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Ex-PlayStation Spokesman: ‘You Have To Question The Priorities Of The Company As A Whole’

An ex-Sony PR representative has slammed his former company following a recent round of layoffs that left him out of work late last week.

NewMonday4224d ago

"Sony in general is serving too many masters. Each company should operate autonomously. PlayStation shouldn't suffer b/c TVs are overpriced"

true about TVs they are the division that is costing Sony and encumbering them, but they persist because of the legacy

Pushagree4224d ago

I'm sure a guy that just got laid off will have truthful, unbiased, and non-spiteful things to say about the company that just laid them off.

black9114224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

Why Because They Let You Go lol.

HammadTheBeast4224d ago

He can say goodbye to future jobs in gaming then. And he shouldn't even be this mad, considering he basically "won" the job through Sony's the Tester show.

Dms20124224d ago

Doesn't mean these criticisms don't have at least a bit of truth to them.

NewMonday4224d ago

the PS3 PR was not working, and a big reason for good 1st party games not selling, so don't blame Sony for changing things, perhaps outsourcing to professionals will turn things around.

smashcrashbash4224d ago

Very true. People are always ready to believe that someone laid off by a company will have an unbiased view of them. No one ever thinks you can just be spiteful and venting your frustration.

pixelsword4224d ago

I didn't even know he was a spokesman.

Good job, complaining guy.

Sarcasm4224d ago

He's probably bitter that he went through all that crap to be the "tester" and then got laid off for probably being useless.

Now that he's blasted Sony with these tweets, good luck getting another job at any other company.

darthv724224d ago

Companies do this all the time. It's called trimming the fat. While it isnt always good to hear about those who lose their jobs, it isnt always the most deserving that are victims either.

Meaning the ones companies let go are ones that (in their view) do not offer as much to benefit the company as those who get to stay.

Plus this guy was winner of the tester...WTF. did he think something permanent would come from that? Like he would become president of Sony one day because he won the tester?

Rather than bad mouthing the company you would have to list as your previous employer (yeah good luck getting good word of reference) he should lick his wounds and get back out there.

pixelsword4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

Trimming the fat.

Yeah, I'd say that's true.

also, there's an old saying:

Don't kick your old boss' nuts in front of your new boss.

That guy pretty much burnt his bridge mid-crossing.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4224d ago

Clicks link.

"An ex-Sony PR representative has slammed his former company following a recent round of layoffs that left him out of work late last week. "

Stops reading after...

GrandTheftZamboni4224d ago

"What the point of AdHoc multiplayer when no one has a Vita?"

Even if no one has the Vita, he should know that functionality has to be planned before the device is available for people to buy it...

Maybe he was laid off because his perception of time didn't fit the tasks he was assigned to?

UnwanteDreamz4224d ago

He should let it go n move on. He won the job in a contest. Prespective is needed

3-4-54224d ago

He also knows what goes on, on the inside...we don't.

yesmynameissumo4224d ago

@3-4-5
The hell he does. He was a PR generalist. Not a VP or Executive.

jadenkorri4223d ago

1 thing you should never do, slam your previous employment, def understand the reasons, but your next employer might not like that.

Karum4223d ago

Regardless of any bitterness or anger at being laid off there's really nothing he said in there that isn't true.

Sony have been rightfully criticized over their PR and marketing since the announcement of the PS3 and whilst it has gotten slightly better it still sucks.

@HammadTheOne - seriously? You think he shouldn't be mad at losing his job because of the means by which he got it? How is winning a contest any different than competing against other applicants for any regular job? Both involve competing against other people, the only difference is in the tasks and possibly the criteria.

Absolutely unbelievable comment.

DragonKnight4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

You know it's funny. This guy says that the unity of the company is causing a problem because one division can bring down the other divisions. Why don't we go back to 2006/2007 when the problem was that the divisions were autonomous to the point where there was massive communications problems across divisions. The heads of the various departments, especially where PS3 development were concerned, didn't work together and this was the cause of a lot of problems that PS3 had at launch.

This guy is pretty stupid.

@Karum: "How is winning a contest any different than competing against other applicants for any regular job?"

One is based on actual real-world experience, knowledge of the job, and skills to do the job. The other is tasks done for ratings and requires nothing more than that.

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cee7734224d ago

they also continue to manufacture in japan because the legacy if sony sourced manufacturing to china they would save a bundle on just that alone its a lose lose for workers either way tho

Soldierone4224d ago

They move to China, then why bother buying their TV's? They get parts made there, but its all handled in Japan. Which means a higher quality overall product. Everything else is made with crap labor and parts from China, and Sony is all about "we are better quality." If their TV's suddenly became crummy China pieces of junk, why bother?

Plus being a Japanese company and actually making your product in Japan warrants some respect. How many "American companies" are fully made in China? Apple anyone? I think Japan is smart enough to cut Sony breaks and keep them there unlike our country (America).

