Outrage that Wii U is Running Black Ops in 1080p?

Gaming Enthusiast:

Rich Masucci discusses the recent gamer outrage over the Wii U running Black Ops in 1080p.

[claud3]

Really, up set over a small thing

[mewhy32]

the wii u has 2 gig of ram and more advanced gpu that both the ps3 and xbox. Big deal. The next Xbox and ps3 will blow this wii u thing out of the water. But for now, as far as tech goes, wii u is on top.

[jaosobno]

Actually it only has 1GB of usable memory. Other 1GB is reserved for OS and cannot be used to execute games.

To all potential disagrees: This is a fact confirmed by Nintendo.

GPU is more capable, but CPU (according to developers) is lagging behind PS3 and X360.

You could add 512MB of shared RAM to present gen and practically get systems of identical power to WiiU.

So much for next gen leap.

[kamakaz3md]

as far as tech goes, nintendo wii u isnt even out and when it does come out it still wont be on top... If you think about it, it takes a console and game devs a good 5 - 6 years before they max out the power of a system. And if you want to tell me NO, then you would basically be saying, all the new games like... U3, AC3, FC3, CODBO2 ect. Dont look that good graphically! The wii U isnt that much more powerful then 360 and ps3, so by the time the wii U is pushing games to half max, your gonna get ps4 and next xbox, with double the power of a wii u, which everyone knows this, already putting them ahead. Hope you understand what im saying, its hard to explain but makes sense lol. Im not saying your wrong, just making a point that is made every generation of consoles!

[decrypt]

Who cares, its not like console gamers care about graphics. 1080p means nothing to console gamers.

[Highlife]

Why shouldn't it. I am surprised though that this happened. I though M$ would not allow it. I thought they had a deal with Activision with COD.

[nerdkiller]

i have a feeling no next gen is going to come close to pc today, it cost too much no way is sony going to take a gamble and put out another 600 system.

some ppl believe in this fantasy that you can get a system that looks like avatar for 300$, fools

[ALLWRONG]

@jaosobno that's a lot better than split 256x256. Fact is if you combined the 360 and PS3 the Wii U would still have more power under the hood. Next gen has started and Nintendo is kicking the doors wide open.

Wii U could load Youtube videos in the guide menu while playing a game. PS3 can't even cross game chat. All that and the Wii U is the same price. Gee I wonder which one people are going to choose?

[darthv72]

the difference between a game running at 1080p vs one that is displayed at 1080p?

From what i gather, most games are generally programmed at a lower res but then given the option to be displayed at 1080p via the console or the tv. Basically upscaling from the original assets.

Running the game at 1080p would imply that everything was programmed at that res. All assets and textures and models were coded at 1080p therefore the game runs at 1080p.

So now is this version of the game built from the ground up to run at 1080p or is it simply a port that is upscaled to 1080p?

[badz149]

why not? Sony has proven that releasing a powerful system at OK price is possible with the Vita! current top smartphones without contracts cost up to $700 but the more gaming capable Vita is just $250! sure, Sony might not make as much money from every unit sold or maybe none at all but they are looking to cash in on software, not hardware unlike the iPhones and Galaxies which are selling at a very nice profit margin each!

The Vita is pretty much still at the top crop in terms of power among handheld devices and will still be for quite sometime! dev will continue to push the Vita but on smartphones? not so much! nobody wants to push boundaries with selling price of <$5!

so, there's still hope that, the PS4 will still be packed in with some serious power under its hood and sold for a price not breaking the bank! my guess is, $399 top!

[Ares84HU]

They shouldn't be boasting about this since it will be the weakest system in the next-generation of video game consoles. It's more powerful than current-gen yes, but it's an unfair comparison since current gen systems came out 6 years ago.

I cannot wait for the next Xbox and next Playstation and than ask Nintendo.....what about the graphics now??? What was that again??? Oh yeah, I didn't think so.

Nintendo, just be quiet please!

PS: PC blows the WiiU out of the water when it comes to graphics......just saying.

[LostDjinn]

@ darth: Native res is the res the scene is rendered at on the G buffer ((or back buffer( it's the same thing, it just has different names depending on who you ask). Components of the scene (particle effects, blur filters, H.U.Ds, models, etc) can be rendered at a different res individually but the back buffer is where it's put together and becomes the output frame (image).

