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Will Backward Capability Really Be Important For Next Gen? We Think Yes.

PGN - Rumors have been growing these pasts’ weeks about both the PS4 and the Xbox 720, and while they are just rumors one big thing that many are concerned about it whether each console will support past gens titles. While we of course do not know, one has to ask why this is important to have.

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Yi-Long4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

... for starters it will be the 1 deciding factor in making me buy a next-gen console at launch or not, cause I want it to be able to play my library of current-gen games, while waiting for next-gen games to come out.

2nd, if my current-gen console dies and the console itself is out of production, it means I not only lose a console, but a whole library of games I bought and enjoy. Which is pretty much what happened with the Original Xbox. Mine broke down shortly after the release of the 360, yet the original Xbox wasn't being produced or sold anywhere here in Holland anymore.

If next-gen consoles aren't BC, I'm switching over to Steam/Steambox, which won't have that problem.

Nitrowolf24099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Exactly why I would like to have it. I mean, new console swill have good games at launch no doubt, but there will be months of gaps in-between that'll need filling. I could careless if the PS5 has PS3 support though, I just want one generation before support. PS1 games will always work though won't they? IDK XD

Kevin ButIer4099d ago

an absolute must... just no...

Not that I love the idea, but Sony and MS will push on line content as much as they possibly can. I would love to see backward capability but I wont't be surprised if they get rid of it.

jukins4099d ago

come on with sony you know the current gen console will be sold for at least a few years after the new one comes out. and backwards compatability is always hit and miss if you really value it then just keep the original console.

Yi-Long4099d ago

... but Xbox is also entering next-gen, and considering I also have a 360 with lots of games, and knowing how they deserted the original Xbox in such a way that after the 360 was released it was nearly impossible to buy a brand new original Xbox, I have my hesitations.

Especially considering the hardware of both current-gen HD consoles isn't 'great', in that you can't realistically expect them to last 5+ years.

This is why I would consider it a muct for both next-gen consoles to be backwards compatible with current-gen.

LOGICWINS4099d ago

What if my original console breaks later this year? I'm I going to have to spend $700 to buy a PS4 and rebuy the PS3 so I can play PS4/PS3 games?

BadCircuit4099d ago

Totally agree that backwards compatibility is a must. It is especially important during the transition period, as many like me sell our old consoles to help fund the new, but still want to play the games.

akaakaaka4099d ago

Well your points are childish ..

Yes PS4 should be able to play retail games of any older PlayStation version, PSX, PS3, PS3. No need to a excuse on why.

It will help a lot of users to jump over? yes it's good for the gamer.

But the most important thing here is, it will make it win a biger market shear, Xbox/pc only user, will have the power to experience the old PlayStation games plus next gen games all in one box.

Sony better add it if they want to win back some market shear.

Donnieboi4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

You misspelled "share". Twice.

On topic: WHO in their right mind wouldn't want backwards compatibility? However, it would be expensive since Sony would have to keep producing the Cell Chips that have to be specially made. It's not like AMD or Nvidia who they can cut deals with. The Cell Chips have to be specially made only for PS3 and PS4 and will cost a lot because of it's propriety technology.

So, with that said, I think that IF Sony (and this is a big "if") decides that Backwards Compatibility is too costly, then the next best thing they can do is allow you to play your PS3 games on Gaikai (EVEN if you only have the disc version). It's entirely possible, since the PS3 is capable of knowing what game is in the console even before fully booting the game. If you have Uncharted 3 disc in the PS4, and it can tell that it is UC3, then Gaikai can route you to their Uncharted 3 cloud server so that you can play the game.

YES, I know it's annoying since you cant play it offline, but it'll be MORE annoying if the PS4 costs a lot of money due to BC, and doesn't sell a lot of units. The less units sold = low 3rd party support. So, it may be one of many possible cost-effective alternatives. Whether we like it or not.

