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Face-Off: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

EuroGamer: "The gap between the two console versions closes a touch during gameplay and PS3 performance appears to show a marked improvement over the last Black Ops title."

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MikeMyers4176d ago (Edited 4176d ago )

The PS3 really shines in its exclusives. The problem is most games on any system are from 3rd party sources and multiplat titles. I don't know of too many systems that come out later and cost more to build (and also more to the consumer) that ended up having inferior versions, or at least this many. No matter how small and insignificant those differences may be.

Blame Sony's insistence on creating proprietary hardware that makes it more difficult for developers to grasp (rumor has it Sony is finally learning, or has had to learn, with the PS4 and will be much easier for developers). Or blame those developers for taking the easy way out. It doesn't matter who you blame, it is the PS3 owners like myself who got shafted into thinking the PS3 would be the best console for all games, not just 1st party. The people at Sony have learned a hard lesson this generation and that is they need to work more closely to outside parties as to what the hardware should be. Especially since Sony's consoles, much like Microsofts, rely heavily on 3rd party publishers.

StanLee4176d ago

You do know it's 2012 not 2007 right? The whole, "blame Sony" argument doesn't fly anymore. If developers are still unfamiliar with the PS3's architecture, they shouldn't have jobs!

MikeMyers4176d ago (Edited 4176d ago )

Irrelevant. The fact is the end product is not meeting the needs of PS3 owners or the potential the PS3 was marketed as way back in 2006. Even to this day. Not when it comes to 3rd party games. Call of Duty is the biggest franchise this generation, so who's fault is it that the PS3 version is not the premium edition on consoles, Microsofts?

What the PS3 needed was what the PS2 had, influence among 3rd party publishers. That way they could force those developers to work harder. That wasn't the case with the PS3 since the PS3 did not take charge this generation. Sony needs to listen to the market, they need to adapt to the needs of the actual programmers. They cannot go it alone like they have in the past and not take into consideration what the actual people making the games want. Not when competition is much more fierce.

So disagree all you want, the fact is Sony paid more attention to getting bluray into homes rather than working with the people who were going to create the games. How do I know this, the fact Vita and the upcoming PS4 will be much easier for them to work on compared to the PS2 and the PS3. Sony's focus will not be on creating another new format, but rather getting a product out there for a reasonable cost and making the creation process as easy as possible.

yewles14176d ago

@MikeMyers

StanLee is right. The Vita is right now proving that " the needs of the actual programmers" is a BS cop out for the 'sudden' lack of capability for developing on PlayStation hardware in general. Despite it's much easier architecture, the Vita still gets Black Ops: Declassified. Blaiming Sony for blah blah blah is irrelevant when less quality still comes from easier-to-work-on hardware.

MikeMyers4176d ago

@yewles1

Two totally different scenarios. Declassified by all accounts was a rushed product to be ready in time for the launch of Vita. Black Ops 2 was developed alongside the PC and Xbox 360 and they still struggle to show why the PS3 is newer and better technology. Is it due to laziness on their part? Possibly.

Blame Activision all you want, the problem is the end result and that is PS3 owners are not getting the best product possible. That is likely because the PS3 does not cater to developers like the PS2 would have where the bulk of sales are generated on that platform. So of course their attention would be greater on the PS2. Sony knows this which is why they are deciding to not make the same mistake with the PS4. They cannot afford to have another systems potential lost due to not having control over the developers. They can't keep creating proprietary hardware unknown to game programmers in hopes they will see the benefits.

All indications show the PS4 to be more like a PC and easier to develop for. Why do you think that is?

yewles14176d ago

No Mike, the PS2 didn't cater developers in anyway, not even in sales. You're missing a very important point in this which you REALLY should have considered... the PS2's difficulty.

The PS3 is extraordinarily easier to work on than an architecture that caused rivals like EA and Activision to come together to make custom API's... A!!! P!!! I'S!!! in order to get any source coding done, or the likes of Naughty Dog to make a custom version of LISP as 'minor' examples.

Not to mention that all devs had literally nothing to work with at the beginning other than assembly level machine language, a proprietary Vector Unit language, a 1980's manual rasterizer and operating instructions in only one language (japanese).

The PS3's only problems were streaming co-dependent CPU cores, old fashioned RAM discrepancies and a downgraded GPU and VRAM from original spec.