CalvinKlein4224d ago

sorry bro, my ps3 clearly says MADE IN CHINA on it. so does vita

RememberThe3574224d ago

Haha what are you talking about? They make most of their products in China.

Kurylo3d4224d ago

u and your comment just got owned.

pixelsword4224d ago

Sony and Microsoft are both made in china; not just Microsoft, cee773.

Lots of stuff is made in China.

My comments are often outsourced to various countries depending on the comment market.

baodeus4224d ago

I guess Soldierone gonna skip PS4 then...one thing is true though that I is really hard to find a product that aren't made in china :(

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subtenko4224d ago

Im trying to figure out how 'mad' he is. He seemed to love what he was getting into, and liked Sony, now because this happened he ranted. I'm just wondering if he's pissed of more and what this guy wants to do. Just wondering..

Also, this must be why there is not Tester Season 4 right now because usually they would have had the tryouts and stuff right about now.

ZombieKiller4224d ago

I actually had alot of bad things to say about my company when I was fired too....

Jazz41084224d ago

I have seen ex ms people complain about ms and you guys eat that up. Is it because they attacked precious $ony?

Jockamo4223d ago

Isn't there some sort of confidentiality agreement that he's breaking?

MariaHelFutura4224d ago

Who hasn't lost touch w/ their audience?

TheTwelve4224d ago

The man is young and, you never know, he might be able to work for Sony again.

But he'll blow any chances he has by trashing them right now.

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ChrisW4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

What?!? LBP Karting is going to die because of no PR?
Oh well... back to Mario Kart.

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ALLWRONG4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

Nice spin for people losing their jobs, way to go. I'm sure if you lost your jobs you would say the same thing... right?

"You have to wonder what the hell PlayStation was thinking laying off more than half of their software PR team going into the holiday season,"

That's a lot of people without jobs. But hey good for Sony though huh?

geddesmond4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

Obviously hes mad but really lets face facts, Sonys PR have sucked this generation. A bunch of fools that don't know what the community want. We hear time and time again from publishers that its the PR team in charge of marketing yet huge billboards in films like Battle los angeles for Resistance 3 that appear in the film for 10 seconds in a film that hit cinemas months before the game released are crappy marketing ideas that are just wastes of money.

Lets not advertise our game on TV but instead we'll paint a truck with the game logos and have it drive all around the place blah. Understaffed lol Sony just got rid of yous to higher better PR people dummy and you know what it happened way too late. They should have fired everyone 4 years ago.

Don't even get me started on those crappy TV ads with the annoying voice overs

neogeo4223d ago

The Tv's are not over priced. when compared to samsung they are ALWAYS the same price or cheaper and have better picture. Please actually do you homework before a quick reply. I have been selling TV's for 3 years now and I know what I'm talking about.

RumbleFish4223d ago

I don't know where you live but in germany and switzerland SONY's TVs are not more expensive than Samsung's and imo they are at least better designed if not better quality overall.

Christopher4223d ago

I'm surprised that some of this is new. Haven't we been saying for years that Sony needs to vastly improve their marketing and realign their focus on the PS3 and PSP/PS Vita?

LUKENBACHER4222d ago

@HammadTheOne

Just to clarify, the prize for winning The Tester was a QA contract. He worked his way up to the PR department afterwards, and PlayStation could have let him go once the QA gig was completed.

But I do somewhat agree with you on the public rant after his termination. I am a fan of Will, but I would have found a more constructive approach to sharing my concerns if I were him. The packaging on the delivery of his points came across sort of bitter. If concern was his only beef, I would like to think it would have been handled a bit differently.

Jason_Tanner4220d ago

Wrong. Check out their movie division. All released within the last two years or so have been terrible. Season of the Witch? Legion? And so many more...

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PirateThom4224d ago

"In typical fashion they're sending titles out to die"

Yes, because the PR teams did such a fantastic job with [insert PS3/Vita software/hardware] over the past few years...

Understaffed or not, it wasn't working and that sucks for the people and I feel for them, I really do, but it's not like you can just keep a functioning department when they aren't helping the games reach the numbers most of them deserve, should the developers take the hit instead?

LinLeigh4224d ago

I remember when a new PS commercial coming out was something to look forward to. Now I can't even remember a commercial for the PS3.

irepbtown4224d ago

The last memorable advert (s) from PS was Kevin Butler's 2010 streak. I loved the GT5 ones, they were top notch.

Ben_Grimm4224d ago

You don't remember all those Kevin Butler commercials?

My what short memories we have.

pixelsword4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

The KB ones were great; I just hope they don't go back to those "Walrus drinking a statue made out of nipples while two men paint each other with redwood trees while sniffing cat booty" type of commercials where you don't know what the heck is going on.

LinLeigh4223d ago

I have never seen a Kevin Butler commercial because they aren't aired in my country.

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Xof4224d ago

Sorry, but the PS3 had plenty of great PR. And the Vita, well, can you really blame Sony for not advertising the Vita too much? A five-month period of almost no support is very hard to put a positive spin on, fanboys be damned.

