Tretton On MS: “We’ve Sold the Same, if not More”, “We’re Trying to Say We’re All About the Gamers”

With everyone gearing up for the next big console war, tensions are rising between Microsoft and Sony.
-PSLS

[Foolsjoker]

Bring the games!

[Root]

This is why I like Sony they always think about gamers while others latley think too much about money. I mean Sony is a business and they are obviously interested in money aswell but after their little financial situation they could of easily forced casual crap down our throats and charged for the online but they didn't, they stayed true to what gaming is about.

I have to admit I like Jack aswell, he's a fantastic speaker at conferences...even when he's going on about sales and other boring details about the company and the PS3 you still manage to keep up with him without falling asleep.

As people would say about Ace Rimmer

"What a guy"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S...

[Death]

Root...

Sony used their Playstation fanbase to secure Blu-ray as the dominant format over HD-DVD. None of the promises of Blu-ray that benefits gamers came true. The "Cell" was also a marketing term that never had an impact on games or gamers. Sony traded marketshare in the gaming market for Blu-ray sales. The entire year they lost to Microsoft was due to Blu-ray laser issues.

I see the same thing with PS4 specs. Promises of what can be with nothing to back it up. The Vita is a great handheld full of possibility but very low on support. What assurances do we have as gamers that devs will utilize the potential either next gen system has?

I've been around for every console launch since the 70's. The cycle is always the same. Impressive specs and a tease or two about the possible future wrapped in fancy marketing terms.

[NeverEnding1989]

Root...

You gotta realize that SONY cares just as much about money as every other company does. Actually they probably care more about it since they've been losing so much of it lately.

The PS4 needs to pull in Xbox 360 kind of money if there's any hope of seeing a PS5 one day.

[Gazondaily]

@Root

They weren't always doing this. With the PS3 they basically tried to do what MS is purported to be doing next gen and that's focus on entertainment as a whole, not just gaming. The shift in catering for gamers really happened in the latter part of the PS3's life cycle.

This strategy works financially for the company too.

[That-Guy]

Root...

Tree.

On topic, Microsoft needs to step it up. Last few years haven't been hot and Sony's still thriving to deliver.

[gaffyh]

@Death - "None of the promises of Blu-ray that benefits gamers came true".

Actually, that's not true at all, because there is nothing available on any current gen system that looks anywhere near as good as the Uncharted franchise, God of War 3 or MGS4, and a big part of that is the fact that 1, they are exclusive and can therefore utilise the system to full advantage, and 2, they haven't had to cut content due to lack of disc space.

Secondly, you can't compare a handheld with a home console in terms of support. PS4 will be supported much more than Vita. And PS4 is too close to release for the specs to change, so everything you're saying is a bit unrealistic.

[mcstorm]

@gaffyh I have to disagree Gears 3, Halo 4 and Forza 4 were up there with the games you said. and Root was right sony tried to do what they did with the PS2 and Make its media becomes the most used. But MS knew that the world was looking to go down the digital root and left Sony playing catch-up in that department. For me Sony dropped the ball in a big way with the PS3 the hardware and software they used was looked at all wrong and if you look at the PS4 you can tell they noticed that and made massive changes.

Every company makes mistakes in its products but what makes ones a success of a company is the ones that take those mistakes and makes sure they don't make them again and with the PS4 it looks like they are doing this.

[JoGam]

ROOT...

Nothing, just wanted to say ur name.

[MikeMyers]

mcstorm,

The reason things were so heated between the Xbox and Playstation community is because of how close they are to gamers. People act like Killzone 3 is so much better than Halo 4 on a technical level, same with Forza and Gran Turismo. They aren't. This isn't like a high end PC compred to the PS3 or is it like the Wii to the Xbox 360. It's much more minor. In fact the gap in technical capabilities between the original Xbox and the PS2 were higher. But the problem was the PS2 was such a dominant console that developers didn't often use that extra horsepower or the hard drive advantages. So it's awfully convenient of Sony fans to talk about how the PS3 is so much more powerful and how games were dumbed down for it because of the Xbox 360. They are already talking about how the PS4 might get dumbed down ports because the next Xbox might not be as powerful. It goes on and on between Sony fans and Xbox fans. It really is getting tiresome. If they really want the best they would be supporting the PC more in the first place.

I also have to laugh that forum analysts think Microsoft will just come out with a bunch of Kinect games on the next Xbox and perhaps a new Forza and Halo and call it a day. All this optimism for Sony but rarely for Microsoft. It's been like that from Sony fans since the original Xbox came out.

The original Xbox got Microsoft in the door in a very competitive market. Then with the Xbox 360 they took marketshare away from Sony and created parity among the two. No longer does Sony have that upper hand anymore with key franchises from 3rd party publishers that make up the bulk of each systems history. This has forced Sony to deliver more with their own internal developers. We have seen that not all of them have become success stories while we watch Sony invest lots of money and not always getting returns back.

Both the PS4 and the next Xbox will have favorable userbases to get them started. Neither really has much of an advantage over the other. The forums are not a great place to have a placeholder on how these new systems will do. You will always have your loyal fanbase in total support but that doesn't really mean much at the end of the day. A perfect example is the Vita. Great system, very loyal fanbase but the sales just aren't there to back it up.

Microsoft has taken advantage of the casual gamer and the hardcore gamer. Now it is in their best interest to gather support from all aspects of gaming. Just like how Sony is now doing and emphasizing social gaming. It's all coming full circle where we can have game systems that can appeal to all types of gamers. From AAA games like Killzone and Halo to smaller games like Journey and Fez to games like Wonderbook and Kinect Sesame Street. The hardcore gamers are just going to have to accept casual gamers. They will also have to accept social gaming. There's just too much money for both companies to simply ignore. But yes, Microsoft does need to strike a better balance. I think they needed to be very aggressive with Kinect in order to make sure they can capture that audience. The Playstation Move by comparison is a great product that had terrible support and terrible marketing. You can see Sony is still trying to push that as well. So hopefully they can get more success with it and hopefully Microsoft isn't too aggressive with Kinect going forward. It's about balance.

[nveenio]

Sony caters to the hardcore because that's where the LASTING money is at. Nintendo thought they could release WiiU and have it be another great console because of the Wii name, but casual gaming is a fad. Sony knows that casual gaming could disappear in an instant. (And even if it doesn't, who wants to make games that sell for $0.99 each?) But the hardcore gamer will always be there, willing to spend $500 on a console, willing to spend $60 on a game (in many cases, even before the game is released).

Their care for the gamer is not altruistic. It is a business model designed to last beyond passing fads. Even as we speak, my interest in casual games has dwindled. I haven't visited the App Store in weeks. Casual gaming just doesn't interest me anymore...and I can't be the only one.

[blackbeld]

Yep,

"We look at the market in worldwide terms, and every market is extremely important to us. The facts are, we debuted the PlayStation 3 at $599, which was an extremely steep price barrier for a lot of consumers. And we debuted a year after Microsoft, but on a worldwide basis, we’ve sold the same, if not more, devices. I think we’re at 77 million sold right now — it’s basically splitting hairs. Despite all that, our message has been extremely well-received around the world."

