Painting on wall of Modern Warfare 2 toilet upsets Muslims

"Activision's developers have aggravated the Muslim community by hanging a painting above a toilet in Modern Warfare 2.

The painting has holy teachings written around its frame. "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty," the text is reported to have read.

Apparently the presence of holy teachings in a place of number-ones and twos does not sit well with Islam. So Activision has pulled the Favela map out of rotation and will return it when edits have been made."

[Mr-Dude]

Nothing new, they are always upset about something...

Now they are upset about a game, wich is like nearly 3 years old and a little picture WHO nobody looks at...

Talk about nitpicking...

[MEsh3L]

Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion, if you don't care about it then that's your problem !

I'm proud to be one of them :)

[Yi-Long]

... the vast majority just shrugs their shoulders.

[MacDonagh]

That's nice MEsh3L. You seem to be in favour of this editing out of a picture frame that nobody has spotted for 3 years because it offends your religion? If so, why is it okay to shoot people? Isn't it a bad idea to support a franchise that is borderline jingoistic?

[bubblebeam]

@MEsh3L

You can leave your beliefs to yourself. I'm not going to start bad mouthing youre religion, that is YOUR own personal choice, but this is too far.

The way I see it, is this game was made in a non-muslim country, so its YOUR PROBLEM.

I am not religious by the way. How would everyone like it if you got fined for using the Christians name in vain? Or for making a joke about Jewish people?

Again, not religious, not trying to single you out, but to me it seems Muslims are too sensitive. Very pushy. Imagine if Christians, Buddhists, Jewish people started riots and killed INNOCENT PEOPLE over small things. I know this is on a smaller scale, but this in violation of freedom of speech and expression.

Don't like it? Too bad.

[Hellsvacancy]

Muslims insulted.........by a picture frame

Wow, thats incredible, its ok to simulate killing, but no ok to put a picture in the bathroom

"Why so sensitive?"

[FunAndGun]

How does it hurt their religion?

If you are strong in your religion, it shouldn't matter what anyone around you thinks about it or says about it.

What a tragic life to always be on the edge of throwing a temper tantrum because someone offends something you believe in; how exhausting.

[bloodybutcher]

so it upsets your religion by having positive things written on the frame?ok,ok...
@ bubblebeam: sooo,do you think Christians never killed innocent people over sth small,eh?:)

[mewhy32]

Wow. I think that this "offended" muslim thing is getting waaaaaaaaaay out of hand. If you're offended by a game then......don't buy it..Wow there's a novel idea. Boycott it. Don't kill people and blow shit up!!! We don't live in the 3rd century anymore this kind of behavior is not acceptable the world over. If They want people to come to their religion then I can safely say that they're turning the entire non-muslim world population against them. Tolerance, peace,love, what happened to those teachings??????????????????

[nix]

man.. i hate these extremist... you'll find them in every religion. hindu, muslim, christian. haven't heard of buddhist extremists yet...

[NewMonday]

why would a developer go thru the pain of digitally draw religious text hide it in a frame and then put it in a toilet

who puts a framed painting in a toilet anyway

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it's not gaming but episodes of the Anime Harlock had to be redrawn because the bad guys had a symbol resembling the star of David

anyone gets upset if something they care about is offended, and others don't care because it doesn't matter to them, unless they value the idea of mutual respect

[Gazondaily]

@Ddude

Of course Muslims have a right to feel upset. Who you are to suggest that they shouldn't be? Sad to see your silly blanket statement getting 31 agrees.

" a little picture WHO nobody looks at..."

Obviously someone looked at the pic, hence the complaint. And its a complaint that has been brought to IW's attention.

Incidentally, the Witcher 2 also had an Islamic painting, in a brothel..... kind of makes you wonder. The developers did release an update as soon as this was brought to their attention.

Respect to IW for working on this.

Funnily enough, my mates and I were playing MW2 yesterday and were wondering why Favela wasn't coming up.

@nix

Who says they are extremists? Muslims complained because they have every right to do so. Also, you have never heard of extremist Buddhists? Maybe you should draw your attention to the spate of Muslim killings amounting to genocide in Burma that have been occurring as recently as two months ago.

This shouldn't have happened in the first place but at least IW are working on it.

[Razmossis]

"Peace out" ?

Ironic, lol

[MikeMyers]

The painting has holy teachings written around its frame. "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty,"

How is that offensive?

I'm sure if there was a stack of Playboy magazines by the toilet someone would complain about that too.

[omi25p]

A picture tells a thousand words.

[doogiebear]

@ Mesh3l:

The West should withdraw every facet of it's civilized world, away from the muslims. In fact, Democracy is considered evil according to Islam, because it is not compliant with Sharia Law (The law of the Koran which considers all other forms of government as "man-made", which is forbiden by muslims). We (Westerners) should no longer allow our citizens to create businesses there, block all of our websites from running in the mid east, ban the export of any and all of our products and art forms (books, films, games, etc), and no longer rely on your oil. Those strong sanctions alone will have the entire middle east in a frenzy. Want to live in the dark ages? By all means! The West cant offend your people if your people have no means of interraction with our country, art forms, or media (even online). Yes, make your own N4G websites too. Make your own videogames. Enjoy. Israel had recently discovered that it had enough Shale Oil in the West Bank to make even Saudie Arabia's supply look like a kiddie pool. So when the West decides to turn off the lights of the Middle Eastern Muslim community, THEN you will wish things were as the way they were before. Even now, there is mass rioting in Iran because of the sanctions we imposed there. In just the last 2 weeks, the price of food rose so astronomically that people cant afford milk and chicken in Iran. The Iranian banks are in a frenzy, and the Iranian currency inthat 2 weeks fell to a great low. But you muslims should celebrate!! This is what you wanted right? Now you can all live in a world of your own totalitarian rules, where no westerner can ever upset you again or your dead "prophet". Enjoy the sanctions.

[Hanilugtehul]

how can a picture in a game hurt your religion, thats just crazy talk imo. Peace:-)

Septic:you upset me, can you please erase your n4g profil?

[guitarded77]

Insulted Muslims insult my belief in free speech and artistic expression, yet I don't cry about it.

[gta2800]

"Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion"

Oh is that a fact? Then why don't they get angry with all all those Muslim extremists who strap bombs to them selves and kill innocent people in the name of Islam? I never see any any type of protests or outrage when that happens. But the second someone makes a joke about Mohammed or Allah they want someones blood. The extremists is who they should be angry with. It's those people who make Islam look bad.

[Gazondaily]

@donbear

What a load of complete nonsense you've typed out. I hope that all your agrees are from multiple accounts as opposed to the sentiment on here because if it is the latter, then it is a sad reflection on the community that comprises n4g.

Democracy is considered evil because of non-compliance with Islam? Where do you get this nonsense? Do you know that Islamic Law MANDATES Muslims to follow the rule of law in non-muslim countries (unless there is a gross breach which prevents you from practicing Islam).

You then cite so-called Israeli oil reserves as a sign of hope? What a laughable statement even if it is true. You think Israel, a state that constantly flouts UN law and breaches human rights heart will be a great partner? Complete nonsense.

You make uneducated assumptions about Muslims and then purport to make it seem as if Muslims are preventing freedom of speech? Hold on a minute; you used Israel in a positive light- what about the fact that merely expressing Holocaust denial is a criminal act in Israel? What about several European countries that prevent it on the grounds of anti-semitism? But oh no, if Muslims dare protest, freedom of speech trumps their hurt feelings right? Complete hypocrisy and double standards. (I don't deny the events of the Holocaust before another bigot on here tries to make that point).

What has landed the biggest trouble? The Banking System. For those people of understanding and knowledge, they will know where the true origins of the system lie and how stupid your statements are. Look for former President Andrew Jackson's famous statement on the matter to understand.

@gta

"Oh is that a fact? Then why don't they get angry with all all those Muslim extremists who strap bombs to them selves and kill innocent people in the name of Islam? "

Are you stupid? Who have died more as a result of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings? Muslims or Non-Muslims? Answer that question. These terrorists are even attacking Muslims praying in mosques.

There are 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. Where has there been a protest against terrorism in general? There hasn't because terrorism is so clearly abhorrent and wrong. The vast majority of Muslims are law abiding citizens. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigot and an un-educated fool. But have you even bothered to try and research Muslim sentiments or are you content with swallowing whatever nonsense Fox News feed you? There have been a MULTITUDE of lectures and debates held against terrorism and the like. What is the biggest Islamic channel called? Peace TV.

Its sad to see what kind of moronic sentiments are being posted on here and agreed with. Ironically, it goes to show these people's lack of tolerance and understanding.

[PurpHerbison]

This is why religion is counter productive.

[Awesome_Gamer]

I'm a practising muslim, and i don't care to be honest, it's just a video game..

[lastdual]

@Septic

I agree that the majority of Muslims are not extremists, but the moderates could definitely do a better job of putting the radical elements in their place.

Radical Christian groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church get routinely ridiculed and marginalized by mainstream Christians. If moderate Muslims want to be taken seriously, they need to do the same.

Moreover, Islamic nations need to embrace freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of the press. Any modern nation still having laws against blasphemy and apostacy is just plain absurd.

[TopDudeMan]

I don't get it, how is that offensive? Maybe the fictional man who fictionally owns that house likes to fictionally sit on the toilet and fictionally reflect on the teachings of his faith.

Is that not his right to hang up a religious painting in his own bathroom?

[Ares84HU]

Some people are so ignorant......

[DragonKnight]

Has any of you who are "pro-complaints" ever considered the possibility that there are people out there who purposely go out of their way to look for stuff to complain about so that they can feel powerful when it gets removed due to racial, sexual, or religious insensitivity? I would bet REAL money that the person who found this is one of those people. Who honestly can get upset over stuff like this and call themselves a human? Seriously. You have nothing better to complain about than blurred writing in a video game that's 3 years old? Writing that it took you a concerted effort to actually find? Really? *sigh*

[Thatlalala]

The fact remains you can buy a Jesus bobblehead, a bong in the shape of Buddha, and nobody that follows those religions freak out. Then you expect the world to stop and change because of your religious beliefs? Get over it.

[Christopher]

***Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion***

While I understand being upset at how others may show disrespect for what you hold dear, their doing as such does not hurt one's religion.

American flags are burned every day by people who protest against soldiers and they feel pain over it as it is a symbol for the country they fight to defend as best as they can, but the mass majority of them know that burning one flag doesn't change who they are, what they do, or why they do it (it actually empowers them).

Bibles and crosses are burned all the time, and is very often portrayed in movies, but that doesn't change one's faith or believe in God (or the Holy Trinity).

The problem with some people is that they believe that everyone should follow their religious tenets and that if anyone doesn't that they are personally ridiculing them, their religion, and that it somehow changes their belief. It's not so. That's akin to saying that if someone eats your birthday cake, you don't get to grow up.

Edit: I would like to note that I did chuckle when the person in the video said that "millions of people" were offended by this. I find that extremely hard to believe. It's the same hyperbole that religious fanatics use to try and turn an ant hill into a mountain. I support his claim that it is disrespectful, I support his right to demand an apology, and his right to make the video. I also support Activision's right to not have to respond to it or apologize for it.

[LAZL0-Panaflex]

@donbear....you are the man! Bubbles +

[knowyourstuff]

I've seen the painting, there's no writing on it, it's all pixellated.

Besides, if a painting on a wall offends you, you've got some serious mental issues. As previously stated most sane muslims couldn't care less.

[Dee_91]

how about u not play the game .. your religious you shouldnt be playing this game anyway.
eh what ever
as long as they are bringing it back I thought it was gone for good.

It is weird that IW put that in there tho...
CONSPIRACY THEORY

[MEsh3L]

thank you for your kind replies guys ... but you are missing the point ...!
the holy teachings are written in a bathroom that's all i'm talking about.

you want to tell me it's not meant to be like that ? com'n, islam is always targeted in every way possible .even in a game !!

