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Xbox 720 in beta; AMD HD 8000M to power next-gen consoles?

GC: The guy who has leaked the Durango dev kit pics has said that the Xbox 720 or Xbox 3 is officially in the beta stage and he is awaiting his updated dev kit.

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WetN00dle694135d ago

I dont think that both the Ps4 and Xbox 3 will be running the AMD HD 8000M. That slide is just an AD by AMD saying that they are the leading brand for GPU's be it console or PC. But who knows.

DeadlyFire4135d ago

I suspect higher than this though if they use AMD 8000 Mobile GPU it will have to have minimum of around 2 Tflops.

I suspect the aim is between 2.5-3.5 Tflops for PS4/X720.

AMD 7970M GPU runs at 2.1 Tflops so its sucessor in the 8900M series would fit quite nicely I would suspect.

ABizzel14135d ago

I didn't disagree with you although I do.

It makes sense to use the 8000M series simply because they're likely to be more energy efficient than the 7000M series. But the 8000M series isn't likely to be that much of an improvement over the 7000M series besides power consumption.

Mobile GPU's would be ideal for the next consoles simply because of size and mobility. The 7970M is more than enough to handle what next gen consoles need if they want to reach 1080p @ 60fps in 3D.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4135d ago

The AMD HD8000M is just a refresh.

Also console are like laptops then? Any gpu with the "M" behind it is nothing to right home about.

wampdog294135d ago

When Sony and MS speak in Tflops, they always use the ENTIRE system, not only the GPU. So, even if you had an inside source that told you Sony wanted 3Tflops out of their next console, it wouldn't simply mean that the GPU was that powerful.

ProjectVulcan4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

You suspect a lot :-/

Mobile processors use less power than desktop parts just because they run at a lower voltage and lower clocks typically. They also end up with a bunch of areas disabled for yield and power reasons. They often have more aggressive power management.

If you want a lower TDP part for a console you can take any desktop GPU and very easily reduce its power consumption. RSX in PS3 is nothing but a shrunken desktop (NV47) G70 core with a crippled memory bus and ROPS count. By the time PS3 arrived, even the G71 7900GTX was old hat and the 8800 series were in town.

I don't really see the connection between the 8000M announcement and the next gen consoles. The announcement is due for the new mobile chips, and we are about 4 months away from a new set of desktop GPU models.

If the consoles are already well into development, they'll probably be using similar designs to stuff that already exists.

DA_SHREDDER4134d ago

You tech geeks care so much about graphics in the next gen consoles why even waste your time on them and just game on your gaming pc's you have now? You want better graphics? I just want bigger and more fun games. I don't care if games don't look close to real life or not, they are just video games, you guy have a hobby, then stop speculating and just play them. BTW, even if the next gen is underwhelming to most of you, you're still gonna buy them, so why all the moaning and groaning? If the graphics don't suit you, then just keep playing on your pc's. Sheesh.

ABizzel14134d ago

@DaShreeder

I don't think any "Tech Geek" is concerned about console graphics. Most of us are here because we enjoy gaming, and we're keeping things in a reasonable perspective for people who don't know what to expect from the next gen consoles.

There are all kinds of crazy rumors flying around, and coming from a tech background / know how, we're just trying to keep everything within reason.

sikbeta4134d ago

Please NO! Mobile crap GPUs will not be enough for a real next-gen leap...

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Persistantthug4134d ago

Use and bookmark this....they generally track pretty well.

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Somebody4134d ago

@DA_SHREDDER

Everyone speculates about everything This is just what people who have great interest ins similar stuff do. They talk about their interest with other people. Sharing. Interacting.

Even if some of the people here don't have consoles but they do have bits of information that others might not have.

8000M - Who are you going to ask? A hardcore console player who never played on the PC or the tech geek whose hands are smeared with thermal paste?

I'm not a console player but I am interested in the use of a Mobile GPU for a next gen console. Who knows if it's true then MS might inadvertently up open a new opportunity for regular laptops to join the gaming sphere (besides of the expensive gaming laptops). I'm interested with a console development because I'm eager to see how how the PC industry will react and evolve to stay competitive. In a way what happens to the consoles, affects the PC as well.

