PS4 Blowout: GPGPU, DirectX 11; Sony London to “Set the Bar for the Industry”, More

With the PS4 probably coming out next year, and certainly no later than 2014, we’ve been digging around looking for the inside scoop on what exactly you should expect. All of the following is based on publicly available information, rather than shady secret anonymous sources where you have to trust us because we’re games journalists (ha!).
-PSLS

[ftwrthtx]

Great assembly of information. The PS4 could very well be the greatest console ever (at least up til now)

[doctorstrange]

PS9 is my dream

[TrendyGamers]

Great read, must have taken a long time to make this article!

[NewMonday]

Sony London? the new 25% tax break will be another boost

[CraigandDayDay]

I don't know if this stuff is legit or not for sure, but it sound VERY realistic and I think it's mostly true. Check leaked document from a supposedly "reliable" source.

http://dualpixels.com/2012/...

The PS4 is apparently supposed to be better than the Wii U but a bit weaker than the NextBox, according to this rumor page. Plus both the PS4 and NextBox are gonna have a form of VR. Also, the PS4 won't be called Orbis but instead it supposedly will be called "PlayStation Omni."

Interesting stuff, people.

It's the biggest list of leaked info from a reliable source that I have found.

A buddy sent me this link. And I about flipped when I read through it.

Is there a reason to all the disagrees? Just wondering. Just so you guys know, this is NOT my website. I'm just trying to let y'all in on this info. It's some seriously legit-sounding info. You want to read this, trust me.

@dubt72

Yeah, it's kinda funny. It's not like I'M saying it. haha It's in the linked article. They shouldn't take it out on me with disagrees. It's not my fault what the rumor is. lol

[dubt72]

NEVER say the next playstation will be weaker than the next Xbox! People here won't let you live...it down. Even when it's probably true, lol.

[Gazondaily]

Hey mine too!

All this sounds great- can't wait for E3. Here's hoping this year's E3 isn't as dull as the last one.

And Sony, this time don't be cheap by showing us CGI! We want to be blown away for the right reasons!

[CraigandDayDay]

@Septic

I think they've learned their lesson with that, but to be fair Killzone 3 looks pretty dang close to that Killzone target video they released back in the day. So, they weren't completely fooling us. Now, as far as that Motorstorm target video, they missed the mark quite a bit on that one. haha Remember all the mud and dust and stuff? I'm sure the PS4 will make KZ3 and The Last of Us look last-gen and I can't wait for it.

Motorstorm Targe Render v Actual Gameplay Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[MikeMyers]

Don't know about anyone else buy I cannot wait for the PS4. I think Sony learned a lot this generation and won't be resting on their laurels and come in with an arrogant attitude this time. The launch of games should be much stronger than what we saw on the PS3 as well.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

@CraigandDayDay

If you're talking about 2005 E3 trailer, I think the actual gameplay does look better, at least particle effects and lighting:

Pre-rendered Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[starchild]

I think Sony is set up pretty well for next generation. They have learned a lot this generation and they have the best lineup of developer talent, bar none.

I just hope they don't make their console too under-powered, under the misguided assumption that it will make them more successful like the Wii. The kinds of 1st party developers under their umbrella--like Naughty Dog, Sony Sanat Monica, and Guerrilla--really need to have a capable system to work with.

[blackbeld]

PlayStation always set The bar on consoles since the first Playstation back in the 90".

I will sure buy it when it's out.

[scofios]

@septic

Didn't see you and all the other hypocriets (game media) cry when MS showed project nathal for the first time , when the real thing got released it didn't trun to be like those fake videos from E3 .
Did you get blown away with kinect ???

[MAJ0R]

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Sony use OpenGL? Would Sony switch to DirectX, a Microsoft specific API?

[TheRealSpy]

Killzone 2 and 3 don't even come close to that original 2005 video. The fact that so many people (in a certain group within the community) really makes me realize that most people don't have a clue what they are talking about and I have no reason to take anything said in these comment sections seriously.

These are the same people that said that Final Fantasy 10 was the best looking game of the last generation.

Your eyes see what they want to see, i guess.

[BattleAxe]

""GPGPU – What it is:

General-purpose computing on graphics processing units (GPGPU)""

""Most importantly, the Wii U also uses one (although with arguably weak chips).""

So in other words, Nintendo is "Weak Chips".