I'm not perfect and no one is , we can get upset about it and send a message to IW to fix it , this is democracy :)

Read Read Read about islam " the real islam " don't just insult Muslims like that .

are you following Jesus and Moses teachings ? then you are one step closer to islam .

thank you again

[mt]

be proud MEsh3L that is how Muslims be, always protect your religion.
others religion don't care about their religion if you ask me some people just under a religion by a name only and they know noting about that religion.

[Gazondaily]

I'm actually genuinely disappointed by the reaction and sentiments by many on here.

It is so ironic that you are critiquing Muslims for their so-called intolerance and then a cursory glance at the comments on here show a complete lack of understanding and hate filled vitriol loosely dressed up as logic. ANd all this this has arisen from one, or a handful of users who merely brought IW's insensitive handling of of a subject matter to their attention.

The poor chap who made the featured video even says that it wasn't his intention to get the map removed- he (like myself) wanted clarification as to why the picture with Islamic wording is placed SPECIFICALLY above a toilet. Is this just a horrible mistake?

And its shocking to see people like donbear get mass agrees and bubbled up- have you read his other posts below? If anything, those are bordering on fanatical Christian musings- this chap is talking about how Muslims should get out of the West, how everyone should sever ties with Muslims and translating Biblical scriptures with his own silly interpretations insulting Muslims. Honestly, who are the ones making the knee jerk reactions now?

THIS is precisely the kind of ignorance and hatred that led to the persecution of the Jews during WW2.

Look at it again- its just a video of a gamer saying he's disappointed in IW's poor placement of Islamic references (which doesn't even make any contextual sense in a Favela anyway).

People saying things like 'they are always upset about something' just goes to show how little these people know/interact with Muslims.

No one is rioting over this, no one is screaming asking for blood to split. We're just disappointed that's all. Yet many on here are agreeing with and making stupid bigoted statements that generalise about a big chunk of the human populace. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

And laughably, people always comment on here critiquing COD players for being racist and intolerant bigots- yet over here, for an issue that affects Muslims and has been peacefully brought to the attention of the developers, many on here are making sweeping statements and generalising on the Muslim populace. But you know what, you're all right- how dare Muslims feel upset about this right?

Its a sad day for N4G- the kind of ignorance and intolerance shown on here is ironically similar to the ones the Muslim minority displayed over that stupid Youtube video.

Anyway- Salaam to all. It means 'peace' by the way so pitchforks down.

[SilentNegotiator]

So.....religious scripture is offensive if it's written on a painting in a virtual bathroom?

I can't understand the logic at all. Probably because there is none involved.

[TheoreticalParticle]

omi25p: "A picture tells a thousand words."

And some of those words are lies. Einstein wasn't an atheist.

"You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

Nor was Lincoln, nor Ben Franklin, nor Thomas Jefferson.

Just because they weren't Christian doesn't automatically make them atheists.

[guitarded77]

@ MEsh3L

If you are offended, then have a personal boycott against IW, but I stand by my above comment, of freedom of speech and artistic expression. I will respect your right to have your religion, but people in general are not required to respect yours or others religion. You have the right to be offended, but others have the right to not care that you're offended. Many of us are sick of seeing innocents killed by people which are offended by every little thing. The person in the video sounds like a zealot, and that kind of over emotional zeal can be very dangerous among those who grow bitter over time. We don't have to like everything that people say or do, but as long as someone is not taking away our civil rights, there isn't too much to get in a fuss about.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Colin Quinn had the best line about Muslims: "Don't let a few million bad apples spoil the whole bunch".

Supposedly, Islam is a peaceful religion. Now I do know some Muslims personally, and they are wonderful people. However there seems to be a large percentage of people who practice the religion whose mentality are stuck in the middle ages. I'm sorry but Sharia Law is outdated and barbaric.

[AsimLeonheart]

Hey guys, stop arguing and fighting especially my Muslim brothers. I am a Muslim as well and any practising Muslim will feel bad about that picture in the bathroom because we do not hang verses of sacred scriptures in bathroom. It is considered disrespectful to read or display religious texts in a toilet. Cultures and people are different and when different people live together they have to care for each other if they want to co-exist. All the nations and cultures are part of a global community just like any local neighbourhood community. When people live in communities they show mutual respect and concern for each other's physical and emotional well-being. Such a community cannot survive where its members consistently hurt or offend each other. Dont you guys care for each other's feelings and well-being in your local neighbourhoods and communities? Sometimes even if you hate someone you cannot say it outright because of the backlash. Can you call your neighbour or someone passing by a motherfxxcker or axxhole in the name of freedom of speech without getting punched in the face or at least getting an angry response? The same goes on a global and international scale. Each nation and culture has its own set of likes and dislikes and if nations want to co-exist and benefit from each other then they have to respect and care for each other. Things do not work out between two people when one keeps offending the other.
All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. It does not means mocking, ridiculing or offending others. Such a use is actually an abuse of the right of freedom of speech and it is not productive in any way except for having some cheap short-term fun or gratification. In the long term such insensitivity, arrogance and lack of concern only leads to straining of relationships and disruption of peace. I have tried to explain rationally and politely so I hope at least some people understand. We Muslims do not hate "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) especially the Christians. Allah says in the Holy Quran that Muslims will find Christians to be friendlier towards Muslims as compared to other nations. Even the term used "People of the Book" is kind of respectful. The problem is that very few Muslims actually read or study Islam, Quran and Hadith so they do not know what God has told them to do and how to behave. They just act and behave based on their personal opinions or on the preachings of corrupt or illiterate clerics who do not even themselves know the religion in detail. Sometimes they twist the meaning of sacred scriptures and at other times they just ignore doctrines that are not in line with their own preconceptions just to maintain their loyal following and position of power. Moreover, there are a lot of false rumours and lies going around about Muslims and Islam which cause hate among foreign nations like we beat our wives, or kill rape victims or oppress women. On the contrary, some time back in my neigborhood, an angry wife was throwing bricks at her husband and the poor guy was just like "Honey wait, honey listen." Everyone in the neighbourhood was trying to calm her down and help the poor husband. LOL! The fact is stranger than fiction or rumours/news in the case of Muslims. I really want non-Muslims to understand Islam and Muslims. I would be so glad to explain anything about Islam if someone asked with an honest and serious intention.

[snp]

All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. It does not means mocking, ridiculing or offending others.
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Wrong. It absolutely means mocking, ridiculing and offending others are on as well. Of course, there's cause and effect - if you're doing these things to someone intellectually or otherwise incapable of a verbal response, you'll have to consider how they will likely respond. It doesn't mean these things are off the cards, though.

Not every useful development comes from polite people or polite situations. And not every internal challenge comes to an individual from another personality in the exact way they may want it to. To expect or demand it's so is childishness (of the individual, or the group). If you're easily stirred the trick is to look within and ask why you're nervous system is so vulnerable/shaky to externals (words). The more grown up it is - you are - the more genuinely firm in your beliefs you are (as opposed to externally theatrical you are) the less you'll rage at this stuff.

Work out what's holding you back. There's no good for a mass to be standing out on a beam over a gorge demanding the world - into perpetuity - create no 'strong winds' via free speech (or even soft winds). It's an outrageous demand, a uniquely childish demand, and an impractical one besides, especially with 6 billion people in the world - which means 6 billion personalities and ethical systems.

There's simply no way of muffling this many people so 'you' don't ever have to feel certain things (even if the demand wasn't self-evidently grotesque and destructive - to the freedom of others, and frankly to your own development).

[Kurylo3d]

u know the problem with this is that its an insult to another culture. Its like running up to a black person and calling him a nigger and especting not to get punched in the face. Expecting him to honor your freedom of speech.

This is racism pure and simple. In the old days it acceptable to be racist toward black people. Now its just hidden away. But today its more exceptable to be racist and intolerant of muslims. Why? Because fox news and right wing biggots feel the need to bash anything that is not Christian. Its a sad fucking thing. It offends their culture.

I think the real question is... why the hell is this painting in a map like favela? Muslims don't even live in favela as far as I could tell. Wrong location on the planet. Seems to me that the artist who made this level did it purposely. So the real conversation shouldn't be "fuck the muslims and their need for respect" It should be "fuck the developer for allowing this shit". Im not a muslim either, and to be honest Jesus Christ would be ashamed of all these so called "Christians".

I can understand if in the story the guy who owned the house was racist against muslims, but this placement made no sense and had no value.. it was purely to be a dick and make a statement.

[Christopher]

***All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. ***

Not in most countries, actually.

[Beastforlifenoob]

I am muslim as well, but I dont care to be offended by something like this ESPECIALLY if it is in a game Like MW2 with people killing people, I wouldnt take offense to something so small. Also I wonder if this rule goes to the virtual aspect asweel (i.e no one technically poops there)

[FriedGoat]

Offending another culture? WHO CARES. This is OUR culture not theirs. If they don't like what we do, Don't play our games, don't come into our countries and tell us that we are wrong, If you don't like it, go home to your third world where you can happily kill eachother and live in blissful ignorance.

[Kurt Russell]

I'm sorry but religion should have sway on absolutely nothing... It should change nothing, if anything the religious should be sectioned under the mental health act, as to believe in any religion what-so-ever is completely preposterous and detrimental to society. You've got to be INSANE to believe in men in clouds and that other hocus pocus, whilst EVIDENCE has been formed to prove all of it a load of bollocks, and NO EVIDENCE has ever existed to prove it isn't.

[WonderboyIII]

I am a muslim too and to quote from a hadeeth and hide it in a picture frame is very intentional of a hate hidden in a high resolution gaming world. Now if I was a Jew I would call it antisemtism and move masses of media and legal powers against you, but I am not. I remember that the witcher 2 had a praying mat in a brothel as a texture. I spotted it and quitely sent them a message to fix it. They did in a patch. They have my respect. Nothing wrong with respect in both directions right?

[AsimLeonheart]

@SNP
Did you even read the "productive" word?? How is pissing others off productive? You guys want the freedom to offend people, kill people and attack countries. You only think for yourselves, your pleasures and your needs. Cultural difference man... cultural difference. You guys are jut too self-centred, selfish, self-righteous and arrogant. We on the other hand are more concerned about what will happen to others because of our actions. Western cultures are individualistic and eastern cultures are collective. Keep in mind that people like you only last until they have the power because as long as they have power they piss everyone off and when they loose power they get crushed. Your arrogance is only because your nation is a superpower but it wont be forever. It will suffer the same fate as the Egyptian, Roman, Persian, Ottoman, Mongol and British empires. Because of your such behaviour you give rise to animosity among other cultures and that is why you people are called "ugly Americans" in the rest of the world.

[snp]

Did you even read the "productive" word?
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An anarchists view of the word 'productive' differs from, say, a conservatives. There is no objective use of that word all 6 billion temprements on this world would agree upon. It's pointless.

Start trying to shoe-horn everyone to fit one mold under threat of violence from one or another group if topic x or y are approached, or approached in this or that way... we've got a serious problem.

How is pissing others off productive?
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If nothing else its productive in terms of showing a very dark problem of just how easily offended some folks are and what lengths they'll go to once they've assumed this offense (offense can only be assumed). Job done. Next step is to find a fix for this arrested development. These folks who think the world outside their heads shouldn't be allowed to 'offend' them.

Honestly, personally i've got no interest in 'pissing off' anyone. But that's my choice. My nature. My voice. Nor am i easily 'pissed off' by others. I'm happy to say or hear anything in an world of open and free ideas - and any and every real world test for those ideas (be it pleasant or edgy).

Cultural difference man... cultural difference.
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Nope, doesn't wash. If the world was completely disconnected, maybe.. But access to western developments of this past centuries necessitates respect and ownership of the values that come with those developments and made those developments possible.

Free speech is and has been essential in making our modern psychology/technology/lifestyl e - perks enjoyed by humans everywhere to varying extents.

I'll put all your other shots aside except to say that i'm not American. Nor am i religious or anti-religious for that matter. 'Culture' means little to me. If something is of value it can withstand any challenge/attack (however you want to frame it).

Whatever is real with stand, whatever isn't wont. There are many beautiful things that i'm sure can survive any test which would come under 'culture' (including Islamic). But they've gotta be able to stand on their own two feet.

