The Playstation, Where did Sony go wrong this Generation?

Archimedies123 explains how he believes Sony got where they are this generation. And how they may have helped their own competition.

[M2-]

I think the list of "What Sony did right this generation" would be a better discussion, as the list would be far smaller and more subjective.

[theBAWSE]

@M2 EXACTLY!!! you get silly sites like this begging for hits

Sony are second this generation behind the wii..they have dramatically improved their FREE online offering..have succeeded in pushing bluray into peoples homes just like they did with DVD in the ps2...and the most important thing?....GAMES EXCLUSIVE GAMES...and what I like most about sony which ms really need to start doing is sony continue to support their consoles despite a newer one on the horizon..ms abandoned the original Xbox for the 360 and now it seems history is repeating itself for the nexbox..ps2 has only NOW ceased production!!!

we have sly Cooper,beyond souls,Gow and the last of us to look forward to despite ps4 just round the corner.and are enjoying one of the greatest rpgs I've ever played in ni no kuni...

sony lost marketshare to Microsoft not only due to 360 releasing first but Sony HAD arrogance and a steep price..these days the arrogance seemed to have disappeared so now lets hope they price the ps4 correctly.

all companies make mistakes but Sony knows how to treat its gamers therefore they done plenty right this generation with lessons learned ps4 should be a killer.

[insomnium2]

"ms abandoned the original Xbox for the 360 and now it seems history is repeating itself for the nexbox"

This is very true but lucky for MS their fanbase doesn't seem to care about exclusives anymore.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

"Sony are second this generation behind the wii"

Uh...second in what? It's not Market Share where the 360 is still in 2nd and the Wii 1st. MS have generated more profits this gen then Sony did, Sony lost $180 million in the last 10 years making Sony only worth $12 billion where MS gained 20 million in the last 5 years making MS worth $220 billion....

So again, how is Sony 2nd and what sources are you using to base that claim?

"ms abandoned the original Xbox for the 360 and now it seems history is repeating itself for the nexbox"

I see ignorance is still rampant in a particular fanboy camp. To theBAWSE, insomnium2 and the idiots that agreed....

Nvidia stopped production on the Xbox's GPU. So it wasn't MS that decided to just stop supporting the Xbox, it was Nvidia that decided the end of the Xbox, not MS.

Please do your research.

[juandren]

@lvl-down-gamer: I'm sure nVidia just willingly decided to stop manufacturing components for the Xbox while M$ begged them to keep doing it, right? If somebody offered me the kind of money M$ could have offered them, I would eat shit and all the most horrible things imaginable. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any skin off nVidia's back to continue production

Edit:www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/ microsoft-apple-and-google-wher e-does-the-money-come-from/4469

Just a bit of quick research and you might actually see that M$'s existence (and success) is due to way more than just a game console. Do YOUR research, son.

[Imalwaysright]

I dont believe for one moment that would stop manufactering the Xbox GPU without MS agreement. MS discontinued the Xbox because it was bleeding money.

[theBAWSE]

@levelupgamer......you get certain comments where the person replying (hence you) are so blinded by FACTS and the love for a company you have NO shares in that you spout the most crap I've ever seen in one persons comment ....you've actually made yourself look unintelligent ...where do I start with the bull you just wrote?

[MikeMyers]

After watching the video it is true that Nintendo had to make some major adjustments and coming out with the Wii was a gable that paid off for them. This explosion left Microsoft and Sony fighting over the same market while Nintendo created their own. So while Microsoft and Sony fought over a market that had pretty much stagnated from growth it left Nintendo all alone with a cheaper and more casual system.

I don't think the PS3 shows what Sony did wrong but rather what Microsoft did right. They came out earlier and more aggressive and beating Sony to the punch by aligning themselves with big franchises like Grand Theft Auto. That put more pressure on Sony to deliver with their own exclusives that were costly to make and not coming out on time. As Sony focused more on gaming and less on promoting bluray and HDTV's, the PS3 got better. So to me this article is a bit late. If I were to criticize Sony it would be their marketing.

[dlpg585]

@juandren microsoft is first and foremost a buisness. the xbox was a financial failure made to make a brand for themselves. they weren't gonna make their money back and if they spent more time trying they would've just fallen flat on their face. the 360 was more popular because of it's relatively early release. it established a next gen fanbase first and let devs spend more time with the hardware. since it was a success i'll expect them to back the system a bit more than the original xbox. but i have my pc so i'm not really scared.

i fear that sony may repeat history this generation while they "wait for xbox to make the first move"

this video makes the point thatsony doesn't have the name brand recognition when it comes to game titles that the other two do. while nintendo has... well nintendo titles. microsoft has halo and the ever popular call of duty (i know it's not an exclusive, but with the timed dlc and larger fanbase, it helps microsoft more than sony). while sony has a slew of good games, the lack of a console defining game early in it's life cycle never let it grow as large as the other two.

[MikeMyers]

dlpg585, I'm not sure if I agree with everything you said but I will say this. Sony needs to do a much better job on the PS4 than they are currently with the Vita. This topic does support the argument of Sony not knowing what to do more so with Vita than the PS3.

You also have to take into context that the hardcore fan who frequent forums like this are not the market that has the most growth. In fact many here would tell you all about the vast PS3 exclusives while telling everyone to stay away from Call of Duty. Sales suggest a different story. So does Sony continue to support this group or try and regain more growth and marketshare? I know for a company that isn't doing well financially what the answer should be.

[OmegaSlayer]

Sony lost lots of ground in the beginning because of Japan.
What went wrong in this gen imho is Japan.
Japan developers had no clue where to go with gaming.
They all jumped ship to cather to the Western audience and supported MS at the beginning more then Sony, and allowed some strategic franchises to go multiplatform like Devil May Cry, Tekken, Final Fantasy or developed exclusives for Microsoft.
That's what splitted the hardcore fanbase in the beginning of the gen and was a damage that was brought over.
Japan didn't had faith in Sony, that's the problem.
Sony showed that they were wrong.

Also...I think that Sony has problems with overall game direction this gen.
While some games are very good gameplay wise, they fall short on identity, personality and charme.
Resistance 1 was a good game, but both Nathan Hale and the Chimeras weren't even remotely attractive as Master Chief and Halo's universe.

Uncharted is a hell of a game, though the average american teen, is more attracted by Marcus Fenix than Nathan Drake.

And so on and on and on.
If you take the majority of high selling franchise they have an iconic character (or a fictional World) towards whom fans grow a terrific affection that leads them to buy games...Ezio, Snake, Dante, Kratos, Shepard...that's what Sony lacked big time in their exclusives.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah We get it BlueRay, Exclusives free Online. Xbox sucks no games paid online MS will Abandon the 360 blah blah whatever. PlayStation is the greatest thing ever.