[Statix]

What on earth gives you the idea that the PS4 will be less powerful than the Xbox 720? I would think the reverse situation would be more likely, with Microsoft desperate to avoid another billion-dollar loss due to defective and/or overheating hardware, having learned their lesson via the RROD fiasco. You can only stuff a finite amount of graphical and processing power into a compact box without it overheating, and I'm sure Microsoft is fully aware of this.

Not to mention the rumors that the next Microsoft console will sport a seriously weak HD 6670 as its GPU (although I've also heard rumors of Nvidia cards in recent Xbox devkits, so take all rumors with a grain of salt). And, not to mention the fact that Microsoft will probably place a ton of emphasis on pushing Kinect functionality and integration, even more so than they have this generation, as a selling point for the new console, rather than pure hardware horsepower. Microsoft has been showing more and more in recent years that they're prioritizing catering to the casual market rather than the hardcore gamer market.

[ABizzel1]

My friends, this is gaming journalism. Research, un-bias information, and a well thought out presentation.

[InactiveUser]

"Also, the PS4 won't be called Orbis but instead it supposedly will be called "PlayStation Omni.""

It'll be called the PlayStation 4 or I'll be duct-taping something over it that says PS4.

It will be a dumb move on Sony's part if they go with anything besides PS4. "Vita" clearly didn't do any better than "PSP2" would have.

Talked about this plenty of times already, but PS4 has mass name recognition already and extends it to PS5 and beyond. A name change means a lot of wasted time & money building name recognition with the masses aka a lot of lost sales.

PlayStation 1-3 is the highest selling home consoles franchise by far. ~60 million more than all of Nintendo's home consoles (CTVG, NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, WiiU) combined. ~100 million more than all of Microsoft, Sega, Atari, NEC, Mattel, Coleco, Magnavox/Phillips, and Panasonic consoles combined.

After what will be three 100mil+ sellers, you go with "4", not Orbis or Omni, lose your name recognition and possibly lose half or similarly large chunk of sales.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

@TheRealSpy

I didn't watch the trailer at E3, but at least I provided links to Youtube to support my opinion. What have you got? Did you see the trailer as it was shown in 2005 at E3? What are your claims that "Killzone 2 and 3 don't even come close to that original 2005 video" based on?

[Gazondaily]

@scofios

Oh you didn't see me when Natal was hyped up eh? Why is that because I was still here??

Clearly you've taken what I said to heart but Sony did pretty much lie to everyone. When prompted about the Killzone tech demo they never answered the question directly and even the likes of John Carmack had to get involved and speculate.

I'm sorry but Sony has a habit of doing this; it did it with the PS2 and PS3. As a fan, you of all people should feel insulted, misleading you like that. But obviously no....you're too busy rushing to their defence as if you owe them your life.

The same criticism goes to MS and Natal. But please tell me, when was 'the real thing released'?? Think before your fanboy rage types nonsense for you.

@above. Come on......really?? Just look at the two trailers. One is blatantly CGI and just all round better. Its the kind of quality you expect from the next generation of consoles, not this one.

[sikbeta]

Sony London? as SCEE or London Studio (which is dead now)?

Rumors still strong on:

APU (A10 based)+ Discret GPU (7970)
2GB/4GB RAM

[SolidStoner]

I just want 500$ pure hardcore gaming machine with all new thech in it!

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

All new console will have gpgpu gpu's. The important thing is that it doesn't need to depend on gpgpu.

I rather ps4 have a good cpu so that the gpu can be used for graphics 1000% to it's limit. And the cpu as well.

Also I am wondering if there will be a standalone gpu with the apu or just the apu?

If so devs would have two graphics chips to play with(the apu gpu less powerful of course).

Also Global Illumination = illuminati take over.
http://www.gamerfocus.co/wp...

[DivineHand125]

The article already explained why the gpgpu is the best possible direction these consoles should take since no matter how fast the cpu and the gpu are there will still be a bottleneck with the time it takes the for data to travel between them.
To get around this problem, they chose out of the two which one processes data the best then modify that one to be able to handle the job of the other one while maintaining the same techniques that made it superior.

[DeadlyFire]

The convenience of HSA means they can work independently at the same time as well.

It will likely be tied to APU + GPGPU or 2 APUs + GPGPU.

GPGPU or workstation video cards are very expensive pieces of equipment with lots of heat typically I suspect one at 1 Tflop or so will be what Sony goes with alongside APU(up to 1 Tflop) or Dual APUs. Equating to about 2-3 Tflops.