But the xbox fanboys are still in denial. LOL

[Jockamo]

Nice post MikeMeyers. Insightful and fair. Personally, I think the Xbox needs to introduce something new to the market. I was honestly surprised to see how conservatively the PS4 has been developed. Yes graphics are important, but w/ dimishing appeal as years, even months pass by. I think they needed to show something that makes the PS4 more unique than the PS3. There's more to it than just appeasing a fanbase, although the more hardcore audience appreciates the attention. However, it's also about appealing to people who are not gamers. Getting people to try something new. Turning the industry on its head and taking risks. I understand Sony is in a financial position that wouldn't allow flexibility in features that perhaps Nintendo has had. Nintendo took a big risk w/ the Wii and has taken another big risk w/ the WiiU. Sony isn't taking that much of a risk, imo. Maybe that's what the market needs at the moment--who can tell. I agree w/ you, though, that a more aggressive Kinect plan must be the next step. I want to see MS on stage show something we've never seen before. Something that will make us see how games can change our perception of "video games." Personally, if they are serious about it, a room projection system would really turn the industry on its head. I know it's a lofty ideal, but I think a step needs to be taken to get people out of their tvs. Occulus Rift would also be another awesome idea. Just something that will make this next generation memorable. No more tacked on peripherals. MS needs a plan from the beginning and I think they are in a great position to take a risk.

[Godmars290]

@mcstorm:
"@gaffyh I have to disagree Gears 3, Halo 4 and Forza 4 were up there with the games you said."

And all of those games have technical issues because the XBox used DVD. Issues which the system's fan camp denies while they insist that BR wasn't needed.

"and Root was right sony tried to do what they did with the PS2 and Make its media becomes the most used. But MS knew that the world was looking to go down the digital root and left Sony playing catch-up in that department."

Um, MS was well capable of doing exactly what Sony did with the PS2 to make the Xbox a go to media device, simply allow it to play movie DVDs, but they didn't. And because they made an early mistake which kept them from directly modding their own system the kit solution was less than an improvement. Likewise as much as may want to make MS's move to digital entertainment a thing, the fact remains that through they had Netflix first, The PS3 became the #1 platform for the service.

Whenever MS and Sony are on equal levels, Sony tends to be better, possibly because they're more concerned about their customers and audience, rather than themselves.

That's going to be the thing when MS makes their move with Xbox3: if they try to make/force rather than read a trend, go after the general consumer with a cable box you have to pay more for rather than gamers with games, they're going to fail.

[Syntax-Error]

Do you people really think MS is going to show up at E3 with another Halo, Forza, and Kinect game and call it a show? Please remember that Wednesday night was not a show or an video game conference, it was Sony's press conference. THAT'S IT! Sony called a special meeting to make announcements and that was all. Why don't you sit down somewhere and wait for E3 to see what the other companies are going to release. If Sony wants to blow their load this early, that's up to them. Showing me a controller to a system that has yet to be seen doesn't get my dick hard. Hearing that Diablo III is going to be on PS3 doesn't garner a cheering section. Both systems are going to amaze everyone, so saying SONY is in the lead or what can MS bring to table is just fanboy rhetoric. Sit the hell down and wait. How the hell is Sony in full force by issuing a press conference months ahead of E3? If I announce the Iron Man movie 5 months before The Justice League movie, does it mean the Iron Man is going to be a better movie? #GROWUP

[gaffyh]

@mcstorm - Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but owning and having played all of the games you mentioned, they do not look as good as the games I mentioned on PS3. Sure they look good, but Halo 4 is nowhere near the level of something like Uncharted. If you have eyes, then it's just a fact. And I'm not saying this in a fanboy way, I'm just saying that I don't think GOW3 or Uncharted could be done on 360 hardware, no matter who was developing for the system.

Which would therefore prove that the PS3 hardware was needed for these games. Which is what Death was trying to disprove.

[Skip_Bayless]

International Data Corporation says 77 million PS3s as of January 2013 and 360 sales on wiki is 75.9 million on Microsoft's earnings release.

So basically this generation is a tie. The Wii doesn't count. PS4 has been annouced so officially the current gen is over. It's no longer fair to continue the console war sales because there will be less people buying the PS3 for the fact that PS4 is coming out.

[Temporary]

Sony's PS3 isnt going anywhere, so this gen is still very much alive. I understand with the announcement of PS4 PS3 sales will slow...so the wayh i see it sony won this gen.

[EVILDEAD360]

'International Data Corporation says 77 million PS3s as of January 2013 and 360 sales on wiki is 75.9 million on Microsoft's earnings release.'

Just look at the Company quarterly sales reports. Sony doesnt report the PS3 alone anymore. So they started intermingling the PS2 with the PS3 sales.

PS3 + PS2 Q4 = 6.8

70.2 end of September (previous 6 months including PS2) + 6.8m = 77m.

So like Jack said it's basically a wash, but until they seperate the sales we won't know exactly what was shipped.

Evil

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I love this Competition is good. Hopefully MS answers back soon, Lets go MS. Sony's in FULL force right now.

[Cueil]

shhh... people on here don't want competition they want Sony to be the only console manufacturer

[pixelsword]

@ cueil

Not so.

No company would be as good as they are if there wasn't competition. Competition is essential for great tech and games.

[Walker]

It has begun !

[MrWonderful]

Mortal Kombat!

[unknownhero1123]

*dances to mortal kombat music*

on that note, I want to see what microsoft has to offer. I'm wondering if the no used games and the always online rumor are true. If it was, it wouldn't surprise me and it will deter me from getting the next xbox. hell, they make you pay for a gold service for services that are free everywhere else and some demos need the gold service as well. I also hope they have a better dashboard because the current one they have is laggy as heck.

[whamlollypop7]

Here here!!!

[otherZinc]

Tretton's lying again:

If the PS3 were the world sales leader, That would've been said at the beginning of that conference. The Shareholders would have loved to hear that! That's what they want to hear.

In Front Of The Shareholders that were present!
That's Binding!

Dont say it in the shadows where it isn't binding.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

I think you're lying. Where did Tretton say PS3 was the world sales leader?

[pixelsword]

@ zinc:

I think it's too close to call.

[showtimefolks]

I am with him, I like this more aggressive sony.

i want some TC commercials like Crash series where he was standing outside Nintendo offices lol

MS's execs talk all the crap yet show more crappy kinect games. so if you are gonna talk than back that up

now with all the bells and whistles of PSN for ps4 what will be the excuse for MS to charge and sony to offer free services?

ps4 is a console for gamers and developers and that's what i want

[Bumpmapping]

Playstation 4 Life

[Nykamari]

Did you steal that from me? I used that on YouTube last night on KZ Shadow Fall vid. Nice quote though!

[Megaton]

Yeah, you're the first person to say that, and he stole it from you.

[DigitalxPiracy]

@Megaton lmao

[Reverent]

*Smirks*

[Heisenburger]

@Megaton

Lmaox2

[LOGICWINS]

"We look at the market in worldwide terms, and every market is extremely important to us."

Good answer.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Well, USA is the most important out of all of them in the World... wonder why he didn't comment on sales in the USA. ;)

Interesting to see him say Xbox Trojan Horsed it's way... I seem to remember my PS3 coming with Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray... and NOT a video game for my video game console I bought. Strange that their was a Bluray player in every PS3, and then Blu ray wins the format war. Talk about Trojan Horsed in. If anything, PS3 trojan horsed blu into everyone's lives.

Also ironic, that there's a problem with all entertainment for the console now. I seem to remember a tag line Sony used to say proudly... "It only does everything"

Now of course, it's a problem that MS console is doing everything.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Sony is feeding off the fact that MS doesn't really try to cover breadth of gamer preferences itself, leaving that to 3rd parties. Their main focus is whoring Kinect to casuals and LIVE to MP shooters.

Despite its own concerns as well as a crap economic situation (more so in Japan than US), they deliver on new IP. Sony, likely due to being a Japanese firm, knows the world culture of gaming more, or at least respects it more.