For the 100th time when the new Xbox gets anounced and MS shows off their brand new games your gonna forget about what you posted and be hyped for the 720. Matter of fact, everybody is, all the MS bashing will be an afer thought when the new machine gets debuted I bet $$$ on it.

You know I'm glad fanboys found a home to spread garbage. And luckily a little site this doesn't matter just a blip in the gaming verse. Nobody would want to listen to fanboys NOBODY.

Sorry for the negativity but its getting really, REALLY old now....

Considering this post has nothing to do with the Xbox.

[Diver]

did anyone visit the site? how does this stuff get approved. desperate much?

[aceitman]

we have seen new ip's that grew and where exclusives , all exclusives selling at least 100 million copies together total sales. I can say that's good numbers so I can say the guy is wrong with exclusive stuff, after all ms used that tatic exclusive dlc 1st on 360 ,then ps3 30 days to 6 months later .

[Dee_91]

@Lvl_up_gamer
Ohhh so since sony lost money the ps3 isnt 2nd behind wii in sales.
Okay thanks for clearing that up.I was confused for a bit.

@AngelicIceDiamond
whats going to happen when ps4 gets announced?

"You know I'm glad fanboys found a home to spread garbage.And luckily a little site this doesn't matter just a blip in the gaming verse. Nobody would want to listen to fanboys NOBODY. "
Im sure you mean the article at hand and not this site right?

[SilentNegotiator]

While Sony screwed up with the price, I think the real factors on this generation (compared to last) is what Microsoft did right to rise Xbox out of being a barely recognized and Nintendo going after a completely different market than has ever really been tapped.

[MaxXAttaxX]

I swear I think I've seen this type of article being written before... like a lot, every year.

Weird.

[xursz]

Did AngelicIceDiamond just come into a negative Playstation article to call out fanboys and rave about the new xbox which hasn't even been announced yet? The irony... It hurts.

And people agreed with him?

[Kurt Russell]

I just wished there was a bit more co-op based games on the PS3. I play a lot of co-op with friends on the xbox (gears, halo etc) and would have liked a bit more of that with games like Resistance. Don't get me wrong there are some epic single player games... but I miss my fwiends :(

[Knushwood Butt]

@ Omega

I don't know why you got so many disagrees, as what you wrote about the Japanese devs was spot on.

So many of them, that were loyal to Sony in the previous gen, jumped into bed with MS, who had money to throw around and a big head start in the US. To be honest, I think Capcom are responsible for a lot of that. Things like Lost Planet and Dead Rising were 360 exclusives from a Japanese dev...

[otherZinc]

@theBawse,

Again...

When SONY announces in a letter to its shareholders they are "NOT" in last place, it will be binding.

If SONY were doing as good as you guys think, they would respond to NPD with a letter of greatness to its shareholders.

If SONY corroborates "VGChartz" story of SONY passing M$'s 360 in console sales world wide to its shareholders in writing; its true!

Fact is, it isn't true. This is why you or any other fan on this site has ever read or seen SONY telling its shareholders its leading M$ in console sales.

Still waiting on SONY respond to Holiday NPD results the way M$ & Nintendo has responded in a letter to its binding shareholders.

[Irishguy95]

Didn't really go wrong, they just wasted the first few years to reap the rewards of the second half

1: Release at a high price. This was simply inevitable due to the Blu ray player. But Blu ray pays itself off now.

2: Cell processor, no one knew how to use it at release....paid off now again

3: Psn Security system was a bit flawed, which hackers took advantage of.

4: Releasing a year later than Xbox and being even more delayed in Europe(like 6 months or something) at an even higher price than the US.

That's about it. They started out bad, with a loss on every playstation, with low sales, with not much exclusives and literally none of them utilizing the Cell. Then another set back with the Hack. However they have caught up and passed MS sales wise, they have a much better system due to the amount of Exclusives they shit out etc. It's a shame for them that they lost alot of their user base to MS, but's that more so for MS upping their game with the 360 and Ps3's slow start.

[morganfell]

"Where Did Game Journalism Go Wrong This Generation?"

This is why N4G is failing from a community perspective. They may be making money but they provide a platform for articles of the worst kind.

[kneon]

Sony had no choice but to release after the XBox. Bluray and HDMI 1.3 were not finalized until 2006 and Sony wanted those included.

Microsoft launched early and because of that they had no HD optical disk support and no HDMI at all.

We may be in for a similar situation again as I expect they will want the new HDMI and bluray specs for 4K support.

[ChrisW]

@Irishguy95,

In reverse order:

4: Release date and pricing can make or break a console, but Sony, with its fan base, still did well. Can they do it again? No... Mass Kool-Aid suicide would reap more benefits for Sony.

3: PSN is awesome, hacked or not.

2: Cell processor has to this date, been a thorn in some devs' brains. They still cannot wrap their head around it. Nonetheless... PS4 is doing away with the Cell. So, what does that tell you?

1: Blu Ray pays for itself, yes... But in the time frame that it took DVD to catch on from VHS, Blu Ray has faltered... HORRIBLY!!!

[JamieL]

I have to say I disagree with you too Irishguy95. You said almost 3 times how the decisions they made with the PS3 "paid off". They still haven't even come close to "paying off", the PS3 hasn't even come close to "breaking even", let alone paying off yet. I don't see them ever making up what the PS3 lost. OK now my financial analysis is over I will also say, I do agree with what you said if you were talking about from a gamers perspective. Those things did pay off for us, all but the Cell, I think that hurt more than it helped us. I just didn't know how you meant "paid off".

[IAmLee]

Ah, here it is. Haven't seen one of these for a while.. the good ol' n4g classic: I present to you another POINTLESS sony hate article :')

[kreate]

Hehe :)

Funny how all these gamers talk as if they have some kind of stake in the company.

Should of, could of, would of, its how life rolls, it'll happen next Gen too.

Most of these gamers are just fanboys putting on the nerd glasses.

[lfclee]

Another flamebaiting article !

[Bathyj]

firing krazy ken is the only real mistake they made of any consequence.

nearly everything else they were mocked for turned out to be the right move

[Ezz2013]

i still remember
"ps3 has no gamez...who need blue-ray...psn sucks" etc

now it clear that sony did make ps3 a future proof console that can go over the 10 years plan
of course along with ps4

[Death]

How is this clear? No such thing as a future proof console exists. To be future proof, the PS3 would have to be able to compete against a new console without having to release a new version. The WiiU is arguably more powerful and the next Xbox and PS4 much more powerful. We will continue to see Xbox 360 and PS3 sales as the new generation launches. This is a proven model that dates back to the Atari 2600 era.