Maybe more if this power talk is true. There was a rumor awhile back of 1.840 Tflop GPU in PS4 kit. Possible that is GPGPU is based on or exactly the AMD FirePro V7900? The V7900 runs with up to 1.86 Tflops or so it has been marked to do so. Its not impossible to imagine 1.84 Tflops from it.

Lets say 1.84 + 1 Tflop(Single APU) - 2.84 Tflops
or +2 Tflop(Dual APUs) - 3.84 Tflops?

I expect XB3 to come down a similar path close to same end-game. I have a suspicion of NVIDIA ARM APU for XB3 + whatever else is in the system. There is a reason Microsoft has partnered with NVIDIA locking out others from buying them. Maybe its all Windows ARM related, but maybe its not.

[N4g_null]

Sony will be using open cl like every one else.

[mysterym]

except microsoft who will be using direct X 11.1

[BitbyDeath]

I'm not used to ranking up stories but this one certainly deserves it.

Great detective work.

[Oh_Yeah]

Ive been saying it wont be called ps4 because of the superstition in Japan. As for it being weaker than durango? Thats whatever, you already know where the exclusives and free online will be.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

And you already know who will have the better third party games and better online overall.

[Kingthrash360]

Oh no... Another one of those " brand y is better than brand x" arguments brewing.
Dam son just buy both systems, stfu and play. Kids these days ... Smh.

On to the topic- this is a great article, a lot of work put into it... Hope to see more of these type of deep relevant articles. Ps4's looking good hope Xbox is just as impressive.

[Temporary]

Kids cant look past the brand these days. I personally prefer the PS3, but I got an Xbox too and it didnt hurt my pocket or my pride.

[Oh_Yeah]

@midnighter20c_stf yeah pc, i have a 360 im not hating on microsft, its good for bethesda games and other games which are better that dont have online, but it only had gears, halo, and forza as exclusives this gen not counting the kinect..would have been better off getting a gaming pc..because 1 good exclusive (halo) isnt really worth the purchase. Just stating facts, no fanboyism here. If ms actually has exclusives for durango then ill get it.

[andibandit]

@Oh_Yeah

"you already know where the exclusives and free online will be"

I already know your credit card info.

[xtremeimport]

The mysterious price will forever scare me until they announce.

[Triggytrolls]

I can see it being a good £500! That's my guess anyway.

[mysterym]

Get two jobs!

[showtimefolks]

can't wait to find out more not only the ps4 specs but next xbox too.

e3 2013 will be a lot of fun if these systems are indeed coming in 2013. but doesn't sony also have a history of talking about their gaming products during GDC?

[INehalemEXI]

I like this gpgpu stuff. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

MS owns DirectX so don't expect the PS4 to support that. It's like the XBOX 720 getting Blu-Ray. I mean It'd be cool but don't think PS4 will have DirectX 11.

[DivineHand125]

The article in no shape or form said the ps4 will get DirectX. According to the article, the ps4 instead will use an api developed by sony london that will have comparable features with DirectX11.
Also no one is stopping Microsoft from putting Blu-Ray in the Xbox other than their pride.

[Bigpappy]

@DivineHand125: Not exactly. This is what they said: "That’s why it’s important to hear that Sony are working on an equivalent API if they plan on competing graphically with whatever Microsoft brings out."
They never said for sure that the 'equivalent API' with be in the PS4, only that they are working on one.
It may be better to just use DX11 to make it easier on 3rd developers. Ports could be a big issue again, if they do not get it right and this could be the new 'Cell' for Sony. Sony could use DX11 and M$ the new Blu-ray.

[specialguest]

-deleted by mobs

[nintendoland]

in terms of graphics you have already experienced with pc. Sony you really need to man up

[Buff1044]

Would love to know where Sony's pulling the money for that.

[calibann]

You're all arguing over which console will be the best. I just sit here on my pc, laughing.

[monkey nuts]

I just sit here on my pc, laughing and masterbating simultaneously.
*Fixed*

[calibann]

Haha, it's true.

[Sev]

Holy journalism, Batman.

[decimalator]

sounds awesome. though GPGPU is an extension of the Cell concept. The cell just had dedicated cores. Using a GPGPU is going to be no more easy than using the CBE. it just might be more familiar to programmers since it is more generic

[DarkHeroZX]

SPEs aren't cores. They are more like independent and more powerful threads. The Cell is only one core.