ABizzel14134d ago

@skibeta

You don't know what you're talking about. A 7970M sits between an HD 7850 and HD 7870.

To put it simply, it's more than powerful enough to achieve Sony's goal of 1080p @ 60fps in 3D with DX11 on either High or Ultra PC settings depending on the game.

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Zhipp4134d ago

The 8000 series hasn't even launched yet, has it? What are the chances a console that's believed to be releasing next year would use such modern hardware?

Muffins12234134d ago

well,if it came with the console,it would cost more than 700...

hellvaguy4134d ago

When the 360 was released it had a tri-core processor. All pcs then were dual-core. They are able to be ahead of the technology curve at release by way of being subsidized (selling console at a loss first few years).

Unlike nintendo where they need to have a day 1 profit on thier consoles.

Nicolee4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

this is first time that nintendo selling wiiu at loss man.

Gamer19824134d ago

8000 series has launched already.

CrimsonSquall4134d ago

@hellvaguy, don't be mistaken, MS still followed the sell for profit approach on the launch of the 360

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Bigpappy4134d ago

Which ever GPU M$ uses for the next Xbox, with be custom made and exclusive. M$ has learn from the first Xbox, that they have to own all the components in order to control the price and profit.

Cueil4134d ago

The Xbox 360 GPU is based on the same tech as the X1300 (a step down if I'm not mistaken). Microsoft owns the rights to the specific model... it's obviously not a desktop version, but it was based off of a desktop version that got released around the same time as the 360. Oct of 2005 if I'm not mistaken...

Crazyglues4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

either way this is bad news for Nvidia if it's true because it would seem they wont' be in either console...

that wouldn't be a good move for Nvidia since the lost of console sales would mean a huge lost of money for the company in the future..

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iggsta3o54134d ago

@DA_SHREDDER Its not all about graphics "we tech geeks" have had to put up with your shit console ports for years, at this point we could care less about graphics. What we want to make sure is that consoles have the power to guarantee a push in current gaming innovation ie. better AI, larger world, greater population density, and complex Physics, all these things take power. So shut your mouth sit back, and only open your mouth when your given permission to speak. Were tired of your kind holding back the evolution of gaming.

MasterCornholio4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

Exactly my thoughts. While I personally believe that the most important aspect of a game is gameplay, powerful hardware allows developers to enhance gameplay by creating games with great Ai, physics, huge open worlds etc. Seriously could we play games like Read Dead Redemption, Dishonored, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Call of Duty, Batman Arkham City, God of War 3 etc on an NES? We couldn't because the Super Nintendo would be too weak to handle these sorts of fantastic games. A very good example of this is the amount of multi platform games that skipped the Wii due to how weak the hardware is.

In conclusion, having fantastic gameplay is vital to a good game however graphics can dramatically enhance said gameplay in many different ways.

Anyone who fails to see how powerful hardware can enhance gameplay isn't a gamer in my opinion instead to me they are the ludites who are holding this industry back and thus don't deserve to play fantastic games.

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DarthJay4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

@wetnoodle More people need to be like you and start calling it the Xbox 3... or anything but the Xbox 720. The name Xbox 720 makes me cringe. The absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard and it makes no sense whatsoever. So thank you for not being that guy.

FanboyPunisher4133d ago

LMAO moblie GPU in a console?

TRASH!

Steam HTCP will be the end of shoddy consoles I'm telling you.

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Npugz74135d ago

I hope they use them in the Next Gen Consoles.

wishingW3L4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Yeah. MS will put a $600 GPU on their next console. And what about everything else? RAM, CPU, motherboard, case, power-supply....

Man these writers are so clueless. lol

Smurf14135d ago

Mobile GPU. Read the M part.

Hingle_Mcringleberry4135d ago

Do you believe when they order 1 million GPU's they get charged the same price you do when you buy a single one? Man, these readers are so clueless. Lol.

IRetrouk4135d ago

Dont forget they will order them in tens of millions and will most likely get a massive discount

mwjw6964135d ago

Discount yes. But most likely only a 30% discount tops. AMD still has to make a nice profit, or why even sell them at all.