We get an Ico or Heavy Rain from a Sony, not Microsoft. Regardless of which one you like, this is a real difference between companies, and why Move is less a failure in Sony's eyes than Kinect is in Ballmer's, whose shareholders are still of a society that largely stigmatizes gaming and even fear it. It has taken a lot of earned revenue from LIVE and Halo for 360 to legitimize its position in Microsoft's portfolio. So that is all you can expect, I guess.

[TrendyGamers]

As far as I remember, PS3 is outselling Xbox 360 worldwide.

[BitbyDeath]

EDIT: Nevermind, seems i wrote the same as the header...

[omi25p]

Actually we dont know.

Microsoft release actual sales numbers where as sony only release shipped numbers.

If sony where to release sales numbers we would know.

[ThatXboxGuy]

That same tired old excuse? Jesus christ lol.

[MRMagoo123]

derrrrrrrrrrrrp thats all i can say about your ignorant none factual comment omi25p

[MysticStrummer]

How long will people keep spouting this?

[kneon]

@MysticStrummer

It will go on forever, never underestimate people's stupidity, they will always prove you wrong.

Companies don't track when each unit is sold to the end user, it's considered sold when it's shipped to a retailer or distributor.

[kenshiro100]

...Wow. Seriously?

[TheRealHeisenberg]

The funny thing is that the Sony fanboys used to say that Sony reported sold and MS reported shipped.

[Deku-Johnny]

And what is outselling PS3?

[unknownhero1123]

my forever alone machine aka the holodeck

(not invented yet but it will be!)

[alexcosborn]

It's gonna get ugly!

[LOGICWINS]

"Plus, if you look at multimedia services, we’re the No. 1 streaming device when it comes to Netflix, not Xbox. They’re trying to — I don’t really know what they’re trying to do."

Jack be talkin dat smack =D

[Riderz1337]

Well Jack I'll tell you what they're trying to do. They're trying to rip people off by making them buy and Xbox gold membership and then they have to also pay for Netflix subscription. A subscription within a subscription.

YO DAWG, I HEARD YOU LIKE SUBSCRIPTIONS.

[iChii]

Lmaaaoooo @ Riderz... Yo dawg I heard you like subscriptions! So we put a subscription on your subscriptions so you can subscribe while you subscribe!

[Welcome2Die]

@Riderz1337

[ABizzel1]

I lol'ed when I saw that last night.

He's like "You know they're just trying to - I don't know what they h#!! they trying to do, but it's not true."

[dbjj12088]

Hey guys! Don't... don't forget about Nintendo! Guys?

[LOGICWINS]

Nintendo? Never heard of em. What do they sell? Peanut butter?

[SonicRush15]

That was funny.. =P

[Y_5150]

Nintenderbutter?

[Riderz1337]

Sony does what Nintendon't!

Lol I'm kidding people!

[Studio-YaMi]

OMG NO DON'T !
I don't want SONY to end up like SEGA !

although at this pace they won't but even so
let's not jinx it ! :(

[EbeneezerGoode]

It will be Nintendo ending up like Sega at this rate!

[kingmushroom]

nintendo who?

[MysticStrummer]

I forgot about Nintendo several generations ago. They just don't bring the games I want to play for the most part. WiiU appears to be at least trying to reverse that trend, but I won't bother buying one with PS4 so near. I already have a current gen console I'm very happy with.

[ABizzel1]

Nintendo does whatever it wants. Sometimes it's casual supremacy, sometimes it's in La La land, and other times they're back on board with the casual. My relations with Nintendo was too up and down. I sit back and wait for them to get their $#!% together then we make-up :D

Sony will always be my one and only true love -.-

MS was my affair ;)

LMAO.

[G20WLY]

Is that how you caught the "Red Ring of Death"?!

I... I took it too far, didn't I...? :/ *blushes*

[ABizzel1]

LMAO

No, Xbox had that fixed before our affair. Still Clean :D

[Deku-Johnny]

You Nintendo haters are funny. They have the best selling console of all time, the best selling console of the 3rd, 4th and 7th gen. Sony fanboys and Microsoft fanboys go on about how much better Sony and MS are yet every gen those two copy Nintendo whether it's with motion controls (They made the Move/Kinect respectively after going on for ages before the consoles were released about how it'll never catch on, now Microsoft's favourite phrase is 'better with Kinect') or Sony sticking a touchpad on their new controller after seeing how great it is having a touchscreen.

@EbeneezerGoode, if anyone is doing a Sega anytime soon it's definitely Sony, Nintendo have enough money to flop for the next few genereations if Sony flopped with the PS4 they'd most likely have to stop making hardware.

Say what you want about Nintendo but without them Playstation and Xbox wouldn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I know I sound like a Nintendo fanboy and/or Sony/MS hater I'm not. I love them all. If they make good hardware and software they're good with me but everything I have stated in my comment is a fact.

[danny818]

Ur stupid. Mad that Nintendo has shit of press right now? WiiU had little momentum to start with. Face it. U guys have a GameCube on your hands. And Nintendo knows it

[Avernus]

Let's see where the WiiU is in a couple years ;)

[xursz]

Agreed with above. Give Nintendo a chance. And Gamecube, despite low sales, it was a decent console. >:(

[DeltaCanuckian]

"They have the best selling console of all time"
Really? Because I'm pretty sure it's a well-known fact that the PS2 is the best selling console of all time.

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah my toilet clogged last night so i had to call Marios Bros plumbing service. You wont believe what they pulled out of the crapper. A giant tortoise with spikes on its shell that breathed fire.

Amazing right?

BTW i banged a dumb blond last night who always allows herself to get kidnapped by the same guy. Seriously what is up with her?

LOL

[Punch-o]

Get 'em Jack!

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Playstation IS about the GAMERS, this was made VERY apparent especially this gen when compared to their competition!

[JeffGUNZ]

Gears of War, Halo, Mass Effect, Forza, Fable, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell....No, those are not "GAMERS" games. Only Uncharted and Killzone count. Forgot that.

[danny818]

U forgot the most important ip... Destiny.
Oh wait....

[TheLastGuardian]

Is that it? You can play most of those franchises on PC, some even on PlayStation. I can name at least five times more PlayStation franchises that don't appear on other consoles or PC. It's not that Xbox doesn't have great games, PlayStation just has so much more to offer to gamers.

[JeffGUNZ]

Easy Sony Defense Force, I didn't put down the PS3, I just answered the guy above who insinuated no other console (xbox) had any gamer games. I own both PS3 (PSN: Jeffgunz) and 360 (cdxjeffgunz), so I am not picking sides, I am clearly stating that the 360 has great games. And no, there are plenty of other exclusives for the 360 but I mentioned the bigger dogs of the pack. Most of us will end up with both consoles next gen but the SDF is in full gear and it's pathetic. Most average gamers who are not the 100 people on this site, don't care about exclusives, they just play whatever looks fun. I'd much rather play COD then Crackdown and I'd much rather play Assassins Creed then crash bandicoot.

Everyone is so childish on this site, we all should be happy we have another great generation in store.

[dantesparda]

You gotta love the hypocrisy of fanboys, 360 fanboys like to call the Sony fanboys, the Sony Defense Force, like this guy aint part of the Microsoft Defense Force. There is no denying that MS took their focus of the hardcore and on to the casuals. And its also a fact that MS has less exclusives, PERIOD!!! Yet the MDF's act like its not true. Wake up fanboys, you's all act stupid!

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Dantesparda.