[mysterym]

err a cell is a DPU, this is a GPU that has CPU instructions - they are not a like.

Lots of things have dedicated cores to allow for parellism.

[MariaHelFutura]

My body is ready.

[BanBrother]

I hope you know what you are getting yourself into. It only does everything + more.

[Nelson M]

I love my PS3
And i'm gonna love my PS4
Long Live Sony !!!!

[nerdkiller]

lame

[DERKADER]

I love my PS3
I love my 360
I love my PC
And I'm going to wait before they release some information on next gen consoles before I make up my mind. And not be blinded by brand loyalty.

[bumnut]

^^^^What he said

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Lol how does this sound

I love my Xbox
And I'm gonna love my 720
Xbox, Jump in!!

[hduce]

Hmmmmmm. A gpgpu in a console. Where have I heard that before? It must be some revolutionary new concept.... In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Next Xbox used one as well. As usual, I buy all gaming systems that come out. I can't wait to sit Xbox Next and the PS4 next to my Wii U.

[wishingW3L]

GPGPU is not a chip. It is a style of programming where you use a GPU do to CPU workload.... -__-

You could do GPGPU implementation on the GPU's of the PS3 and Xbox but they aren't powerful enough to handle shadings and CPU workload at the same time. PS3 only has 24 cores and the Xbox like 48 but you need like 200 to be able to achieve this.

[BlackKnight]

Good point. To put things in perspective. The video card used in the unreal engine 4 demo (GTX 680) had 1536 cores.

It really goes to show consoles really need a leap to catch up with current tech.

[hduce]

Who said that a gpgpu was a chip?

[hduce]

You mean you fanboys wouldn't want to own all 3 systems? Did I offend some of the Sony fanbase because I don't hate I play other systems as well? I have always been a multiple console owner and I will continue to do so. Why miss out on great games do to blind loyalty?

[kingPoS]

Sometimes people dislike others because of what they want or cannot have. A sad fact of life.

I simply don't like those who would deny another's open opinion.

[wishingW3L]

people are disagreeing with you because you think that GPGPU is a chip. And is not about having one but about if the GPU is capable of it. If the rumored more powerful Xbox has a decent CPU then GPGPU will just be a waste of time... Games like Just Cause 2 have already proven that there is no performance gain by using GPGPU.

GPGPU is just a way to make up for a weak CPU.

look at some vids for prove---

Here is a benchmark of GPGPU on an integrated card:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Water simulation and other stuff on the GPU (Just Cause 2):

http://youtu.be/xD12qEsAeq8...

http://youtu.be/D_zOlxxNSy4...

As you can see there is no difference. Having a decent CPU and GPU > GPGPU on a GPU.

[tachy0n]

*sees title*

*facepalm*

Direct X is a microsoft API used only by Microsoft products.

Sony uses OpenGL.....

[doctorstrange]

It's about an equivalent API

[ionicmoose]

*sees user who comments without reading article*

*facepalm*

[knifefight]

My exact reaction, hahah XD

[Jinkies]

Yeah Mr Playstation...YEAH Science....or programming.....whatever I just wanted to put a Breaking Bad quote in here somewhere

[WalterWJR]

this is N4G, do you DISAGREE.

[hduce]

Walter, they probably will.

[Griffin4871]

Aaaand they did.

So many trolls, so many fanboys.

[Silly gameAr]

Ohhhh noooo. People disagreed. *mad face*

[MariaHelFutura]

This isn't N4G. This is SPARTA!!!!

[Trago1337]

Show me some GAMES, at this point specs don't matter to me. You can boast about hardware all you want, but if ya got no games to show, then what's the point?

[quantae06]

This is just a rumor. When Sony actually announces the PS4 then you'll hear all about the games.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Why don't you let them at least announce the console before they get into the games...

Sheesh.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Show me some game?? Really?? From Sony, games are understood. These specs mean mean great games

[imdaboss1]

its just a rumor so far but come on now this is Sony they are going to release a very powerful system..Imagine the next uncharted game killzone god of war its going to be crazy

[Ares90]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm making games for the PS5 and Xbox 1080. But they need to announce them first.

[InTheZoneAC]

it's funny the people hating on playstation and are all for xbox probably don't even enjoy any of the few exclusives they have.

It's like they brag about paying to play multiplatform games online and that's all they know...

[sourav93]

A great read. I missed articles like this.

[BanBrother]

Have you been hiding in a nuclear shelter? I'm seeing like over 9000 of these articles every day.