In the 7ish years the PS3 has been around, no game came close to needing a Blu-ray player. We still aren't gaming in 1080p exclusively either. What few games exist in 1080p are simply upscaled. The amount of content needed for true 1080p gaming is unnessasary and cost prohibitive. Gamers financed Sony's battle against HD-DVD with the PS3. Games received no benefit.

PSN is a much better product today than at launch. It still not as feature filled as Live, but it is still free.

[Ezz2013]

@death
*no game came close to needing a Blu-ray player.*

hmmm..god of war 3 is 40gb
uncharted 2 is 25gb
uncharted 3 is 40gb
killzone 3 is 40gb
ni no kuni is 20gb
heavy rain is 25gb
infamous 2 is 20gb

should i go on ?!

as for the rest of your comment .. i don't agree with it

[Tr10wn]

"@death
*no game came close to needing a Blu-ray player.*

hmmm..god of war 3 is 40gb
uncharted 2 is 25gb
uncharted 3 is 40gb
killzone 3 is 40gb
ni no kuni is 20gb
heavy rain is 25gb
infamous 2 is 20gb
"

But Skyrim is just 5GB how is that possible? and with about 2GB it looks way better than any PS3 game.

BF3 and The Witcher 2 are probably the best looking PC games to date and they are both under 20GB and they are the best looking games out there right now, you can't honestly say GoW3 needs 40GB.... is more like they dont want to compress their games because they have blu-ray disc hence the point of death, IMO blu-ray was not needed just yet all that bullshit about changing disc ect ect is just that bullshit, i remember playing MGS4 with my bro and friends and otacon said something to snake about "snake remember we are on a PS3 we dont need to change disc anymore" and we couldn't stop laughing because after he said that we had to wait 5 mins for the game to install we were like we could have changed the disc like 10 times on that time, blu-ray was not needed on this gen IMO it was just a gimmick just like 3D something fancy.

[Ezz2013]

@Tr10wn

from DF vs. uncharted 3

"Naughty Dog has taken full advantage of the Blu-ray delivery mechanism and utilises a colossal 46.3GB of space.

There are some "luxuries" in that allocation - 3.24GB of behind-the-scenes movies, 7GB of foreign language audio, and 10GB of 3D movies (pre-rendered cut-scenes are stored both in 2D and 3D versions) but by our reckoning there's at least 16GB of core game data being used in this game - and even then, Naughty Dog is employing compression on top of that, so the real size of these assets easily moves north of 20GB - not including pre-rendered movies. All of this is driven by executable code just 18MB in size"

so uncharted 3 without the cutscenes and 3d etc
just pure gameplay is 20gb alone
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

as for skyrim on pc
no you are wrong those 2gb High textuers pack didn't do any thing and the game was still ugly

untill the mods stepped in and then made the game almost CG
i have it on my pc with all the mods it's 20gb

[Knushwood Butt]

@ Tr10wn

You may have a point, but the flip side of that is that there are many first party 360 games that had to be cut back in order to be crammed onto a DVD.

Remember PGR3? Remember how it hardly has any tracks? I worked on that game (indirectly) and know for a fact that some of the tracks featured in the game take up a **** load of space. I guess it was to incorporate the different weather versions of the same track. Anyway, point is that those few tracks took up the majority of the space on the DVD. There was simply no more space on the disk for more.

[Death]

hmmm..god of war 3 is 40gb
uncharted 2 is 25gb
uncharted 3 is 40gb
killzone 3 is 40gb
ni no kuni is 20gb
heavy rain is 25gb
infamous 2 is 20gb

Using and needing are completely different animals. Which of these games is longer than a DVD based game? Which is visually more stunning than a DVD based game? The ability to place bonus content on the same disc as a DVD based game hardly seems like a fair trade for the 45% of the market share lost to competitors.

8 years on the market and Microsoft had a forza game that had additional content loaded to the HDD from a second disc and Halo 4 had their multiplayer do the same thing. Once installed you were done. Is it better to have all content on one disc? Absolutely, but at what cost? Blu-ray was supposed to make it so all games were in "TrueHD" 1080p and much longer. Which of these happened?

[Bathyj]

actually Death, all those games except probably infamous are better looking than almost any console game on dvd so you kind of argued against your point, but bluray isnt about pretty graphics, its about having less constraints in developement.

and who ever said bluray meant all games were supposed to be 1080p? let me guess, you mean the always misquoted "ALL games will be 1080p at 120fps"

[showtimefolks]

1.started out at $599-499 and still out sold xbox360

2.had no games for first 12-18 months

3.PSN when started was a mediocre service at best compared to xblive

4.sony was very arrogance

5.but than sony realized its not last generation, and the success of ps1-ps2 doesn't automatically they can release a console that is expensive and hard to develop for yet get a free pass from their fans and media critics.

5.but than sony made sure it delivers what matter most GAMES,GAMES AND MORE GAMES. 12 fully owned studios,many 2nd party studios. and they have delivered what should matter most and that's games. but they also gave psn an over haul and and made psn:plus which is a great and very under rated service

this is what i want everyone to think about, sony did their best to shoot themself in the foot yet have passed xbox360 sales wise and have done a lot right over the last 3-4 years. now moving on to ps4 they have their past experiences to learn from.

competition is great for us as gamers meaning we will get better products and those products will get better software support

I wouldn't be surprised is sony announced a lot of games at E3 that will be coming in 2014-2015. Nintendo just did that yet their fans are acting like those games are coming out in 2013. so announce as much stuff as possible and show that this time from day one its gonna be a different story.

Killzone 4
Gt6
Uncharted 4
Resistance 4
ratchet and clank
New IP from GG
New IP from sucker punch
new IP from sony santa monica
read st dawn's new game
QD's next game
david jaffe's next game
insomniac doing a new IP
getaway reboot
Syphone Filter reboot

GT6 and Killzone 4 must be ready for launch of ps4.

no doubt sony has done a lot wrong but how they fell to where they are today, its starting to improve. so i like their chances the most when it comes to PS4.

I don't think they will make a system that will be hard to develop for

I don't think ps4 will cost any where near $500

and i don't think we are gonna have to wait for next gen games for a long long time after release of ps4 from sony.

A new over haul for psn on ps4 with cross game chat and a new and improved PSN:Plus from day one

[Death]

It's incredible how many people still don't understand market share. Sony never intended to compete with Microsoft or Nintendo. They were competing with previous PS2 sales and marketshare. The PS2 and PS1 owned 75% of the console market with hardware and even more with software sales. They currently own 30% of the same market. That is not good in any way. Microsoft grew from 12.5% to 30%. Nintendo went from 12.5% to 40%. From a purely business perspective, Sony's failures this gen are what allowed a new Xbox and the WiiU to exist.