Sp1d3ynut4135d ago

mwjw696, you obviously have no clue how big business works. You think Wal-mart only gets a "30% discount" from vendors, on the items you buy? They pay mere pennies on the dollar for many items, based on sheer volume. Without Wal-mart, Target, Amazon, etc. , most of the items we purchase would be ridiculously expensive, because the mfr had no guaranteed way of knowing how many units they would sell to recoup mfg costs, tooling, etc. The guaranteed purchase contracts give them a pricepoint to work off of, and reason to go ahead with mass production...which reduces cost AND retail pricing.

BitbyDeath4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

It's far greater than 30%.
Remember Sony put a $1000+ blu-ray player into the PS3 which cost $600 and that's obviously excluding the cost of the GPU, CPU, RAM etc

Blu-ray players are far cheaper now so that cost of putting it into the next machine will be severely reduced.

Sony/MS can easily put in all the latest parts and still market it for around $400.

rainslacker4135d ago

Don't forget that those $600 video cards didn't pay $600 for the graphics chip alone either. It also includes R&D for designing the card, packaging, marketing, Memory and IC costs, company overhead, along with all the other stuff that goes into making the card itself. I don't know what the breakdown is, but it's likely less than $200 per GPU chip. However no you aren't likely to see such an expensive part in the system unless they received a massive discount. It is possible given the amount ordered that AMD would give one since it means they would make a profit quicker. They still aren't likely to sell it for less than what it costs them to make, however.

nukeitall4134d ago

Well, from the first Xbox 360, MS made sure to own the design for the chip, which means they are allowed to manufacture them at any plant of their choosing.

Also, a huge cost up front (or loss) isn't unknown, but it sure ain't $600. The chip itself doesn't cost $600 not even close.

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aquamala4135d ago

it's a mobile GPU, which is far less powerful than Desktop GPUs because it needs to use less power and generate less heat to be usable on laptops.

tee_bag2424135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Well a 7970m's desktop equivalent is the somewhere between the 7850 and the pricier 7870.
That's not too shabby at all!

konnerbllb4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

The xbox360 gpu consumer equivalent cost around 600 at launch. Look it up

Of course MS never pays retail.

Cueil4134d ago

You're not to far off... but the Xbox 360 uses some slightly lower variant that the X1300 uses... if I'm not mistaken... it's really hard to remember all the info from 7 years ago... has it really been 7 years?

Qrphe4134d ago

Please

The base GPU for the Xenos was worth around $500 in 2004/5 while the Pentium III GPU in the original Xbox was worth around $600 in 2000 (I'm not even adjusting for inflation).

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jmac534135d ago

I am sure they will use something that generates less heat after the red ring debacle.

greenpowerz4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

They already have. STFU sheesh

BTW please don't reply with a collection of barely sound unfounded info from wikki quoting blog quality data methods and polling from sources that are or were trying to blow up the problem for the most hits(IRetrouk).

When PS2 had it's issue no one expressed worry about later PS2's and PS3. LOL

silkrevolver4134d ago

He's simply stating for future use.

We all know the 360's current chipset is sound and not Red-Ring inducing.

Simmer down.

koston36474134d ago

@greenpowerz if that comment wasn't overly and unnecessarily defensive idk what is...he doesn't have to "STFU"

jmac534134d ago

Well my "data" was that I had 5 red ringed consoles before I got a slim, which has been working great. I was merely stating that Microsoft is definetly going to put more heat-resistant parts in the next machine. Please untwist your panties.

Qrphe4134d ago

But the PS2 DIDN'T have this exact type of issue.

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andibandit4134d ago

@jmac53

thats the dumbest thing i've heard in 2012.
How about it's cheaper for the consumer and better for the environment and gives a greener image of the 720?.

im sure your reason is somewhere at number 500 on the priority list, along with "PS4 will have more memory so they can have run cross Game Chat"

JsonHenry4135d ago

Console gamers will more than likely be happy with one of these parts in their machine. It is a respectable part in terms of power. (for a console)

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XDefiant misses launch window, Ubi says a new release date will be announced after stress test

XDefiant was originally supposed to be out in summer 2023, but following a seemingly-successful beta test in April of that year, it was bumped to October 2023, and then delayed again to an unspecified future date. In its February 2024 financial report, Ubisoft slated XDefiant for launch in the fourth quarter of its 2023-24 fiscal year, which ended March 31.