Although, this one seems the closest to legit. Let us hope it is true, as this would prove the industry analysts wrong about them cheaping out next gen.

[sourav93]

Among the 9000000+ other bogus articles...these gems can be easily missed.

[koston3647]

those 9000 you speak of follow the...
*Insert awesome claim about next gen console*

followed by

*this is from a super duper reliable secret source of ours*

Playstation Lifestyle actually dig some serious digging to gather info.
those who read the article entirely would know.

[Jason143]

direct x 11 is old for us pc gamers :) will be curious to see how many 30fps games happen because of this.

[Norrison]

Really old, we're getting dx11.1 soon.

[AKS]

Old and it's the most advanced API new PC games with the highest end graphics use? Yeah, that makes sense...

Why do I have to put up with this "old" DX11 tech in my games?

http://cloud.steampowered.c...

http://cloud.steampowered.c...

[AKS]

.

[Norrison]

Bad examples, they look like you're running everything on low. Sure DX11 is good, it's a standard for high quality games but I'm pretty sure it will be ditched by DX11.1/DX12 this years.

[AKS]

If Ultra looks like Low to you, it might be in your best interest to seek immediate optometric care.

[Norrison]

@AKS
Weird, both look much better on my rig, what are your specs?

[AKS]

I have a 2600K OC to 4.4GHz and 2x SLI EVGA GTX 670 4GB.

[Reverent]

Uh, do you even know what you're talking about?

[Yodagamer]

Thank goodness the ps4 will be using a gpgpu, it should mean that developers will develop for the ps4 version as lead and be able to port it down to wii u easier, thus saving them money compared to making a xbox 720 version and porting it to the other two (pending on the gpu/cpu set up of xbox 720).

[ronin4life]

Or they follow ps2 era protocol; port up from the "weakest"(ps2)

In the next gen, that will most likely be wiiu by at least a small amount... plus, the wiiu will have been out longer, meaning devs would have more experience working on it and it will also be cheaper.

If it is anything like the ps2 era, wiiu will have the mostvsoftware support of the 3 and be the cheapest.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

I don't know about that, most people are probably going to buy most multiplats for the other consoles (PS4/Xbox720)instead of WiiU. I think people still use the WiiU mainly for their first party

[N4g_null]

They will port up. It is easier. Cheaper, yet I'm sure we will just see more current gen like games with a better framerate.

[Hanuman]

It's just a bunch of KNOWN information that has been thrown together to create yet another PS4 article. No news here...

[dirthurts]

You guys REALLY think it's going to be using DirectX11 (A Microsoft windows technology?)
I'm calling BS on this article.

[BitbyDeath]

The title is misleading.
The article states -

'it’s almost guaranteed the 720 will use DX11. That’s why it’s important to hear that Sony are working on an equivalent API'

[dirthurts]

I really don't think an equivalent API is out there, or will be any time soon.
MS really has the edge in the catagory, although others have been catching up.
I really hate the market fragmentation.

[Yodagamer]

Open gl is as close to an equivalent we have, it tends to have a bit slower framerates according to benchmarks, but ps3 had open gl and i'm sure it will continue with the ps4

[DigitalRaptor]

This is a well put together article. From info gathered, Orbis sounds promising although I'll wait to hear something concrete before getting excited.

[Daves]

PS4 = Tweaked A10 APU +(+what? That is the question)

[wishingW3L]

I hope they pair that crappy APU with an actual discrete card because that thing is just as powerful as a PS3. So what would be the point of a PS4 then? Add more Ram for more multimedia features?

I'm a bit scared that the PS4 would really end up like that because GPGPU is an obvious cheap trick to get away by putting a weakass CPU to save some money on hardware. But at the end it will come back to haunt them because Devs will not be able to push graphics because the GPU will be too busy doing work that should be done by the CPU.

[Zhipp]

The A10-5800 actually has a pretty decent gpu...I'm thinking about getting one for my first desktop.

[isarai]

Wait WHAT?a logical, smart, and unbiased factual article made by a decent journalist on N4G? when did this start happening?

[dirthurts]

Exactly what in the article is fact? It's all speculation.

[doctorstrange]

Well the speculation is on facts. It's 'here's a job listing that you can see for yourself', rather than 'I bet they'll use this cause I think it makes sense'

[isarai]

the job listings/descriptions are real, and that is all they are going by, which makes the article based of facts. shitloads better than the last 8,276 dumb ass baseless rumors of console specs, which half the time didn't even have a source while the other half are said to come from "our source"

this is based solely off of factual existing job listings from throughout SCE and its studios

[ShaunCameron]

GPGPU? The Wii U has that.

