments by making outrageous or inflammatory statements. At what point did it become acceptable to use this to stroke one's own ego?
I'd like to stress a point in particular and if I could write it in bold, I would; If you don't like something a company is doing then you are more than within your right to criticize it. But why would you ever indulge a troll who spews hatred all of the time?
Unless you're ignorant of said troll's behavior, I'm not sure I see where the justification is. It's bad enough that honest users can hardly engage in mature debate within this community, but do we really need to be indulging trolls too?
The next to time an article that pops up about a company that is not your favorite and portrays them in a negative light, think very carefully about how you approach it, despite your base. You could be a big Xbox fanatic who does not like Sony consoles. Maybe you're a Sony fan with no interest in Nintendo. Maybe you prefer to stick to Nintendo products, or maybe you have a combination of the three. Whatever the case may be, it's okay to have your opinions and criticisms, but don't indulge trolls just because they're saying something you happen to agree with.
There's one age old tactic that typically works that even I admittedly fail to do at times; ignore them, don't feed the trolls.
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There's a a thin line with the definition of troll on this site. You say anything that is less than praise for a particular console and you are automatically branded a troll.
I wouldn't worry too much on the whole agree/disagree feature since it does not determine if you lose a bubble or not. Which in my opinion is useless since it serves no real purpose.
"The issue is even more prevalent on Nintendo articles right now"
Of course you turned this into an issue of Nintendo being the victim....
There's a reason that Nintendo is getting a lot of criticism ("hatred") right now. SOME people just can't separate what is "hatred" and what is criticism. What we get in response is people "not wanting" AAA games and comparisons to systems that have NEVER had a month of sales as low as Wii U's latest (or 'better' yet, using Vita as a cop-out for Wii U).
@ SilentNegotiator.You see that is where you are wrong. Constructive criticism is different then just whining and constantly repeating the same sentence or statement over and over again.You see that is where people get it wrong . There is a fine line between criticism and just plain ignorant trollish behavior.If i say 'You know I hope Sony's security on the PS4 is better this time around.I wouldn't want what happened before to happen again and ruin our fun and mess Sony up again'. That is a talking critically about the PS4 and being constructive and polite so we can have a conversation. But if you say.I bet Sony's PS4 is going to have crappy security this time around.I swear if it happens again I am going to Microsoft and if any Sony fanboys disagree they are a bunch of idiots to think Sony will ever get it right'. You see people on N4G think that is constructive criticism.
Also repeating the same point constantly or simply making statements like 'Whatever system or game sucks' is seen whining and trolling.So just because you critize something doesn't necessarily mean that you want it to get better. If you did you would critize it properly and not behave in the ways I spoke of with clear constructive reasons for you opinions.
So in short I think most people are fine with constructive criticism but the kind of 'criticism' N4G seems to think is appropriate for a conversation is not appreciated.People who are smart can easily tell the difference between pure hatred and actual concern for the subject being mentioned. For example people who talk about Sony not revealing the console talk about how they wish they could have seen the physical case but people who talk about invisible consoles and how the PS4 doesn't really exist are not being critical or are concerned about the PS4 but are there to cause chaos not try and make things better.I mean the kind of 'criticism' I see on N4G, is that how they behave in real life? If so they must always be in a arguments and getting punched in the face. I think many people do not know the difference between being obnoxious and being critical of something
***"Why Indulge Hatred?"***
The same reason why people submit flamebait articles.
I'm going to assume by troll, you mean the obvious ones who will make some inflammatory comment which usually has nothing to do with the article, or twists the title or article in such a way to make their opinion seem right with no real substance to said comment.
This really isn't exclusive to any one system, and while Nintendo has gotten a lot lately, over the course of this generation, and every previous one, every other system has gotten it as well. Nintendo is just the hot topic right now. Before the Wii U release, Vita was the hot topic. Such is the way of our community.
The only way to really get rid of trolls, or at least lessen their impact, is to get people to stop responding to them. Look at any of Mika's posts and you will see that the first comment of almost every article was filled with a troll comment, followed by way too many responses that is just killed the discussion(from yourself included I believe), as most people don't read down that far into an article. Sometimes it's very easy to get pulled in like that, and I daresay that we have all been guilty of it. All that being said, indulging the trolls happens whether you agree with them or not. "Don't feed the trolls", is a very old saying on the internet, it just hasn't worked, and likely never will.
I don't personally take issue with trolls, as they are just that. The bigger problem I see is that those with valid criticisms, whether being a fan of that system/game/dev/publisher/what ever or not, often get lumped into the troll or fan boy category. It's pretty rare to get an actual point/counter-point discussion going on with people who can address the actual comment in question in a intelligent and respectful manner. In fact I think there are only about 6-7 people on here who I've managed to do so with with any regularity.
What's sad, is that when you finally do get one of these discussions going, you can quickly run out of bubbles, which stops the discussion dead and the topic dies quickly as opposed to being discussed for as long as it takes to come to a consensus, or an agreement to disagree. What's even sadder is that to fix that, you are welcoming every troll to chime in as often as they like hijacking the thread.