Soldierone4224d ago

What PR? lol....most smaller sites can't even talk to Sony, let alone review and help hype up a game. There is no advertising for anything anywhere. I don't care if Vita has no games, it has games coming up and I STILL don't see ads. I see Nintendo and MS ads EVERYWHERE, but nothing for Vita?

They used to advertise during sports games, in sports games, have events all over (The PlayStation truck used to be huge), demos and hype going into everything, and then it all died. I can't even remember the last time I saw a PlayStation ad outside of a gaming magazine or website.....Even Madden ads have the 360 logo at the end.....

gatormatt804224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

I guess you haven't seen the Madden ads with Paul Rudd and Ray Lewis then. I've seen the PS logo at the end of some of those.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

baodeus4224d ago

But i thought u guys don't want to see ads and and sony is doing just what u ask for no? U should be happy.

Sev4224d ago

The majority of the people here don't really understand what PR is and what it's used for.

Don't mistake it for advertising.

Sony let go some of their very best in PR. It's a damn shame to see these extremely loyal people out of a job. And truthfully, it's going to make my job more difficult in covering their products.

xyxzor4224d ago

Any idea who got canned?

Sev4224d ago

I do, but I'm not comfortable discussing who. I hate to see good people out of jobs and losing their livelihood, especially when they were great at their jobs.

GribbleGrunger4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

Sev, you are unhappy that someone got laid off that gave you information they shouldn't have? mmmmm...

Perhaps we'll get more surprises in the future.

pixelsword4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

Well, all we can do is hope for the best.

xyxzor4224d ago

Of course, if you don't mind PMing me that would be great. I would hate to email someone who doesn't have a job anymore.

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ChunkyLover534224d ago

I'm sure we'll hear "sour grapes" and a lot of excuses, but when there is a former Nintendo or Microsoft employee that rants about their former employer this place goes nuts with agreement.

Remember how that ex-Rare employee said Microsoft wouldn't let them do Killer Instinct 3? Same deal.

Interesting to see how people react to this obviously critical news. I've always said Sony lacked proper PR and advertising.

LostDjinn4224d ago

"I'm sure we'll hear "sour grapes" and a lot of excuses, but when there is a former Nintendo or Microsoft employee that rants about their former employer this place goes nuts with agreement.

Remember how that ex-Rare employee said Microsoft wouldn't let them do Killer Instinct 3? Same deal.

Interesting to see how people react to this obviously critical news. I've always said Sony lacked proper PR and advertising."

I'm confused. What hasn't Sony let the PR department do? You use MS and rare as an example but I can't see how they're the same thing.

Truth of the matter is that this guy got fired and now he's venting. To deny that given his tweets shows you're looking to leverage this event to further your own agenda.

Seriously Chunky, show me a company that will support an under performing department by leaving it to stagnate. Any company will do.

iamnsuperman4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

I agree this guy is venting after essentially being fired which I really do not understand because who is going to hire this guy after this.

Sony's PR department has been quite frankly crap. Now I do not know if it is down to company resource allocation or the individuals (who got laid off)but it needed a shake up.

andibandit4224d ago

Venting or not, the guy is spot on in everything he said

cee7734224d ago

I had no idea that rare a microsoft developer is the same as a sony PR Team /s

Knushwood Butt4224d ago

This has nothing to do with MS, but if you want to know about the majority of the 360 team that got laid off in Japan a few years ago, just let me know!

Outside_ofthe_Box4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

I just knew a response like this was going appear and I'm not surprise that you of all people made the comment. I'm actually expecting more comments from the "usual suspects" (YAY! I finally get to use this phrase!) in a lil bit.

***"I'm sure we'll hear "sour grapes" and a lot of excuses, but when there is a former Nintendo or Microsoft employee that rants about their former employer this place goes nuts with agreement.

Remember how that ex-Rare employee said Microsoft wouldn't let them do Killer Instinct 3? Same deal."***

Yeah I remember that. And I remember you spewing "sour grapes" and making... I think the term is "excuses...?" Yeah, I believe that is correct. You was making excuses for it. But now figure this... Now that this is a former Sony employee you are going (in your term) "nuts" with agreement. Very interesting to see how that works isn't it?

***"Interesting to see how people react to this obviously critical news. I've always said Sony lacked proper PR and advertising.'***

I agree, hence why the department is undergoing changes.

jd6664224d ago

And you're such an expert obviously!

BitbyDeath4224d ago

Someone being fired and someone leaving on their own accord are two very different things.

That said i'm sure many would agree with you on Sony lacking PR and advertising.

chrisarsenalsavart4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

Actually, since sony laid of their PR team, playstation brand as a whole have enjoyed their highest rate of commercial exposure here in europe.
At the moment, you see 3 times more advert for vita and ps3 than for nintendo. I have never seen that before. Sony is on the roll.