What part of any of my argument did I insult the PS3 or PS4 or the sony brand name? I am pro sony you moron. Can't you read? Look up PSN: Jeffgunz, you'll see me there. It's not being a fanboy, it's having both consoles and getting tired of each side crying and measuring virtual d*cks. The original person I replied to stated that ONLY SONY has GAMERS Games which is laughable. Any person who has played games as long as I or others can't honestly believe that. The fact that Zelda, Halo, Gears, Forza, are on the market and people don't recognize them as legit games is pure embarrassment. How you think I am a fanboy when I own and enjoy both consoles makes even less sense. Get off your high horse and purchase both consoles and enjoy as many great games as possible. Dante, you calling me a fanboy with your 2 bubbles is like hitler calling the pope a racist. Grow up.

[Hicken]

You listed a bunch of games that are on Xbox, but half of them are available elsewhere.

Stupid.

Then you list TWO games only available on PS3, implying that this is all the PS3 has to counter the list on 360.

Stupid.

Then you argue an insinuation that doesn't exist: that OP said Xbox didn't have any "gamer" games, which isn't even close to what was written.

Stupid.

Then you bring up "average gamers" as if you know what that constitutes, and what they'd want, and assume that they only care about multiplatform games.

Stupid.

Then you put forth your own opinion and insinuate that Call of Duty is more fun than Crackdown(I disagree, at least where the first Crackdown is concerned) and that Assassin's Creed is more fun than Crash Bandicoot(here, I also disagree, as the AC series has never really appealed to me) and that this is some sort of fact.

Stupid.

Then you call everyone on the site childish after YOU intentionally took something the wrong way and ran with it, calling down this little shit storm; ironically, you don't realize that you're the most childish one here.

Stupid.

Seems like, all around, everything you said was pretty dumb.

[dantesparda]

@jeffGUNZ

Talk about sensitive! And i do own a 360 and have since Nov 22nd of 2005. Now who's the moron? So get off your defensive high horse, douche!

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Hicken,

Says the guy with one bubble.

[Nykamari]

You guys/gals are funny!

[majiebeast]

Jack Tretton classy as ever.

@Horndog

You came out of your cave to spread the negativity for M$?

[horndog]

Sony is gearing up to lose more of the market share like they did this gen.

[cannon8800]

And Microsoft is gearing up to steal even more money from their loyal fans! Even better!

[omi25p]

Stealing? That last i looked people are doing it willingly not at bloody gun point, pleb.

[RioKing]

^The last I looked, some people are effing stupid and just use their parents' credit card to pay for Xbox Live...they'd rather pay for shit they could have for free.

"But bu bu but they have HALO and Sony doesn't. My mommy will pay for it anyways.."

...but what do I know, I only work in the electronics department at a VERY popular store where we sell xbox live cards, games, etc daily...

[Bigkurz85]

doubtful. not surprised you have one bubble.

Despite nearly everything going wrong with its launch and it coming a year later than 360, the ps3 is now essentially tied with 360 worldwide.

yet for some reason, xbots continue to call it a "flop." whatever.

ps4 is clearly going to lead the way.

[cannon8800]

Amen my gaming brother.

[_-EDMIX-_]

At the end of the day. Sony will sell more PS3's then MS sells 360's. for a lot of reasons.

1. Sony owns more studios and can support up to 3 systems at once! PS3, PS4 and PSV support is not unlikely. They did PS2, PS3 and PSP! Mind you Sony bought MORE studios this gen.

2. MS lost and closed down a bunch of studios. (mind you they had the least to begin with and now have even less then that)

Those reasons alone will make PS3 sell more in the long run. What will be on 360 to sell it? When 720 is out, is MS just going to make 2 Halos? 2 Gears? 2 Fables? LOL! They don't even have enough teams to make games for just one system let alone 2.

MIND YOU Beyond 2 Souls and Last Of Us have yet to release. We are talking about PS4 games and new PS3 IPs have yet to be released......need proof of support? Where is MS's new IP's for 360?

PS3 will go on to sell...and sell and sell. When it surpasses the 360, I beg its users to say Sony made a bad choice.

Most expenisve system, came out late....still outsold the cheapest system that came out early.

One closed studios, one bought and opened MANY. One made the same IP's over and over again, one released new IP's along side old one, EVEN JUST before PS4 was released. The gamers have spoken on what system is favored. You'll see in years to come why Sony thought of a long plan vs a "rushed" limited "gimmick" where are those timed exclusives now? How is Kinect? Miss Bungie as a exclusive developer yet? The more you support those actions, the more MS will bend you over a table and help themselves. LOL.

[RioKing]

MIND YOU!!!

Edit: I agree with you though..

[Oh_Yeah]

@_-EDMIX-_ adding to what you said, the ps3 also doubles as a blu ray player and it has no subscription fee to access apps such as Netflix < that right there will definitely guarantee the ps3 surpasses xbox 360 by a landslide... As more people look for streamers/ blu ray players they'll surely look at the ps3 and see the value..an affordable all in one device over similarly priced standard blu ray players and standard game boxes? Hmm I think the ps3 gots a lot of sellin left in it.

[Dark_Eternal]

It's because their parents refuse to buy them a second console. Don't want to spoil the little tykes, after all! ;)

[DigitalSmoke]

You're the prime excample for why "opinions" are not equall at all.
When around thinking men, you should actually just look down and listen wile looking nobody directly in the face...

now off you go.

[JeffGUNZ]

@RioKing.

Awful argument. I', 28 and own both PS3 and 360. Both are great, but Live puts PSN to shame. Don't believe me, look at PSN+, it's Sonys way of softly bringing up a fee to access their online service. You think the PS4 is going to release and have a top notch cloud storage/streaming service without charging people a subscription? Get ready to steal the credit card from your mommy.

[Bathyj]

That was the only thing that really disappointed me about the reveal.

No Kaz and no Jack.

[doctorstrange]

This. I was waiting the whole time.

[Studio-YaMi]

E3 for sure,or I'm BUSTING A NUT ! >:(

[Riderz1337]

Kaz and Jack on the stage at the same time? Do you want lawsuits to be handed out due to peoples head exploding?

Lol, jokes aside - I think they will be there for the full reveal including the look of the consoles as well as more first party/third party launch title reveals. So E3 probably.

[Adva]

No Kaz because he runs Sony now. It is the job of SCEI head to introduce new hardware which the British guy is now.

[turnerdc]

I like Jack Tretton, he seems like a stand up guy. Much more classy than crazy Ken:

“Microsoft is trailing behind us and is not a threat," Kutaragi declared. "It is good at improving, but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology. Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a karate master and Microsoft is still not a black belt."

"Like with Microsoft's operating systems, it might come out with something good around the third-generation of their release."

"The approach of adopting multiple, all-purpose processors will just raise integer calculation capabilities, that will only benefit general applications," said Kutaragi. "This approach will increase the machine's capabilities as an all-purpose computer, but it won't change the type of entertainment."

Finally, Kutaragi gave the final deathblow to the Xbox 360 specs saying “We welcome the fact that Microsoft invests is this area but, by only improving the graphic performance and increasing the output resolution of the current Xbox, [Xbox 360] won't change anything from the current world of videogame consoles.”

Following Kazuo Hirai’s line of thought, Kutaragi also said that “the Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console.”

[doctorstrange]

I know what you mean, but part of me loved Kutaragi's Krazy statments

[C0MPUT3R]

PS4 = gamer's wet dream realized.
.
PS4 is the console of the forever.

[Rip-Ridah]

PS4 = [developer's &] gamer's wet dream realized.

[HexxedAvenger]

GAME ON!

[J_Cob]

Car!

[AJ Hartley]

Hi wayne , hi (crash)

[black911]

As pathetic as it sounds, Microsoft most likely won't have the benefit of the RRoD and all the other hardware problems that led Xbox fans to re-buy each new model Xbox 360 hoping to finally have a console that works properly. And so Microsoft isn't going to have millions and millions of duplicate consoles padding out their installed base this upcoming gen.