I don't see Islamics, Christians, Atheists... I see humans. Life first, then humans.

The Madonna and the the Whore isn't a way of life to me or the epitome of male/female interactions. Frankly, it's a regressive psycho-sexual complex more in need of Freud than a shrine. Psychology - truth - trumps someone else's 'cultural' beliefs.

Some would see that statement as an 'attack' and demand it not be made. I see it as my truth, and i'm open to challenge.

[Death_Grin48]

You're proud that your people kill each other every day for some dead messenger guy? You're proud that your people kill women because they don't do everything that they're told? You're proud that your people kill innocents to please their mighty ruler into bringing them to its magic fairy tale land with 70 slave virgins and be perverts forever? Sacred and peaceful enough...

It doesn't matter what your book says, it's how people use it to their liking. It's not sacred. The whole world is suffering because of your people. The idea of having them in my country, trying to change the way we live into their liking makes me sick.

There will never be world peace, but in order to have a better future, the idea of "Allah" either needs to go or stay in Egypt where it belongs.

[Blastoise]

I find it funny how the guy had to equip a sniper just to zoom into the blurred writing.

I've played this game since 2009 and I never noticed it. Seriously is this really that big a deal?

And on another note, where the heck do Infinity ward get these images from?!

[jerethdagryphon]

the immages quotes and all sorts are most likly aquired from the internet , it wouldnt have been done to offend anyone.

some art person was told they needed 100 paintings and frames for the game, so he found paintings shrunk them down applied filters and stuck them as a normal map over a group of polygons as seperate assets.

then the level designer makes the map and decorates it with props from the assets collection.

a picture of a tree in the bathroom ok, fair enough its relaxing right...

except he finds out down the line that the unique frame is actually religious text, he looks it up and finds its non offensive , say it said god loves us all, (christian references to avoid offence)... hes relieved because whatever it says is non offensive.

then some diligent person notices the picture and zoom in to have a closer look.... and here we are.

[M_Prime]

what gets me is he says he loves

MW1, MW2 and MW3, so he already bought the next game and played it. I am guessing he was bored and needed youtube hits.

[FriedGoat]

Guns offend me, we should take them out too.

[doogiebear]

Yeah i'm sick of the the fact that so many Islamic fundamentalists expect the west to bend over backwards for them everytime they get offended. But it is no surprise, seeing how they think they should be able to force the world to follow their own laws on religion (known as Sharia Law). Look up "Walid Shoebat Mark of the Beast" on youtube. If your a Christian, you'll be surprised by what you see. If your not, then you'll probably just think it's all nonsense. Either way, I just thought I'd put it out there.

It's not Islamophobia...It's Islamo-realism.

[Yardie]

Unfortunately, when they complain, companies do bend over backwards.

Comedy central bleeped out the prophet mohammed in a couple of south park episodes.

media molecule had to take down a positive muslim song in lbp.

and it seems infinity ward is editing this trivial detail.

[doogiebear]

This just in, from the religion of "peace":

Today, a 14 year old was shot in the head because muslims were offended that she was advocating for education rights of little girls. Then a statement was released by the villains, saying that the fact that she is secular (non religious) was an added bonus as to why she was shot.

Since we're on the topic of things muslims get upset about, I thought I would share todays event. Meanwhile, in the Asian muslim Nation of Indonesia, a man was flogged (whipped harshly) because he was playing a game of dominoes. I wonder what would happen if they found out about these muslims playing video games (who also enjoy things that are forbidden in Islam: such as music, musical instruments, pork, sports, and non-Islamic complient politics--all of which can land one in jail, or even a death sentence).

This happened today. The link is below.

Kid shot in head:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/w...

Dominoes story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

[victoryscreeeeeech]

They are just complaints.

[gta2800]

Complaints for now. Till the "Death to America" Radicals hear about this and it becomes the next excuse for them to burn American flags over and want some Americans head on a stick.

[N4realGMRZ]

I have been a Gamer for roughly 30 years. I am also a muslim...complaing about something like this is trivial, however i did play this and i did notice what they did...This is why Muslims get upset......its not because of what is on the painting...its because the people who put the painting exactly where it is knew it would be offensive....the insensitivity is what upsets muslims.....Muslims would never put any of the holy scriptures in a shit infested bathroom.......again its simply because these guys know its offensive but still decide to do it out of spite that upsets the muslims.....A good muslim though would simply shrug and shake his head....not fall into the anger trap they have spitefully created.....these images are absolutely trying to cause a hateful rift....the best way to voice our protest is by simply never buying there games again....as if only killing arabs wasnt enough in all of these military crud games...Halo 4 it is.

[DragonKnight]

You really think that people who are spending millions of dollars and time to make games are going to purposely do something like this out of spite? Talk about arrogance. Have you considered the possibility that it was in fact a Muslim designer that did this? Have you considered that there are members of every religion in the world that can't stand the religion they are a part of? I suppose what I just said could lend credence to your argument that it was placed there out of spite, but I still maintain that that attitude is the height of arrogance. As if anyone actually cares enough to go through that kind of detail just to piss off some Muslim gamers. If they really wanted to do that, it would be far more obvious.

[jerethdagryphon]

first i have no issues with anyone of any religion.
however the idea of it being done delibertly to offend is unlikely

to prove that it was deliberate you would have to have the texture artist the map maker and the quality assurance all understand Islam to an fair extent and read arabic.

i dont read arabic when i saw that picture i did not see language i saw texture the painting is a small image with a canvas filter,

the people who make the levels have a set of assets. most bathrooms in homes have some sort of decoration to make things nice. they likly were told put up a few paintings to break up the walls.

no offense was intended im sure of it.

however because of media coverage and exposure company's and people will bend over backwards to avoid causing offense to Islamic people.

however i really dont think its done out of respect, i feel its more likely fear driving all of this pc nonsense.

expect people to show respect for your religion is fine, expecting them to know the ins and outs and make there lives businesses and policys conform for your faith is not,

[N4realGMRZ]

@ DragonKnight........Yes i do think it was placed there on purpose.....otherwise where was the last time u have seen any holy Scripture in a bathroom? of any religon or culture? about my arragonce im sorry you feel that way.....i am offended by it the same way you would be offended by something that is dare to you...you may not understand our ofence because the same does not offend you for your religon but i ask u this....why should i accept your notion of not being offended just because u are not? every culture is different my friend.....what u may find offensive i may not and vise verse.....there is a simple solution to understnading people of other cultures....its respect.

@ jerethdaryphon maybe your right maybe this wasnt done delibrtly .....and i do agree it wasnt ment to offend anyone that doesnt understand arabic but for those who do...it does......

[DragonKnight]

I wasn't calling you arrogant N4realGMRZ, I was calling the idea that someone (or many people) would take the time and money to hide an insult to the Islamic peoples of the world in a game arrogant. It doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry but it is a trivial thing to be upset about. Consider this, Allah is the omnipotent being those of the Islamic faith state created the universe and all things. Do you personally believe that an all-knowing and all-powerful being is concerned with a video game?

Here's another question. If someone walked up to you and said "I'm offended by the color black so kindly change your black shirt now." Are you telling me right here and now that you wouldn't find that to be a trivial, non-issue to be upset about? This "insult" went unnoticed for 3 years and took actual work to find. That says that someone was looking to be offended and was trying to exert power by claiming it was religiously insensitive. Not because of what was said, but because of where the painting was.

I will never understand how something like that, or something like having verses of the Quran in a LittleBigPlanet song can be insulting and offensive. When you see Christians buying those Jesus Bobbleheads mentioned here so they can put them in their car to celebrate their faith, do you ask why they aren't insulted by a Jesus Bobblehead?

The problem with taking offense to something like this is that the world takes offense to the smallest little things. It shows that you have too much time on your hands and a chip on your shoulder. If people would stop taking offense all the time, perhaps the human race would actually evolve.

[mantisimo]

@ N4real

what utter twaddle you wrote "Yes i do think it was placed there on purpose.....otherwise where was the last time u have seen any holy Scripture in a bathroom? of any religon or culture?"

These are generic pictures seen throughout the game in many different places, all games repeat the images when needed and they will just have thought "OK the tree will look nice in the bathroom"

AND that is that. look at Uncharted 3 the same pictures crop up time and time again all over the world, they were just lucky they didn't choose a prerendered image of a muslim frame in the bathroom scene in their game!

Oh and Jesus lives on my bathroom wall I chat to him all the time, Sheesh!

You my friend have the intolerant racist attitude NOT the devs or the people disagreeing with you. Oh and this is not an alt account.

[N4realGMRZ]

@ DragonKnight, the Omnipontent Allah isnt offended is he the one having a conversation with you? no! lol so u ask me to take into consideration things about my faith....this is great i will take your self implied knowladge about islam into perspective....my problem isnt what God think my friend but how....I feel about it....is it a problem now to be offended by something? im guessing you dont feel bad when Inmature inconsiderate muslims burn the American Flag...but ofcourse u will denie this......and you will say Americans dont complain about it...even though the media always points it out...God has nothing to do with this conversation my freind it it what I consider offensive...you know the same way Denying the holocust ever existed is offensive ....to many....i find people delibrtly mocking my faith offensive.....u fail to understand this because u live in a bubble...where you can only think in the way u put things into contex.....silly really.

@ Mantisimo....this isnt an alternate account? lol ok buddy. You can talk to Jesus all you want in your bathroom...i have no problems with that it dosnt bother you so therefore it dosnt bother me i respect that....can you do the same? or do u live in the same bubble like DragonKNight? by the way now that being offended means i have become an intolerant racist. did i offend you to be called a racist? if so how? the hypocrisy here is whats intolerable.

[DragonKnight]

@N4realGMRZ: First, you should consider what Allah would or would not be offended by since he's your God. If He, an omnipotent being, has better things to think about than so should you. Second, I'm not American. Third, the American media is deliberately sensationalist to try and rile people up, it's not the same as the people getting upset on their own. Fourth, I never claimed any knowledge about your religion, I'm simply using common sense. Would you remove an article of clothing you are wearing because someone is offended by its color? The Holocaust is on a whole different level than what we're talking about. You can't compare Holocaust denial to pixelated and difficult to find Muslim sayings in video games. That's more arrogance.

People are far too sensitive in this world and it stems from a huge need for attention and/or validation. Being offended by this is of the same mentality as the most rabid fanboy on this site. It's pathetic and sad. It has no bearing on anyone's perception of Islam (as only those who can read Arabic would even know what it means) and it isn't serious enough to warrant threats and demands. It is like being offended that the sky is blue instead of green.

If you get offended by the smallest things, then life offends you.

[rainslacker]

It's hard to believe that a big company would go out of their way to do something offensive like that. It's much more likely that the level designer didn't notice it, or maybe he was catholic and thought it made sense. I know several catholics that have the "footsteps" thing somewhere in their bathroom. It was an inspirational thing, just bad placement.

[Shadowstar]

Are you for real? No one there was thinking "Ha! Those crazy Muslims, we'll really get them with this obscure painting on the wall!"

Many Christian bathrooms I've seen have religious iconography in some form in them-- picture of Jesus, quote from scripture, painting of a Saint... It's not part of the culture over here to think that these things shouldn't be in a bathroom. And let's face it, most people are not culturally aware enough to make such a subtle insult on purpose.

[N4realGMRZ]

@ Shadowstar.....Please re-read what i said....if your ok with jesus being in your bathroom and scriptures of your holy book then i have no beef at all with that.....now explain to me why by your logic i should except that to be the norm in our religon? Why on earth can any of you who posted in reply understand that this in our faith is offensive...i have accepted that talking to jesus and quotes and scriptures in your bathroom is normal and you take no offense to it...i understand! lol what i cant understand is your line of thinking....because u do this and its normal to you and ok by you and your culture...then the whole world should adhere to your standards and do and think in the same manner as you do? how does this work? explain it to me? becaus3e u think its normal...then a whole religon and culture should just say..."hey!! its cool they thinks its normal! lets all just be cool!!" because apparently the world...cant be offended by anything without your consent......Seriously what a condecending and disgusting thought.