And sony said they will not drop the vita price. Guess what

Vita wifi+littlebigplanet =£189.00

EVILDEAD3604223d ago

LOL..Chunky is Spot on about the complete 'oppsosite' reaction when the other consoles are mentioned.

Just hit em' with the links and you can easily make your case. If not then the memorygets a lil' fuzzy around here as you can see from the response.

On topic, even some of the staunchest Sony fans have said the same exact thing about game advertisements.

Evil

Blankman854223d ago

Let me explain to you how N4G works;
Sony 1st party game sells poorly - Games journo reports and gamers and analysts suggest SONY lacks good PR, N4G on the other hand foams in the mouth and defends SONY PR, blames lack of sales on sheer number of exclusive choices on PS3 (even though for some reason multiplats don't seem to be affected)
SONY fire PR team - N4G: Good! They sucked anyway. They are the reason the games were not selling!
Put simply, if any part of SONY is criticized by anyone, that person can expect N4G to rip them a new one in seconds. You do not present any criticism to any part of SONY on this site.
If SONY however fires or closes down a department or studio then they are fair game. In fact expect N4G to go on a crusade to remind everyone how this is not a loss because their games suck and or don't sell and so SONY is doing the right thing sacking them, whereas mere weeks before SONY was being herald a saint because they keep studios arduod even though they don't make games that sell.
When Zipper were with SONY you couldn't say a bad thing about them. After they got sacked it became okay to say they'd lost their way.
Bigbig were "a small talented niche studio" when they were still with SONY and invaluable. Now because they were shut down they were a tiny unknown studio that nobody is going to miss anyway.
I could go on pointing out the fallacies and hypocrisy of this site but I'm sure you all get the picture.

MrBeatdown4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

Speaking of how N4G works, maybe you should mention how some people (you being a prime example) try to generalize the opinions of thousands of commenters on this site to make it sound like everyone is a hypocrite.

It's funny that in an article that is supposedly full of "fallacies and hypocrisy," you, EvilDead, and Chunky have yet to point to a single clear example here of an individual Sony fan being hypocritical or contradictory, let alone enough to prove there is any kind of trend, and instead chose to go with the usual, vague generalizations.

I can see why you do it. The more vague you are, and the less you get into specifics, the harder it is for anyone to refute. And that makes it easier for you to continue to pretend and perpetuate the idea that anyone who makes a comment you don't like is a hypocrite.

P_Bomb4223d ago (Edited 4223d ago )

@MrBeatdown
Agreed. "Do as I say not as I do" can be a bit pretentious, especially without relevant examples. Personally I've never cheerled when the shoe was on the other foot.

I feel bad for Will, I do, but in all fairness the entire industry is taking a hit right now. Might not be the best c.o.a to make headlines by calling out one of the major players in the industry, who also gave you your first break, when you're still rookie green yourself. I'd hope this passes soon.

EVILDEAD3604223d ago

LOL @ Mr. Beatdown as usual blind to when people are actually speaking the truth about what goes on in N$G because he's a part of it.

Your only goal in life is to pop up on certain posts and you know which ones you target and ignore the others.

But you don't weven address the topic AT ALL.

Chunky gave an EXACT example of when this ges on not a generalization, which is why I said for him to show em' the links.

Here's what he was talking about and look what YOU do while in that article..I bet you'll notice the DEJA VU from what your doing in THIS article

' http://n4g.com/news/1065055...

If you frequent N4G then you KNOW exactly what the usual suspects are going to say, because they do it over and over..and when it doesnt work they make more and more account to do it. Same stuff different day.

Once again..he is saying NOTHING that even the most hardline fan of Sony has said this gen. But I agree with ANYONE on here who says it wasn't the right thing to do from his position. But he's not the first or last that has made the 'twitter' mistake.

Evil

EVILDEAD3604223d ago

@ Ndihu

I didn't read your post until now..but wow you hit it on the head as well about the usual trend on N4g.

Your example about Zipper was a good one, but just the best example of this is Resistance 3.

The game was on EVERY singe exclusives list for 11 months prior. They used it as ammo to say how great the exclusivdes were last year vs. MS.

When the game didn't do big numbers they started bashing Insominac. When Insominac said it was going to be their last Resistance the hate got even worse. It especiually happened when when they said they were going multi-plat.

There are plenty of examples but that was by far the worst I'd seen these some of these guys act on here.

This is not fiction, just look up the article on here yourself.

On topic...

In all actuality does anyone really blame Sony if they are seekeng a new PR team or better ads? I know wouldnt.

Evil

MrBeatdown4223d ago

@Evil

I said none of you actually pointed to one clear example of individual hypocrisy. And you haven't. Point proven.

Instead, you resorted to generalizations. You're bothered that popular opinion favors Sony around here, so instead of calling them out for the supposed hypocrisy you ramble on about individually, you just link to a single article and act as if the general tone in each article proves your point.