You can use hardware or software (in most cases both) to upscale the image but that doesn't really improve it. It's just an attempt to cut down on jaggys. It'll actually make textures more muddy and other fine detail gets lost as well.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Don't ask me anymore questions!

Edit:I don't know if this game runs at a native 1080p. I don't think anyone (that does know) will be able to answer that until after it releases. (That's the other part answered)

[badz149]

comparing the NEW Wii U with the 6 years old PS3? bias much?

and choosing between 2 HD systems; 1 with 6 years worth of games (retail + PSN) & PS+ which offers plethora of new games and stuff for FREE every month if you subscribe and the other one with just a handful of new games + ports of released games and using a "yet-to-proof-itself" ; online network....hmmm tough choice! /s

at the moment, if you're not a huge Mario and Zelda fan, there's not that many reasons to get a Wii U just yet! if you think that people will flock to Wii U so just they can play the same game available on PS3 and 360 only at higher resolution, you're wrong! if that's the case, no one would play on consoles because even a decent PCs/laptops can do more that what the PS3 and 360 are capable of! maybe not the exclusives, but 90% games (my estimation) are multiplats anyway!

[Autodidactdystopia]

@ Darthv72

Here is an analogy.

note that the original assets do not Have a resolution per se they are rendered as mathematical shapes and can be infinitely rendered at a higher resolution. the textures however do have a resolution. 2k 4k 8k etc.

imagine taking a piece of paper and covering it with an image 1024x1024 then taking that peice of paper and wrapping it around a pryamid shaped object stretching it so it covers the whole shape. that is called uv mapping and is done in every game or 3d model that is finished.

rendering resolution is another matter. contrary to lostDJIn the higher the resolution does NOT make textures muddy and does not lose fine detail. It gives more fine detail. sometimes the original assets are very low resolution and when you up the resolution they are more clearly blurry. you are actually getting a better look at them.

RESOLUTION ANALOGY
imagine a screen door. that when you look through it each pixel would be represented by a hole in the screen door. the catch is that on this screen door each hole can only pass through one color. if looking through a 1024x720 screen door the image can only be so detailed. now imagine that that screen door was 1920x1080 you have now almost double the holes in the door to see a color through. the result is a crisper clearer image with fine details that WERE NOT THERE when rendering at a lower resolution.

the difference between upscaling and native resolution is that each extra pixel you have to draw to screen costs performance meaning that if you go too high the sytem cannot handle it.

with upscaling it just takes the 1280,720 image and stretches pixels so that each one takes up 4 pixels on the screen and does post process averaging to make up fake details for image smoothing purposes. which is what the 360/ps3 do. which doesnt cost nearly as much performance as i believe both the 360 and the ps3 have "hardware" upscaling similair to hardware mpeg2 decoding. meaning that it costs nothing to the cpu, all of the upscaling is done on the dedicated chip.

Never mistake more resolution always is better and shows more fine detail at distances farther away from the player. the only problem is performance.

[Army_of_Darkness]

can run black ops in 1080p@ 60fps, then that's F#@king awesome! who's hating on that?! Decrypt?? the pc fanboy?!LMAO!

[PotatoClock]

@Army

Rofl.

Sorry but why would a PC fanboy complain 'bout COD running 1080 on WiiU?
We've had 1080 Res for years now, and with a far better FPS than 60, and on many more games than just COD...

Naturally its the console fanboys with pre-1080 systems who feel so offended and are the ones stamping around complaining.

[neogeo]

IF Sony can afford to make a PS4. The may go bankrupt first.

[SilentNegotiator]

Once again, the word "native" appears in no reliable sources.

WiiUDaily and NintendoEnthusiast spread so many false rumors.

[adorie]

I don't know why they need 1gig of ram to run the OS. Whynot 256 or even 512?

-_-

[Army_of_Darkness]

PC fanboy(lets use decrypt for exam): "WTF?! the wiiU is a petty console! and console gamers don't care about grahics!? so why would the developers waste their time making blops2 run as good as my amazing-sexy-bonneriffic-ball tingling-jizz covered PC?!??! That's bullshit! I refuse to believe this gawddammit! they could be using those resources to make the pc version even way better instead!! Like 120fps at 1400p!
shit nuggets! I'm gonna write a mean letter to activision about this!"

And now you know why... haha!

[PotatoClock]

@Army

Well, consider my comment null and void lol

I should never underestimate the fanboys sense of entitlement, be them PC or Console fanboys.

[meetajhu]

Pc did this 7 Years ago

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi...