Producing Cell technology JUST for BC in the PS4 is like beating a dead horse. The tech needs to be taken off of the production line so Sony can start making a profit, instead of bleeding money on propriety technology.

Sony is a business and if they bleed money, then they'll go out of business.

akaakaaka4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Well sony buy the cell manufacturer or machines already ..
so it will not cost much, I'm concerned is if it will over heat the ps4 by having it in just as a extra. I love the idea of gaika but I don't think sony will use such a idea, gaika is there to make money not to please us.

And I bet the first gen PS4 will have the cell but second geb will not just like the ps3.

showtimefolks4099d ago

i want my ps4 to be able to play ps3 games, i am not asking sony to go back all the way to ps1-ps2. just be BC with ps3 games and i will buy the system

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DivineAssault 4099d ago

i wouldnt care about it.. Ill miss demons souls & thats about it.. But wait, its on the network right? Not the same as physical copies but its available.. If they must keep production costs down by ditching it, i wouldnt mind.. This gen had many games with flaws that i wouldnt miss

TheGamerDood4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Exactly, if I want to play last gen games(which I don't) then I'll fire up my PS3, it's not like I'm going to get rid of it anytime soon.

Bumpmapping4099d ago

Should be two bundles one with Backwards Compatibility and one without for people who want a cheaper bundle don't care about playing PS3 games.

1upgamer994099d ago

I agree with that. I for one do not use my PS3 for Blu-ray, because it makes the drive work all that much more. I have Wii U, put my Wii In the closet. Sucks I can't play my Gamecube games but I will download em. I just want backwards capability because I don't need 3 consoles, a dvr, a blu-ray and my receiver too much clutter. :)

Conzul4099d ago

Yup, that's just how I feel. A version with B/C would be great.

LackTrue4K4099d ago

good idea, on that note...when sony released the ps3, i wonder which one sold the most??? The one with BC/or with out BC?

maniacmayhem4099d ago

BC is an absolute, especially with some of the best titles coming out this year. Not to mention i don't really have a whole lot of real estate near my TV. I would like to keep that area as simple and non-convoluted(??) as possible.

The main reason why the Big 3 are heavy investing in making an all around media/entertainment console. Well at least those are the plans of MS> But I am certain Sony wants the same thing.

BanBrother4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

I agree. It would be might convenient. It doesn't bother me so much, as I have an original PS3 (hardly play it, trying to keep it fresh, PS1 and PS2 games only), and I have my slim which I play on. Having 3 consoles when the PS4 comes out would be a pain. If they have PS3 compatibility, I'll be very happy, as that means I only eed my PS3 Fat and the PS4 (I can give the slim to a homeless guy or something'lol.....damn they don't have tv's).

Nevertheless, going off sony's track record, it should look classy under my TV. I wonder how the Blu-ray player will compare to others on the market, considering the PS3's was better than a lot'on the market when it released.

EDIT: forgot about the nextbox lol. I never had an original Xbox, so when I got a 360 I thought I'd buy some old games from the original. Some lf them didn't work, which pi$$ed me off. I hope if they (Sony and MS) do BC, that they don't leave out good games (like PoP 2&3 on the 360....wtf?)

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How to recruit Lam in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Lam is among the 120 characters available for recruitment in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes. While she is one of the many straightforward recruits, a known bug may prevent players from recruiting her if certain conditions are met. Despite developers’ assurances of fixing the bug, some early access players still encounter issues with recruiting Lam despite attempting the standard method.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow19h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos6h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos4h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje4h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon5h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum7h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum3h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola2h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum2h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

jambola2h ago

I agree
Your comment was pretty stupid

Rebel_Scum1h ago

I never said censorship is based on what I say dumbass. Just because I dont see this as censorship doesnt mean I’m saying others cant.

How about you come at me with your opinion rather than snarky comments with no thought on the matter.

SimpleDad4h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola2h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

Barlos2h ago

They'll probably make her trans

CobraKai3h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK3h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh3h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.