If there really was the level of mass hypocrisy you suggest there is, you wouldn't need to rely on generalizations. You could easily get into specifics, individual by individual. But you don't, because it's easier to throw people under the bus with a bulldozer than it is to actually do it with some finesse and get your hands dirty.

The funny thing is you act like I'm "part of it" by pointing out what I did in that article. I called out Dirty for posting nearly every negative off-topic thing about Sony he could think of, rather than just addressing the specific topic of the comment he was replying to.

And here, I'm calling you three out for relying on generalizations to "prove" this site is dominated by hypocrites instead of actually addressing individuals. It's unsurprising that you resort to generalizations and vagueness as a way to discredit me.

Fact is, there is nothing hypocritical about what I said here and there. It's a prime example of how you generalize, remain vague, insinuate, and warp the truth. You shoot the messenger so you don't actually have to acknowledge that all those comments you don't like might actually have some merit.

Need more examples? How about how you constantly insinuated me and Outside_ofthe_box were the same person just because we both showed up in a few of the same articles, and didn't shut up about it until I called you on it and told you to back it up by talking to a mod? Just like here, you had a clear opportunity to back up what you were saying, but you didn't take it. You accuse, but never prove. You tried to brush it off as if it was a joke, but at best, it was a deliberate attempt to annoy us. You know... trolling.
http://n4g.com/news/989458/...

Which leads me into a perfect example of hypocrisy. If you actually were just trolling, ahem, "joking," it's awfully hypocritical that you also accused me of "trolling" Mass Effect 3 articles by "posting spoilers"... when I clearly wasn't trolling, and my comments were even well received based on agrees. Two for one. We got lies and hypocrisy from you on that one.
http://n4g.com/news/960273/...

You've clearly got a penchant for trying to spread baseless lies and warping reality to suit whatever sad agenda you have against PlayStation fans, so you'll have to forgive me for not taking your ramblings about the widespread hypocrisy of PlayStation fans with anything but a massive grain of salt.

Hell, speaking of hypocrisy (or just ignorance), you call me out for not discussing this article "AT ALL", even though I actually did post a comment discussing the topic that offered just as much in relation to the topic as your own.

See? You don't even have a proper grasp of my comments in one article, nevermind those of thousands of commenters across thousands of articles.

By the way, your grade school quality insults ("Your only goal in life...") are as entertaining as ever.

EVILDEAD3604222d ago

Here's the bottmline folks all 3 of you..

I'll repeat to Chunky & Nvidhu..both of you are spot-on in those specific instances about the hypocrisy and reactions on N4G.com, whether some on here want to admit it or not.

It would be easy to go wall of text for wall of text over one account like Mr. Beatdown, but in his case it isn't een close to worth it. Why?

One because he's already been addressed. You can pull those same old links all day..I addressed you then and love watching you still cry about them to this day. Especially when you kept repeating yourself over and over in every article. (LMAO). I stand by ANYTHING I ever said in your direction especially. But since you don't read or understand the words that come from your keyboard what's the use of rehashing? There isn't..keep it moving or keep crying I could care less.

Especially when you as usual you arent bring ANYTHING to the topic at hand, just trying to instigate something up by putting other people in your mouth till they give you some attention. This article is simply Exhibit A among others.

That is until, they look at your account and realize exactly what I have..ooohhh I see..it isnt even worth it..lol

Nuff said..back to talking about and supporting games..the reason 'MOST' of us who actually love this hobby come to N4G.com. Let the usual trolls and haters do what they do. They are harmless anyways.

Evil

MrBeatdown4222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

Another classic Evildead post.

When someone calls you on your BS, you dismiss it, spin it, or come up with pathetic excuses.

Not worth it? What a cop out.

I called you on your hypocrisy, and the broad, vague accusations people like you need to resort to whenever popular opinion doesn't match your own viewpoint. Here, you've done exactly what I said you do. You make accusations that you can't back up. You pick fights you can't finish. You hide behind the ambiguity of what you say because you know that's all you have. You weasel your way out of defending your drivel by coming up with even more of it. You claim it would be easy to back up what you say, but you don't, because you can't, and it's blatantly obvious why.

Do I care about what you've said in regards to those comments I posted? Can't say I do. You make up blatant lies to try to make me look bad. That's all I need to know. Anything else from you after that was just a desperate attempt at damage control, just like what you posted here. Don't like it when I bring up your history of trolling and lies? Too bad. You want to throw around accusations of hypocrisy? Go ahead. But I'll let people know exactly what kind of person it's coming from.

Unsurprisingly, you provide us with yet another example of your hypocrisy by once again trying to pin something on me. I replied to off-topic comments you made, yet you criticize me for not bringing anything to the topic at hand. I reply to someone making accusations, and you call me the instigator.

You, Chunky, and Ndivhu were more than willing to run down PlayStation fans, but you act like it's me keeping you from discussing the article. The irony is I'm the only one of the four of us that posted a comment that was entirely on topic. But as always, you blatantly disregard reality to throw anyone and anything you don't like under the bus. Fortunately, anyone with half a brain doesn't buy into your crap. So I suppose you're right... you are harmless.