[Kos-Mos]

Are you so mad?

[Consoldtobots]

uhmmm

you don't "code" anything at 1080p. Your models and textures can be as detailed as your memory requirements will allow. What you set to 1080p are the raster output frames the engine generates.

[Apex13]

Sad sad sad. does it matter and are you even tech savy or just and end user acting like you know what you are talking about?

it's not what is under the hood but how it's used.

[mewhy32]

@jao

"Actually it only has 1GB of usable memory. Other 1GB is reserved for OS and cannot be used to execute games. " That's 2 gig mornon. Geese.

[Blastoise]

Why would anyone be mad about this? Its a good thing...

[live2play]

ok so these new generation tween "hardcore gamers" grew up with the term HD games meaning games with good graphics... and not having anything to do with resolution (which is what HD or SD are defined by, the resolution)

so now anything with good graphics (ps3 Xbox vita games) not necessarily being 1080p(what most consider to be true HD) are considered to be HD games by them (even though they are mostly sub HD like 720p)

so now that nintendo has the wiiu, able to run games in native 1080p at 60 frames per second

(AND) people(fanboys), in thier minds still have the wiiu as being from "this gen" meaning, not more powerful than ps360 (this gen by them being defined by graphics, not the actual defenition)

by them the wiiu CANNOT and WILL NOT be considered superior(even slightly)than "current gen" because its not a "real" console

and therefore the wiiu versions of games CANNOT be superior

[ClimateKaren]

Nobody is really mad about it. People might be cracking jokes on the Wii-U, but nobody is actually pissed off about COD running at 60fps. It's just an excuse for a site dedicated to Nintendo hardware to tout something that they think will make people who don't like Nintendo mad. They're doing what shitty writers do best: Trolling in lieu of an idea of something of substance to write about.

[herbs]

Because hater fan boys are the most immature and spoiled little cunts that exist today. They dont know it but they want the Wii U because it's better hardware and they are gamers, but they are so attached to another brand because of child hood memory's or somthing. So it seems to them that these memorys are some how threatened by Nintendo. So they have to bash Nintendo and hold on to the hope that there brand console is still some how more powerful when in fact they are not. Get over yourselfs.

[RIP_Weazel]

@herbs. Who's mad dude? Realistically, Nintendo will have the highest spec console out at time of release, so you'd have to hope that the games released would reflect this.
As for hater fan boys being " the most immature and spoiled little cu*ts that exist today"...hmmm.
I s'pose that depends on your world experience, but there's plenty more deserving candidates. Fan boys are just funny...in a pitiful way.

[aquamala]

you still have PS360 owners that don't think this is a powerful console, it will be obvious in 2 months. they are in denial, just look at some of the comments.

[StoneyYoshi]

its not really much of a big deal. ....

I mean, Ive been able to play COD in 1080p at 60 FPS since COD4.

it seriously isn't much of a difference. It just makes all the bland textures stand out a bit better.

[Flavor]

It is kind of funny.. I mean.. It's only been seven years since the 360 came out... people shouldn't be mad that a new console can outperform it. Seven years is FOREVER in consumer electronics. There weren't even smartphones seven years ago.

[sourav93]

There's nothing to be upset about. This is great news. It shows that the Wii U, unsurprisingly, is more powerful than the PS3 and 360, which are 6-7 year old systems. And this also means that Call of Duty on consoles won't look terrible (all relative of course) anymore, and when Sony and MS bring out their next gen consoles, it will be even better, of course that is if they have higher specs than the Wii U, which they mostly likely will do.

[avengers1978]

I agree so what........ And really I don't think that this will make people that game on PS3 or 360(were most your call of duty is played) run out and get a Wii U, because besides from running slightly better(1080p, 60fps)it's the same game they can get on there current consoles... I have yet to see any thing for WiiU that says it is that much if at all better than PS3 or 360.

[Campy da Camper]

More whiners in here than in Green Bay today. Remember SB XL

[showtimefolks]

Wiiu is newer tech so off course it should be doing it better. Why are people so up in arms about small things

Let it go and enjoy it if you like COD

[JsonHenry]

They gonna be super pissed when they find out the PC can run it across 3 screens, full TXAA, 16xAF, and in 3D. Probably so pissed they jump off a bridge!

[Shnazzyone]

OMG newer hardware runs something better then older hardware?!? *ensue spazzfest*

[Wizziokid]

why is it an Outrage? if people are that upset buy it for the Wii U or shut up and play it on the system you own. simple solution

[guitarded77]

Sounds like someone kept their common sense cap on.