[turnerdc]

Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves now. RROD pretty much disappeared around 2008 and failure rates since then have been pretty comparable to any other platform.

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

"Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death."

Let's not forget that Microsoft extended the warranty of the Xbox to 3 years, a move that cost them over a billion dollars.

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

[TemplarDante]

Turnerdc"RROD pretty much
disappeared around 2008 and failure rates
since then have been pretty comparable to
any other platform." LOL!

[Foxhound922]

Doesn't change the fact fact that for almost 2 years Microsoft had accelerated sales rates from people buying multiple consoles. Sure they enacted some great damage control but they still benefited sales wise from that. I can't even count how many friends of mine are on their 4th or 5th 360 from hardware failure. When you have thousands of people buying multiple consoles multiple years, its adds up. Lets just be clear that their sales would be substantially lower than what they are today. But I do give Microsoft props for the way they handled the debacle, and gave players peace of mind with the 3 yr warranty.

[turnerdc]

Hmmmm, original post provides no evidence to back up his claims and receives 12 agrees and 6 disagrees. I provide evidence to support my claims and I get 7 agrees and 9 disagrees.

EDIT: Substantially lower? A substantial amount is anywhere between 50 to 100 percent. While I do agree that RROD did have an effect on sales, I seriously doubt that many extra 360's were sold. Additionally many people just sent their RROD Xbox in for repair which means no extra sale there.

[MysticStrummer]

Reading N4G makes it seem like I'm the only person in the world who knows multiple people who bought multiple new 360s instead of sending their dead ones in and waiting. It's called disposable income. All in all I know 5 people who bought a total of 12 360s between them. Your links don't negate the fact that 360s had an unprecedented fail rate for two years, and I'm pretty sure more people than just my friends bought new ones instead of waiting.

[BOLO]

@Turnerdc "Hmmmm, original post provides no evidence to back up his claims"...Here's your proof...Watch it and weep. /watch?v=auZqaPvIDps&list= LLsOrvCJE8JCOz3XuvxhUC-w.../wat ch?v=F3xBmENXX0Y&list=LLsOr vCJE8JCOz3XuvxhUC-w

[turnerdc]

@MysticStrummer

It is never a good idea to base a conclusion on anecdotal evidence as it is more than likely an informal fallacy.

@BOLO

Checked your link, not weeping. Many people sell broken/defective systems online. Here is a lot of 11, 6, and 5 broken PS3 systems:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT...

Does that mean the PS3 is inherently a defective console? Nope, some guy just gathered up broken PS3 systems to sell.

[soxfan2005]

Keep telling yourself that. There are ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS OR DATA to back up your opinion, but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.

You're just bitter about the 360's success, so you have to play make-believe.

You are right about one thing though - it is pathetic to believe what you believe, and even more pathetic to actually say it in public.

[_-EDMIX-_]

....buddy. Quick question. What teams does MS have in play to support the 360 after 720? Cause...to my understanding, they have less teams now then when they started this gen.

Don't kid yourself. Sony will keep supporting PS3 for a LONG time. Like really, really, really long time.

PS3 still has 2 new IPs releasing at the ending of this year, a PS4 coming out, AND STILL HAS TEAMS that are in the dark. MS has all there teams out and about. They don't have the wiggle room. Its 720 ALL TEH WAY. They can't afford to keep even a single team back to work on 360, while Sony has a whole slew of developers to still make PS3 games....JUST like they did PS2 when PS3 was out. Sony supported PS3, PS2 and PSP all at the same time...with LESS teams, they have MORE teams now. So...I see PS3, PSV and PS4 support for a good long time.

This = MS losing another gen. EASY. By the time its all said and done, MS will had lost yet another gen. With a cheaper system, year head start, a FF and GTA etc....they would had still got outsold by a Sony system. If that can't beat a Sony system....nothing really can OTHER then buying some damn teams and going head to head with Sony.

To beat Sony, they need to own more teams. Simple. As a gamer, if you disagree, your clearly not a real gamer.

[RioKing]

^I agreed, so I'm a gamer!! But seriously, bubs to you, dude....well said.

[DonnieDarko]

Will ps4 do 4d like the ps thr. . . . Oh wait

[Studio-YaMi]

Jack & Kaz @ E3 !

That is all ..

[doctorstrange]

Well they've won the show

[MadMen]

Tretton, i am a fan

[Raider69]

“We’re Trying to Say We’re All About the Gamers”see this is what will sell PS4`S FOR Sony.Open your eyes M$!

[TemplarDante]

The MSFT casual gamer focus is worrying...
hardcore franchise diminishing.

With 360, they rotated the same IP's over and again to keep core gamers happy.
After Kinect.. they did not care as much.

Gears 1
Gears 2
Gears 3
Gears Judgement

Halo3
Halo ODST
Halo Reach
Halo 4

Forza 2
Forza3
Forza4
Forza Horizon

Over and over and over again..
Next gen, with the Kinect 24/7 advertising sensor, even able to check your clothes you were and display its brands advertising, its like the games they release would be to get you to sit there and feed you ad's rather than truly entertain you.
Also, the Nextbox specs are worrying.. not Core gamer oriented at all,

Jaguar 8 Core CPU
8GB DDR 3
AMD GPU 12CU...

12CU... Its worrying. Whats worse, it was rumored 6+6CU rather than 12. Six for compute function for Kinect and six for games :/ WTF.
Top that off with the rumor 2 cores of the 8 Jaguar cores will be used for Windows 8 OS with the overhead of 2-3GB of ram for OS footprint....
You would be left with 6 Jaguar Cores, 5GB of DDR3, and a GPU with 6 CU for graphics alone...showing a clear focus on T.V and entertainment rather than gaming.
Their focus is so much on casual gamimg, its going to hold back multiplat games next gen.

The PS4 on the other hands is more Core gamer centric.

ARM CPU for background tasks
512MB reserved for OS footprint
8Core Jaguar CPU- all 8 for gaming.
8GB GDDR5 unified ram
AMD 18CU GPU.

Sony has always wanted a gaming machine that caters to everyone. Im glad they've done that again.
Msft... just goes where the THINK the money is. Casual gamers are fickle msft, be warned. You're putting your eggs all in on basket microsoft.

[Jek_Porkins]

You are basing your entire argument on rumors, it was rumored that the PS4 would only have 4-6 gigs of memory. Turns out the PS4 is still in production faze and the specs aren't even final.

With 10 months to go, how do you know what Microsoft has in store if they haven't announced it?

If you look at both the Xbox 360 and PS3, both had pretty much the same amount of "core" exclusives and games in general, only the Xbox 360 had them since the 360's launch and the PS3 did not.

Microsoft obviously switched focus to next gen after 2010, the longer than normal console generation really screwed with the gaming ecosystem. If it means the next Xbox launches with new IP's and core games, I'll take it.

Why fault Microsoft for giving its core demographic the games that they bought the machine for? I'd take a Halo game over some unknown niche title any day of the week.

Are you telling me Sony fans would have rather had PlayStation All Stars over another Uncharted or Gran Turismo? I don't think so my friend.

And did you watch Sony's presser? They were showing off Move, social media and entertainment just like Microsoft does. It'd be one thing to say you are all about gamers if you didn't have any entertainment apps, but Sony has them too, right on the box!

I'd wait until we get an actual reveal of the next Xbox before trashing it and comparing anything, because right now you are just comparing the PS4 specs to a ghost.