[showtimefolks]

Death

no doubt you have a legit point, but i don't think sony could have done much when they gave MS a open season with a year ahead start

wii was just so incredible because motion controls and wii sports caught fire and there was no stopping it,

i honestly believe that when sony comes out with ps4 that they will lead in sales from day one and will beat whatever wii-u sales set within a year. I thin son'y downfall has taught them so much that they can't make the same mistakes again.

i don't see sony going after casual market, i think they understand their market better than ever before and its with core gamers who want above everything else killer games

also i am glad ms and nintendo did well because it was time for sony's arrogance to end. they thought they could do no wrong.

PS: ps3 is on track to be the highest selling console of this gen too.

[Tr10wn]

Holy shit they are giving David Jeff another game after what he did with Twisted Metal all that trash talk and low hopes for the game he created?

[BullyMangler]

Sony and Micro

[imdaboss1]

sony ps3 is selling better then the 360 world wide ..they did make mistakes but they still came on top

[kenshiro100]

The only two things Sony did wrong this generation was the price on the PS3 and marketing needed to be much tighter. Other than that, they were always heading in the right direction.

[Godmars290]

A former CEO of the console division making a casual comment their competition beat to death?

That and letting MS steal most of the multimedia thunder when their system not only had the most advantages, but Sony itself possessing movie and TV studios. I mean Crackle.com was up and running on XBL before it was playable on the PS3's browser are the app.

[nukeitall]

Which really highlights the main problem, bad management that continue to plague Sony. fire the idiots and get a new team in!

[Root]

So he's trying to say that the reason Sony make exclusives is because they are desperate to find out which game is going to be their next big seller.

They are giving us different genres of games because they want us to experience new games...not because they are desperate to find their own Halo or COD.

Why twist it to seem like Sony have some dark, secret hidden agenda. If one of the franchises becomes a big seller then that's a bonus for them.

[EddieNX]

That's BS. So you're honestly saying Sony doesn't even care about making money and are quite happy to invest loads of money into New IP that aren't even guaranteed to make any major Return ?

Sony's 100% main objective is to make money. By Making new IP's they're litteraly trying to create the next big thing , which in turn makes money for them.

Sony is in a very dark place right now sad but true. OK the ps3 is powerfull has a blu ray player and you've been getting some new IP's.

Has any of that helped Sony be successfull ? nope , the complete opposite. They've been giving away money , and it's not sustainable .

[Hicken]

OF COURSE Sony cares about money. And NOTHING Root says hints at anything different. Fact is MOST of Sony's IPs DO make money. You can say there's no guarantee, but there seems to be a track record of it, nonetheless.

But they're not putting all their eggs in one basket, like Microsoft or, to a lesser extent, Nintendo. They aren't trying to create the "next big thing," or they'd have that with Uncharted and not bother with anything else. They'd have had it with Jak and Daxter, with Ratchet and Clank. With Little Big Planet. With Gran Turismo. With God of War.

Sony could have taken ANY ONE of those IPs and turned them into THE IP, but they didn't.

Please, continue to do the ignorant thing that seems to somehow have become common sense, and equate Sony's company-wide woes into problems started and perpetuated by the gaming division.

They've made their mistakes, but don't act like they're in some ridiculous state of distress they can't recover from.

[Dee_91]

that is so funny hickens
" equate Sony's company-wide woes into problems started and perpetuated by the gaming division"
I was wondering how long it was gonna take for someone to notice this.
Sony losing money so that means the ps3 is doing bad apparently.

@kingofwiiu
how did you get that from anything root said ?
like there should be a reading comprehension test you have to pass before you can sign up.my god

[B1663r]

Um, wait a second...

Are you seriously trying to say that Sony didn't hype to mother effing capsular out of Little Big Planet long beyond the time it was obvious that it was a total failure and had no cultural cache???

I mean to this day they hype the crap out of Sock Boy, and no one even knows who he is...

Trying to make a trade mark out of Sock Boy (which Sony is still doing to this day, even though the effort was a total failure) absolutely reeks of desperation...

[deafdani]

The first Little Big Planet game is one of the best selling PS3 games. Yeah, it's nowhere near the levels of popularity of any given Mario game, but that does not equate a failure.

[jjb1981]

The only thing wrong was letting their network get hacked and shutting psn down for 6 weeks. Other than that I love my ps3 and all its services

[MasterCornholio]

I hope that Sony learns from its mistakes and that something like this doesnt happen again. But still Sony has done a terrific job in developing their online network.

[Karpetburnz]

Sony diddnt let the hackers into their network. and PSN was only down for 3 weeks.

[jjb1981]

Felt like 6....

[fourOeightshark]

4 weeks.

[Timesplitter14]

I think all the next gen consoles should give up on all the "media center" functionalities (except the basic ones like playing movies and music). They should put all their effort and money into making a game console. No browser, no social network integration, none of this shit.

This was a problem I found with both the X360 and PS3 this gen.

With that said, the PS3 did not "go wrong" this gen. It didn't sell as much as the X360 but that's because it catered to a different audience. One who does not masturbate to Call of Brown and Master Chef every morning

[Flewid638]

I dunno how much of a good idea that is. I use my PS3 HEAVILY as a media center. My girlfriend bought a PS3 just for the apps, divx/mpeg support and blu-ray.

Phones, tablets, PC's etc....devices are put into the hands of more people when common media outlets are available on them. For someone like me who can't afford cable, basic subscriptions on things like Hulu, Netflix, free Crackle, etc are a god-send.

PLUS having tons of games? I see nothing wrong with this at all. Best purchase I made in the last decade.

[MRMagoo123]

@timesplitter

"With that said, the PS3 did not "go wrong" this gen. It didn't sell as much as the X360" the ps3 outsold the 360 just in case you didnt know.

[Death]

Neither company has made a statement on this topic. An independent marketing/research company "believes" Sony has approximately 1 million more units shipped to retailers. A similar story leaked in early 2011 that turned out to be false. Sales between the two are extremely close, but it's clear Sony has sold more annually on average with 2011 being an exception. We may get clearification in March when the financial reports are released, but we need to see both companies annuals to get a better idea.

[WheatBread]

$599.99

[Knight_Crawler]

and to add insult to injury the had the b@lls to tell us to get two jobs to afford one :(

[JamieL]

These 2 are what made me buy a 360.

[JackBNimble]

@ Broburger
Lucky you, back in november of 2006 I payed $699 + tax.

[Flewid638]

Ummm....no where?

Third and first party support, a global user base surpassing the 360, tons of games.

I see nothing wrong here...

[chronoforce]

how about losing almost half of their market share

[JamieL]

Yea and still being so far from making a dime off the PS3, that it will probably never even break even.

[Flewid638]

Sony losing half of their market share doesn't equate to doing poorly. They still managed to outsell it's major competitor this past year. Devs make games for it because they can make money making games on it.