[Shadowstar]

@N4realGMRZ : I do understand that it's offensive to you. And I think it's a good thing that they took the map down so that they can fix things, since it's always better to apologize and correct a mistake when it's made. Where I disagree with you is that you're saying you think it was an intentional insult. That's just ridiculous.

Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity or ignorance.

As far as "my" holy book goes, I don't have one, I think you're all delusional, Christians, Muslims, whatever else- but if it helps get you through the day, I have no problem with you keeping your crutches, so long as you don't go around bashing humanity in the face with them. I'm talking about prevalent "Western" culture and why it would simply never occur to anyone that it would offend Muslims until they took offense.

[dedicatedtogamers]

In other news, Muslims get upset at this article for using the word "Muslims".

[rezzah]

it is not about who looks at it and who doesn't, it is about the meaning behind why the picture is up there with religious writing above a toilet.

You have to look at it as symbolism to get the idea of:

"I shyt on this saying/beauty/religion"

An act of hatred? or a act of respect? Until the reason why it was put there is revealed, no one will know.

[Yardie]

Aesthetic.

But then again, it's just as likely that Jay Z put it there to help on his quest for world domination.

[Abdou23]

As a Muslim i want to clarify that the prronlem is to write the name " Allah" in a toilet, as it's not a place of "immaculacy " For instance we shouldn't eat or drink in a bathroom.
But anyways as a Muslim if i ran into such thing while playing a game i will just move on with my life and would never care to complain or such, not something major comparing with the amount of offence we get on yearly basis from every part of this planet.

[mantisimo]

The thing is Abdou that a few muslims do make a big deal out of this sort of thing that moderate people of other religions would not.

I thank you for your tolerance and respect the fact you are knowledgeable yet temperate.

And yes there are idiots with extreme views in ALL religions (although I do agree that I never met a buddhist crusader or extremist). Hmmm?

So a little common sense and thought is all thats needed.

I'm a happy man and an atheist. I don't care where I end up If it's bad I probably deserve it but the fact that all religions are only at most a few thousand years old I think I literally will just turn to dust.

Peace.

[mantisimo]

Oh and after watching the video again most religions would love to have quotes praising their gods in a game, wherever they were placed.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about" Oscar Wilde.

[Halochampian]

And this is why people consider me anti-theist. I'm all for people having beliefs but when it starts to deny rights to others, oppress, and do shit like this is when I get disgusted.

This isn't just against Muslims but Christians as well. They both are equally as bad. Both of their gods command the killing of others. Gays and others for the Christians. Non-believers for the Muslims.

I'm sorry if that offends you but there is a lot in life that is going to offend you. Cry in a corner and then come back and grow up.

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

If he wants an "official apology" then that should come in the form of a predator missile. :)

[StraightPath]

Activisions response and actions are brilliant. My respect for Activision has gone up by doing this and making the edits shows they care about diversity.

[mcstorm]

The problem we have in this world is people get worked up over the smallest this and for no reason.

Ok they may find this offensive but other people dont. Religion is one of the biggest problems in this world always has been and always will be as long as its around.

To me it dose not matter what religious beliefs you have or what colour your skin is. We should all respect each other for we are not who we belive in. No religion is right and none are wrong and its our choice in what we do and who we look up to. To me this not not be any big deal for anyone as its a game. Its not realy and i bet 99% of the people who play this game would not notice it and by the age of it people have not noticed it but yet again a very small number of people overreact and spoil it foreveryone else. Its a western game so expect western type thing in the game. Do you think the Germans look at ww2 games and make a fuss because they are the bud guys in all the games? No they just enjoy the game as a game.

For me the world needs to grow up.

[Ranma1]

Islam was founded by a terrorist, who kidnapped women and children and sold them into slavery, and gave some to the Sahaba (Muhammad's companion), so they can have sex with them.

Evidence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And i find it very offensive that people promote and practice the teachings of Muhammad everyday through be beheadings, stonings, war, kidnapping, e.t.c

[Tyrone_Biggums]

Seriously. How the hell do people find such small details like this? Are they that bored while playing?

[nerdkiller]

religion of peace my ass,can u imagine a world with out muslim thats like 90% violence in the world gone.

[showtimefolks]

here is a simple thought from a peaceful muslim's view, why over the past few years some non-muslims have gone out of their way to piss of a rather large religion. By now people should realize islam is a peaceful religion but when someone does something stupid that means there will be a reactions.

Go ahead disagree but i believe if you don't know anything about islam A either try to learn before speaking or doing something that may offend people or B and just leave it alone and mind your business.

I know this game is old but IW should do the smart thing and remove this.

we have so much fighting going on on the name of religion and instead of trying to make peace and avoid conflict it seems like every few months someone goes if i do this will this offend a muslim. And when a muslim takes action than that person is labelled as a terrorist. Here is a thought leave our religion alone.

i have read few comments which said this game is made in a christian country but here is a thought a lot of christian live in muslims countries so by these things if one of them gets hurt than was it worth it? we should be trying to make peace but i guess we all have bad people in our religions.

a life is a life whether its a muslim or non-muslim everything should be done to protect that life and if these things will put anyone in danger than we should stop doing these

leave islam alone if you don't know anything about it
don't say anything about prophet Muhammad that you have not done your research about.

Believe it or not Islam is about peace and living in peace but it seems like people are poking the bear to see if he reacts and when he does than let's label him as bad

[doogiebear]

Quote by the late, great Winston Churchill:

(Churchill was the World Leader (British) smart enough to see first, that Adolph Hitler was evil when FDR, Chamberlain, and liberals everywhere were praising and courting him!)

Sir Winston Churchill on Islam:

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund,(dead-like Buddhism, Confucianism) Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step.”

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog,..."

"The fact that in Mohammedan law every...must belong to...as his absolute property...delay(s) the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

- Sir Winston Churchill

Also this excerpt from his speech goes into more detail in this quote:

"Ho w dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

This was written in 1899. Churchill was also the one of first major voices to warn the West about the impending danger of Nazi Germany. No one listened to him until it was too late.

[MrMister]

Every day you look in the news and more than 75% of the stories are about some kind of crazy islamic uprising or honor killing. Then you get crazies always trying to defend these muslim cultists. Just sickening how they just let muslims play the victim role.

[IAmLee]

Guess I won't be taking my muslim friend to the art gallery afterall..

[Mounce]

I notice they complain more than Americans themselves, its annoying to be honest, and in a non-racist manner.

Like, where Americans somewhat egotistically, (Generalizations included) think themselves as the world police or that the world revolves around them. With Muslims, I mean, is it meant to be 'Common Knowledge' of what would offend them or what is politically correct with their nation and religion and rules? Game developers who make games globally for sure as hell can't look at EVERY fucking religion, every fucking language, every species, every alien, and probe their laws, rules, dislikes, what offends, what's right or wrong with each culture like say, in some countries, its offensive to give a THUMBS UP. Its PRAISE to Burp after a meal in some. So, if in a video game, someone in a restaurant BURPS, should I fucking whine to the developers for being ignorant about my culture?! NO. and Fuck off. Religion-hate, 'Perceived'-hate or otherwise. Being offended in such weak ways, annoys me. It's pathetic. By all means too, It's not that I'm insensitive or just uncaring to other nations or religions, but must one whine about this? There's tons of Animes and Games that contain Jesus or God-like entities that reference Christian myths and its history and I don't even hear as many complaints unlike from the Muslim community.

[hennessey86]

These days, anything offends them.

[JellyJelly]

I wonder what would offend Mohammad, Jesus or any other prophet the most - The fact that their words are depicted on a frame above a toilet or the fact that their followers are playing a game that is about all about SHOOTING AND KILLING?

SaffronCurse - "This religion dosen't make any sense to me." What religion does, really? Christianity, Islam, it's the same sh*t with different prophets really.

[yaz288]

jelly jelly , Christinity and islam would be the same , that is, if it werent for a pagan king who hijacked Jesus name and started mixing false rituals and believes . and that jesus was one of many of god prophets who were sent to guide curtain people , so is mohammed , but the diffrent is that mohammed was the last of the last of prophet and that god has sent him to all of humanity on the same goal as the prohets who came before him , and that is To bring them back to unite and worship God . the real god , the one and only god .

[SaffronCurse]

Lol they decide to get rid of this 3 years after release when millions of people have already played it.

This religion dosen't make any sense to me.

[r21]

So the map is out for a while, there are other maps to play.

[MacDonagh]

...

[Zha1tan]

religion should keep to itself and stay away from entertainment.

[TheComedian]

They get upset over a picture of a dog on a newspaper.
They get upset over an ice cream brand because it faintly reminds them of Mohammed.
They get upset over some verses of Quaran on a picture frame because they believe it is in a disrespectful place.

And when they get offended riots,mob lynches and in some cases even public executions and assassination orders from higher ups follow. Not in this case but in others yes. And by the end of the day they are the religion of "peace". Well of course. When you have exterminated everyone who doesn't share the same faith with you and there is noone with a counter argument of course there will be peace. Please I implore you do go on ahead and tell me how racist I am and how I have been brainwashed by the media. But everything I said is not media propaganda it is things that have happened in real life.

[Baka-akaB]

As long as you dont forget that christianism devouts are and behaved exactly the same way .

[TheComedian]

Interesting you should say that. I think you misunderstand my post. Yes Christians do get offended as well at nonsensical things. But when they do I don't see angry mobs in the streets burning flags,beating up innocent people and other such atrocities en mass. Yes there may be the occasional protest from time to time BUT it is not a destructive manforce walking in unison. And the last time Christians had that appalling mob mentally was,yes you guessed it,in the Dark ages. In short it is not the fact that they get offended that gets to me. It is the fact that they throw violent hissy fits and tantrums in response to the offense like little children.
Edit:
and do note that I am an atheist so which religion is "better" is a silly point to me. But things are as they are.

[Baka-akaB]

It's happening to this century in some remote and deemed "weird" places . Not so long ago , in 2011 a group of peruvians "shamans" were brutally murdered by that kind of lynching christian based mob .

And i dont care either way too , so long as one doesnt try to sell me it's less bloddy , stupid ; and an*l retentive as the other .

The christian world is just relatively at "peace" for now . While most islamic related countries are still in turmoils and changes . Religion has always been a political and warfare tool and will remain so . It just happens that right now the northern american hemisphere , and most of europe is at peace and doesnt need it as much .

Dont forget this isnt the first fps to get that kind of silly request . The Church petitionned for the removal of a cathedral in resistance too .

[TheComedian]

"It's happening to this century in some remote and deemed "weird" places"
Do take a close look at the words you yourself used and you will see how it is not the same thing.
Muslims:en mass
Christians:singular happenings
"Dont forget this isnt the first fps to get that kind of silly request . The Church petitionned for the removal of a cathedral in resistance too"
Well...did it happen in the end?
Anyway last bubble if you wish to continue the discussion I will be more than glad to indulge in PMs.

[InTheLab]

I just made a comment in some other thread stating the exact same thing....well, I may have poked fun at a few religious figures...but mostly the same thing.

I love how one religion pretends to be the moral standard but all the rest are practiced by savages...

@TheComedian

The Dark Ages? Ever hear of Cross burning? Still happens in the deep south of the U.S.

[Baka-akaB]

"Do take a close look at the words you yourself used and you will see how it is not the same thing. "

I never said it was frequent . But you guys act as if splinters , mobs and radicalists dont exist at all within the christianity and other movements .

Well it does with facts dating to right now , no need to go back to the dark ages , it even freaking was there in the 90's.

Many would even argue about the nature of the Bush wars as some ort of crusade , but i wont go further there .

That's all i'm saying

[Irishguy95]

Christianity 'grew/forced' out of this. It was called the Renaissance. However, "Crusades" in the name of God. Inquisitors etc// I'm not gonna bother going on, the point is, Islam extremism must be quenched and destroyed just like Christianity's ridiculous BS was.

Really, Religion itself is ****ing fine. But Religion is abused and used as an Excuse for other stuff. Close minded people are simply close minded, Religion doesn't make people that way/

[doogiebear]

Don't be surprised that they use Peace as a tool to disable their critics.