[Rainstorm81]

You lost me at PS4 is still in production faze specs aren't final.....So what was announced yesterday? Only the Hardware's plastic casing isn't final.

You live in the bubble, because while they did release PS All stars they also have games like Last of Us this year, I mean you can use partial facts if you like but as YOU said MS switched focus in 2010, yet Sony revealed their next gen system plans and released more new IPs in that same time span 2010-2013.

Maybe if MS focus wasn't Kinect we would've gotten more new IPs on 360, a sequel to Lost Oddessy and Blue Dragon, or maybe Captian Blood would've been released. Keep defending things that aren't good for gamers and MS will do the same as they been doing.

I remember when Xbox fans said MS wouldn't abandon the 360 like they did the original Xbox.......SMH

[DigitalSmoke]

Thats just the thing...

Eventhough its "very" unlikely that MS will be able to put 8gig GDRR5 in their system, it doesn't matter what type of machine they come with because in this generation they have failed at the plan to compete with Sony on Sony's turf, thats why they went the casual Kinect way instead.

Now they are at it with Nintendo, and thats a Battle they will lose as well.

[FGHFGHFGH]

'If you look at both the Xbox 360 and PS3, both had pretty much the same amount of "core" exclusives and games in general, only the Xbox 360 had them since the 360's launch and the PS3 did not"

MIcrosoft launching the 360 early meant alot of titles that would've been multiplat were exclusive to 360, plus the ps3 gave alot of developers trouble at first. Microsoft just doesn't make many games. Look at pc, Microsoft does not have any presence at all and gaming pcs use windows, but all pc gamers I know don't like GFWL. Even Sony has had more success than Microsoft on pc. I saw that Bungie's new game has exclusive content for ps4. Microsoft relied heavily on timed dlc this gen and if sony gets exclusive dlc from multiplats than what does Microsoft have? Kinect games and cellphone like games. And of course Halo.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I can't agree any more. THIS is why 360 is selling less and less. People are not buying it for some of MS ips as much as there just buying it to play 3rd party games (BAD IDEA) ONLY because they are likely to really buy ANY next gen system that has a lot of games.

If you don't like Fable, Halo, Gear or Forza...your out of luck. Turn around adn NEVER look at the 360 again. BUT with PS3, you at least have Uncharted, (sucks) well Heavy Rain (sucks) well Infamous (sucks) Motorstorm (sucks) well GT (sucks) well Killzone (sucks) well Resistance (sucks...a lot) well God Of War (did't like that last gen) well Last Of Us (not your style) Beyond 2 Souls (don't like Ellen Page) well LBP and so on and so on.

Sony did a GREAT job this gen with new IPs. They made it so that, if you had an issue with Playstation last gen...you kinda can't this gen. Why? Cause the games are different. Period.

If MS just goes (Halo, Forza, Gears etc) they will pretty much leave out a large number of potential sales.

Though I hate MS, I'm still a gamer. If MS shows a bunch of new IPs...I"M GAME! (mind you they can't be timed exclusives and by no name teams) they must be by established teams. (MS slept on soooo many IPs. Crackdown, PGR etc) Why should I buy a 720 if they are just going to "Crackdown" a IP? (ie release 1 or 2 games and call it quits) I don't want to be "tricked" into buying a system. With Sony you at least know they will do 3X with a lot of there games.

Think about it like this. New IP's MAKE NEW FANS! You can't hate a IP you never heard of. *Knack makes you change your mind, Driver Club, makes you change your mind!* That is what keeps Playstation fresh.

[BladerunnerZX]

Agreed Templar.

just look at what the casuals have done for the nintendo Wii U .... lots of continued support carried over from the Wii .. oh wat.

[DivineAssault]

what kind of ram is the question.. Those leaks also state 720 is using ddr3 which is no competition for gddr5 thats in the PS4.. Ill take games over media anyday.. PS4 will have media too just not focus on it which is why i choose them.. i have a cable box & a PS3 (soon PS4) & im completely happy.. All the multiplats available plus exclusive games n features xbox wont have.. theyll have the multiplats maybe n some different features but PS is a much better value with much more titles to choose from.. Oh ps plus n gaikai are awesome in conjunction with vita is a no brainer.. PS4 all the way

[just-joe]

Walk the walk.

[GodGinrai]

sony most certainly are ..and Im saying that as a guy that uses the 360 as my main gaming platform. But I could never NOT own a playstaion. sony have always been about the games.

MS are forgetting what the what xbox is about. They need J allard/seamus blackley back because right now ballmer is destroying the xbox brand in the eyes of the gamer.

[urwifeminder]

Not really relavent xbox news for me.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Shipped, not sold Jack. Don't give us any of your fuzzy math or combined shipment numbers.

However, if you count only working consoles, Sony was ahead a long time ago.

[TemplarDante]

Especially.. when that rumor Msft refurbishes units that RROD and tag them as a "new sale" with a new serial number is very much true..

[Bathyj]

Jack is such a class act.

"The facts are, we debuted the PlayStation 3 at $599, which was an extremely steep price barrier for a lot of consumers."

This really makes me think that the PS4 wont be that high. Sony have learnt that early adopters like me will pay anything but a quick mainstream uptake is important in the early days and its better long term for Sony to take the hit and get the public on their side and get that install base growing so devs take note.

"And we debuted a year after Microsoft, (year and a half in Europe) but on a worldwide basis, we’ve sold the same, if not more, devices. I think we’re at 77 million sold right now — it’s basically splitting hairs."

I'm glad someones realized that. At this point still bickering about sales numbers is irrelevant. More important than consoles sold is how many happy customers you have right now, because they are going to be the ones who buy your next machine at launch.

"But we’re trying to say we’re all about the gamers and, by the way, there’s multimedia out there. I think the people who tuned in to see this live streaming event, from all around the world, were watching to see the gaming."

Amen Jack, Amen.

[HeavenlySnipes]

As long as the RAM dedicated to the OS is enough to pull iff all the thibgs they spoke if in the conference and that going in and out of fames is almost instant, I couldn't care less about what MS has too offer.

I literally can't think of any UI based surprises they could possibly share other than (hopefully) making XBL free and adopting a PS+ like premium service

[Jek_Porkins]

Hey whatever helps Jack sleep at night, Sony has used non gaming ideas all along to lure in people who aren't gamers. CD player in PS1, DVD player in PS2 and a Blu Ray player in the PS3. I think we all know someone who bought one of those devices strictly because it was a cheap option for that type of media.

If it's believed that Sony is just for gamers, why bring back the Move that the core Sony gamer tended to hate? Why institute a camera that Sony gamers ragged on Microsoft for having? Why institute and bring to the forefront social media with the PS4?

It is called slight of hand, it's the same exact thing bands do when they are in a particular place. "Nobody rocks as hard as ----------!".

The guy acts like Microsoft and Nintendo aren't for gamers, which is just insane. Those two companies were just better at capturing more than a core audience, which is the audience that Sony itself had the previous two generations.

[MRMagoo123]

You really spout the most nonsensical crap don't you. (that's a rhetorical question, i already know the answer)

[StrongMan]

@Lvl_up_gamer

Looks like Jack struck a particular loyalty nerve with you there, "kiddo".

[ALLWRONG]

"all about the gamers" yet you have only released casual games since 2011.

[doctorstrange]

Good

[Skips]

2011: Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Killzone 3, Resistance 3.

2012: Twisted Metal, Journey (Higher 92 meta score than EVERY 360 exclusive in 2012, won more GOTY awards than Halo 4), PSAllStars, Starhawk.

2013: God Of War Ascension, The Last Of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Sly 4, Ni No Kuni.