A week before that date arrived, rumors surfaced that the game would be delayed yet again, and a few days later Ubisoft made it official.

"The game has always been community-first, with player feedback as a top priority," the development team said in the update. "While we hoped to go live by the end of March, there are still some improvements that we need to test before that."

Ubisoft said it's "finishing preparations" for a server stress test that will run for 12 hours on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X|S. "After this short test, we expected to be able to lock a launch date and start sharing more about exciting content XDefiant has to offer in the future!"

just_looken14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The previous news was from the team/rumors this is ubisoft themselves now saying the game is delayed again no new date set but they will have a stress test on a date that has not been set.

So the game is delayed to _____ TBD
Network stress test at ____ TBD

Ubisoft we make games whenever for whoever we just do not care

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X-2313d ago

I'm just going to be honest here and say what people seem to not want to, XDefiant success is going to be short-lived and it's because it's a game that's going to be under Ubisoft's umbrella. The development team can be absolute rockstars, but with Ubisoft steering the ship it's not going to go anywhere.

Profchaos13d ago

It could be a truely amazing game (it won't be) but with Ubisoft it will be monitized within a inch of its life.

smolinsk13d ago

The game is dead move on. It's the same with the Finals. These short period hype games doesn't last.

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New Xbox Devkit Certified In Korea, Could Be Next-Gen Console: Rumor

A new rumor suggests the next Xbox console is currently being tested by developers in South Korea.

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Obscure_Observer28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If true, hopefully a fully fledged next gen console and not some unnecessary mid gen refresh system.

It could be that rumored Xbox portable, who knows

porkChop28d ago

Next gen would make sense. They said they'd talk about new hardware at the end of this year, and Xbox usually starts talking about next gen systems 2 years before they release. Late 2026 would make sense for next gen. Though it also seems a bit early for next gen dev kits to be going out.

Lightning7728d ago

Next gen wouldn't make any sense right now. They still have 1st party to release in the next few years. If they announce their next console at the end of the year that would do them harm more harm for their console. The console barely sells as is anyway. People would just wait off until the NEXT console. That's right, they'll have you playing the waiting game again.

fr0sty28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If it does have anything to do with NextGen, Sony could have forced their hand by making the ps5 pro so powerful, with it said to be at over 33 teraflops and up to 4x the ray tracing performance, along with AI-powered upscaling that works on all games without patches required, according to Moore's Law is Dead, who is a very reliable source (and he also leaked photos of the internal documents confirming this).

What doesn't make sense is South Korea, why only there?

S2Killinit28d ago

MS is talking next gen because they already released 2 different SKUs, they cannot release a 3rd SKU because the cost of optimizing every game for 3 different consoles would be prohibitively high. MS essentially will abandon current gen xbox owners because otherwise they dont have any way to respond to PS5 PRO.

MS plans really backfired on them this gen.

StormSnooper27d ago

Next gen this early? People just bought their consoles. What about people with the current gen consoles? Will MS support the series S? Or just abandon them?

porkChop27d ago

@StormSnooper

What do you mean "this early"? They're just talking about the hardware at the end of the year, not releasing it. It wouldn't come out until holiday 2026. Personally I'd prefer waiting until holiday 2027 as we've barely had any games that really take advantage of the current consoles. But 6 years is pretty standard for a generation.

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Profchaos28d ago

That's the million dollar question Microsoft seem to indicate they want to start the next generation off early while PS is seemingly going for a refresh and next gen system in 2028.

However if they start the generation off say next year while only having the xsx on the market for 5 years consumers will start to question the lack of dedication to the systems.

A 5 year console cycle hasn't been relevant since the PS1 era and we've barely seen any convincing software that really shows the need for the current generation as is.