All systems did well. And...every company will have flaws. Still see nothing wrong here.

[susanto1228]

@M2 not talking about the negatives will never fix these companies...

from the PSP to the PS3 to the PSvita tons of bullets can be written about what went wrong with all 3 and how they got toppled by both nintendo and xbox....putting
these companies in their place and pointing out all their mistakes can only make them better.....

[Ryo-Hazuki]

Do we always have to go over this?

A year late and making the console $599 because of the manufacturing cost of blu-ray at the time. Due to that they were always behind in the pricing edge. Many people chose the cheaper option and still do even today (4GB Xbox is $199 while cheapest PS3 in America is $270). With that being said they are slightly ahead or dead even with the 360.

Next-gen they won't make those mistakes. They won't be a year late and this time they will launch with the same price as it's competitor. Big difference

[DangerousDAN]

Ryo? You escaped the cave? Where's Shenmue 3, asshole? I've been waiting a decade.

(just having fun here lol. take care, man)

[TheSauce]

"Next-gen they won't make those mistakes. They won't be a year late and this time they will launch with the same price as it's competitor. Big difference"

And you know this how?

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

don't question ryo.

[Flewid638]

Even with all that happening, they still earned 1st place globally. All of this talk about what went wrong for any company doesn't change the fact that Nintendo, MS and Sony all did well this gen.

Nintendo made a casual system with a hype that died early.
Microsoft made a system that had a high failure rate and a great online service.
Sony made an overcomplicated to program Blu-ray player that provides top 1st Party support and exclusives.

All flawed, yet all performed greatly. It's ok.....its all ok.

[e-p-ayeaH]

The PlayStation sucked big time with multi-plat games thanks to cell on the PS3.

Its the not developers fault when a company forces you to code something completely different from other platforms.

Glad this generation is almost over the PS4 better not have these stupid mistakes.

[Bowzabub]

Worldwide economic crashes couldn't have anything to do with it.... Given this fact, I think that all of them did pretty good.

[Dogswithguns]

Im happy with my PS3, thank you very much.. and yeah, PS3 games are awesome.

[NastyLeftHook0]

1. The price was worth every penny. (but in terms of usual console prices it was too much.

That's all i can think of.

But what did sony do right?

1.tons of exclusive games that are not only graphically amazing, but award wining also.

2.Creative ip's

3. Most awarded game of all time, Uncharted 2.

4. Highest rated hd exclusive, Uncharted 2.

5. Brought amazing jrpg games.

6. Reliable Hardware.

7. They indroduced the best media format-Bluray.

8. They pleased gamers with free online.

9. Playstation Plus is the best online console service.

10. They have rechargeable controllers out of the box so you dont have to buy them seperate.

11. They did there harddrive limited by only forcing you to buy there own. you can buy some at electronic shops.

12. sixaxis. fun and simple.

13. 1.1 accuracy with playstation move.

[Tontus]

1. Loads of exclusives on Wii, Xbox 360 and PC have been praised for their visuals and are award winning.

2. All platforms have creative IP's.

3 & 4.
Why are you so obsessed with mentioning critical reception and awards won? Do you really think that other peoples opinions objectively make Uncharted 2 great or do you rely on other peoples opinions to reassure your own? There's plenty of games that have received universal critical acclaim and won tons of awards this generation, not exclusively Uncharted 2.

5. Amazing JRPG games? Name 5.

6. Well everyone I know including myself have had their fat PS3 die on them. The slim models maybe reliable but the original model would often break between 2-3 years, not what I'd call reliable.

7. They introduced blu-ray, wow.

8. PC has free online and Xbox Live is better quality.

9. Really?

10. Worth buying a PS3 for.

11. That's nice of them.

12. Sixaxis sucks, always.

13. Move? Is that thing still going? If so what's the point of 1:1 accuracy if hardly any worthwhile games will are made for use of the damn thing.

I love my PS3 but I can easily see that Sony have made loads of stupid mistakes this generation.

[NastyLeftHook0]

ni no kuni.
valriea chronicals
tales
demons souls
white knight chronicals.

OWNED.

[Nes_Daze]

Live is better quality my ass kid, I have an Xbox and I lose connection on it too, I get kicked out of party chats and they implode kicking everybody in it out. I rather pay $50 for 10 free quality games a year than an overrated online service.

[FanMan]

i would disagree about Microsoft having creative IPs. microsoft reminds me of hollywood. just spewing out shit they know the masses will eat up.

[MRMagoo123]

Im guessing tontus' mommy couldnt afford a ps3 for him so he got a 360 and that makes him a sad sad panda :( we all should get together and give him a hug he needs it. on a serious note @tontus

Those where the worst rebuttals i have ever read in my life, you basically just made up crap, said "i dont like it so nobody should" or just ignored the points with stupid remarks.

[HeroReborn]

Lol, you know that fan don't want to hear a rebuttal like that# truth hurts

[VonBraunschweigg]

Where they are this generation? In the driving seat perhaps? The Wii and the 360 have been all but abandoned by Big N and MS. For a new round of Nintendo games you need a new console and MS only has one final lap op Gears to offer, that's it.

[MrDead]

N4G the only place where poor blog sites flourish. No facts here please just flame-bait, should make no.1 in no time.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

A system that wasnt easy to program games on for third party developers and it was over hyped as the most powerful console when the games didnt show that.

[strigoi814]

If 70 million is wrong, then somethings wrong with your mind state..

[Tontus]

The PS2 sold over 150 million, obviously something did go wrong although 70 million is still decent. I blame the poor launch line up, stupidly high price and the Xbox brands rise to relevance which cut heavily into the PS3's market-share since they both target the same demographic.

[bluetoto]

I'm sorry, but can you really compare the 7yr life span of the ps3 to the 10+ yrs of the ps2?

The 3 xbox brands of more of the same won't be enough to sway consumers who are given a proper choice from the very start of the gen.

[Eyeco]

70 million isn't decent its incredible especially for a console that's still on the market selling, the NES sold 60 million in its entire lifetime by your logic that's a disappointment, and especially when you factor everything that did go wrong for the PS3 no other brand would have sustained for so long, certainly not long enough achieve 70 million.

Yes its not quite 150 million but then what is ? people seem to forget that the PS2 sales is a milestone that won't be achieved by any other Home Console for quite some time, 80 consoles have been released in history and the PS3 is the 4th or 5th best selling what does that tell you 3 of the 5 best selling consoles are PS.

The PS3 reaching 100 million in the next 4-5 years (much like the PS1) is incredibly likely, are people still gonna factor the PS2 sales, and call the PS3 a disappointment ?

I agree the Sony could have handled the PS3 better this gen (better launch, dev friendly,better marketing,suitable launch), but if 70+ million and still selling is due to mishandling then the PS brand is more powerful than anyone could have imagined.