On Video Topic: This is the first time I've ever listened to this guy... I kinda like him, he's not a total moron.

[Hisiru]

I love his videos, I think you should subscribe.

He is not biased against any company and he gives his opinion about every console.

[memots]

I just subscribe to it. Good stuff

[ALLWRONG]

I don't think it's Wii U fans that are upset. Sounds more like fans of other consoles.

[Cyb3r]

Why are people getting upset the game engine looks dated anyway. And besides I would expect a game to run better on new tech why dumb it down just to please people who dont wanna move forward

[SonyNGP]

Brand obsessed manchildren. They'll rage over anything.

[live2play]

havent you heard?

nintendo cant have nice things

[yesmynameissumo]

It's kinda sad gamers can't just be happy. It's like Black Ops 2 running in 1080p is going to come to your home and physically assault you. And your bionic eye.

[cleft5]

Really there seems to be no pleasing the hardcore gamers lately. You have to wonder how long until these companies just stop trying to please a jaded cynical crowd of whiners and just focus on making games for a casual audience that doesn't cry about the stupidest thing.

[Dusdg]

Who is outraged? A new console with double the ram of current consoles is running a current gen game better... Duh.

[Hicken]

That's what I'd like to know. I haven't seen any outrage about this.

[Jumper09]

lol the quake3 engine runs already in 1080p on PC. Good to see that WiiU got a little bit better GPU. But the next CoD on Durango/PS4 will be in 1080p too.

[cleft5]

Or people can not wait for the 720/ps4 and just go buy a gaming pc. So many people keep talking about how much more powerful the ps4/720 will be, well I can assure they won't be as powerful as the current top tier gaming pcs. So if you all want powerful graphics that bad, just go buy a gaming pc.

[Jumper09]

LoL
U should not Compare PC hardware to Console Hardware...

[Highlife]

Frankly I would make the switch to pc gaming if those console exclusives would find their way to pc.

[StoneyYoshi]

@jumper09

'U should not Compare PC hardware to Console Hardware...'

Why not? Consoles are PC's too. It uses the SAME hardware as PC's Its just more proprietary to that configuration and its older tech too.

Your logic is invalid my friend.

[metroid32]

The gpu is way more powerful think a more powerful E6760 lets look at the stock version.

STOCK- WiiU

HD/3D- HD/3D
Eyefinity- Eyefinity
600 gigaflops- 1 terraflop
DX11/Opengl 4.1- Opengl 4.1
Shader Model 5.0- Shader Model 5.0
Compute shader 11- Compute shader 11

I'm saying 1 terraflop becasue nintendo tweaked the gpu to fit the UE4 and Ubisoft said the wiiu is basically a 6770 and nintendo themselves said the HD4850 is roughly where the power is at and that ran at 1.34 terraflops.

Thats 2/3 generations above ps3 shader model on ps3 is 3.0 wiiu 5.0/ps3 dx9 comparable wiiu dx11/ps3 zero eyefinity/ps3 zero HD/3D support.

Oh they did say the graphics are better as well as 1080p/60fps don'r forget that bit the lighting texure res everything.

[Knight_Crawler]

I can see Nintendo using this slogan on every 3 party game "Better on the Wii U"

[bubblebeam]

They should, just because they can and it would be hilarious. I'm not getting a Wii U off the bat (maybe after a year) but I like seeing kids get angry over the most trivial of things.

Glad to see Nintendo join the HD party. The new Zelda and Metroids will flip this world upside down. I can just imagine people burning flags over that shit, it's going to be absolutely crazy. I hope they do an EPIC and totally awesome E3 next year showcasing HD Metroid and Zelda. Mind-blowing stuff.

[majiebeast]

Yeah and after that they should write for a year. Cause when the ps4 and 720 come out the wii u will have no third party support just like the wii.

[Knight_Crawler]

LOL bubbles to you kind sir.

[ConstipatedGorilla]

I don't think it's going to be the dramatic difference you're hoping for buddy.

Microsoft is focusing on Kinect and likely bundling it in, which is going to effect the price and they'll need to compensate by lowering specs a tad - just my guess...

[samtheseed]

He has a lot of followers. He's a good talker. A salesman. He has some smarts and is somewhat tech-savvy, but he makes so many mistakes in his videos with poor research methods, and then gets very, very defensive and churlish if someone calls him on it - even when in a friendly adult fashion.