Outside_ofthe_Box4222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

Generalizations indeed.

I can easily say the same thing about 360 fans about their opposite reactions when other consoles are mentioned as well. I don't get way you guys act like 360 fans are immune to bias.

Evil and Chunky bring up the rare article, but your reactions aren't the same there as they are here, which is EXACTLY what you are criticizing people on N4G for.

Ndivhu, http://n4g.com/news/1087744...

You took issue with me being in a Halo article lmao because I called you out, but you deflect it as me not being allowed in an article because I apparently have no interest in it, yet the article is about reasons why people that aren't interested in it should be interested in it... lol.

But Nidivhu mind telling me how come you're in this article despite you clearly having no interest? http://n4g.com/news/1085006...

At the end of the day, if you favor something over the other(which we all do since we are human) you aren't going to have the same reaction/response to something that you favor less. I know you three are going to disagree with me because you think all Sony fans are hypocrites and all 360 fans are saints, but we really need to be real here.

EVILDEAD3604222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

LOL..NO ONE is scared of you Mr. Beatdown where they are running scared and have to cop out from anything. But, after it's been done over and over, someone has to be the bigger peron and let it go.

You brought my name out I responded. Click disagree, provide another wall of text, do what you got to do. I've adrressed you when I needed to do it and I'm not going through repeating my stance again and again to a someone like you.

To the other profile..'Outside' guy. Who is 'unsuprisingly' jumping in..

'Evil and Chunky bring up the rare article, but your reactions aren't the same there as they are here, which is EXACTLY what you are criticizing people on N4G for'

My reaction were EXACTLY what they should have been in BOTH cases..amd NOTHING like what Ndivhu is pointing out.

You didn't see me simply bash the ex-employee from Rare for his opinion, NOR do you see me bash this guy for his.

The Rare conversation has been a standard this whole gen and I adressed my thought on it..period. But, I also said can you blame MS for their actions regarding Rare.

In THIS article, I said that even the most hardline fan of Sony has said exactly what the guy tweeted..but read what else I wrote..

'But I agree with ANYONE on here who says it wasn't the right thing to do from his position. But he's not the first or last that has made the 'twitter' mistake. '

'In all actuality does anyone really blame Sony if they are seekeng a new PR team or better ads? I know wouldnt'

I just keep 100% real here, in both cases you could argue for the actions of Both MS and Sony.

And you are dead wrong if you believe that I believe ANYBODY on N4G, no matter what preferred system they own are 'saints'.

Again, I gave you two 'profiles' your attention. My original comments still stand, my past comments still stand. Click disagree, write another wall of text but I'm done here..have fun

PS..thanks to the both of you for copying my lingo in your comments..it's good to see I've had a positive influence on N4G where it was definately needed

Evil

MrBeatdown4222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

Oh, Evil. I'm not trying to scare you. I'm just pointing out what a hypocritcal troll you are. That's all!

Bigger "peron"? That's funny!. I called you out, yeah, but you know what? You're one of the three that started crying hypocrisy. Just like I said, you refused to get specific, just so you could dodge the backlash and not have to answer to anyone. Didn't work this time though, and as always, you've embarrassed yourself yet still try to walk away with your head held high. You go ahead, take the "high road." Be the bigger man and all that. Whatever you got to tell yourself. Walk away from the issue you wanted to get into. Like I said, it's a cop out. It always is with you. It's a real cute act... You start a fire, then walk away when it gets too hot and blame the other guy.

Thanks for the offer, but I don't really need another wall of text. I think I did a pretty thorough job of highlighting your hypocrisy and just how hollow all your accusations really are with that one post. Your damage control really says more than I ever could.

EVILDEAD3604222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

Yup..was right the first time..Exhibit A..going back and forth with this fantroll on repeat is idiotic..

If you do respond they pretend it's damage control...

If you dont respond they pretend someone is actually dodging them..LMAO

It's so easy to eat these troll-a-thon profiles with only one reason to exist.

Been there done that..what am I supposedly embarrassed of on N4G? Who embarrased me? You? LMFAO..I'm blushing over here..

Like I said same stuff..different day..usual suspects..

That was fun..back to talking about games..the reason I'm on here.

Evil

Outside_ofthe_Box4222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

***"I just keep 100% real here, in both cases you could argue for the actions of Both MS and Sony."***

Then where's the issue? If it's totally possible and acceptable to argue for or against the actions of both MS and Sony why it an issue if people were to argue against MS and then come here to argue for Sony?

I don't understand that. You can't blame MS for their actions, but is it such an issue or wrong if one were to side with the ex-rare employee? Same here. You can't blame Sony for their actions, but it's totally possible to side with someone that got laid off or fired.

But Chunky makes it seem as if that if anyone were to defend Sony in this instance you are being Sour and making excuses. And you claim that he is spot on.