[MysticStrummer]

lol @Tontus - Ah I see. We're supposed to take the total PS2s sold after more than 10 years on the market, and compare that to the total PS3s sold after 7 years on the market. Thanks for that lesson in selective statistics. smh N4G is truly amazing.

[USEYOURFIST]

I'm a gamer, I care about games and Sony sure delivered them. Unfortunately marketing by ms and there deep pockets has lost Sony market share, not Sony making mistakes. Sony deserve much more credit then they get this gen I just don't get all the media hate

[Shadow Man]

$599 US Dollars and split ram

[Persistantthug]

As a matter of fact,

All gaming PCs have split ram.

I guess you never thought about that.

[viridius]

Ya... Wana know where sony went wrong? Just do a comparison to the exclusives the ps3 has vs the other systems and then vs exclusives for the ps2.

[Elda]

Now....Sony & the PS3 can do no wrong,I enjoy everything about my system especially always releasing amazing original IP,just wish the browser worked better,I've stuck by Sony for 3 generations & I will a 4th.

[Belking]

They went wrong in a few areas. It could of been worse though.

[Williamson]

All I know is that the ps3 provided me with some great gaming sessions this gen, and made me more of a gamer. I've read many articles about how Sony messed up from a business standpoint, but they delivered imo in the games department. So many great games have come out on not just ps3, but the wii and Xbox as well.

[mmofanatic]

Wow, if only I could buy all the consoles and handhelds and a rockin' PC that would be great.

[Tzuno]

Move bullshit copying kinect, no Backward-compatibility on slim models,price at start, slipping atention from ps3 for that ps-vita thing, arrogance?. As for 360RROD and kinect bullsht. that's it.

[Karpetburnz]

How did the Move copy the Kinect? If anything the Kinect copied the PS eyetoy.

[kenshiro100]

Uh...no.

[MadMen]

This is not even a discussion Point, they screwed up they know it and they have admitted it and worked on turning it around

1: Too Cocky = "next gen starts when we say it does"
2: Price = 599 LOL nuff said
3: Hardware\Software Team not on same page = The now Ex hardware maker is out of the way
4: Marketing = BR player instead of a game machine, Tisk Tisk
5: Devs = asking them to have special teams to support specialized in a business where many cant afford that

SONY has taken note of all the above and even commented on them, they are under new leadership I expect them to take care of business properly next go around

[Nes_Daze]

They're in "second place" for a reason..

They went wrong in the beginning, but they picked up and released a ton of games, and then more games, exclusive ones at that... Then PSN Plus, which is amazing for the price..So they didn't go the way of Nintendo and cater to casuals, good...lol, the Wii had the weakest lineup of the 3.

[black911]

Watch video

[Plagasx]

Letting Microsoft get the year head start. Don't make that mistake again Sony...

[Rageanitus]

Sony had a better product overall... Their mistake was not advertising as well as ms

[araman]

They eventually got that right too, the Butler ads were a smashing success.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

All I can really think of is for Sony to release the Playstation 4 at a more affordable price, include a party chat system, and keep doing what they did with PS3!

[snowman2149]

Marketing. Its all about the ads and the way they advertise their products..Sony really did not know how how market their games this generation, sure things got better with the kevin butler videos but we wont be seeing those again anytime soon..

[vlonjati77]

Muahahahaha

I was refering to the article,not to you.

[Bordel_1900]

In hindsight I think the Cell processor was a big mistake. It took far too long before the PS3 started getting descent multiplatform games and good exclusives. Even today some multiplats still struggle more on the PS3. The Cell processor hasn't proven it self as the hyped up super duper processor that Sony hyped it up to be. At least for gaming it doesn't seem to add much, before the PS3 released Sony were saying that the Cell was so powerful they didn't even need a graphics card, we all know how that went. They were showing demos of scenery and landscapes etc. supposedly rendered with only the Cell. And at the end of the day after all the hype, the PS3 performs more or less on par with the X360.

Next gen Sony should let their games talk and keep the bull to a minimum.

[Funky_Homosapien]

PS2 had 150 millions users PS3 now has 70million = PS3 FAIL

[wishingW3L]

PS3 = 6 years old
PS2 = 12 years old

fail logic. XD

[Karpetburnz]

PS2 had 150 million in 12 years
PS3 has 70 million in 6 years.

PS3 probably wont reach 150 million, but its on track to reach at least 100 million, No other company has done this 3 generations in a row.

Playstation brand = WIN

[the new king 74]

70-76 million is a win and a fail. Numbers suggest that ps3 lost more than the ps2 made. Biggest number that no one talks about is marketshare. Sony lost a major percentage of marketshare in ever market. PS3 is a win for gamers but in no way was it a win from a business standpoint. How is going from an 70-80% marketshare to 30 a win?

[isarai]

They surpassed 360 in total units sold even though it had a way higher price and 360 had an extra year in it's total lifespan. So besides the big hacking incident i don't really see where they went wrong at all

[isarai]

Not to mention they have been damn good at providing an extensive and varied quality exclusive lineup

[profgerbik]

Not to mention PS+

[SuperShyGuy]

And no one actual watches this video. It was acutally very reasonable

[Funky Town_TX]

The vid was resonable. Sony entered this gen like they were not the console king. Hell they could not even get a correct launch date for their console.

[Max-Zorin]

PS3 and 360 fanboys need to meet up and fight already. This is getting ridiculous.

[profgerbik]

LOL I would pay to see that, reminds me of going to the movies when I was in middle school and each school would always meet in the parking lot to say who's is better.

Was so stupid but so funny at the same time. They actually fought hard for their schools also so freaking funny. While practically every kid hated being there at school but was willing to fight for it..

Gotta love the irony.

[DivineAssault]

They went wrong by not doing enough research on what MS was trying to achieve with the 360.. combining media with games & narrowing the gap between PC & console titles.. I must admit that MS hit em hard by building a great machine with enough of the key element behind its ports being done so well, RAM...

If PS3 had as much RAM as 360 & built a modernized UI with some easy (not just powerful) hardware to develop on, it wouldve been a repeat of the PS2 killing all the comp.. It didnt happen but PS3 is far from a failure, & i think they did a great job with what they had... Sony licked its wounds & is ready for this round.. The company is in good hands now & i know its gonna be awesome when PS4 enters the market..

[2pacalypsenow]

They lost many exclusive titles that Launched either only on Ps2 on 1 year early mainly GTA Iv the $600 price and the year later release

[Belking]

Sony tried to steal Nintendo's fanbase with PS move and failed. I agree with what he said about Sony helping the competition. Nin and MS saw what they were doing and did the opposite. MS wasn't gonna make a bunch of new IP's that no one will buy. That's a total waste of money. Sony wasted plenty of money creating IP's that didn't sell very well. But they are learning because they have closed down some studios and stop publishing games like SOCOM and Resistance. Sony did have trouble this gen figuring out what their fanbase liked.