Full HD DOES mean 1080p, it does, BUT, why didn't they come out and SAY 1080p? Perhaps because there's something fishy about it?

If the Wii U does output BLOPS2 at 1080p and 60fps, it would make it a very capable beast.

Until they officially state the game is native 1080p instead of skirting round it with buzz words, assume nothing as official.

[N6]

Agreed completely. I'm a Nintendo fan and tend to be optimistic with expectations, but in this case ReviewTechUSA is reaching. Of course we know what "FULL HD" means, but we don't know what they mean by it (if that makes sensee). If we listen to the context, during the press conference Activision was saying "HD Graphics...FIRST TIME ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE". So what that spokesman (who may not be tech savvy) easily could have meant, is removing doubt from fans that yes, the Wii U is capable of producing HD, and used the word "FULL" to emphasize that point.

My reasons for doubting 1080p , are due to hard facts. Developers have said the CPU is weaker than its competitors in some areas, however, the GPU is stronger than expected. The problem is the design/architecture is revolved around PS360, which is CPU intensive, and no one is currently taking advantage of the Wii U's GPGPU right now. Ubisoft maybe the only 3rd party who is, but they need to get used to that modern feature as well.

Its simple - if you are providing details, just SAY 1080p, if that's what it is.

[PopRocks359]

ALLEGEDLY the CPU is weaker. Namco said that when dealing with the clock speed they had to "work around" it.

But RTUSA made the point of saying that the devs would never have said "FULL HD" if they did not mean it. Why would they say full HD exactly if they did not mean full HD? That would make no sense.

[Straightupbeastly]

So we hated Nintendo for making the cheap Wii, but we also hate Nintendo for having a new console in 1080p?

Gamers are some of the most mentally unstable individuals on this planet.

[Roccetarius]

Too little, too late you mean? :)

[rpd123]

Who gives a shit?

[DrJones]

I do.

[Sarcasm]

Who's to say it's not just upscaled 1080p anyway like the rest of the COD games? (except PC of course)

[Bobby Kotex]

Shh, some people here hate the truth

[Hisiru]

Did you actually WATCHED the video? Probably not, or else you would have your answer.

[SegataShanshiro]

How dare you speak the truth!

[PopRocks359]

How is this the truth? The announcement is about the Wii U supporting the game in full HD, which neither the 360 nor the PS3 do.

[Sarcasm]

PopRocks359

Because marketing ALWAYS tell the TRUTH right?

[mrbojingles]

A lot of people in the gaming industry are being exposed as jealous losers who simply can't share something with others.

They actually think Nintendo consoles can't have nice things. Get over your brand preferences and give something new a try or else ignore it and let it be.

It's also pretty dumb because the Wii U is more powerful than 360/PS3 so they can't blame Treyarch. They're working with better tech, so of course they'd make it 1080p. That's like getting upset when your GameCube/PS2 plays a prettier version of Tony Hawk in 2001 than your Dreamcast did in 2000. Of course the newer console (Wii U) will look and perform better than the older console (360/PS3)

[M_Prime]

its easy to be on top when you are 6 years late to the party

[mrbojingles]

I don't get it, are you saying Nintendo is 6 years late to the 2GB of RAM in home consoles party?

[M_Prime]

just making a comment on your WiiU is more powerful then the 360/PS3 comment.

its easy to be more powerful when the consoles you are competing with are 6 years old

[mrbojingles]

Cool.

I really hope people say the same thing for the 720/PS4

[M_Prime]

it all depends when the next xbox and playstation are released.

However when that happens i think Nintendo will be left out by 3rd parties again unless nintendo has some awesome tricks up their sleeves

[mrbojingles]

You what just hit me? Why don't console makers allow flash memory via SD/USB drives to expand system memory in the future? Kinda like Windows does, even though that was mostly aimed at Netbooks.

Would this ever work, like say if X amount of a console's internal flash memory was always saved for this?

Just wondering as I type really.