There's no reason for more people to be having more problems on dramatically easier hardware, but this trend is continuing with the Vita no matter how you look at it, and will probably continue with the next PS platform.

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Kennytaur4176d ago

Most games look as good or better on PS3 these days, Treyarch is like Bethesda. Their games aren't bad, but their technical capabilities are.

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These Call of Duty games are officially dead as servers go offline

Following the Wii U and 3DS servers being taken offline, Call of Duty Black Ops 2 and Ghosts are officially dead.

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Call of Duty players are playing this game for the last time before it's taken offline

Call of Duty players are jumping into Black Ops 2 for the final time before its Wii U servers go offline for good.

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Xbox backwards compatibility sends old Call of Duty games back into the Top Five | UK Monthly Charts

GTA 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 leap up due to summer sales

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shadowT254d ago

Xbox $70 billion bet paid out

fr0sty254d ago

Guess that's what happens when there's no good new games to play...

4Sh0w254d ago (Edited 254d ago )

Well regardless of exclusives, or whatever else there is to play on Xbox or ps, CoD has has still been the top selling game on ps platform since forever also.....so no surprise that the most popular game franchise on any console could easily have a revival due to servers coming back online...this is just credit to xbox backwards compatibility & thats good thing for Xbox gamers.

wiz7191254d ago

@Frosty orrrr maybe it’s a breath of fresh air to be able to go back to the peak of the series .. and it’s beem great lol

mkis007254d ago

It's going to take 10 years for xbox to generate that much profit...

Rhythmattic253d ago

Why worry when they have OS, Server and Background Data in their hands...
Gaming is just the small piece, at the top left in a few K piece jigsaw.

EasilyTheBest253d ago

If you buy a house with cash for 1 million dollars you still own the house. Microsoft don't need to make the money back.

Rhythmattic251d ago

But its not money back, its about how it goes missing.

jznrpg254d ago

Shooters is what Xbox people play most of the time and that’s about it by the numbers and sales of games.

shinoff2183254d ago

Atkeast older gamers nostalgia is good. Jeez.

Jin_Sakai254d ago

Mostly because the new CoD games are garbage. The old games were much better.

Rutaprkl253d ago

Agree 100%. Cod 4, WaW, Black ops 1 & 2, those were the days.

Rhythmattic253d ago

For MP, Unreal tournament , QIII Arena (loved the UT mod) FTW!

RaidenBlack253d ago

Unreal Tournament and Quake III were simply amazing ... CoD's and CoD-likes' rise killed the arena shooter popularity ...
Unreal Tournament 2004 is my favorite in the series.
Didn't enjoy Unreal Tournament III, Quake Champions that much.
Too bad Epic cancelled Unreal Tournament 2014 becoz of Fortnite

Rhythmattic253d ago (Edited 253d ago )

I got hooked on the QIII Urban Terror mod (and my work colleagues I introduced them to)... LAN Sessions at the closing of the doors at work, into the night , sinking beers and eating pizza..... Good times.

thesoftware730254d ago

Wow, good games never get old I guess.

CoD will always be a beast of a franchise, and how awesome is it that you can just boot it up or pop it into your Xbox and play, MS BC is really a neat feature.

CrimsonWing69254d ago

Shows you that backwards compatibility is a worthwhile feature.

1Victor253d ago

@crimson:” Shows you that backwards compatibility is a worthwhile feature.”
I agree it’s worthy at the start of the generation when there’s few new generation games but halfway through the generation it’s not a feature.
Now it’s good that this game is finding a renewed life for its fan but it shows a mayor flaw in new games release when a close decade old game is toppling the charts

CrimsonWing69253d ago

I don't know if I understand what you mean. It's a feature regardless of the time into the generation.

Let's take Armored Core 6 for example. Let's say I'm interested in checking out the previous Armored Core games, sure would be nice if I could play them on my current-gen console.

We're about 3 years into current-gen and old games are hitting in the top 5 for sales charts in the month.

I do get where you're coming from with older games possibly being better than the newer games, but the feature stays the feature. I can only speak for myself, but when there's a lull in game releases or nothing great is out, I like to go back to old titles. It's just nice to not have to have a bunch of consoles out to do so.

I think moving forward it'll be less and less of an issue as like with the PS5 you can access most all of the PS4 games, but I like going back to PS1 and PS2. Would be awesome to kind of make backwards compatibility a prioritized feature moving forward. Hell, Sony was the first to implement it.

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