Genesis 16:12
He (Descendants of Ishamael...aka the Arabs (most Muslims)) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers (everyone else)."

1Thes:5:3:
"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them (those who were fooled by the false peace), ...... and they shall not escape."

Daniel 8:25
"By peace, he (the leader of a hostile world-wide religion) will destroy many"

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It's okay with me if you don't believe the same things that I do, but i just thought I would put it out there.

[Scrupuless]

No one cares about your crazy bible quotes. You think you can fight fire with fire? Your religion is just as ignorant, violent and untrue as islam. Also love how you needed to add your own caption/interpretation to direct the readers to see your point of view.

[neogeo]

I have no tolerance for religion.

[Dovahkiin]

Especially upset muslims.

[BigBearNate]

Seriously petty. Cause of a stupid little painting in the middle of no-where. Honestly. I seriously doubt they were trying to be offensive. Talk about a literal Sh*t fit for nothing. The solution is always... We'll Boycott. Typical.

[Getowned]

lol I bet who ever put that picture there pickled it at random from a gallery of other pictures. I'm really sure that the guy who did it had no idea about it. I'm shocked at how they took this as offensive. I'm Christian and I just say "meh" at these kind of things, I don't let it bug me.... I actually laugh at it sometimes too, sense of humor grow one. ;D

" *sniff sniff* suddenly it reaks of hypocrisy in here... Well well well if it isn't the Catholic Church.. OH and whats this ? no little Timmy glued to your crotch.. progress." HAH! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Hellsing abridged owns!

Anyway I think this whole thing is stupid, oh well I don't even play MW2 anymore, and one on my friends list dose.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

allah is a the god of war

http://i47.tinypic.com/5ohv...

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

This means that the semitic monotheistic gods are nothing but a copy of the mythologies of pagan gods.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

And btw i love god of war as in mythology, not by making it look real, that where all the problems starts

[MacDonagh]

hey arq888

Jesus, man.

[yaz288]

Allah is a word for God. In Arabic, the word means simply "the God." , we were all created by a universal god , and thats god.and no other but god . and that there is no such thing as god of war. or god of heaven or buddha or Jesus or holy spirit or any kind of forgery or falseness.

[Hanilugtehul]

so you got the proof of you god being the only god through a book,thats pretty impressive:-)ignorance is bliss isnt it?:-) oh and by the way , the world really needs your gods help,people are starving and killing each other can you please tell him to stop playing hide and seek:-)Peace:-)

[serial00]

My Friend That Book contain convincing proofs . so its not really about ignorance .

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(No matter how you think about it , No person could ever fabricate such a thing especially at that era .
)

And you only die once .either you go to hell or heaven . if you follow righteous Path and be patient over life difficulty you will be rewarded

[Hanilugtehul]

@Serial00 so you telling me a book can tell the truth about the truth, come on you cant be serious? and i just saw the two video link you posted, 6 minuts of video on youtube is proof to you, please open you eyes and ears, you are caught in a illusion reality is waiting outside you door, you should try it:-)

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.Quote:socrates

[serial00]

Please you sound just like this guy here
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Open your eyes , you have nothing to lose if you have a little faith .And I dont understand ? 6 minuts isnt enough for you ? you want more ? check youtube , read the quran , Try to be open minded

science every day prove Quran miracles and that it is truly god words . Dont be like the jews when Moses kept showing them god miracles , they kept drifting away and asking for more .When more was what they got , but they kept ignoring (not must of them ). so when you see a miracle think about it,what does it mean ? you dont just say thats it .

[kikizoo]

XD

"we were all created by a universal god"

no, only parents..and before monkeys : just science's fact.

[reznik_zerosum]

-censored muhamed joke-

[nanometric]

Dude, you misspelled Muhammad and you did it with a lowercase "m".

If I were you, I'd be running really fast right about now.

[Straightupbeastly]

This is all part of karma for Activision for trying to screw over the old employees of infinity ward

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

Activision has sold more than 30 million copies MW2, so why would the give a shit about the game being boycotted ?, lmao

[p_bateman]

This is very sad aren't computer games illegal in muslim countries anyway.

[abzdine]

No matter which belief one has, i think people should love and respect each other because we are all humans in first place.

I dont think it is ok to try to hurt others by any means. If i make a game and i insult the mother or even the idea of anybody i dont think that person will appreciate... Always try to put yourselves in the place of the other.
People who dont care about religion should at least let the ones who care in peace..

To me it looks like a mistake from the studio and i dont think they meant it as offensive. Let's see.

[SAE]

Exactly , the people who try to insulte others believes are only showing how sick they are instead of proving the religion wrong..

You people blame us for being upset and sensitive instead of telling activision to remove it and respect all religions ...

imagine if muslims Made a game that insulted your religion , you wouldnt care ?.. i wont believe you if you say no because you wont let others insulted what you believe is right , if is a right for us to be upset.

[GammaSix]

Religion needs to die

[SAE]

So you like how the people that doesnt believe in religions live ?.. Drunk , no limits in life , no fear of doing bad things , tbe truh is that without religion people would kill each other more , ignorant age proves that , thats why we need somsthing to guide us , to live the right way , peacefully and dont do bad things we revret it or destroy our lifes or even others.

What relly must die is th hate , if we all accepted each other believes we wont have any kind of fight , each to his own believe , then god or nature judge us for what we choose.

[brettyd]

Um just because you don't believe in religion doesn't mean your a drunk crazy person with no morals. You're the one who's ignorant.

I think everyone has the right to believe in what they wan't but your logic is asinine.

[DarkBlood]

i didnt grow up in a church or anything of similiar nature, yet i turned out fine

in fact sometimes i think religion blocks who you really are from a black or white point of view, i rather be a good person because of who i really am and want to be good not because a bible tells me to be but thats my take

i believe in god in my own way, theres no certain way to determine which one is the truth so i back away from them im sure whereever i go in the afterlife "god" will understand my reasoning for it

[Pandamobile]

@lDeath489 If the only thing stopping you from murdering, raping and stealing is your fear of a deity, then you're one messed up individual.

Take a look at the violent crime rates in countries with more a more secular or atheistic population like Sweden, and compare that to a religious country like Iran.

Get your head checked.

[GezForce]

The problem with Islam is that its not a religion... but an ideology that is not compatible with our western customs and beliefs. They are not here to integrate but to dominate through jihad... the islamification of the world. Unlike other religions Tolerance is not in their teachings unfortunately. The West is way too lenient towards these minorities in our societies. i dread the day we eventually becomes the minority on our own soil...I'm sure we wont be treated so mercifully.

[WonderboyIII]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyxzWQ mRUx0&feature=relmfu

[-Mezzo-]

This story brought out the Colors of N4G, i never knew existed.

[Deadpool616]

Indeed. Behind the veil of the internet, people will type anything.

[soraalam1]

So much disrespect for a religion makes me sad.

[yaz288]

the short version of the shit going on here:

90%
"I hate religion.."

70%
trying pathetically to make a joke about this..

50%
just disagreeing with any shit they don't like .. comments that ignite hate and racism somehow gets allot of agrees and bubbles. and the peaceful ones get all the hate .. very nice

and whats the fuss all about? just some guy posting 2 min video in a peaceful manner , no bombing, no killing.. asking for clarification, and what do you get? a storm of blind angry haters

[DFresh]

Religion is the downfall of mankind.
More people have died over religion then any conflict in history.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Certainly many wars have been fought with religious belief at the center, however religion is the corner stone to man becoming civilized. The books of religion have done far more to further mankind than to hinder it as you seem to believe. Religeous teachings are the basic foundation blocks of most of our laws in the world. Without religion and the teachings of morality we would be stuck in a far worse and dark place than your view of current society.

[InTheLab]

I think you meant Knowledge is the corner stone to man becoming civilized. Without science, you wouldn't be able to type your views on this site, on any site, or type at all.

Religion offers up no cures for disease, no advances in technology, and is responsible for the worst atrocities throughout man's history.

Even wild animals have the basic understanding of morality. It would exist with or without Religion. It's the reason most animals don't cannibalize their young or hunt prey beyond what is absolutely necessary to survive. All without the aid of Animal Jesus, animals are able to understand the difference between right and wrong...

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@InThelab Knowledge doesn't stop a man from committing henious crimes. If anything it better equips him for such actions. Having Morals reduces these tendencies hence why religion for the most part keeps us civilized.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Science has given man the ability to do many things that we couldn't do without it, I fully agree. Knowledge of science gives us tools, tools to use but science does not teach morality.

You say even animals have a basic understanding of morality. Not eating your own is not morality. That is merely instinctual self preservation.

Morality my friend is accepted moral standards: standards of conduct that are generally accepted as right or proper. Religion gave us all basic sets of standards on how we "should" treat each other. Those sets of standards were used as the baseline for most of our laws and the general consensus on how we should treat each other.

Unfortunately, many interpret laws, religion and even what should be deemed acceptable behavior differently.... and thus where our differences often evolve from.

As for Religion not offering up cures for disease or advances in technology. I am not an expert on the matter so I can't say one way or another if religious efforts ever were directly responsible for a cure. BUT I do know with out a shadow of a doubt that science has contributed far more to the destruction of man than religion has. Weapons wether mechanical, biological...even nuclear are born out of science and have directly impacted human lose of life. Edit: and when I say directly impacted I mean these tools created by science are used to take life. I realize it takes a person to use them.

Religion often has been at the heart of conflicts, but science has enabled both religeous and non-religeous to kill in mass numbers far easier than ever in our history.

[serial00]

There is ignorance , hate , racism , as many other things that people died because of it . basically religion was exist to set this thing right along with other things That God has sent prophets to guide people to it .

inthelap@ God had given you a brain without that there would be no science . God also give you a hand , without it you could not type your view on this site .or any site at all .

[mantisimo]

actually evolution gave me my hands and brain through many many generations of natural selection, religion is there because we needed something or was scared of something hundreds of generations ago.

We then worshipped these 2 things and then over time it became religion.

Darwin was God.

[serial00]

your telling me that this Accuracy , this level of details and function that have been assembled through out your body was the act of coincident ?
really ....
..... until the time comes when you can crate a fly from ( nothingness ) .your argument is invalid.

And religion was there because we were simply ignorance and needed to be guided ,and that life is not meaninglessness . as some guys like him, thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[mantisimo]

Serial00 wrote "your telling me that this Accuracy , this level of details and function that have been assembled through out your body was the act of coincident ?
really .... "

No I'm telling you that over thousands of generations we have developed to become what we are by natural selection this is no coincidence just scientific fact.

No God made anything.

[serial00]

scientific fact ? its just a theory that have many contradiction .
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[josephayal]

Religion BY Definition HAS Nothing TO DO WITH Video Games,
BTW players eat snacks during the game so we Don't Have Time For This

[-IronMan-]

lmao the picture is in the bathroom

[Emilio_Estevez]

That's what makes it offensive.

[Strange]

Religion is a very convenient way to get offended.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I say just make a quick patch and change out the frame. Its an easy enough thing to do and ultimately given the climate of the world today probably the right call. Many will say "what is the big deal?" but the reality... it is more of a big deal than most will understand. I don't want to see this issue escalate on the level of that friggin Youtube video. Our industry doesn't need that kind of heat.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

looks like IW was on the same page as me. Per IW a patch for fix should be in place by next week. Problem solved, everyone can relax and move on.

[AHall88]

Why the hell should Muslims get special treatment? What about the countless times Christians, Jews, and Catholics have been mocked in media? What makes Muslims so special?

[madjedi]

Because usually when one of our(west/europe) religious nutjobs or non religious nutjobs goes on a destruction or killing spree.

They are criminally charged with all theirs offences, assuming the authorities didn't kill them on the spot.

Because we do not tolerate that as a society, enough of middle eastern states religious extremists get the ignorant mobs worked up into a frenzy, over stupid shit.

Take the recent innocence of islam(whatever it's called) movie rioting, that is a percentage of the muslim population that needs to be separated from the civilized world.