[TheMailman]

@ shiningpen

You really don't have a clue about what you are saying, do you? Regarding R&D by Sony please take a look in the link below:

http://www.google.co.uk/url...

[ShaunCameron]

And neither do you, because there's nothing in the article that says anything about Sony implementing GPGPU into their next console.

[xtreampro]

The Wii U dose have a GPGPU and Sony aren't the creators of GPGPU tech.

Every tom, dick and harry's doing GPGPU stuff nowadays.

Regarding the article I've known about this stuff for a couple of months now so it really isn't new information.

[Cryptcuzz]

Why did you get disagrees for showing an article that proves Sony would be working on the successor to the PS3?

Either way, I am excited at what they would have in plan for the successor to the PS3.

I hope they follow the footsteps of the Vita and include developers into the mix and getting their opinions on it.

For the next round of consoles, I hope the loading times would be eliminated or be drastically cut down.

I also hope jaggies (aliasing) would be a thing of the past as well. I hate those!

Lastly, I am looking forward to how different the controller(s) would be, and how we would be playing the new games. I certainly hope they do not eliminate the classic controller we all love (DualShock 3 / 360 controller etc.) and introduce a new form of playing that would be just as intuitive. (if that is even possible)

[LOL_WUT]

Nice, bring out next-gen. ;)

[Obnoxious_Informer]

Finally some solid PS4 rumors.

[horndog]

Can't wait till the next box . This gen ill make sure not to buy the ps4 at launch like I did this gen and that's if I even want a ps4 to begin with. Doesn't sound special

[Thepcz]

but you all bash it and say its shit.

but now the ps4 is rumoured to have one, its the second coming of jesus

[Buff1044]

PS3 all over again. System is already over hyped. Then it'll come out, and guess what? Next Xbox ports. So why don't we all calm down until we see some games....actual finished games, and not Killzone demos. ;)

[solidt12]

Not if the PS4 comes out first. Xbox will be getting Playstation ports.

[hivycox]

yeah like this=

Nintendo does gpgpu = oh nintendo oh nintendo..what did you just done...the wii u is obsolete on arrival -.-

Sony does gpgpu = now THAT's the future of gaming! the PS4 will be leader of nex gen...

yeah ....right -.-

[TABSF]

Basically what PC been like for quiet a few years

[mrbojingles]

If the PS4 had the same internals of the Wii U people would praise it to no end. I'm sure many of the features in that article will be in the PS4, but it doesn't have to be a beast to achieve most of that.

I would be fine with, and expect QuadCore 1.8Ghz to 2.2Ghz, 2GB-4GB RAM.

[chukamachine]

The wii u's internals are not bad. Even though i'm no fan of the wii u.

But when the PS4/720 do come out, i'd expect them with a lot more power. If not. Then what is the point.

DX11 has barely been touched. Because a lot of peeps still have dx9/dx10 cards. lowest denominator.

[solidt12]

People love Playstation because of there games so if they came out with Wii U internals that would not be great but at the end of the day they still have the games and I am sure they would get more power out of the system than Nintendo. Either way there is no way the PS4 will be equal to the Wii U because the PS3 is already about equal to the Wii U minus the ram.

[mrbojingles]

The type of CPU the Wii U uses is on par, if not better than the Xenon and probably better than the Cell. You shouldn't rate things by their clock speeds. Even the Wii U's GPU is clocked higher and because it's newer tech, likely much better.

Also you're forgetting that the Wii U has triple the eDRAM of 360/PS3 at 32MB.

I'm really expecting a good Quad or Six-Core CPU in the PS4 around 1.5Ghz-2Ghz. It would be silly to have them anywhere near PS3/360's CPU clock speeds. Totally unnecessary since the tech today can do so much with lower speeds.

[AlphaJunk]

Both PS4 and Next Xbox will beasts. However the Wii U also has a GPGPU, though it isn't a DirectX 11 part which could be the difference along with the CPU's

[hivycox]

the wii u will have aquivalent graphical abilities thanks to its gpgpu...Nintendo did the right job putting this into their new console..

[AlphaJunk]

If the the Xbox has the rumored 6-core Power7 cpu at 3.7 ghz - then that's a beast compared to Wii U's 3 core PPC750 @ 1.3ghz - Lame that I'd get disagrees, but whatever.