[Funky Town_TX]

looks like you watched the vid.

[Adolph Fitler]

They heavily dominated for 2 gens straight, also setting a new record for install base, as SNES was the former champ at around 60million units. PS1 came in as Sony's 1st ever console & kicked the crap out of both the Sega Saturn (which launched very close to PS1), & N64 (which launched a lot too late, as shown with sales).
Sony's 1st offering sold a staggering 120+ units, doubling that of Nintendo's best console to date in the SNES.
Then Sony released PS2 & it kicked even more butt, especially considering Nintendo now had the forewarning that Sony were not a joke to be scoffed at, as many industry (so called) experts had predicted of Sony, before PS1 launched & caved in the heads of there opposition.

Now, in answer to the question. Sony made the mistake of dominating for 2 gens straight, & dominating heavily. They were up against MS instead of Sega this time, & a very desperate, cunning & smart Nintendo, that blinded the masses with cheap tricks.

Sony put a target on there own back, by dominating for 2 gens straight. That is the 1st & foremost problem they had going into there 3rd gen. Nobody was targeting MS when Xbox only sold 30million units by gens end, & were 3 billion bucks down, & Nintendo were certainly off all radars when N64 & GC failed to set the world alight & they barely had a decent 3rd party developer to there credit.
Sony was the major threat, & really still is.....I mean, Sony hasn't ended up on a total of 25-30million units sold by gens end, like N64, GC & Xbox did, in fact, PS3 is almost equal to 360 sales, even though Sony had horribly negative, prejudice, out of line press against them before PS3 had even launched, along with going up against MS's newest machine that had a lead time of over 12months, & was not short on 3rd party support, as well as the well documented & blown waaay out of proportion higher launch price of PS3.

Sony has done unbelievably well with PS3 thus far, I mean, who knows, PS3 may well break 100 million units sold by gens end......& that in my book, is no mean feat.

So, when we look at the whole picture for what it is, with honesty & cut the fanboy BS......Sony really, are still the biggest threat in the games industry today. Even though many of there 1st party developers have either had to be merged, or just scrapped altogether, they still have the most kickass lineup of 1st party developers of all 3 manufacturers, they have the factories & resources to build a lot of there own parts, whether cell chips, blu ray drives, lcd screens for new DS controllers, & they still manage to catch up to MS's 360 in sales with PS3, even though it had so many negatives weighed against it from day one.

The only area Sony need to try a new tactic with, is marketing & getting PS Vitas into people's hands, as this machine seeems to be sinking fast, & the fact is, I have one, & there is no reason that any self respecting gamer shouldn't own one of these unbelievable pieces of handheld wonder. They are the best ever handheld to grace our store shelves, & we owe it to ourselves to support such great tech, as otherwise we will end up plagued with boring, samely, mobile phone devices & angry bird flash in the pan games to match.

PS Vita proves that a handheld can match the rich, deep, gaming experience that a console provides. I know thats what I get from my Vita.

[Yodagamer]

The 4 things imo sony did wrong:
1)The cell which inflated prices and caused a lack of third party effort, when a normal cpu and a more powerful gpu would have worked just fine
2) Advertising it was horrible from day 1
3)They got cocky and thought an expensive console was okay.
4) Split Ram
3 things that sony did right imo: 1)Great exclusives 2)Psn plus 3) Hardware was built decently (wasn't the best, but better than the xbox).

[Drainage]

nothing spec-wise

PS3- BLACK.Wierd dark baby flying/crying commercials. Reject/Goth type commercials - outcastish.

Xbox360- Green/White lively social, great community. celebrity sponsoring and getting popularity. GTA exlusive DLC type scenerios, like COD. They got rappers, pop singers, lots of banners and commercials everywhere. They also had the competitive gaming field with more exclusive contracts for games like COD, fighting games, etc. Cords on the controllers, cheaper.

Ps3 was left with a reject type community where 80% of your friends in the U.S. has a 360 over a PS3. Even though the PS3 was free and more games. At the end of the day, this is why Apple is successful and other type of brainwashing, social pressure type marketing goes.

[GribbleGrunger]

Another negative Sony article. Another playground for 360 kids. They just love these articles ... don't they.

[MikeMyers]

How true.

http://n4g.com/news/1160950...

Pot,
Kettle,
Black

[GribbleGrunger]

Christ, you need to see a specialist. Tell him you have trouble differentiating between conversation and childish drivel

[NeoTribe]

Bit more advertisment wouldnt kill them... Other than that, there the king.

[KnightRobby]

I think they have superb first-party titles. However, PSN and third-party support is a bit of a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of third-party games (Bethesda's Fallout 3 and recently Skyrim) are always inferior compared to other platforms.

Just work on the being programmer-friendly for the PS4 and get the PSN running 24/7 with no downtime. The first-party content is superb.

[urwifeminder]

I tried a sony console it was my first and last i will allways pick the competition nintendo or ms.

[Xer0_SiN]

the ps3 is on a 10 year life cycle. its well on its way to hit the 100+ million mark, following in the ps2 footsteps and the ps1 footsteps before that. you have to remember that the ps2 was just RECENTLY halted in production. that was well into the ps3s life cycle. its going to be the same way for the ps3/ps4. so before people start harping on sony on how the ps3 failed and blah blah, wait...just wait. the game just started for the ps3 lol.

[NoTheMama]

Don't take it personally guys, its just an opinion. If you are a ps3 gamer, then great! But don't let articles like this get to you. More actually playing/enjoying games, less writing essays about who's right or wrong!
Game on!

[smashcrashbash]

Excuse me. But Microsoft's console launched with several features that the PS3 had that it didn't and after RROD it proved it was the sturdier console.The PS3 was a multi media system long before Microsoft and Nintendo tried to do exactly what they were doing from the start. So I am not sure where marketing came into play here.What did they market that was so different from the PS3? One of the main reasons that Microsoft managed to pull ahead is that people forgot what con artist and liars they were before and fell for their tricks.Microsoft didn't advertise anything that was so great that it should have trumped the PS3.What did they advertise? 'My console doesn't have as many features as the PS3,I can only get exclusive DLC and it breaks more then 50% of the time?' Is that what made you flock to it?

[breakpad]

Sony did one and only mistake ...let the Japanese exclusives AAA titles go multiplatform....Monster Hunter Devil may cry , Final Fantasy , Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Resident evil,partially Bayonetta (former capcom employes with PS exclusives and now MGS ....Sony take back these franchises and you will have a guaranteed success ...the fully support of western developers was the mistake end of story

[Whitey2k]

Wait a second did ps3 surpass xbox in sales?? This should be where did ms go wrong o_O

[HeroReborn]

I enjoyed the first two minutes of this video. What was stated about the history of the PlayStation when compared to other consoles was strong opinion pushed by even stronger facts.