What's the 360 getting this year? Like one core game? And a bunch of Kinect AMIRITE? LOOOOOOOL

[ALLWRONG]

Like I said "since 2011" thanks for the help.

[WeAreLegion]

That reply made no sense, ALLWRONG. He just named hardcore titles that came out since 2011. You are acting like these are casual titles. They are not. Nobody would ever say that they are.

[Jakens]

What I find so funny (I find it kinda sad) is that Sony did all of this:

2011...
2012...
2013...

just to compete with all of this:

"What's the 360 getting this year? Like one core game? And a bunch of Kinect"

I would ask who is fooling who here? I do get your point though.

[Skips]

LOL

How does the PS3 having 4 core titles released in 2012 and more releasing, or ALREADY released in 2013 help prove your point of "casual games since 2011."

Do you even understand what you're typing?! XD

[fsfsxii]

The 360 hadn't had a new IP since 2010, from that time till 2013 all was there some rehash of halo-gears-forza and kinect titles.
Nice try fanboy

[Jakens]

You may be right about that "halo-gears-forza and kinect titles"

I honestly hope that MS will stop teasing me and get naked already.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

[fsfsxii]

@ jakens
Hm.....

[Jakens]

@ ALLWRONG

I secertly agree with you and almost didn't post this reply. I myself have never posted as bold a statement, as yours, on N4G. When you say "only released casual games since 2011" I'm thinking 'yep, that is so true' I think that Sony could do something better there to draw me in. Others may agree somewhere out there. Maybe Sony just doesn't have as many of the games that I want to play. They have gotten things wrong many games that I do want to play. About your post: To my knowledge, noone on here has ever called out that many Sony titles as casual at one time. lol. I'm proud to have you on N4G. You are not alone in what you are thinking about the Sony games (2011 to Feb 22 2013). You should get a hundred replies. Not every Video Game Fan will click agree/disagree or reply there but they should. Very refreshing comment on here indeed. On a side note I'll buy PS4. But again, I can't say enough its rare to see a N4G comment as painfully wonderful as yours. Very sincere Thank you! +Bubbles

[TheGreenMan]

Uhh are you feeling okay? ALLWRONG is calling out Sony for releasing casual games, yet mentions nothing about a Kinect-obsessed Microsoft, and you give him praise for "telling it like it is?" Anyone with half of a brain can see who made the shift from hardcore to casual...and it's not Sony.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

M$ sucks..

[Kratoscar2008]

Okay so PS1 dominated, PS2 dominated, nearly PS3 dominated..... come on PS4 dont break the streak.

[JamieL]

Sorry man, PS3 didn't dominate shit. It is tied for second out of 3 players, and lost billions? (maybe just 100's of millions) How is that even remotely close to "nearly PS3 dominated". I by no means think it failed or flopped, but it did NOT dominate at all. The PS2 dominated, the PS3 was just successful.

[Kratoscar2008]

Nearly dominated, by the end of the gen obviously PS3 will beat MS sales wise HOWEVER PS3 dominated the heart of gamers since years ago and unlike the other systems it will die with a bang.

[JamieL]

Breaking even at the end of the gen is not "Dominateing", or "Nearly dominated". The PS2 Dominated, the PS3 did not if thats not clear to you then I wont convince you.

[just-joe]

Brace yourself, the down vote are coming. :)

[EbeneezerGoode]

protip to Sony

if it's all about the gamers, ensure those gamers can resell their old games yeah? buying 10/20 games at £40/£50 each is a massive financial investment just to be sitting on a load of landfill plastic. It's also BAD for the earth :P - MAKE IT NOT SO!

Also - Paying to play online, the most basic of human rights after food, water and a good sleep. Do not put a 'Tax' on fun or you will suffer the wrath of gamers going back to PC full time.

Other than that, from what I've seen, I'm behind PS4 all the way and am sure it will be the next victor based on Sony's attitude to gamers alone.

After last gen and my total loss of £400 on RROD POS MS (BEFORE they admitted it was their fault so no free replacement) can kiss my ass! Not interested in their exclusives anyway (Except maybe PGR)

[ironmonkey]

tretton is so professional. speak for the gamers.

[RuleofOne343]

Commenting in Spanish is spam on N4G, WOW.

[HonestDragon]

I like the new direction Sony is taking with the PS4. Making it more approachable for developers and flexible for gamers will make this a major seller. Microsoft, in the meanwhile, is trying to push the Xbox as this mega entertainment center that everyone will want.

It's like they are trying to compete and upstage everyone, not just Sony and Nintendo. They are competing with cable providers, sports outlets, internet sites, and cinema. It's all for what? Trying to get as many people to buy their system as possible? Or trying to root out every bit of competition they can?

Remember, Microsoft got into consoles because they were losing customers to Sony and Nintendo on the gaming market. Now, it appears that they want to beat out everyone. I think the one thing they are forgetting is that a console should be about video games first. They keep adding more features to the Xbox, but this will end up making developers think that Microsoft has lost ambition with video games in favor of streaming films, apps, and sports. Other features are nice and all, but it's not what people look to do with a console.

[YodaCracker]

The fact that the PS3 had only sold the same as the 360 is what is most sad! Coming from last gen where the PS2 outsold the Xbox by a ratio of what? 6 to 1? Everything does not reset when a new gen begins. Going into this gen, Sony had the strongest brand name in gaming - PlayStation. A household name pretty much synonymous with all things gaming. Microsoft was the huge underdog with the Xbox and they managed to tie their biggest competitor over the course of one gen, take over the biggest gaming market, North America, and make Xbox a household name.

Now next gen is the real prizefight. They are both going in on equal footing (although I would argue the PlayStation name is still stronger than Xbox) with about equal market share. The Wii U seems almost irrelevant at this point (sorry Nintendo). So I could see anything happening next gen, but there's no doubt that this gen Xbox made big strides, and PlayStation got a big reality check. Now we've seen the PS4, so the ball is in Microsoft's court and I can't wait to see what they've got up their sleeve. They must really have a lot of faith in it because they are integrating the "Xbox" name into a lot of their services now so the brand is certain to be around for a LONG time. Next gen is going to be very exciting.

[Britainz-Fin3st]

For years now, i have said pretty soon, in peoples front room there will be one little box.

This is what Sony and MS are trying to pull of, games are just a bonus.

I believe a new contender will come in and blow them both away, probably apple.

[fsfsxii]

No not apple, please no, they'll ruin the gaming industry, and probably set the end for the industry

[Morgue]

I don't watch television because it's pointless and the only little black box that sits in my living room is a PS3.

[DevilishSix]

The proof is in the pudding. When was 360's last new IP exclusive? Correct me if I am wrong but that would be Alan Wake a couple years ago. Yet I see PS3 still pumping them out, with The Last of US just four months from now. Over the last couple years MS has introduced Kinect and has been more concerned with that then giving new exclusives or new IP's to its core gamers. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I am one of the Legacy XBL members (10 years) and untill MS shows me the following, I am not picking up their next Xbox:

1. new IP's and games I am dying to play.
2. IT does not lock out used games.
3. Always online is a no go for me.
4. Specs need to be close to PS4 if not better.
5. Stop charging to play online or voice chat, there is no reason to charge for that anymore.

Thats my list, you can agree or disagree. IF you disagree then we will just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Morgue]

Always online + Kinect sounds like big brother watching your every move. Might as well just call HAL 9000.

[Tzuno]

At least he admits that MS is a strong competitor.

[Jakens]

@ DevilishSix, Your points are valid.

"1. new IP's and games I am dying to play.
2. IT does not lock out used games.
3. Always online is a no go for me.
4. Specs need to be close to PS4 if not better.
5. Stop charging to play online or voice chat, there is no reason to charge for that anymore."