[M_Prime]

i think it would be inefficient in terms of speed. unless its specifically designed and then it would be fairly expensive. Also then you would get into the issue of some people have it and some don't and you separate your market. N64 did this and it was cool but it really sucked if you didn't have it because you would miss out on a lot of games though it did come with DK64

[teabag-nation]

Dont you worry man everythings going to be beautiful. So settle dddddddddddown

[deletingthis34675334]

People are stupid. They say Wii U isn't a next gen console but bitch when a game on it is 1080p? QQ

[WiiUalpha]

That's kinda the point though. It takes away a reason for them to troll Wii U articles. Like Divine something. He is constantly trolling Wii U articles saying it is inferior to the 360 in every way. Notice he hasnt been here yet either. heck most of the people who do nothing but troll Nintendo articles are nowhere to be found here. No Divine, No Heavenly Sword, No Mika whatever.

[glopez]

Someone on another post replied to how he'd laugh at me when the WiiU version of BLOPS 2 would be sub 600p. LOL I wonder where hes at right now.

[TongkatAli]

U mad should be the slogan for the whole planet.

[ConstipatedGorilla]

No kidding. People just love to hate everything.

[Bobby Kotex]

Geez has anyone here seen CoD on a PC in 1080p? It still looks like ass because the textures still look like a game from years ago. I can play Quake 1 in 1080p, yeah it looks awful by today's standards. Seriously CoD is a horrible selling point. In the end, who gives a crap.

[Bobby Kotex]

And of course I'm already voted down because you can't handle the truth. There's nothing worse than a Nintendo fanboy.

[Neonridr]

Black Ops 2 is using a modified engine. It looks nothing like the original id Tech 3 engine or whatever it was based off of. Sure it's no Frostbite 2.0 or CryEngine 3. The Unreal 3 Engine has been around forever and it's still modified to this date. Games like Gears of War 1 used UE3, as well as Gears of War 3. But games like Zumba Fitness also use UE3. You think those two look the same? :P

[WiiUalpha]

I voted you down over your childish name and also childish avatar. Sorry but it is childish and honestly pathetic that you need to act the way you do about someone you probably know nothing about but obviously you have some self esteem issues and making fun of others helps you deal with your own inadequacies.

BTW there is always something worse than a fanboy. Blind trolls like you are always worse. I'd prefer someone who is always positive and talks about what they enjoy than trolls whose lives are so empty they focus on things they hate and let it consume them.

[SegataShanshiro]

Ps3 brownies fanbois are way worse

[FunkMacNasty]

ps3 fanboys are THE worst, most whiny, most verbally assaultive of the gamer fanatics. Worse than Nintendo or MS Fanboys, and most times theyre even less reasonable than PC elitists.

Also people with usernames that play on brand names of feminine products are also pretty bad.

[CalvinKlein]

well ps3 and 360 cant even run COD in native 720P so this is a big step above our current "HD" consoles.

[teabag-nation]

Dont you worry man everythings going to be beautiful. So settle ddddddddown

[AtomicGerbil]

Just wow!

When's the next bus? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[ronin4life]

I don't know, but I can tell you one thing for sure:

You aren't getting off this planet in a bus...^_^;;

[ZoyosJD]

I don't know, maybe that zombie filled bus can teleport to the moon. :P

[stuntman_mike]

try the Cani-bus to amsterdam, i hear they get well high..

[AtomicGerbil]

If people can go orbital over higher screen resolution on a new system then I sure as hell can leave the planet in a bus, maybe even bareback on a giraffe.

Or alternatively, stuntman, tell me more about this Cani-bus, sounds like it could cushion the shame I'm experiencing being a gamer.

[stuntman_mike]

@flatbattery A friend of mine took a coach to Amsterdam to try out the local flora so to speak and they called it the cani-bus lol. I don't know if it was official but...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

[Bathyj]

Ok, seriously, whose actually whinging?

[Shok]

Some people in our YouTube gaming community:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ninjabake]

Hard8 complaining and whining is nothin new. he is a joke. Ill just be honest and say it. He used to be funny and entertaining but now he just wants to troll Nintendo since its the "cool" thing to do. 'Adult gamers' lmao he needs to cut it out with the foolishness and arrogance if you ask me but hey his audience eats that stuff up. To each his own.

[teabag-nation]

shut up Bobby Kotex, COD looks fine

[mshope10]

man I can't wait to play black ops 2 ,a.c.3.and zombiu in full 1080p HD at 60fps on my wii-u!and on 360 resident evil 6 this is going to be a great fall.

[Neonridr]

Absolutely. I have so many games to play for the Wii U when it launches, plus I have to squeak in some 360 games too.. Where will I find the time?? :P

[wnek9]

no we on pc have been playing in 1080p since cod 4 at 60fps :P

[Pandamobile]

The first COD was playable at 2560 x 1600.