Whenever there is a negative Sony article there is always some that likes to point out how people are "defending" something that is the "truth." The "truth", apparently some blogger's opinion is fact now and anyone that dares argue against it are either in denial or do damage control. But this is the case with any negative article about any company. There are always people arguing against it, but it seems that certain people only like to take issue on it when it comes to Sony...

Are there hypocrites on this website? Yes, but they aren't all Sony fans nor or all Sony fans hypocrites which you three appear to be claiming. Are there Sony fans that troll MS and Nintendo articles? Yes, but that does that mean that the entire N4G does it? Does that mean that no single MS fan or Ninty fan does it on Sony articles?

Why not pick out those that troll instead of saying "usual trend on N4G?" Instead of saying "you can't say anything negative about Sony on here?" I've found that I can't say anying negative about MS on here either without having someone be on my behind about it.

I wonder if I'm allowed to make generalizations and say things like "can't say anything positive about Sony in a negative article on here without someone calling you a defender or the SDF" because that definitely happens quite frequently on here.

MrBeatdown4222d ago (Edited 4222d ago )

Evil, you're as predictable as ever.

I said one thing originally... People like you resort to generalizations about a certain group of fans on this site, simply because it's easy. You don't have to be specific when you can attack everyone with some across-the-board accusations. You provided a perfect example of that. You act as if it's the exact same people who turned on Insomniac when they were no longer useful. It's pathetic that that's the best you can do. You can't name names, and even when you do, you abandon that when someone calls you out.

You pointed to what I said here, and what I said in that other article. Yet that's all you did. When I called you on it, you didn't say another thing about it. Because you didn't have a leg to stand on. That's what you do... you make hollow, baseless accusations and hope somebody is stupid enough to buy into it. You act like everyone you disagree with is a hypocrite by generalizing and acting like all Sony fans on this site are some kind of hive mind that are all in agreement over every single topic, and you ignore the nuances and arguments of each individual's opinion.

I gave you a clear opportunity to prove me wrong by providing examples. Even just a few. You've done everything but that. You burned through six comments, yet you couldn't produce a single example of how anything you say is true. You criticise me for not discussing the article, even though you didn't discuss it any more than I did. You talk about how you want to talk about games, even though you opted to come in here and start accusing the community you so often disagree with. In fact, not one of your comments was entirely, or even mostly on-topic. You say you want to be the bigger man, but you keep coming back and calling me a troll without any basis for it. With you "it's do as I say, not as I do".

At least I can respect the other two for knowing when to quit. Maybe they acknowledge what I originally said had some validity, and maybe they won't make sweeping statements about a community of thousands in the future, and instead focus on the individuals that truly deserve to be called hypocrites. At least, that's what I hope. But you just keep coming back and yes, making a pathetic attempt at damage control, trying to act like your past comments about me and Outside have reasonable explanations, but are, as anyone can see, nothing but hypocrisy, lies and trolling... pathetic attacks on people who make a valid point you hate hearing.

You act like everything I'm posting is a failed attempt at scaring or embarassing you. I really couldn't care less about how you feel. You act like you don't care. Maybe it's just to try to save face. Maybe you really are that detached and clueless about how idiotic and immature you sound. It doesn't matter to me. All I care about is making sure that this community knows exactly what kind of childish, hypocritical troll it is that's running his mouth and attacking them without any ability or intention of backing it up. And I think I've done a pretty good job of that.

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WilliamH4224d ago

Sony needs to learn how to advertise better, it's their biggest weakness. Also the discrepancies between the EU, US & JP PS store content needs a serious looking at. They have great products, it's just they need to let more people know they actually exist

RivetCityGhoul4224d ago

no what they need to do is stop investing countless resources into crap no one wants like ps move & 3d for instance.

stuna14224d ago

Although I agree with the stop releasing crap part of your comment, just because you don't like the move controller or 3d, doesn't mean everyone shares your sentiments! There obviously is a market for that so called "CRAP"!

Like people are saying the PR department has been in need of a overhaul for a number of years! And it's unfortunate that some had to lose their jobs in the process, but in this economy employers in general can't afford to continuously carry around dead weight! Tough decisions are going to have to be made at some point or other divisions are going to be affected.

RivetCityGhoul4224d ago

@stuna1 there is a market a very niche market too bad that it never took off, which is why i consider crap no one wants. because if people wanted it there would be a amass of sales. as much as people want to believe that sales do not matter, they actually do. imagine what sony would've done with those resources. made new games, had better advertisment for their games, hell they could have used the resources towards the vita. you know the stuff that is crucial to the playstation brand existing.

BitbyDeath4224d ago

You do realise that Move has sold over 10 million units?

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TongkatAli4224d ago

Can someone explain to me why Sony TV'S don't make them a profit ? I love my bravia, but why are you killing Sony ?

RivetCityGhoul4224d ago

cause they're over priced, you can get the same experience with other branded t.v's like samsung for a more affordable price.

