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Nintendo representative says Wii U is '19 times as powerful' as the PS3

A Nintendo representative made a comment at the Eurogamer Expo that the Wii U is "19 times as powerful" as the PS3.

Suffice it to say that even with the Wii U being more powerful than current generation consoles, it certainly isn't looking 19 times as powerful at the moment.

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iamnsuperman4208d ago

I think the representative was exaggerating (which he shouldn't be doing when informing people while having a hands on experience) as 19x times more powerful than anything is ,well, stupidly more powerful

mrbojingles4208d ago (Edited 4208d ago )

Yea. He likely wasn't being serious. Or else this is going to be a lot of GameCubes/Duct Tape.

@ Mansane

I was being sarcastic dude. Just a joke on a tired old internet meme about Nintendo consoles being built out of multiple Cubes taped together.

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darthv724208d ago

what the 19x eludes to is that there will be more than 20 launch games.

I mean that really would make the wii-u 19x more powerful than the ps3.

metroid324207d ago

Do u realise how powerful a console needs to be to be able to make the games graphically abit above current HD consoles at Native 1080p/60fps at launch of games that have been optimized and tweaked for 7 years means its seriously powerful.

Remember the 360 couldnt even keep up with gamecube/xbox right out the box and look how far that came Hmmmmm not very clever you lot ive noticed.

MaxXAttaxX4207d ago

People would be calling them arrogant, among other things.

PR talk is PR talk.

jeseth4207d ago

Prove It.

With games. Not propaganda.

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dedicatedtogamers4208d ago (Edited 4208d ago )

Oh boy. Here comes the backlash.

Practically speaking, I doubt it is "19 times more powerful". Even a top-end PC isn't 19 times more powerful compared to a PS3. Twice as powerful? Absolutely. Three times or four times as powerful? Sure. But 19 times as powerful? No.

And I sincerely doubt the WiiU will have anywhere CLOSE to the power of a modern gaming PC.

I think the problem is fanboys just want to parade their console of choice while trying to shove it in the "competitor's" face, like the good ol' BluRay vs HD-DVD debate, or the "this game runs in native 720p on 360 but not on PS3" debate. And of course, in ImaginationVille, console gamers are still wishing for the day they can buy a console and it will be as powerful as a gaming PC (lol)

Outside_ofthe_Box4208d ago

***"console gamers are still wishing for the day they can buy a console and it will be as powerful as a gaming PC (lol)"***

No need to wish. When the PS3 and 360 came out in 05/06 you needed to shell $1000+ for a PC that *matched* those consoles same will happen when the PS4 and 720 release. When those consoles release, gamers would essentially be buying a high-end PC at a bargain price. I know this fact is a bit difficult for PC gamers to swallow (lol).

chanmasta4207d ago

@Outside: WHAT? LOL. That's definitely not true and is certainly not a fact, it's your opinion. And I can tell you from first hand experience of actually physically doing what you said couldn't be done at that time, that you definitely could. Don't spread lies and false facts.

stage884208d ago

I'll believe it when I see it. At the moment I believe it will only be marginally more powerful.

LocutusEstBorg4207d ago

It is technically correct. Even a lowly GTX 660 is probably 40x the power of the 7800GTX in the PS3. The difference between PC and consoles is that PCs don't use low quality rendering. It looks the same pixel for pixel regardless of what GPU you're running. Rendering without quality loss can take 20x the power and produce only superior sharpness and clarity but not more realism.

fatstarr4207d ago (Edited 4207d ago )

Exactly right, when it comes to PC's people dont know their specs.

3x SLI 680s is leagues of powerful over the single 7800gtx.

Add in some powerful 6 core or quad core and yea.

15 ps3s duct taped together in terms of power.

play around on some spec sites
http://www.videocardbenchma...

"power levels"
7800 GTX = 571

680 GTX = 4,038

N4G logic, 7800 GTX > 3x 680 gtx's

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Shok4208d ago (Edited 4208d ago )

The Wii U is more powerful than current-gen, no doubt.

