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Should We Be Able to Sell Used Digital Games?

"While it might seem like common sense that you can’t sell something that doesn’t physically exist, the option of selling used digital content obtained through services such as Steam or IndieCity is heavily debated in places like Germany. "

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majiebeast4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

Yes i bought it i own it i should be able to sell it. That would certainly clean up my steam list.

cl19834092d ago

It all depends on what you bought. The best way that can explain it is by comparing buying a car too leasing a car. You technically don't own a leased vehicle, it's actually owned by the dealership.

GrieverSoul4092d ago

@cl1983

True!
BUT... you dont pay full price for the car. You pay a monthly fee. The service I relate this leasing is PlayStation Plus.
Buying a full price game should enable you to sell it later. But its too late of a concept to implemente now. Independent of what we might think.

Tzuno4092d ago

Well that's why people should stick to Physical copies otherwise they sign their doom nice and slowly.

1nsomniac4092d ago

You dont lease any game unless you've rented it etc, but then obviously you cant sell it & you've not bought it. Thats just common sence tho so I dont know what point your trying to make. you dont buy a leased car or if you do then its yours to sell as you feel like.

darthv724092d ago

sold me his 360 slim cause he needed the cash. He sold with it a stack of physical games but also several digital games saved to the hdd.

He went so far as to change all sorts of the account information to link up with mine and while I am able to download my gamertag to this other system, not all of the digital games are available for me to earn achievements on.

Some of them are open for me to sign in and play so long as his profile remained on the system. Others, i have to sign in as him first, then using a 2nd controller sign in as myself and those previously locked games are available for me to play and earn achievements on.

If you sell your system and want to give up your rights to the digital content then the buyer should have the right to accept a license transfer. But it would seem that the nature of license transfers are tied to the system...not the user.

Id like that to change but I doubt it will anytime soon. I know he wont ever use his gamertag anymore so i wont delete his profile but its a drag to sign in as him, then as myself to play a damn game.

kayoss4092d ago

I think we should look at how other software are handled. Windows OS software can't be resold. Also virus software can't be sold either. I would love to sell some of my digitally owned games but implementing a process can be complicated.

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Bimkoblerutso4092d ago

If you buy into "digital games," you are not truly purchasing anything. You are essentially paying for a license to play the game. Hell, even physical copies of our games these days come with so much DRM BS that it would be innaccurate to say that we truly own anything but the flimsy boxes they come in.

People should have realized this a LONG time ago. There wouldn't really be a problem with this if there were any real advantages to paying for the "service" rather than an actual product. Retail pricing stays EXACTLY the same despite the massively reduced overhead, DRM is even more prevalent and restrictive, and yeah, there's ZERO resale value.

Steam has done a lot to make things more appealing with their ridiculous sales and attempts at providing convenience, but for the most part, the digital revolution is just one more way to control consumers.

JaredH4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

They would not have a way of implementing this, especially with sales changing the prices of games drastically every so often.

The closest thing would probably be letting you gift the games you bought for yourself to other players.

grailly4092d ago

the problem I see is that a "used" copy would be exactly the same as the new copy, game prices would quickly swirl into oblivion. I would guess most games would cost less than half the original price after a month.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

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majiebeast

Yes but your steam account will be refilled with f2ps..
PC would be irrelevant for sure next to consoles. Ubisoft, Activision, EA would only make f2p pc games. Happy joy? :)

Lol Buy a $30 game on steam sale for $7.50 then sell it for $5 to someone who will sell for $5 who will sell it for $7 and so on. This would truly kill pc imo.. AAA devs would run.

Also why buy a game to support you when people can pirate? Either way the devs get nothing. No one will buy from you they don't care to support you. The creators of the game? sure.

lol Valve would have provide servers for resellers? 3 Years later they will be out of business.

I rather not sell my games so pc can grow.

Saryk4092d ago

The consoles grew and there was trading! And they had physical items, those physical items cost money to make, digital doesn't have that issue!

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Rubberlegs4092d ago

You can't trade in PC games so it shouldn't be any different with digital versions. It would also be difficult to put a price on them because of how cheap they go for during sales. Sleeping Dogs was on sale for $10 last week, its standard price is $40.

Its rare that I ever spend full price on a new release going digital. With sites like Greenman Gaming they run deals all the time that knock off anywhere from $10-$20.

hano4092d ago

Oh yeah? I bought DMC for 49$ because I wanted the game and it would usually go for low price on steam (I can't really buy it) only after 6 months to a year after release.

OhReginald4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

If that happens what stops someone from a selling a game for a penny to a friend just so he can have a go at it?

maniacmayhem4092d ago

What's stopping them from doing that now?

kevnb4092d ago

naw, software doesnt break after a set amount of time. Unless we start leasing software and selling that lease, it wont work.

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Why Are Steam's Recommendations Dogpoop?

Blindfolding myself and clicking a Steam page at random would serve me better recommendations than Steam’s algorithm

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UltimateOwnage10d ago

Hmm, not sure I agree with that. The recommendations I get are usually pretty good, but then again I have pretty large library of games on Steam and hundreds of them in my wish list, along with lots of curators I follow for it to build recommendations off of. On occasion it will throw me a random FIFA game or something I've never bought or shown interest in, but mostly its decent IMO.