I'll pick up their console if they fail on all of those accounts.

[Subzero200]

“We’re Trying to Say We’re All About the Gamers”

sooo how come all their games suck?

[MilkMan]

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

This current gen I was more of an Xbox player, partially due to the ability to talk to my close-online friends while playing whatever we wanted.
I have ZERO interest in watching, playing, seeing, looking or knowing about ANYTHING that is not game related when I turn on my consoles.

And over the last couple of years MS has abandoned the PC, and now it seems they are abandoning the XBOX, this is no longer a gaming platform but a weird concoction where they sell and promote everything but the kitchen sink.

I feel that I will be making a transition to SONY this next gen, because I like their message better.

I o longer believe that MS has "gamers" in mind with these partnerships.

If I wanted to see TV I could. I didn't want it in my gaming console.

[Wedge19]

It's has to be all about the games. That's the only way to be truly successful

[Triggytrolls]

I don't even bother switching my 360 on anymore, I've got nothing to play.

[Dragos75]

You also have no substance. What a silly statement. There is plenty to play on all consoles.....except maybe vita right now.

[TongkatAli]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!...... no.

[headblackman]

another question? Why is it that when they were talking about the hardware they didn't mention what type of disc they will be using? purchasing of gaiki or however its pronounced, be the hint of them going all digital download only? that's more than likely why the console wasn't shown. they knew that if the public saw the system without a disc drive that it would have destroyed the whole conference, so now they sit back and wait to see if Microsoft decides to show a discless console to OK them not having a disc drive. Sony thinks that they are so slick, but they are not.

[PirateThom]

Sony shared the official specs. 6x Blu-ray drive.

http://www.examiner.com/art...

[Martywren]

Lol playground fight

[KillrateOmega]

Though a fair amount of it depends on what MS officially reveals about the Nextbox, I'm leaning heavily toward switching back to the PS team come holiday 2013. Sony has been doing so much right :)

[BladerunnerZX]

Microsoft lost a lot of support from longtime hardcore gamer with their push on Kinect.

I have always known that Sony understands the hardcore gamers and the long term value of keeping a loyal fanbase satisfied with AAA "core " based games like Uncharted and God of War.

When was the last time Microsoft sent Xboxlive subcribers $10 credit like Sony just did for the PS plus members ?

I used my $10 credit on Final Fantasy 7 and some dlc content. thanks Sony and Playstation you are what Microsoft never will be... a company and console maker that understands both "core" gamers and the userbase it provides.

[ddotdukes]

They will ask for that $10 back when you stop subscribing. Just kidding.

I own both systems, and feel like PSN+ offers gamers more of a reason to subscribe to their service. I most use XBL for Netflix. MS needs to get on the train Sony created and offer more for a paid subscription.

[jakmckratos]

And with Knack, Killzone Shadow Fall, and Infamous: Second Son you've done just that sir. You've proved you can revitalize beloved franchises and still create games that appeal to people of all ages. Im in my twenties and I can't way to see more of Knack..they said it's Crash Bandicoot, God of War and Katamari all combined. And it looks like a Pixar movie to boot. Im stoked. Can't wait to see what Media Molecule, Santa Monica and Naughty Dog have prepared...hoping Insomniac's got a REAL Ratchet game coming to the PS4 too.

[birdykilla]

Make good games and you'll get $$$$ plus gamers will like you more and more. Try selling games to casuals who probably won't give you much of their money and won't even spend much time playing said games is a way to lose money. Sure you might make a casual game that sells like hotcakes for awhile, but if its not a very good game its still not going to last. Plus why not try to make sweet awesome games instead of dancing stormtroopers. Your in the video game industry so you should be making games as good as you can make them. I mean come on your getting outperformed by Hollywood when it comes to your industry and theirs. If Hollywood can make multiple good movie each and every year, then I think Microsoft can give us more than Halo and Gears each and every year! Can't wait until the games industry as a whole grows up. Might take a few decades as it did with the movie industry. I don't have that long to wait around so step it up now, focus on making awesome games and the $$$$ will flow ~~~~~~~~~~

Oh and stop charging for Multiplayer its 2013 for christ's sake. It's not like your Xbox Live service is "Gold"

[BladerunnerZX]

good point birdie.

the fact is that at least 50% of the Xboxlive gold subscribers are Call of Duty "fans" ..ok COD fanatics.

Those type of gamers are not loyal to Microsoft or Xbox they just like Call of Duty.

I was on Xboxlive for over 3 years and when you look at the majority of the Call of Duty players gamertags list of games played they show that those types of "gamers" play A LOT OF COD and almost NOTHING else.

That is why the Xbox brand is looked at as a shooter based community by all other gamers that play PC , Playstation and Nintendo.

Conclusion : Microsoft Xbox base of customers is soft when compared to the more loyal Playstation customer/gamer base.

All this means that the sells that Microsoft had this generation (mostly due to Call of Duty and Halo) will not transfer over to the Xboxnext.

[Benjaminkno]

Except at least 1/3 of those "sales" figures are simply replacement consoles.

whammy

[Indo]

I'm staying loyal to Sony. Just knowing they will deliver the best on the PS4 and more when it releases at the end of this year.

[mattgdumb]

everyone is retarded you cant base claims off of something you literally dont know 1 percent a bit of, theres no news on the next xbox not one bit of info, and you guys bash ms for nothing. xbox 360 tripled its user base from xbox alone, and i have a feeling they are gonna put sony out of the game just from north american sales alone..

[lovegames718]

I see some real, funny, biased comments on here especially the ones about Ps exclusives not being visually tht much better thn xbox ips. Stop it plzzz but ill listen better to, progessionals thst already deemed it so and at my own eyes. Visually kz beat halo by a good amount so much do tht professionals like df stopped even comoaring the two and then chose crysis 2 and kz beat up on that too. Uncharted 2 till this day looks better thn anything on xbox and Gow is just in a different leaugue with its epic scale and gorgeous graphics.

Some of you guys can defend micro all you want and try to downplay Sony but theybdid something right thts why thyve always had my money. Blu ray, wifi, steroscopic 3D. full dolby surround and the games I play the most which arep their, exclusive ipsssss. Sony, did alot of things fine by me with the ps3 thts why my money never went elsewhere. Rrod fiasco alone was enough for me, to say $uck micro. You think ill give money to a company tht willingly sold hundred of thousand of faulty units , made ppl buy new consoles and then only, extended warrant after litigation. Then to top it all of kinect was supreme shit and they focused on it smh you guys have short term memory.

[Psychotica]

One thing I never liked about the Xbox 360 is the lack of a browser, put a half decent one and all those multimedia apps would be free.

[kuro2010]

Sony ps4 can take my $$$. been playing games since ps1 to ps3. only time.. will tell you to give up M$.

[RealtorMDandDC]

Micrsoft ultimate goal is an entertainment device to compete with the Apple and Cable companies of the world. And the Xbox was used as a Trojan horse. Look how the Xbox brad stands today and this moment. The Xbox brand right now is not about gaming it's about a causal affair and accessing media.

Sony on the other still has amazing games in route and the Xbox brand has nothing in terms of great and exciting exclusive content slated for this year (for the Xbox 720 yeah but for 360 Not really)

Gaming is the holy grail of entertainment, and one day it will replace the movie as we know this. I'm a gamer and I'm happy Sony is continuing to focus on Gaming, because of all the entertainment mediums gaming is the most robust and immersive.

I still want Microsoft to continue on their goal as an media device because I despise the way cable companies do business and I do want something on the market that would bring about considerable change....wishful thinking tho.....