Until it can take criticisms, without turning homicidal and want to maim or kill anyone who offends them or their god.

I give a week(if that long) before some candy ass journalist starts asking for a committee to be established, to review games for any religious or racially offensive content.

Now if they had pages of the koran as toilet paper, i could see the offensive or outrage, this not so much.

But i am atheist/agnostic, if you want to put a bible in there to try and piss off christians knock yourself out. Just leave the everything has to be inoffensive and politically correct bs, out of video games.

Ask german or australian gamers how well censorship and gaming work for them.

[WonderboyIII]

freedom is through respect not through being offensive and inconsiderate.If you need to criticize me do that in a respectful way. Dont cricize me to offend me and ridicule me. If you do not like my religion fine, its your choice, but to make fun of me because of that is defintly not accepted in any moral code.

[abzdine]

i wonder how mental old some guys here are.
most of people here should first learn good manners of talking nicely, and they should also know what they are talking about..

Nobody is upset about anything the guy saw something he made a video to express his disappointment why don't you respect his ideology and be open minded like the western society claims to be.
If you think what he did is wrong then discuss slowly in a friendly way about the reason why in order to make you more knowledgable.

Please guys calm down, we're all here for the same reason, talk about games and not insult each other.

[BrianC6234]

Muslims are always complaining about something. Maybe they should be the ones who do what you say. Are you Muslim? It gets tiring reading these same old stories.

[yaz288]

that's exactly it .. he just peacefully made a video addressing his concerns .. just a 2 min video! and the shitty comment are appearing and bitching without reason..

I don't think this the first time I ve seen this kind of thing on n4g .. grew up and lets return and bitch how re6 suck..

[Braid]

Thank you for showing us that there's still some sense left here on N4G.

What most of you people don't understand is that it's a "cultural" matter. While you may think that a picture that's hang on the wall of a toilet with sacred writings on its frame would not offend anybody, that's your way of thinking, your cultural perception and your beliefs making you conclude that it's not harmful at all. On the other hand, it may be inappropriate, or even "forbidden by religion" as staded by the guy in the video, within the framework of a culture that is foreign to you. I was lucky enough to have the chance to study different cultures around the world throughout my graduate education and I clearly saw that you have to be tolerant, empathical and most importantly, push YOUR way of thinking shaped by YOUR cultural norms aside first, if you want to truly understand another culture. Forget about your rights and wrongs, try to understand the other. That's the only way to achieve a mutual understanding between different cultures, and when you do, you'll never think about matters in a single perspective, as you'll gain lots and lots of great things from other cultures. Expand your perspective, people, and do it for your own sake.

If this is an inappropriate action in their culture, you have to respect their way of thinking and try to fix what's caused by a hopefully unintentional circumstance. Nobody can know every cultural/religious ethic and norm, if there's some harm done one way or another, you sincerely try your best to undone it. The guy says that what they want is some respect, and as a human being I believe that every fellow man regardless of their beliefs on Earth deserve some of that civility.

[PopRocks359]

Somehow I had a feeling this would end up on N4G and wind up being a "Let's shit on the Muslims" fest.

Religious groups get upset about these things all the time. It's hardly exclusive to Muslims. Just because defensive gamers love their games so much, their disagreement over this issue apparently gives them a right to insult people for believing a certain faith.

Not everyone is like that, there are some actually constructive counterpoints in a few of these comments. But as usual, ignorance seems to have taken hold of the comment section.

[Tultras]

I think the real question here is; why something like that showed up in the game, it couldn't have been unintentional.

[GameGuy]

Activision didn't want any beef with the Muslim community and they want to continue to get Muslim money so they decided to remove the map. The reason the map got removed is because Actvision is greedy and they are afraid to die.

[supersonicjerry]

Religion. Enough has been said.

[chukamachine]

Picture frame upsets muslim's

B-film made by a nobody upsets muslim's

Go back to living in caves and stay away from the western world. What the hell has a prophet goto do with anything anyway. Nostradamus was a prophet. and nothing he said is correct unless your twist the hell out of it.

I get more upset by the fact that muslims would kill eachother over a silly film, blow people up.

If god existed, he would have shown himself by now, and not to just a select few.

WAKE UP.

[MizTv]

how about GET OVER IT!!!!!! every thing makes them mad, good thing i live in the us and not some third world hellhole with nothing better to do than bitch

[TheObserver]

The religion of permanent offense is always mad about something. Nobody should take them seriously. The more violent jihad they throws, the more people is going to piss them off of purpose.

[taquito]

"The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

-Einstein

[RGB]

They can't be serious right? This is so pathetic, I hate CoD and Activision but seriously? IW doesn't even exist today, it's barely a dev team now. I'd prefer they didn't make this series any more and worked on something ground breaking since they think they're the "best development team in the industry".

FYI, I hate religion and all forms of it. Religion shouldn't have a say in any form of policy or societal matter.

People will claim they deserve the right not to be offended, I'll respond with 'Their religion offends me, so where's my right?!'

Atheist and Anti-theist.

[Vip3r]

For god's sake...

1. I doubt the level designer who put it there knew about it being offensive before hand. To him it was just a random picture being put somewhere in the game.

2. Other religions get insulted far and away more than Islam.

3. Quit nit picking. You'd think he'd be more pissed at the fact the story line of MW2 is about killing fictional Muslim terrorists than a virtual picture above a virtual toilet.

4. How come you guys don't get pissed when other religions are insulted?

5. IW barely patches MW3 let alone MW2. The world will end before that gets fixed.

6. Go care about real world issues.

[bangshi]

Point 5 is incorrect, MW3 has been the most patched COD to date.

Mainly because there was so much wrong with it.

[SAE]

What makes me sad that you people see us as a terrorists , you think muslims bomb them selfs , you see what the media say and believe it and ignore millions of muslim people ...

If islam tell us to bomb our selfs when someone offended us or any other reason you would have been dead or not even born ...

Muslims are peacefull , it is not we who occupy countries , it is not we who steal oil , money and lands .

You cant judge all muslims for what few did to you , the kings / wahabia the ones who do these things , they just pretend they are muslims, we die because of them more then you do , thats why we have revoluions here right now!!

@Above^^
we just want respect from you to our religion , just like how we dont disrespect yours.

[FinaLXiii]

Not exacly because disrepect bursts outta things like this.

the point is not to take it seriously and accept it.

Being offended depends on how you see things and you guys guys see it the ancient way.

[Vip3r]

Honestly, the west doens't see Islam or Muslims as terrorists. Most of the west just views the Middle East as a bit mental at times. Especially when it comes to frivilus things like this.

It's not your religion that "Westerner's" hate, just the way people whine and complain over silly issues.

[FinaLXiii]

Shame on you activision you guys backed off.

[Unlimax]

Your face .. Your mind .. Your avatar , What's the different :] !

[Sketchy_Galore]

So they pulled the map? I assume it was out of respect and horror that their placing of a picture frame in a bathroom might have upset people, right? Totally not because they know that a great number of religious fanatics are willing to take the excuse to riot and murder because somebody who doesn't subscribe to their religion (and is fortunate enough to live in a country in which they don't legally have to pretend to subscribe to their religion on fear of death) said something they disagree with.

Oh and you didn't ask them to take the map down? What did you think was going to happen? Have you seen a single news report over the past decade? You had the choice to realise that this was in no way an intentional insult to your religion and was at worst just another one of the thousands of symptoms of people's ignorance of your god's laws and was no different to women deciding how they want to dress in public or people eating bacon. You had the choice to brush it off and move on but instead you chose to call attention to this completely unintentional act in a way that potentially puts many innocent people at risk. Whether you consider yourself a terrorist or not you're choosing to potentially help stir up more of the insane violence we saw after the Danish cartoons or after Theo Van Gogh's movie rather than simply accepting that those who do not live by the rules of your religion will occasionally do things that strike you as ignorant and offensive. You chose to call attention to something you found offensive to your religion even though you had to know that doing so could potentially lead to real world violence. You're choosing the abstract rules of your religion over the real world well being of other human beings. In that sense you're closer to a fanatic than you should be.

[brandonb21]

they are upset over a picture ? if i were them i would be more upset about the airport scene then the picture used as a decoration

[Soldierone]

Are they going to start rioting and killing people now? lol religion.

Everything is offensive these days. "lets completely ignore the killing, guns, and violence, come over here. see the picture? Yeah its offensive!"

Your mom jokes are offensive, saying "thats gay" is offensive, speaking your mind is offensive. To all the people finding things offensive or "getting upset" about something stupid, TOO BAD! I LAUGH AT YOU! BAHAHAHAHA! I'm enjoying life, while you complain about a painting in a fake world in a game. Or a stupid joke. Or he said, she said crap. Have fun!

[TheDudeLasse]

This so called gamer from the Islamic gaming community demands respect fore their religion, but it is this kind on bullshit hypocracy that is causing people to lose respect for Islam. This type of BS brings humanity down a couple notches in the evolutionary ladder.

[TheDudeLasse]

I feel like taking a massive dump on the toilet featured in the video. One massive semi-diuretic dump.

[Sketchy_Galore]

If this story manages to gain the media attention many of these stories do I do not know if there will be Muslims rioting and killing in the streets but I know one thing. There will be many of them getting an 'oopsy' look on their faces and quietly excusing themselves to go remove the picture frames from their bathroom before anyone sees.

[snake-OO]

I love the hypocrisy on this page.
Some say muslims are terrorists, but I want to ask how many muslim's are really terrorists. It must those that were created by the CIA. Also I would like to ask have muslims killed 1.5 million people in the last 10 years? unlike someone else. Did Iraq have anything to with 9/11?
Some say freedom of speech bullcrap but wait till I say anything about the holocaust and the ADF will be up my backside. Its freedom of speech when someone draws a cartoon or makes a movie but that all goes out of the window when some countries say that muslim women cant wear the hijab.
Some people on here mention Israel as saints but they are the biggest offenders when it comes to human rights.
I wish people on here would do some research before typing on here.

[iistuii]

Give me a break, if I was IW I'd have told em to go play another game. Everyone keeps pandering to these people. Maybe Christians should have rioted when the life of Brian was released. Get a grip...

[snake-OO]

You certainly don't much about the fuss that was caused by the life of brian even before it was released. In many places it remained banned up until 21st century.
When it came out it caused people to protest in uk, in america rabbis and nuns picketed at theaters.

[iistuii]

Your right,there was protests & the odd ban but no scenes were cut, nobody died, like what's been happening over that Innocence of Muslims film. Do not pander to these people, that's all i'm saying.

[TheDudeLasse]

Muslims really need their own version of Monty Python...

[TemplarDante]

The world attacks Christianity, Christians are just suppose to accept it.
When Muslims get insulted, the whole world must feel sorry for them.
I imagine what an uproar it wouldve been had there been a Koran in the toilet! Obama, Mitt Romney, the Pope, Bigfoot and the Grinch would have to apolygise!

[snake-OO]

Have muslims ever made fun of Jesus?
Have muslims ever made fun of moses?
You guys on here don't understand one thing. A few speak up and protest, not the whole muslim populace.
How would you feel if i said all americans are just like gw bush who committed the murder of iraqi people who had nothing to do with 9/11, and also had no WMD'S. But I would not say that because I know not all americans are the same. just like i dont connect all christians to extremist ones. just like i dont include all jews as zionists, or even all zionist are not like benjamin natanyahu.

[iistuii]

"How would you feel if i said all americans are just like gw bush who committed the murder of iraqi people"

I wouldn't give a toss, that's the difference, I don't get upset about shit like that.Seems like alot of people need to chill out....

[TemplarDante]

Your koran has "quotes" from your fake Issa (the koran written 600 years after the crucifiction) saying Jesus was not the Son Of God, that Mohammad is a true Prophet.That Christians and Jews must be killed.
Please, before being a blind puppet of Mohamads bitterness, read what your holy book says.

[snake-OO]

@instuii
I was fine when people on here were just referring the issue at hand with cod2. I didnt say nothing about that but when all muslims start getting accused of things they havent done, it can get upsetting. you may be able to say i don't care what anyone say's but you gotta remember not everyone can be like you.
just like on this page if people didnt care they wouldnt have bothered commenting like your self.