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jznrpg20d ago

Skul is a metroidvania ? It’s on PS+ soon I’ll check it out. If it’s good I’ll buy a copy physically if they have one

Nacho_Z20d ago

If Pseudoregalia is one of the best I'd hate to see what the worst look like.

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Dragon’s Dogma 2 releases to mixed user reviews, as microtransactions criticised

Players can pay to edit their character, resurrect the dead and other actions.

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AdonisIsBeast28d ago

Who cares as long as it’s optional

phoenixwing28d ago

paying to edit your character is kind of crap as far as microtransactions go

Xristo28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

I hate any/all MTX in a paid game (especially a full-price game)... but know that you can spend in-game currency (RC), which you get from killing mobs, to completely remake your character.

phoenixwing28d ago

@xRisto how much did it change the gameplay though? Changing your character would have probably not cost any rc if they weren't hellbent on getting money by making it inconvenient

koga8828d ago

You can literally edit your character using in-game gold, dropped from monsters or obtained from selling items, as soon as you reach the first main town. You can even use Rift Crystals obtained from other people using your pawn or dropped from monsters to change your entire character or Pawn. It's paying to avoid doing something that is literally in the game.

PRIMORDUS28d ago

They are lucky there using Denuvo or their game and all future DLC etc. would be for free. 🤣

phoenixwing28d ago

@koga you completely missed the point i was making but go ahead and act like i'm being the wrong one

lucian22927d ago

you can pay ingame currency though; why are ya so derp

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Crows9028d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Capcom cares quite a bit....hence why it was kept from reviewers and initial impressions.

As far as optional...yeah...ALL mtx are optional. That's not the problem. The miss the mark entirely.

Heck buying the game is "optional" too.

The fact that they were hiding this is scummy as hell. I was going to buy this day 1 or day 3. Now I'm reconsidering the purchase entirely because as the reviews point out...there are certain design decisions which have not changed but funnily enough seem to be remedied by these mtx...

In other words they may have left certain features in the game in order to monetize them. So the mtx affected the development of the game in a negative way.

garos8228d ago

I'm certainly not buying it anymore. It has affected at least one sale from me. I'll pick it up second hand

peppeaccardo28d ago

Very close to buy the game at a discounted price but not anymore.
Bad business practice and hence they do not get my support/money !

warriorcase27d ago

It wasn't kept fromreviewers s though. Twitter reviewers are saying there was mention of mtx's in the reviewers guide

-Foxtrot28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

STOP. USING. THAT. SHITTY. EXCUSE

God damn man

Look how DLC changed after Oblivions horse armour, within 10 years most developers took the absolute p***. What was said then aswell? “It’s only optional who cares?” Now look where we all are.

There’s no half measures with these things, when will people realise this.

jwillj2k428d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Oh it’s gonna get worse. Ng+ locked behind mtx, “cool downs” preventing you from playing for more than 3 hours at a time unless u pay the mtx for unlimited access, main campaign bosses, in-game music, certain dialog, difficulty modes, certain npc interactions, all locked behind mtx, etc.. etc. gonna end up being like the NBA 2k games eventually paying for cross overs and shit… They gon get mid-evil on our asses.

OMGitzThatGuy28d ago

I can guarantee most of the items you can buy with mtx and ingame currency wouldn’t exist in ANY paid form if the main goal wasn't monetization. If the goal is to give idiots who are willing to pay for basic game features as mtx a way to do things faster then the only ones the mtx hurt are the non paying players as you are now locking features behind a grind that you chose to put in the game that you are essentially admitting to creating some type of time sink. I have never heard of a game locking basic character editing behind a ingame paywall, it’s usually just an option.

Chard27d ago

Takes two to tango though - unfortunately people buy this garbage which incentivises the behaviour. It's an inevitable outcome of the profit motive

thorstein28d ago

@Mario

Yes. And so are resurrection "Wakestones." You can find them but they're rare.

victorMaje28d ago

Buying the game is now very optional too. If you don’t know why then you don’t get it.

shinoff218328d ago

Because it's only a door way. That's why we care. We've already seen some shit since Mtx was introduced.

Rimeskeem28d ago

1. DD2 is an ARPG with 8 different playable classes
2. There is no multiplayer aspect to the game
3. You can only have one character (have to pay for more)
4. You cannot delete the character unless you go into the game files
5. The game is $70 dollars upfront

Having to pay for more character slots in a game that *features* 8 playable classes is pretty much not optional for an ARPG.

Angyobangyo28d ago

Judging from steam reviews, gamers care. Not plastic gamers. Why didn’t Itsuno mention such MTX would be available in-game? Why weren’t the MTXs there for review copies?