But this is bullshit lol. The PS3 and 360 are around 20x more powerful than last gen. Next-gen definitely won't have the same leap that we had this gen, it'd be too damn expensive.

My perception is that the Wii U is 3-4x more powerful than current-gen, with the NextBox and PS4 coming in at around 6-8x more powerful.

mrbojingles4208d ago

I can see that happening, what you said about Wii U being 4x and others being 6-8x that is

ChickeyCantor4208d ago (Edited 4208d ago )

Not saying the statement is true. But with new technology regarding efficiency and new features. The processors can easily outweigh last gen by much.

victoryscreeeeeech4208d ago

I think the Rep is taking into account how efficient and energy conserving the Wii U is. I don't know if that's a factor tho

metroid324207d ago (Edited 4207d ago )

Your wrong m8 its about 10 times it needs to be to have 2 additional screens running the same game same graphics at 480p each end of look at trine dc that has 2 gamepad support and handles native HD/60fps and 2 480p/60fps images on gamepads makes it very powerful doing native at 60fps is already squashing the ps3 but to then handle 2 wii resolution images in realtime at 60fps with HD graphics also is super power trust me.

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PopRocks3594208d ago

Doubt it's THAT powerful. Hopefully nobody blows this out of proportion.

Stansolo4207d ago (Edited 4207d ago )

Its 98 times more powerful and the pad has 124 buttons and a HDMI lead 30 times thicker than the PS3/360 one that runs at 20 times the speed of light. Protective overall is needed to play the wiiU because of the raw power and there is a fire risk, it could burn up into a super nova. Play at your own risk. I can't wait play it, these specs sound amazing. To good to be true.
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AznGaara4207d ago

you forgot that the graphics are 40 times better than real life. So good it'll burn your eyes.

kesvalk4207d ago

the wii-u will have graphics so ultra realistic that real life will need better anti-aliasing to match it.

Optical_Matrix4208d ago (Edited 4208d ago )

These Nintendo reps have no relationship with Nintendo other than being on hand to help demo the system at events like this. These are the same reps that tried to tell me, while I was playing the Pikmin 3 demo at Eurogamer, that the game would release this holiday, despite it being confirmed numerous times that it's dropping in Q1 2013 from Nintendo themselves.

This claim is bull, to say the least. Not even the Nextbox and PS4 will be 19x the PS3. These meaningless multipliers need to stop. The proof is in the software after all. Hell even if Wii U was 19x more powerful, why is a simple game like New Super Mario Bros. U running in 720p?

Ridiculous. I'm hyped for the system, but I think people need to ground their expectations a little bit. This won't be the leap we've been waiting for. That won't come until the Nextbox and PS4. You know, and I know it.

Edit: @shock. I wouldn't even put it at 4x current gen. It's got a weaker CPU which was confirmed last month I believe. I'll try to find the source. The 1GB of dedicated RAM is what will really make up the difference, but I wouldn't expect anything that makes the likes of Halo 4 and God of War Ascension look like 1st gen PS2 games in comparison.

mrbojingles4208d ago

Just because it's CPU is clocked lower doesn't mean it's weaker. A Triple Core Broadway clocked at 1.6Ghz could out perform the 3.2Ghz Xenon in a lot of ways. It isn't all about clock speed, if that's what you're talking about.

If the PS4/720 have quad-core CPUs @ 1.5Ghz they won't necessarily be weaker than the Cell/Xenon, that is if you're referring to clock speeds.

metroid324207d ago

Its got a much more powerful cpu no one has said officially the wiiu cpu is weaker it new technology get a grip.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1012d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 21h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 20h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier2d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 20h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 6h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 14h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel9d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger888d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing8d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS7d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder7d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21837d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies12d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken11d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga11d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken11d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6411d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long11d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197211d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12511d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91311d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer11d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91311d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit11d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher12d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6911d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit11d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher11d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken11d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197211d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2311d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218311d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder11d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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