I feel like they need to wait until 2028 at least abs take PS on head on again

andy8528d ago

What would a fully fledged next gen console be though. The power creep is only high enough in 2024 to make a 'pro' type increase unless they make it super expensive. And given not as many are interested in the full powered Series X as it is. Who's buying it?

porkChop27d ago

It wouldn't be releasing in 2024. This is just a dev kit, they're always different from the final hardware.

andy8527d ago

Yeah but the thing would be being designed now is my point

porkChop27d ago

Designed now, yes, but the final hardware isn't available now. They'd have a general idea of what they're targeting but they'd still be working with AMD to build custom chips using upcoming architecture, not currently available chips. This is how every generation works.

S2Killinit28d ago

MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing.

Obscure_Observer27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

"MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing."

The only one "abandoning" the generation is Sony which barely scratched the surface with the PS5. So far there´s not a single first party game that pushed the hardware closer to its limits with true next gen games.

All its have to show from first party so far, is remakes, remasters, re-releases and cross-generation games.

The worst part of it all is that apparently, even the PS5 Pro will be released without a single first party game to show why that thing is needed in the first place.

That´s why I´m happy Xbox ditched the idea of another mid gen refresh Xbox, and will continue to focus on both SX and SS for the foreseeable future.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Hah that is a hilarious response.

Look at MS leaving the generation halfway in the middle. At least in prior generations they would just give up, now they are abandoning their consumers too! like “sorry you bought what we sold you, but we gotta move on now, byyyeee”

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smashman9827d ago

While I can understand the annoyance with a mid gen refresh considering the severe lack of first party support on this console gen I'd argue it's very necessary considering most games still don't hit native 4k 60 on console.

Obscure_Observer27d ago

The PS5 Pro won´t achieve native 4k 60fps for most games either!

That´s why it´s pointless.

attilayavuzer27d ago

Same CPU in Pro, so the expectation is that it'll just be a res boost unfortunately.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

According to Obscure, a mid-upgrade is “unnecessary” but a whole new generation is just dandy. My question is, why is that? I mean at least with a mid-gen upgrade gamers aren’t being left behind. If its too early for a mid-gen, then why is it not too early for a new gen? lol sorry I have to laugh.

Markusb3327d ago

another console for no one to buy, the series is tracking lower than the xbox one, buy your games and support them

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@Obscure
Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?

porkChop27d ago

A mid gen console releasing this year using the same CPU, vs a next gen console with all new hardware launching more than two years from now. Mid gen is pointless because without a significant CPU upgrade games will still struggle with performance. A CPU overclock isn't remotely enough.

The biggest obstacle regarding performance this gen is the CPU, this is what causes so many games to have hitching, stuttering, sudden fps drops, 30fps, etc. A faster GPU cannot alleviate these issues, games won't just magically be 4K60fps with raytracing. That's not how it works.

Each frame has to be processed by the CPU before being handed off to the GPU. So a game can ultimately only perform as fast as the CPU can feed the GPU. This is why consoles focusing so heavily on GPU power is a problem, after the first couple years when you start really pushing the GPU the CPU becomes a bottleneck. We need more balanced consoles next gen.

FGHFGHFGH27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@porkchop
fps, raytracing, etc is all gpu stuff. So when they do gpu tests, they use the exact system but use different gpus, the results are huge if you look at the top vs bottom. CPU will give you a higher ceiling but all graphics stuff is gpu work. FPS is gpu.(you plug gfx card into monitor)
"All games and cards are tested with the drivers listed above—no performance results were recycled between test systems. Only this exact system with exactly the same configuration is used for all results in this review."
Thats from rtx470 super ex review, rx5700xt does 44% compared to rtx470super ex 100% at 2560x1440 resolution. For games gpu is the best upgrade.
https://www.techpowerup.com...

Obscure_Observer27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@S2Killinit

"Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?"

Have you paid attention to what I´d actually said?

I said that I rather MS to stick with the SX and SS for the foreseeable future!

And what you mean by "leaving gamers behind"?

It´s been 4 years and so far the PS5 don´t have a single true next gen first party game which pushes the console to its limits and, yet, Sony already have a pointless mid gen refresh console ready to launch which according to DF themselves it´s nothing but a disappointment as far CPU performance is concerned.

So why in the hell would I want MS to follow the same route?!

I rather have a full next gen Xbox console released by 2026-2027 rather than a worthless Xbox Series XX to be released this year.