[snake-OO]

"That Christians and Jews must be killed"
Really????? let me guess did you get that from a christian site?
and please don't quote the quran out of context, because i could do just the same with bible but im not going to do that because i don't want be someone like you. i have many christian friends who are a 100 times better than you.

[Vladplaya]

Well I guess the only choice now, is to hunt down the employee who did that, cut off his head and kill his family. The Muslim style!

[MRHARDON]

While they do that, they will have a towel on their head so they can not be seen.

[kingjosh1876]

So they are worried about their prophet being represented wrongly, and yet they see nothing wrong with a game about war and killing people?

[RedSoakedSponge]

if youre comfortable being in a religion, why be insulted about something so petty?

[Kos-Mos]

My opinion is that countries with less wealth will always feel more insulted and offended in every way. This is just the human nature, but how do we teach people to not get easily insulted and offended? Where`s the limit of how much you can offend and insult other people`s believes?
We should always take care off the less wealthy ones I think.

Ps: Long live Freedom of Speech. Just don`t use it when you attack someone who can`t defend themselves.

[Unlimax]

The whole world hates me just because i'm muslim ~

Am i Surprised ?

No :)

[TheDudeLasse]

You guys just need a good PR Agency.

[kassler]

That is why islam and democracy doesn't match.

[EdoubleD]

Apparently, it very well could. It's just you have people in Islam like the equivalent to West Borough Church. They obviously don't fit in either. So, there a sects who don't match with democracy. :/

[dorron]

Once again it comes to show religion and evolution are opposed. This is like living 1000 years ago. I don't mean to be rude but if they feel upset just don't buy or play the game and leave the rest of the world alone. That's it.

[Relientk77]

Seriously? That's what they are upset about? Really how did they even find this lol, its just a little picture

I played Modern Warfare 2, never saw this picture. Probably 99% of the people who played this game never saw this picture.

[blue_cheese]

"religion is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

[BIGTAMR]

Resistance upset christans because of the church, hitman because of the sikh temple. This isn't new in gaming stop making it a big thing cos it's muslims

[Wolf873]

Why not just be respectful and avoid the hassle...
besides having something holy in a toilet is disrespectful no matter what the religion.

[EdoubleD]

It may be, but it is a digital toilet. Not something that really is there, it's a bunch of fucking pixels.

[bub16]

go ahead boycott cod. if ur still playing MW2 i guess u picked it up second hand anyway

[CYBERHATER]

"Why so serious?"

[USMC_POLICE]

First of all it's your problem not ours. This is the USA 1st amendment freedom of speech,press,religion. Anytime something bad is said about islam or about the muslim community they all cry and act like 5 year old's. Hey they said something bad about allah lets go blow stuff up and kill people, but yet muslim's want us to believe they are peace full. People say they hate my god or way of life do I go cry about it? no because I can act like an adult. The whole muslim culture needs to man up

[Dms2012]

Maybe a "National Hug a Muslim" day would calm things down?

[garibubuprincess]

I'm placing a jihad on the fictional character who put that fictional picture frame with the fictional words praising Allah. Not cool, fictional character.

[withoutgods]

is it me or do these so called gods always want simple flesh and bone mortals to fight for them and get upset for them,i mean you are all powerful God or Gods why you do you need man to take actions on your behalf?same with the god of the bible killing man women children some while still in their mothers womb and then says he loves you!!WTF?? the real GOD CAN NEVER AND WILL NEVER DO THAT CAUSE EVIL IS NOT IN HIM!!WHERE WAS THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WHEN 6 MILLION JEWS WERE KILLED??HE DOES NOT EXIST, NOW I AM NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NO GOD JUST THAT ONE IN THE BIBLE IS NOT HIM SAME FOR THE ONE IN THE KORAN OR ANY RELIGION FOR THAT MATTER,god is the universe thats who created us think about it,do you really think a the creation really cares about this type of crap? the religions bible says that god says vengeance is mine so why people take up on themselves to fight gods wars for him>? i just dont get!!

[Mister_G]

I would comment on this item but I don't want to offend anyone so I won't :-\

[withoutgods]

go ahead comment is not like their GOD IS GONNA COME SMACK YOU ON THE HEAD OR ANYTHING..BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST!!!!!!

[EdoubleD]

Ugh, dude I admit I am Muslim too, the movie that recently came out doesn't bother me, the french drawings don't. I wanted to keep away from these series of 'offending' news. But it had to follow me all the way to gaming, if I had the chance I would tell every Muslim complaining to simply shut the fuck up! You know it gives me a headache. Please don't take it in as something whole or generalize anyone, really hoping this is just a small percentage.

Still find it very frustating how people get killed over a movie, shit. It has to follow suit onto games now? Come on people.

[Ace_Man_6]

*Sigh*

[i8urCAKE]

muslim gay

[0pie]

i rage so much after watching this video. seriously, who care about muslim gamers?
Its sad that activision decided to change this little thing.

[Dunpeal]

always something in the news about these butthurts being offended by something or other

[Blacklash93]

If these were just civil complaints and not threats, I can't really say anything negative about the people who voiced them. Unless things get nasty this is purely Activision's choice to edit the map.

I was going to make a mini-rant about how Muslim's are unfairly stereotyped and generalized into villains based off their selfish leadership and relatively small sects of violent puritans, but I don't want to add more to this fire of senseless ranting.

[LordAtrocity]

Either everything is okay or none of it is, to every religious person that gets offended, anyone at all. If you choose to play certain games, like COD, that includes violence in their game, and then demand that something should be pulled I disagree. I disagree with the protests against the Church in Resistance and I disagree with this now. This is a game, which if you choose to pick up, then are faced with the consequences, of any such content which you deem offensive in this game, then you should not have picked it up. I don't care if you enjoy it for the multiplayer or the story, you are playing something that, probably offends multiple people, so what makes you so special that your offense should be pulled, but not others. Trust me if they pull anything from a game they should pull everything. No one should play the game, because its not fair. We shouldn't live in a savage hypocrisy. Someone, somewhere is probably going to be offended at something you do or part take in. So you know what anyone that is offended by anything whether it be this or Resistance church level, you are offending me.

[SephirothX21]

There is no evidence to suggest that this was done intentionally. As such, this video just makes more fun of the Muslim community than the picture. I am an atheist and although people can choose to believe in whatever fairy tales they like or in whoever they like, Mohammed, Jesus or the Boogeyman, it is not wise to believe in things that there is no evidence to support. Though they would probably be better off educating themselves by putting down their "holy" scriptures and picking up a science book and reading it. Remember, science flies you to the moon while religion flies you into buildings.

[Bobertt]

This is just stupid, i don't hate muslims but they have problems with everything. Its a picture frame in a game that is 3 years old. No one even noticed it until now. If they have a problem with it don't play it.
I hate how everyone tries to cater to their whims. Not even talking about religion, 3 years after this game came out some random person finds this and posts it on hte internet and they read it on the computer and are all pissed off about its hurting their religion. And a few days later Activision goes and fixes it! How long have gamers who actually will play the game and actually have the game been asking for fixes in their games and Activision ignores them. It's the same as big companies affecting decisions in the Government. They shouldn't have any say in it, the people are supposed to have the say in it. Same here the gamers should have a say in it not a group of individuals that make up a small percentage.
Just recently with the youtube video about their prophet they went crazy and started rioting. I know some of it has to do with terrorist instigating the riots but its still up to the people who riot. Im certain the majority of them never even saw the video and its mostly what they heard. Thats the same as beating up someone because you heard someone say he was talking shit about you. Then one of the people in the Pakistan government was telling the USA that they demand they make a law against Blaspheming! So its not just the people in the country acting stupid its the government too. They can't demand you speak differently because they get butt hurt about everything. On youtube they say if you don't like a video just don't watch it. Same goes for them, if they don't like it stay away from it. You can't force the world to change for you, you either adapt or live in isolation.
I know i probably had a bunch of spelling mistakes but it just pisses me off. I don't hate all muslims and i know all of them aren't like that but seeing the scale of rioting going on, i would say at least half are. Im fine with them practicing their religion but they don't respect boundaries. If they want to make a law against blaspheming fine but keep it in your country and don't push it on others. Also the ones in USA need to realize they are in another country. If they are in their mosque they can do what ever they want thats a religious place. If they own a house it's theirs to do what they like as long as it doesn't intrude somehow onto other's property. But in apartment buildings where they share the space and do not own the land they should be considerate of their surroundings. They live like they are back in the desert. I live in an area with A LOT of muslims so im not just talking out of my ass. My friend lives in something like a boarding house. Where multiple people live there but share bathrooms and kitchens. Some muslim people moved in recently and they act like they own the place. Everyone is supposed to share the two stoves and tables in the kitchen. When they cook they use both stoves, lay out all their food on any available space and don't clean up. They leave their dishes right on the table, they don't keep it int their room. So when someone else comes to cook they have to move the dishes and clean all the stuff of the stove. And the bathrooms, Omg.They don't use toilet paper! They use a bowl of water to wash their ass! And the worst part is they don't even wipe up the water that falls onto the seat! This is a shared bathroom,not a private bathroom where you can do whatever you like. Since they arrived a bunch or roaches came! When in rome do as the romans. I don't get why they act like that, one of my best friends are muslim and his place is nice and clean. But most of them choose to live like they were back hom

[Drainage]

hopefully all devs put the same picture frame into every toilet from now on

[Coke-a-Cola]

Not this again ........

[AO1JMM]

If he finds that offensive he needs to clean out his vagina!

Seriously what is up with Muslims? Why are they (see the word "some" NOT all) so damn sensitive?

LMAO! @ the comments being disabled on the video. You should see the comments on his page. I bet he did it strictly for the hits on his videos.

[Darkspade]

All religions are a joke.. religion are 90% of the Worlds Problems.. religion's are the Biggest Gangs on the Planet...

I believe you have to have hope to get through the day and if you look to a god or a Cow is up to you.. But I Wish People would just keep there Beliefs to them self's

[SandwichHammock]

There are quite a number of Fox News fans here I see.

The hypocrisy and low brow mindedness is just staggering.

[Nephesh]

Wow, You are so spineless Infinity Ward! You'll do this for a hate filled religion, but don't care about it if someone has a problem with you using God's name in a blasphemous way in your games. Hypocrites!!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Imagine if Christians killed people every time someone mocked their faith.

Imagine if Jews went crazy every time someone attacked them.

There is a BIG problem with Islam and people should not be afraid to speak the truth about this situation.

[Ser]

Agreed. And the funny part is that Christianity is mocked far more often than Islam.

These guys are angry and protesting over the smallest of things. It's becoming annoying. Shut up and take your big spoon of mockery like everyone else. You're not special.

[Gamerita]

there is no problem with islam or muslims what so ever, the thing is muslims follow their religion & fully respect it,they respect all prophets (inc jesus peace be upon him) & the word of god (holy quran) while others dont give a damn or even have a religion. the likes of those who live for today while muslims live for today & most importantly for the hereafter.(judgement day). game on buddy

[AO1JMM]

@Gamerita,

There is a whole lot of WRONG when it comes to Islam and Muslims. Do you think it is ok that they make death threats to someone for drawing a cartoon of Mohammad? Do you think it is ok to murder innocent people because someone burned a Qur'an? Do you think it is ok to murder people because someone made a stupid movie?

I think you need to open your eyes to the world around you my friend.

I do not have to respect any religion and I can openly express my opinion about said religion if I so choose to. If somebody insulted something I believe I am mature and adult enough to accept that opinion but disagree with it as well.

I DO NOT MAKE DEATH THREATS OR ACTUALLY COMMIT MURDER BECAUSE OF SOMEONE INSULTS MY SO-CALLED RELIGION!!!

/RANT

Not all Muslims are terrorist or murdered so do not assume I believe that they are. But in my experience they are not exactly the most tolerant of people. Then again who is by most of the comments in here.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Gamerita, I want to believe in peaceful Muslims, I really do. However I have read the Islamic holy books (Hadith, Sira, Quran) and I can find quotes from their scripture that is driving this behavior.