Kiryu199227d ago

Who cares is how all this started. The many many excuses. Please keep defending these greedy publishers and unfair tactics. We be gamers are the problem

Horse armor

$10 online passes if buying a used copy

Cheat codes gone and are replaced by micro transactions

Unlocking stuff by playing games behind micro transactions and XP boosters

It’s only cosmetic

No one is being forced to spend even though publishers are literally making their games more grindy to force people to play

Full priced games have mobile game type micro transactions

$70 priced games because higher development costs while making record profits and laying off record number of employees

And to play the game early pay us extra $20-30 on top of full price

Release games now and promise to maybe fix them later only to abandon the game

Day one patches that make the games worst

If it’s your favorite game defend the publisher if it’s not hate on another publisher for similar content

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kenpachi28d ago

Must have picked up some EA crew to put this in the game

robtion28d ago

Yeah these are really bad ones. Directly impacting gameplay too. Super scummy move. I hope nobody buys them.

CrimsonWing6928d ago

Yet Helldivers 2 gets a pass? Y’know a GotY contender by the name of RE4 had them and so does Devil May Cry V. The funny thing is I enjoyed both of those games thoroughly without having to buy a single microtransaction.

What I do consider a valid complaint is not being able to start a new game or being able to edit your character. That’s kind of a seriously baffling decision, but then I think how I played Dragon’s Dogma 1 and I never edited my character and I just did a 100% playthrough on a single file and didn’t start a NG since. So, I don’t think these are really going to impact me, but I can see how it will others.

Crows9028d ago

Helldivers 2 is a live service game where everything is obtainable in game with incredible ease.

Not sure about re4 or DMC but nobody is giving anyone a pass ...this article is about dragons dogma 2...not those games.

What is valid are in game features made to supposedly force you to think carefully only to have a surprise online store offer solutions to built in problems for more money.

Goosejuice28d ago

Those same things they are selling can be found Ingame as well. U can buy the character editor through merchants with gold. Don't get me wrong..I dislike these mtx they are doing but you don't need to buy them to be able to get them.

CrimsonWing6928d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Oh my bad, I can’t bring up games with microtransactions that nobody had a sh*t fit over. My mistake.

I love how people move the goalpost.

Crows9028d ago

@goose
@crimson

All mtx sucks. I'd rather helldiver's not have them because it makes me wonder if the rate at which you collect materials. That said. The games features are all fully enjoyable and aren't affected by the mtx.

That's not the case with dragons dogma 2...they left in place features that are supposedly part of the challenge of the game only to let you buy your way out very conveniently. I didn't look through all of them but I've heard some are rare but can be purchased with more money now. Even more so in a game about managing weight load there's a tent, I believe, that you can pay more money for that weighs less than your typical tent...not all sure on all the mtx and I'm aware that you can purchase many through in game vendor but they're incredibly useful mtx that are obtained much more slowly in game...or even a limited amount of them.

Instead is selling fast travel...just let us don't for free....or instead of selling cosmetic changes...how about letting us do it for free...

Nothing in helldivers comes close to this abomination

Angyobangyo28d ago

One is a single player game and one is a live service game. One is $40 vs$70. And most importantly, one game is there to spread democracy.

Ironmike27d ago

It's not incredibly easy for certain things in helldivers though u still have grind quite bit but u ate correct in saying u can eventually get enough medals to purchase stuff

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Moegooner28d ago

Read your comment again and maybe, just maybe you might realise how dumb it was.

CrimsonWing6928d ago (Edited 28d ago )

What was dumb about it? That I pointed out the hypocrisy?

garos8228d ago

It was extremely scummy that capcom hid this from reviewers. I have no doubt this game is good but these type of microtransactions don't sit well with me. They've lost a sale from me

Lionsguard28d ago

I was going to pay full price to support this game because I've been waiting for it for forever but I think I'll wait until I get it for free from Epic or a Humblebundle monthly.

Redemption-6428d ago

I am not defending Capcom, as I am not a fan of MTX in single player games. I do however belive they were open to reviewers about having MTX in their game. The reviewers just decided to leave that part out. Which is very disingenuous. There are some companies that get away with these things. Image if this was done by EA, Ubisoft, or even Activision? I am positive those defending Capcom, would have had their pitchforks ready if the companies listed above did this

anast28d ago

That's why reviewers can't be trusted. In fact, they are not reviewers at all. They get free codes to talk about stuff they don't understand nor care about.

Sanctusone28d ago

I mean it was pretty obvious to anyone with eyes...one of the items you get from deluxe edition was in game items.
1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Which honestly I figured they kept a similar mtx system like DMC5 and the optional red orbs.

Lionsguard27d ago

1500 Rift Crystals doesn't mean anything. The first game had Rift crystals too, you just earned them by people hiring your Pawn and you get it from certain quests.

anast27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

A reviewer's job is to point out the obvious of a product as though they were the consumer. This means reviewers, to do their actual job, would need to review the complete game: the edition they are reviewing, how they got the game, technical aspects, story, and monetization scheme. Since, it is obvious that MT's are a part of the game, it would need to be reviewed. This way people can be informed, so they can decide if they want to play this style of game/monetization scheme.

For example, AC Origins was bad with Mt's. I had to farm side missions or pay to advance the story. This was after I already did close to 25 or more side missions. While I was grinding there were constant reminders that I could pay to ease the grind. I would have never bought the game if it were reviewed properly.

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