StormSnooper27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

A new generation this early?? How is that a good thing??.. at least give us an upgrade. Some people barely bought their current gen consoles….

romulus2327d ago

Series x only came out 3 years and four months ago, talking about a "fully fledged next gen console" is just as unnecessary right now. Better hope not, an xbox portable would fail miserably.

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S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Yeah its wayyy too early for a next gen. People were even saying its too early for a mid-gen upgrade, let alone a new generation. And what happens to all the current xbox gamers? Leave them behind?

crazyCoconuts27d ago

And would they sell enough to justify the cost

Concertoine27d ago

At one time MS said that the one x/ps4 pro model would be the standard going forward. If theyre testing something new, its safe to say its a mid-gen upgrade. They’ll probably have another “Series-letter” name too. Callin it

Lightning7728d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Could be the refresh console perhaps? I doubt it'll be the new console. Might be the portable rumored device.

Regardless the fact we're talking about new hardware already is absolutely pathetic. Barely any current gen stuff out and the stuff that is out or coming is at 30 fps or doesn't, doesn't look current gen and what have you.

All we're doing is chasing power and not creating the games to harness said power.

Worse generation so far easily.

DarXyde28d ago

I have a hypothesis about the rush to move to next gen:

They want to really bake in AI integration in some way. How exactly? No idea, but perhaps new hardware would expedite a lot of development and reduce needed labour. Something they can't do with current hardware, perhaps.

I don't really know, but I reckon we'll get a good sense of it once we learn about the actual features of a new Xbox/Playstation.

blackblades28d ago

Above you said it makes no sense but these days a lot of things make no sense to some people. Ps portal, mid gen refresh doesnt make any sense either to some. Another thing is the switch came out earlier because the wiiu flopped. Sense xbox aint doing so well dont it make sense to start fresh on the next system and get the jump like the 360. Overall we don't know nothing.

DarXyde28d ago

The reason it would be unusual is because releasing in, say, the next two years would really restrict the technology it could implement. For example, they'd maybe get Zen 4 with FSR3 instead of waiting a bit. Moreover, if they intend to live up to the claims of it having the most significant leap, they can certainly do that, but the price is likely to be harder to stomach.

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend getting the jump on the competition too early. Xbox 360 was a phenomenal console in its early years, but it was also God awful because it was absolute garbage quality.

Releasing too early relative to competition is a dangerous bet, especially for a company like Microsoft given their history.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

It WOULD help xbox’s image not to release next to PlayStation day and date. That way numbers can be played with. (i.e. “we are best selling console”)

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The only thing that makes me think this crazy news might be true is that MS already released two SKUs. If rumors are true that we will be getting a second SKU PlayStation (PS5PRO), then i dont think MS can release a third SKU as costs would be prohibitive for developing games for 3 separate SKUs that are so far apart in performance.

Solution: next gen xbox to leave some consoles out in those instances where developer can’t justify the cost.

This is bad news for xbox gamers indeed.

dumahim27d ago

"Could be the refresh console perhaps?"

The Series X one, yeah. That was my thought, but why would it need a dev kit? They're changing something. Maybe it's just some minor bump like the One S last gen.

niiopi27d ago

Lightning77 and Obscure_Observer are the same people LOL.

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Extermin8or3_28d ago

It was reliably leaked just a month ago that MS hadn't signed contracts for next gen till literally weeks ago- the same leakers that correctly leaked that hi fi rush and pentiment and sea of thieves were going to ps5. So this is very very very unlikely- if not impossible. Also it's way too early....

jwillj2k428d ago

Tell us oh great timeline masta… what speed should a shady trillion dollar company move at to compete with their “non rival” rival?

Hofstaderman28d ago

New wi-fi standard certification?

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Switch 2 Specs – What to Expect from Nintendo’s Next-Gen Console

GB: "The Switch is inarguably in its final stages of its lifecycle. As such, we try to speculate what its successor would look like from a specs perspective."

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Jin_Sakai48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

It’s just a guessing game until Nintendo officially reveals the console. Better to keep expectations low.