Religion is a very disheartening subject. That's all I will say. And most people don't look very closely at their own faith, for fear of what they might find. For most people religion is just a placebo and they don't really know what is written in their own holy books.

All I can say is that actions speak louder than words... And the actions of the Islamic faith throughout history have been anything but peaceful.

[YoungKingDoran]

Quick grandma! Take the picture of Jesus down from behind the toilet door... the Christians are coming! /s

[Yomaster]

So an ominous, meaningless picture frame in a video game isn't as insulting as the thousands of photos of Muslims on the internet stomping on and burning American flags? That's not even the WORST of it.

Bullshit.

[Gigglefist]

Some people just want to watch the world burn.
AKA: People like to bitch and moan

[mcbrid55]

I cannot believe half of the comments in this post. No where does it say that the Islamic gaming community is rioting or anything like that. All they said was they wanted the picture removed from the map. It would take two seconds to take it out so what is the big deal?

Islam is still a relatively new religion compared to others. Christianity had times that brought the whole world to war over religion. You know if there was a picture of Jesus, Buuddha, Shiva or other gods doing something as insulting there would be a ton of groups that would ask for the same treatment if not more.

Someone put that picture in that situation because they knew it would offend someone. That's what makes it offensive. It wasn't put there for shock value or anything, someone particularly hated the religion and wanted to show it harm.

Have some empathy...

[smallz]

As a Christian I’m very upset that my lord and savior Jesus Christ is often depicted hanging from two sticks with nails through his hands and feet.

Further more I think The Onion said it best.

http://www.theonion.com/art...

[glennco]

my condolences

[Der_Kommandant]

Ohhhhh c'mon!!!!!!

[Gamerita]

anyway way did this guy had to make a video about it ?? couldn't he just write a letter to infinity ward asking them to have a look at the error ?? doesn't he realize that he is attracting the attention of haters & sinners ? seriously some people just need to think their actions through.

peace all. islam is wonderful & that's why muslims are awesome. ;) i love u i really do :)

@ the guy below me ( ChunkyLover53 )

i like it when you said (if you believe in god do you really think he wants you to kill in his name)) do you know that in the last 10 years at least 2 million muslims have been killed in these wars against terrorism ? believe it or not muslims are the victims & they continue to get killed everyday in iraq,afghanistan & various other countries but no one gives a damn. do you think jesus likes people to kill these millions in his name ?

[ChunkyLover53]

I get upset when they burn my flag, kill American Ambassadors, crash planes and do various other terrorist activities.

Honestly, they should be more offended that the game depicts Muslims in a negative light and you go around killing them.

The funny part is, if you believe in God, do you really think he wants you to kill in his name and cause all the problems that religion causes? Most certainly not.

[braydox21]

if there is a god it would be gaming
- gaming can create entire worlds and create people and life.

- natrual disasters and changes of the earth are caused by mod.

- evoloution is a series of patches made by gaming that slowly make things better, ( a certain owl has eyes that cannot move at all so a patch was made so that that owl can move its neck just about anywhere)

gaming is creation it is the realist thing we have to a god that and google who is always there for us and can awlays give answers to our questions, although sometimes google isn't there for us or sometime people are different and believe in bing or yahoo or ask jeeves each to their i guess.

[urwifeminder]

Disgusting comments on here there are a holes of every faith, colour and creed.

[glennco]

there are more holes than substance in religion

[RurouniKaze]

In the eyes of the Muslim , the toilet facilities are a very dirty place both physically and spiritually. Muslims tend to take SPECIAL PPECAUTION with anything dealing with the toilets. They even have their toilets face perpendicular to the direction in which they pray.

Hanging a picture with the word 'Allah' in it in such a place is very veryyy offsensive to muslims.

It is not a case where theyre nitpicking @ all. Please dont be that shallow. Generally the media targets muslims in a negative manner, and this is just another such case.

[jnhinsd]

So true! They really should use toilet paper instead of their left hand though.

[braydox21]

im sure their concern is understandable but this is a game where it is fictional i respect that they are bringing their concerns to light but from what i know this toilet is not a muslim toilet and that bathroom is simply based on a more western version of a toilet. yes the toilet is a very disgusting place but it is a necessity. a painting or picture in a toilet/ bathroom is not a foreign concept in the west its to make up for more empty wall space. i know that not all muslims are extremists but they do have issues they need to work on. they should not be able to decide just because something offends them they have to remove it or censor it or cater to their whims. we are all equals there is no reason as to why special treatment or status to you or anyone else. you guys tend to overeact and act very somewhat childish. i know in australia there are some people in australia that also have issues such a guy that was anti-burka enforcing beliefs on others. that and all the boat people nonsense as well as crap about people coming over and stealing jobs as well as a bunch of other things.

[Ogygian]

Their moving of said portrait offends me. Why can't religious people just crawl into a pit and live in philosophical chains together.
Us secular humanists deserve better.

[TalesFromTheBud]

Ugh that video is more annoying than the initial article. Must suck to be a muslim if that can upset you. Need to toughen up a bit I'd say. Not everyone is going to respect your religion or your god, and that applies to everyone.

[glennco]

i don't respect any religion

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

it's almost a cheap tactic at publicity, it's that shock factor... that most likely will get coverage by the news or something!

I actually used to get annoyed when GTA3 came out and stuff... that they seemed to purposely do riskay things just to get publicity!

at least that's how I felt!

[USMC_POLICE]

In MW2 there was the level were the WHITE HOUSE was blown up by russians, we should cry about it and demand it be taken out or we will declare a holy war on people. And you dont see the russians crying about being the bad guys in the game or north korea suicide bombing us because they were the bad guys in HOMEFRONT. Wow north korea is more civil than muslims never thought that would happen

[riseabove247]

What doesn't offend Muslims? Get over it!

[darkdevil]

Yes we upset to see name of God (Allah ) on bathroom? What is the problem?

-a guy will kill someone because a Match in football, and you guys think we have problem with that, Its our right to ask that. Like any players will ask to change from Activsion or any company

[revengemadmax]

do football supporters often rape each other also for two year old videos?

‘The U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).’ The sources said that ‘Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder.’
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/33...

peace and loving religion?

[devilhunterx]

Think of the Abrahamic religions like a movie series.

The Torah is the first one; the New Testament is the sequel. Then, the Qu'ran comes out, and it retcons the last one like it never happened. There's still Jesus, but he's not the main character any more, and the messiah hasn't shown up yet.

Jews like the first movie, but ignore the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesn't count. Muslims think the third one was the best.

Mormons like the second one so much, they started writing fan fiction that doesn't fit with any of the series canon.

[Sketchy_Galore]

So you're saying Jesus is Han Solo and Muhammad was an Ewok?.....yeeeesh. I'm not saying I disagree but you've got some guts saying things like that. I'm pretty sure those are the exact remarks that got Rushdie in trouble.

[revengemadmax]

Muslims dont like the video that pointed and laughed at their religion so you know what they do?

kill and rape people. the american ambassador was raped!! and killed by extreme muslims cuz they found the video to be offensive?

also that video is over two years old but since when did muslims need reasons to rape and kill anyone that dousnt convert to there peaceful and loving religion?

quote for win

‘The U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).’ The sources said that ‘Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder.’
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/33...

[telgou]

lol the christians,jews and atheists are more buthurts than muslims in this topic xD

[Sketchy_Galore]

Nah, it just looks that way because most members of those first three groups respond with words when something offends them.

[Ser]

Sketchy_Galore summed it up PERFECTLY. No one's rioting in the streets and burning places down. lol

[CrazyRap]

People still commenting on this?
lol move on people.

[BlitzAK]

I'm part of this religion and to be honest, I don't see a big deal. Nothing offensive. Just some textures for a picture frame.

But what is saddening is the amount of hate going around. To hate a game is one thing, but to spout out comments of hate about peoples lives is another.

[rjgbyrne]

The comments of hate are being spouted out by both sides... The reasons being that everyone is sick and tired of being held responsible for silly things such as textures in a video game, dress code or movies made by amateurs looking for their two minutes of fame. I am non-practicing catholic veering more towards atheism because of the simple fact that religion is proving to be more destructive world wide than anything else.

I am sure I speak on behalf of most of the western world when I say I am discussed at hostage movies from the Middle East aired on Al Jazeera, tired of listening to broadcasts from terrorist leaders 'happy' for events like Sept 11, Lockerbee bombings or even my own countries IRA squabbles over British Rule but come on, cop on to yourselves... There is no other way to dress up angry bigoted hate, but as HATE.

If Catholics took their lives anyway as serious we would have no horror movies, no religious comedies or even the very satirical Father Ted which is the apple of most Irish People's eyes who see it as a laugh, a genuine funny show that points fun at the silliness of putting religious humans on a pedestal, when the message from all religions should be to be good to each other, accept each others differences and feck's sake... Have a long and happy laugh at life with each other no matter how different we all seem, we are the exact same underneath.

[BlitzAK]

I see your point.

But one thing I can say is, that I am not going to get involved with this. I hate extremism of whatever it is, be that Christian, Jewish, Aitheist and Islamic (I despise Islamic extremists, nothing but act on pure hatred and betray those who believe in that faith causing nothing but havoc to them.)

I tolerate and respect all faiths and opinions. What it comes down to is their actions, that is what should be judged regardless of who they are, where they came from, what faith they follow.

[faraany33k]

Who is more offended now lol.

If most of you dont care about religion. Then why it bothers you that Activision just removed the images disrespectful to a religion.

Your freedom of Speech ends, where you are hurting my feelings.

[madjedi]

@far TFT No wonder twilight is so popular to tweens.

"If most of you dont care about religion. Then why it bothers you that Activision just removed the images disrespectful to a religion."

"Your freedom of Speech ends, where you are hurting my feelings." <-- total loser.

Who gives a shit about your feelings, don't dictate to others what they can or cannot say, unlike the politically correct cowards that mentality pisses alot people off.

We will speak our mind regardless of whether or not it offends people, especially when they tell us otherwise.

[faraany33k]

Your mother is such a slut.

[AllroundGamer]

wow the muslim fanatics have really too much free time...

[Rhythmattic]

The concept of Religion annoys atheists like me....
What are you religious people gonna do about it? Nothing, right?

I just ignore your fantasy's , just as all creationist's ignore Darwinism...

Get the hell over it... Opps, I mean Get over it...

[GAMExxOVER]

How cool is it to be a Muslim playing a westerner shooting up muslims?

[Toolster]

It's doesn't bother me than they are upset over a picture frame with a quote on that's hanging in a toilet, if it offends their religion then fair enough remove it change the frame or what ever, but lets be 100% Clear it was never done deliberately..
What bother me and what gives Muslims a bad name is instantly you're talking about consequences if its not removed and apologise posted everywhere, maybe if you didn't always deal in absolutes Muslims would have such a bad name

[jambola]

hahaha
i doubt they'll apologies or see this video
is the map actually removed?
besides 1 he's just talking for the whole islam community

[Candy1]

Compensation is due lost quaint maps if we are to put up with this becoming a common trend.

[andshesays]

Muhammed isn't real anyway so why does it matter so much?

Muslim < Religions's Retarded Brother

[x5exotic]

That's cool, muslims are having the last lul atm when they killed embassador whats his name xD

[BlaqMagiq24]

Wow this game is three years old And NOW someone's pointing this out? Looks more like a guy trying to get free hits.

[AllroundGamer]

well it took them three years to find something against muslims :D they probably have special units, that check every detail in every game and movie :)

[yaz288]

the short version of the shit going on here:

90%
"I hate religion.."

70%
trying pathetically to make a joke about this..

50%
just disagreeing with any shit they don't like .. comments that ignite hate and racism somehow gets allot of agrees and bubbles. and the peaceful ones get all the hate .. nice going guys

and whats the fuss all about? just some guy posting 2 min video in a peaceful matter , no bombing, no killing.. asking for clarification, and what do you get? a storm of blind angry haters