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First Wii U brick reported; Massive firmware update size revealed

GV: The Wii U will brick if you shut it down during an ongoing firmware update.

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decrypt4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

Its not a problem i am sure you can hit the Del key when the system boots up, load the backup bios ... oh wait nvm.

AsimLeonheart4167d ago

Nintendo needs to learn about the online component of consoles. You just cannot release a 5GB update out of nowhere without any kind of backup to restore the console in case of any mishap. Not everybody can download 5Gb within an hour. Many people will need a whole day and anything can happen between that time to brick the console.

dee-ecks4167d ago

There is no del key stupid.

ShinMaster4167d ago

It's more expensive than the PS3 and 360 and at least 6 years late and still behind.

I will wait on a better model.

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Lazyeye794167d ago

Ya its big and will this even fit on the 8gb model, I mean isn't over 4 gigs already used by the system or is this supposed to be part of that already used 4 gigs?

MikeMyers4167d ago

Of course it will fit on all models.

These are the joys of a launch for a new system. I imagine the phone lines for customer service will be long and frustrating.

Hopefully there is a backup plan if your power gets disconnected or you accidentally unplug your device while it's trying to update the system.

I said before that it will be awhile before everything on the Wii U is running properly. That's one of the reasons why I'm waiting. Nintendo's inexperience when it comes to online gameplay and apps is already being reviewed. It's slow and not everything is functional just yet.

ajax174167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

Fu*k you Geoff! Being able to download 5 gigs in an hour! God, I hate time warner's slow internet!

NoFanboyRequired4167d ago

Time Warner isn't slow. its just the cheap internet package you have. They have over 50MB/s so i can assure you, its just your package. Of course i don't have them. i have Charter with a 30MB connection. Its beautiful ;)

NegativeCreepWA4167d ago

My power went out in the middle of the update and bricked it. So I'm already on my second wii u. lol.

andibandit4167d ago

What is the friend code to download this update?

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boybato4167d ago

First Wii U brick reported: Do not shutdown during firmware update - this is common knowledge!!!!

Snookies124167d ago

Yeah that's what I was about to say lol! Why the hell would anyone shut it down during an update?

Smurf14167d ago

There's a backup state usually. PS3 updates again when you reset it during a firmware update.

G20WLY4167d ago

If only life was that simple; where I live powercuts are quite frequent and now I'm worried it might happen during firmware update and leave me with an expensive door stop :(

Thing is, it being a new system, there are bound to be a fair few updates coming in for the rest of the year.

esemce4167d ago

No one probably but what if there is a power cut etc? I hope there is a way to initiate a system restore.

sincitysir14166d ago

lets hope nintendo doesnt have control over our power then ;]

mechlord4166d ago

You see, most of the time this is said as a general rule and common sense, like "dont use cellphones in a thunderstorm"...

but what also is common sense is that any hw maker worth their salt would know that million things can happen and a fail-safe is needed;

for instance, its unbelievable the wii u will brick while DOWNLOADING the update... i mean, what is it doing? downloading and writing the pieces as it gets? the usual (and tried-and-true) way is to download the file,verify it and only then start doing the update. No matter how you slice it, this is a flawed design. Lets not touch the point of an UPDATE with 5bg...not even microsoft puts out updates this big to windows

abzdine4166d ago (Edited 4166d ago )

cause it takes 4 hours maybe and nobody wants to stare at the TV in that case or just that they didnt know how big the update is and they regret.

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camel_toad4167d ago

Just cross your fingers you aren't hit with a random power outage.

G20WLY4167d ago

Sorry Camel_toad, I just wrote the same thing then saw your comment. A very real concern though, until we know of any in-buit fail safe/back up.

pr0digyZA4167d ago

I think it becomes more of a problem if your power goes off, especially as it is such a big update (some people take more than 10 hours to do that amount).

Slapshot824167d ago

Yes, it is, but it shouldn't brick if something goes wrong during an update that can take over an hour to download/install.

TurkishKIng4167d ago

Depends on how big the freakin´ FW is correct? 5GB is a Joke. Who wants to sit and download a firmware for hours instead of playing games?

GraveLord4167d ago

Things happen. You can lose power or something, there should be back-up plans in case someone does turn it off. Not everyone has the time to download a 5gig update. Not everyone wants to send Nintendo their console for repairs.

Nintendo really messed up.

Rayansaki4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

So what? If the console becomes unusable if you shut it down during the update it's fucking retardedly engineered. It's never good to shut down during updates, but it's not 100% avoidable, anything from a power outage, to internet outage or download stalling at a certain % can force you to do so. Specially if the update is freakin 5GB :X

Playstation also tells you not to shutdown during firmware update, but if you do, it retries after you restart, and if all else fails you can simply reset it to factory settings.

This is really sad by nintendo, hope they fix it fast or it's gonna be a horde of angry customers all over the world.

Dark_king4166d ago

Actually the ps3 originally had this issue also.Was fixed some time ago though.Flashing the bios is always a risk.

silvacrest4167d ago

i doubt it is really common knowledge, think about who were the vast majority who bought the original wii

fanboydestroyer4166d ago

You know, most people don't power down during an update because they are curious, many, like me, had a system that locked up during the update. My system became unresponsive when the connection was lost, I let it sit for over two hours and it remained frozen. At this point, there is no option but power down. A lot of you need to stop being condescending pricks, there are people that spent hundreds on hard earned dollars to sit and stare at a brick. Nintendo failed to build in a fail-safe, that is inexcusable.

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Godchild10204167d ago

Why would you shut down the system when its updating? Something wrong is bound to happen. Report a brick when something happen when you don't cause it yourself.

bubblebeam4167d ago

Or if the power goes out? Or if someone else turns it off mistakenly? A rat nibbles on the power cord? A herd of elephants comes into your house and trips on the power cord? Or if a T-rex................

You get my point. Fact is, Nintendo is at fault either way. Who else is there to blame? (Please don't blame me).

Kos-Mos4167d ago

Land of the free and sue everything even if it`s your own fault.

Baka-akaB4167d ago

90% of those listed are the owner's fault then .

And the way people usually complain about console prices , you'd think they'd learn by now to at least invest into UPS units and surge protectors .

How often do you experience over an hour long power outage ?

Shadowstar4167d ago

Baka-akaB : Are you really saying everyone should have consoles on a battery back-up system as standard practice? Seriously?

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1013d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 21h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier2d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 20h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 8h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 16h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel9d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger888d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing8d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS8d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder7d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21837d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.

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The Nintendo Partner Spotlight Sale Is The Perfect Excuse To Get These 6 Gems

Huzaifa from eXputer: "The Nintendo Partner Spotlight sale event has discounted a number of worthy titles on the Switch. Here are 6 of them you should check out."