InTheLab4224d ago

Samsung TV's have a shelf life of 6-12 months..

My Samsung has a fat ass line down the left side of it from casual usage over the last year.

Meanwhile, I bought a Bravia 6 years ago that works as good as it did the day I bought it. I also bought an LED Bravia 3 years ago that still functions properly.

Samsung TVs are cheap Korean crap that somehow ended up with a positive reputation despite settling a law suit for selling TV's version of lemons.

DO NOT BUY A SAMSUNG!

Buy a Sharp or a Panasonic if you think Bravias are too expensive (they're not but that public perception...).

sjaakiejj4224d ago

@InTheLab

That's funny, I've had my Samsung TV for 6 years, and no matter how hard I look, I can't find a fat ass line down the side.

If that happened in less than a year, it's a manufacturing defect. You still have warranty, why haven't you traded it in?

InTheLab4224d ago

@sjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakdfj;fj

I said over the last year. Since it's been six years for you, you probably forgot how Samsung offers a 1 year warranty and the line on mine is not what they cover...

forcefullpower4224d ago

@InTheLab

Totally agree about buying Sharp or Panasonic. Just bough myself a Panasonic TXP55VT50B and its absoutely blows samsung out of the water. I also bought cheap £400 Sharp Aquos for my missus sister and even that makes the samsungs look bad. I just dont get how they have got such a great reputation amungst people buying TV's. The only good thing about the samsungs is the smart tv part which has a lot of support.

sjaakiejj4224d ago

@InTheLab

"@sjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakd fj;fj "

Wow, so mature.

"Samsung TV's have a shelf life of 6-12 months"

That indicates you've owned your TV for less than a year, otherwise shelf life would've been longer. The warranty covers any manufacturing defects, and unless you bashed some object into the TV causing the line, it is covered by the warranty.

Any problem that occurs on its own, not by your misuse, over the warranty period is covered by the warranty.

I have two Samsung screens myself. My brother owns a Samsung screen, my sister owns a Samsung screen, and my cousin owns a Samsung screen. The youngest screen is my cousin's, which he's had for a year. The oldest is my sister's, which she's had for 7 years. None of them have broken or shown any signs of age.

That your one Samsung TV happened to have a manufacturer defect is bad luck, but it was covered by the warranty. That doesn't however mean that all Samsung TVs are bad, as mine and that of many other customer's experience with their TVs has been excellent.

Fun fact: Did you know that Sony used the same screens for their Bravia as Samsung for their TVs? Yes, that means your Bravia Screen is actually the same as a Samsung Screen ;)
http://www.businessweek.com...

wishingW3L4224d ago

I bought a Samsung and that was the worst purchase of my life. The TV has crazy dejudder and it make games unplayable on it even though it says that it has a 6ms response time! I don't like Sony though either because their TV's are expensive but their panels and response times are way better than Samsung's bullcrap specs. I have a 6 years old Panasonic with 14ms response time and the image itself doesn't suffer from this much dejudder which is crazy!

The thing is that Samsung is cheaper due to the lower exchange rates and Korea being more stable economically than Japan. And people always prefer cheaper... But when a friend ask what TV to buy I always say: "Panasonic or Sharp baybee!". It doesn't matter if it's cheap or not their panels are always high quality compared to the crap Samsung sells. You need to buy the expensive stuff with 120/240hz from Samsung to get decent panels. Sony tends to do the same and that's why I don't like their TV even though I love their consoles.

P_Bomb4223d ago

I've had my first Samsung LCD since 2007, kids are watching it right now. Just bought another, plasma this time. $2000 a pop. Haven't had a problem with the TVs at that price range.

InTheLab4223d ago

@ sjaa

the point of my typing sjaaa is because your name is absurd. I'm sure that handle means something to you, but to everyone else, it's gibberish. If that's immature, well, It is what it is.

The screen has nothing to do with the capacitors, which are what causes the lines. Faulty capacitors are also what Samsung recently lost a class action lawsuit filed on behalf of certain Samsung owners.

It's not just me. My lonely broken Samsung won't be winning any class action suits...

http://reviews.cnet.com/830...

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Pillsbury14224d ago

I love my vizio and I love my ps3 but even I know Sonys Tvs are overpriced.

cee7734224d ago

most of those cheaper samsung's tv's lack connections vga, audio out that even cheaper tv's have like philips, vizio etc.

wishingW3L4224d ago (Edited 4224d ago )

that's true man but people prefers cheaper regardless of the quality. Samsung already made the brand popular in part thanks to the joint they had with Microsoft back in 2005 to sell Xbox 360 (which was the first HD console) and people blindly trust them now. =/

Their TV always get good reviews but the models they review cost thousand of dollars!

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies14d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken14d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga14d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken14d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6414d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12514d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91314d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer14d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher14d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher14d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken14d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2314d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder14d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades20d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken20d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades20d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii20d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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