[Swiggins]

SWEET JESUS! This is a well written article.

I'm so tired of speculation, this guy put the time in and worked his ass off for some info that could be backed up.

I tip my hat to you good sir, if half of gaming journalists had your kind of work ethic, we'd be better off.

[Kingthrash360]

I'm just excited the next gen is upon us... Wondering what will launch with these new systems.... I just hope they won't ask for 700$ this time around.
@ thepcz shaddup nobody even mentioned the wiiU, you did you ass.... The wiiU is nice ok dam. Stay on topic

[sniperxx]

just a rumor - doubt it will be anything special, if they want to come in at 400 bucks, there is no way it will be that much ahead of what the Wii U is offering. Unless I am wrong and they come in at 1000 dollars.

[Deku-Johnny]

So it has everything a Wii U has but just a bit better?

[wishingW3L]

how do you know it's a bit better when we still don't even know how many cores have the GPU on the Wii U? And this article doesn't mention any architectures (x86 is the rumored but from another article), no frequency, no core count, no anything... You can't really tell anything from this so how do you know is a bit better? What makes you think that?

[ChickeyCantor]

And yet. And yet we have people claiming the PS4 is going to be the best.

It's double standards all the way.
I don't care, but I just thought I point it out.

[glennco]

GPGPU and tessalation are a given not news. If AMD or NVIDIA are making the chip, it is a given.

nothing in this article is news to anyone who has a clue

[dani25pr]

the wii u has a GPGPU AMD and supports DirectX 11

[Fakdafakinfakerz]

and?

[MasterCornholio]

But it doesn´t have Playstation Plus or Sony franchises which is why some people might get a PS4 (or a 720) over a Wii U. If the rumors are true than even people who are not interested in the Wii U controller and Nintendo franchises might get a PS4 due to superior multiplatform games.

But like i said many times before we all know that the PS4 and the 720 will be here soon but what we dont know is how powerful or innovative (hopefully they don't ditch the standard controller) those systems will be.

[KiLLUMiNATi_89]

Someone needs to educate me when it comes to stuff like( processors) .. I Grasp a bit but not much!!!

[coolmaster]

How about analyse all the new tech and processors tonight?

[Neurotoxin]

Hmmmmmm If all this tech ends up stuffed inside the PS4 I guess I'd better start saving now as the £425 for PS3 is gonna seem like mere pocket change in comparison.

[Bladesfist]

I doubt it, none of the information we have so far suggests cutting edge or expensive.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Man what a misleading title, a blowout consists of factual info. This is all speculation still until Sony acknowledges it.

[Allowen]

If the PS4 will be much more powerfull then its competitors and if the WiiU continues to recive all multi plataform games then this might be a problem to Sony.

On this gen with Ps3 and Xbox360 they had multi plat games looked like the same or the games were a bit better( in most cases) on the 360.
And this was not because the PS3 could not do better.

Now the Story might repeat it self but the console that will be holding up the progress now on 3rd party games will be the wiiU.
Bad Nintendo ,Bad.

I will wish that both new xbox and PS4 will be much more powerfull then the wiiU and so the devs will consider it another Wii, an outcast, from the major top 3rd party games.

Now lets wait and see what s going to happen.

[ATi_Elite]

Looks like Sony is going for ONE powerful System on Chip GPGPU processor instead of the Cell....sounds GOOD but I hope it has enough CPu power to run high end A.I. trees!

Also Sony will be using OpenGL 4.? instead of DirecxtX

(Microsoft owns DirectX and openGL is NOT owned by MS but does the same stuff as DirectX but just slightly differently)

[gamern4g]

I truly hope thats true, it shall be amazing gaming console!

[SAE]

All im expecting is 3x more powerful , which means to me , improvements in :

) loadings
) easy and fast development which means more power for AAA games
) graphics
) frame rate and resolution
) A.I and less limit

it's not that hard sony :D , old pc's can do these stuff :) , im not expecting games like the new engines that the companies showed us , just better results in current games , the last of us could be twice better , it could be even an open world with that graphics and gameplay , it just needs a console that doesn't limit it , if developers seen the tools of next generation they will take their words back '' they say consoles doesnt limit their work but when you look at pc versions it looks and plays 10x better then console versions , it's just sales thing ...