--Onilink--48d ago

More than anything, unless Nvidia is really doing some crazy magic, I would say keep expectations in check regarding what can be achieved with DLSS.

Its still amazing that it will have it, specially coming off so many Switch games with reaaally low resolutions and no AA, it can definitely provide an advantage.

But DLSS still has a render budget cost to implement, its not free fps, and like all super samplers, its worst quality is when starting from really low base resolutions.

Same with DLSS 3, even if it were technically possible from a hardware standpoint, its not really meant to be used with base 30fps

FinalFantasyFanatic47d ago

This, I got so sick and tired of the Nintendo Pro spec/release date rumours, now I'll probably get it all over again with the Switch successor (except the Switch 2 actually exists and will come out).

contra15748d ago

Let’s all say a prayer for backwards compatibility

Popsicle48d ago

Better be a huge prayer. This is Nintendo we are discussing.

SonOfOsiris46d ago

Lol yeah, DS played gameboy games, 3DS played DS/Lite/i games, Wii played GameCube games, WiiU played Wii games and accessories, yeah a huge prayer is needed hahaha

Firebird36048d ago

No bc is a no buy for me. I'm done supporting the practice of our game libraries not moving forward with us.
Pc has done this for years and years. Consoles can to, there no excuse.

darthv7248d ago

My only expectation would be it can play existing switch carts and digital games. Like 3DS did with DS

CrimsonWing6948d ago

I think with the way things are shifting to more a PC mentality, having access to your digital library is not only necessary, it’s mandatory.

Unless Nintendo is stuck in the past, which we’ve seen they have been, I can’t imagine them closing off the Switch eshop like it’s a WiiU eshop. I’d hope they’d be like Sony and Xbox moving forward and their digital marketplace.

jznrpg48d ago

Digital library I don’t care I want my physical games to work on the new Switch

FinalFantasyFanatic47d ago

Nintendo is always 2 steps forward, one step back, I really hope they don't mess BC up, they have taken steps that indicate that we'll be able to keep our Switch libraries, some of those games could really benefit from more processing power.

GhostScholar48d ago

I’d give anything for trophy/achievement systems

notachance48d ago

I haven't touched my switch for years despite there are some games on it I want to play because there's no achievement system.

GhostScholar48d ago

Glad I’m not the only one, and I feel like there could be some really cool achievement tiles and game related achievements to the first party Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, etc

I know they won’t have them because Nintendo is so out of touch, but if they had achievements switch would have been my console of choice I think.

cthulhucultist48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

We have to be realistic given the requirements Nintendo usually considers when deploying a new console the last few years.

It must be power efficient and small in form factor in addition to being hybrid (therefore lowered specs in comparison with other consoles). This means that it will not become as hot when playing as say the Steam Deck.

It must be relatively cheap (not in the 500$ price range but lower)

It must be backwards compatible with Switch

Therefore I am expecting base PS4 power level with newer hardware and upscaling tricks. Anything more powerful will eat the battery rather quickly especially if the rumours about the 8 inch screen are true.

But consider having a Zelda with Ghosts of Tsushima level of graphics! That would be simply stunning

darthv7248d ago

Switch 2 should be at least double what the Switch 1 is, which itself is below 1tf. so seeing a Switch 2 hit around the 1.6tf would put it in Steam Deck range, maybe a little better than that thanks to FSR and DLSS support.

GhostScholar48d ago

There is no way the graphics would be up to par with ghost in my opinion. All Nintendo cares about are the first party games. That’s what all their creativity goes into (that’s not a bad thing because their first party games are great) but they’ll never implement graphical power or even decent online services. They just don’t see it as important.

ChasterMies47d ago

The latest iPhone already has more graphical power than a PS4. I think Nintendo is going to have to spec Switch 2 a little higher if they want to convince people to upgrade.

cthulhucultist46d ago

@DeusFever
Iphone 15 pro run appears to use a dynamic resolution in Death Stranding and it seems to average around 400p in typical play (with frame rate issues on top of it) according to Digital Foundry whereas PS4 run at 1080p.

https://www.eurogamer.net/d...

Resident Evil 4 remake has 300p upscaled to 720p in comparison to 900p resolution on SP4

So not exactly on the same level

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