The very idea of the PlayStation one was looked at as a joke. Which Nintendo wind up putting a foot and mouth for later. The PlayStation two with a huge success but I agree that it was primarily due to the fact that the other consuls around were utter failures.

And as for this generation the numbers don't lie there in third position primarily due to coming out a year later and two hundred dollars higher than the base model competition.

I owned a playstation and was let down by its lack of interconnectivity with the PlayStation network, I understand that it works for some but unfortunately it just doesn't work for me as a gamer

[BrianC6234]

Sony is doing fine. The only problem is all of the haters. Worldwide they're up with Microsoft. They could do better in the US but it's hard to win every market. Microsoft has an endless supply of marketing cash too. Sony has had a lot of issues to deal with too like all the problems in Japan.

[Platinum_k]

Why would anyone make a video like this just to bash on the Playstation 3???

GET A LIFE!... Just enjoy gaming on your preferred game-console for crying out loud

[_-EDMIX-_]

Whats so damn sad, is we are still basing a whole generation based on 1 year of "um...no games".

Remember this, PS2 in 2000 didn't come out swinging. Sony is BY FAR the best first party publisher this gen. There really isn't much to really debate. They bought more studios, released more new ips (THEY STILL AEE) etc. MS closed studios and Nintendo released the same old, same old.

Sony did a great job this gen. At the end of the day its about the games and Sony once again delivered.

To say Bluray wasn't needed is a joke. Only console fanboys seem to believe this funny little lie. Um ever download LA Noire? Or Max Payne 3? There about 35 to 45 gigs. PS3 exclusives came in a whopping gigs and they where right to.

GT5 has over 1,000 cars, is in 1080p etc......

Forza isn't NOT even close. (I wonder why)

Killzone 2 had 2.5 gig levels (clearly packed with detail) if you tell me its not needed, your either a bad liar or just dumb. ANYTHING THAT LIMITS GAMING IS BAD, it say you don't "need" Bluray even after released like GT5 and Killzone 2 and 3, your just dumb.

Sony won this gen, simply by doing what they do best as a publisher. Delivering til the very end.

Wheres Nintendo's Wii games? MS next big game? I see Sony has a handfull of IPs just waiting to be released. Theres not much to wait for in terms of exclusives on MS and Nintendo's platforms, Sony has a list of games people are waiting for. Just look at the front page of N4G if you don't believe me. LOL. rumors about GT6, Beyond Two Souls, The Last Of Us, etc Sony had a great gen.

[CommonSense]

The Move, Marketing, The PSN debacle.

[chukamachine]

Best gaming machines by a nautical mile this generation.

PS3&PC

[talisker]

Ok, let's suppose they go "right" next generation:
- charge for everything, even twice
- make incredibly faulty, piece-of-crap hardware
- switch to casual mid-gen, abandoning their customers
- limit their services to the most profitable markets only

If they do it, I'll go left.

[bozebo]

Sony didn't really do anything wrong. A few 3rd party devs moved some attention over to the Microsoft camp which Sony bounced back from with great titles later on.

If MS still charge for multiplayer next gen, Sony should earn a better start.

[Buenoblue83]

exclusives are well and good, but the design of the machine means pretty much all multiplats perform better on xbox 360. lots of other companies make really good games to you know. looks like ps4 is gonna kick ass though, cant wait.

[megamanX2]

Where did they go wrong? hmmm oh i dont know by producing crap that nobody cares about.

"Sony are second this generation behind the wii"

Hey people can dream cant they? lol this generation has been over since the wiiu was born last year get with the program, and they are last and will always be....just ask the psvita.

[ziggurcat]

must be getting close to destination playstation... people's mouse icons are probably hovering over the "send" button by now, and this one got a little too twitchy.

[hivycox]

The attached video was mind blowing... I mean of all these trolling/doom articles I have seen the last months this one is the most reasonable and intelligent person I ever listened to...

His points makes clear sense...Its true that some games like mgs 4 and gran tourismo sold 10+ million but thatdoes not change the fact that sony is developing many new IP's... like in the video already stated its sony's way wo find out what likes the audience more and what not... I think the next generation it will either be a better one or a worse one...

Its up to Sony

[Droid Control]

The Sony of 2006 were arrogant.
The price point was too high, the launch games were not very good, and the online infrastructure was weak where compared to M$/

But while Sony turned things around for the better, M$ degenerated into a Wii-wannabe

[Picnic]

What they did 'wrong' is that:

1) Nintendo went all gimmicky by releasing the Wii. It actually started off with some mature type games such as Red Steel, Manhunt 2 and Mad World but then it was realised that Nintendo didn't need to attract the mature crowd (as they had also tried with the Gamecube) because, a bit like the NES, there was more money in being entirely family friendly and a bit sterile with it too (especially in the adverts).

2) Microsoft got more well known franchises on the Xbox360 than it had had on the Xbox with timed exclusives, decent advertising, XboxLive was popular and the machine was better looking than the original Xbox. The Kinect was more popular than the Move because it didn't just look like a reworking of the Wii.

3) People had got cheapskatish about Sony products. Their TVs had gone a bit out of fashion as Samsung , LG etc entered the market. When DVDS were so cheap, people didn't want to spend quite so much on Blurays. And even now that Blurays are cheap, people can download instead- including on the PS3. As people got a bit cheap about Sony, their surrealistic adverts didn't have quite the same effect.
And when the PS3 was launched as a fat Spiderman fonted expensive box with 'no games' and Sony were talking about anything other than games it didn't set a good tone for a games console. The early branding / presentation of the PS3 lacked colourful pizzazz compared to the Xbox360 and Sony had no notable reputation from the previous generation for online play.

Sony lost a few exclusives to become mulformat and some of their new ones got mediocre reviews.

It's all changed now as Sony gets it right in the end.

[deafdani]

- $600! GET TWO JOBS!
- RRRRIIIIIIDGE RACEEEEEEEER!!!!!
- Awesome game, 100% historically accurate!! *Giant enemy crab pops on screen*

:P

In all seriousness, though, it's true that Sony had a ridiculously rocky start with the PS3, and suffered a lot in its first years in the market. But that doesn't change the fact that, nowadays, the PS3 is an incredible machine with a superb price, a very large library of quality games (many of them exclusive), and that the PS3 introduced several new IPs for gamers this generation, as well as a very cool, competent and FREE online service. Because of all of this, I'm very thankful to Sony for the PS3, and I hope that everything goes well for them in the end, and that the PS4 does much, much better than the PS3 did.