[coconut2013]

the ps4 will be the ultimate gaming system of next year if it comes out in time otherwise it will be 2014. i have the ultra ps3 slim, 2 bad the ps4 wouldn't come out when the gta5 comes out, that would be badass, i mean they should have been making gta5 for ps4 and x720 or w/e it's going to be called, why make another gta and have it on the old systems when the new systems are coming out like what, fricken 7-8 months after the game?. i could wait for the game to be soo bad ass your mouth would drool.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

If PS4 LAUNCHES with a new Uncharted game... Im going to be there at launch for sure!

[josephayal]

Powerful Than any Gaming PC ever made

[spinbot_lv1]

this article is generic with speculations . Multiple sources affirm that the third devkit (near to the ps4 final devkit) is based on : non specified A10 (possibly 5800k......k means that the apu is unlocked for overclocking)+ customized gpu (early version of) hd8770 and the system is based on GCN architecture.

[pennywhyz]

@ josephayal. LOL then u woke up and realized that their still 2 gen behind pc hardware.when consoles get get dx11 pc will have dx14. dont even compare gpu or cpu because there is none. Now hurry up get to class 7th grade bus leaves in 15 min.

[zero_cool]

Sony always build hybrid architectures for their gaming machines & have been ever since the original playstation & i don't see that changing anytime soon.

P.S.That's a quality i like about sony that they always go above & beyond others expectations & surprise even the toughest of skeptics out there.

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[krazykombatant]

I was just about to say ohhh wow those are some great.... oh wait a rumor/opinion piece.

[Mkai28]

Seems to be the reason why Nintendo is having to use this way of architexture. Having a weak CPU but having a strong GPU. Does this mean Sony will have a weak CPU as well, I mean what is the point of using GPGPU if you have a powerful CPU? Because it results in better all a round performance, stronger the CPU/GPGPU is the better games will be. Sadly, the WiiU will have to rely heavily on this just to help out the CPU.

[DivineAssault]

i dont give a damn whats in it.. as long as i get great games & it can do multiplats just as good as the comp, im fine.. & by comp i mean competition, not computer... It would be nice tho

[Cam977]

It sounds like an absolute beast, a GPGPU sounds insane!

[dani25pr]

I nose but ps4 to have good games graphically it has to come with more gb of ram as the wiiu that comes with 2gb of ram I have three platforms wii or, ps3, xbox 360 and black ups 2 one sees much better than the current platforms. Your ps3 and xbox360 in his first days of his exit were the games of entry graphically impressing??

[OniXRuleZ]

@ blackbeld..... sorry but the frist XBOX was 3 times more powerfull... 3 times mo http://www.youtube.com/watc... powerfull than PS 2....

[StitchJones]

Sony is not the name it used to be. It is going to be a uphill struggle for buyers after the stick of the PS3 that still continues to haunt them. Honestly, Sony needs to bow out of the market.

[ziggurcat]

"With the PS4 probably coming out next year..."

it won't.

[sjaakiejj]

"That’s why it’s important to hear that Sony are working on an equivalent API if they plan on competing graphically with whatever Microsoft brings out."

That API is called OpenGL <_<. Hardware Tessellation has been in the OpenGL API since OpenGL4.0, which released in March 2010, a whole 5 months after DirectX 11. It's also better than DirectX:
http://www.joystiq.com/2012...

[hivycox]

Now the title says everything...

I think its gonna be like this:

NextBox > PS4 >= Wii U

The next gen of gaming doesn't bother with tech...

obviously people doesn't get it by now...but thank god console devs get it!

[gamernova]

*smirks and the Ps and xbox fan boys fighting it out*

-Via PC gaming machine :P

[vlonjati77]

Hello

Off topic.Can anyone plz tell me If i can buy a European Psn Card and buy stuff of ps store through my EU account?I live in Canada and have a PS3 that I bought in Canada.I called Sony Us/Can and they told me they are not sure.If anyone of you has had the same situation and have resolved it with success let me know thanks.

[taquito]

lol////

1080p @ 30 fps with dx11 sets ZERO bars

thats ps4 trying to catch up to a 3 year old mid-spec pc and failing because the pc would do 30-60 frames

next gen consoles will blow no ones minds except those that have only ever sen last gen ps3/360 games

to a pc gamer it will be a downgrade in every possible way!

[solidt12]

The PS4 outperforms the Atari 2600 and the Sega Master System hands down!

[JonnyBigBoss]

What a fabulous article.

[gamern4g]

Waiting for it.