[sandman224]

Haha! That's right full 1080p for the wii u version. I'm super excited that ill be back on the Nintendo game wagon! And if any of you cry babies don't like that, go F yourself!!

[Neonridr]

While this is great news for Nintendo owners, I honestly don't know why people are getting so angry about it. Honestly, PC users aside, I think they are just angry that until the next systems from Sony and Microsoft come along, Nintendo will have games that look prettier. Heaven forbid guys, your consoles are 6/7 years old, no surprise there that a console released today is more powerful. You still get to play your games on your system, don't worry. And yes, eventually the 720 and PS4 will come out and those too will do native 1080p as well. The world will be at peace..

[CBaoth]

But Nintendo themselves have some culpability in this alleged "controversy". As a PC gamer and someone whose livelihood who dependent on TVs, FullHD doesn't mean NATIVE resolution but rather simply filling pixels on 1920x1080 display.

HD is 720p, FullHD is 1080p, and UltraHD is anything over 1080p. They're marketing buzzwords conjured by TV companies to sell TVs to the masses. That's it. It CAN be upscaled.

The big N could've easily avoided all this confusion by using the words "natively rendered" in all the press events.

[mamotte]

The WiiU do something right: Outrage
The WiiU do something wrong: Outrage
The WiiU does nothing: Outrage
The WiiU does something neutral: Outrage.

It has been the same since the Wiiu was announced.

[tiffac008]

Yeah too much doom and gloom every time a console or handheld is announced, you think they want everything released by the Big 3 to fail or something.

[YoungPlex]

lol The Wii U can't do 1080p, "It's weak."
COD Black Ops is in 1080p, "Well, umm...., it better be!"

I swear fan-boy's are funny!

The Wii U is way more capable than all these launch title ports are capable of doing. Wait till they tap into that beautiful graphics processor....

[DivineAssault]

im waiting.. when i see that happen with a game i want, ill get one.. Lets see what new games achieve this level of graphical power outside of 1st party.. Heres one, ill give em that & if i liked COD, this would be a great start.. I hope i see it before its too late

[dennett316]

Define too late, as realistically, it'll be at least a year and a half before the "next gen" machines are out....possibly even two years if their current consoles have a strong Christmas.

And as a final note, since when are graphics everything? Some of the greatest games this generation have been indy titles while there's tons of mediocre dross released on 360 and PS3. Oh wait, they must be better as the have shinier graphics despite playing like crap....my mistake, I thought gameplay was all that mattered.

Uncharted 3, arguably the best graphics of this gen so far...4.58 million copies worldwide.
Super Mario Galaxy....10.27 million copies worldwide.

Whoops, oh well, looks aren't everything I suppose.

[Moonman]

Simple: I'm buying it on Wii U.

[mochachino]

Who was outraged? This site is a joke. I can't stand when these desperate phony 'journalists' make up issues.

[RevXM]

I know, I havent noticed much reactions from this.
But I do imagine that some will be mad about this.
The sweatiest and hardest og COD fangirls on either of the old consoles who happens to not want or like the WiiU just might be heard here and there.

I know what is next already, Black ops declassified outrage because its not coming to Ps3 and 360, WiiU or 3DS. LOL.

While not being exactly next gen since its pretty current gen-ish performance vice more so than Next gen Id expect the WiiU to have some perks over Ps3 & 360, but not like the games are going to be a fundamentally different from whats on Ps3 & 360.

[metroid32]

The wiiu can support CE3 and UE4 and every other powerful Nextgen engine confirmed so if you think ps4 games wont come to wiiu then your daft,plus with say an installed base of about 30 million by the time ps4 comes out if you think developers are going to ignore a DX11 comparable console with a new dx11 comparable console in the ps4 with zero installed base your dreaming.

This guy speaks alot of sense i think he is right the wiiu is nextgen and it does nextgen graphics and the cpu despite all the rumours is modern so more feature sets ect and it will be more powerful end of if you look at all the rumours its obvious it's 3/4 power pc cores with power7 features ie 32MB EDRAM.

[PersonMan]

Having more pixels in a game is not going to suddenly make it look better. It will still look like an old outdated engine.

I switch from PC to PS3 all the time and the resolution bump is hardly noticeable when you're playing the game. PLAYING THE GAME. Of course, if I sit there and stare at the screen and switch back and forth between the PS3 and PC, the PC looks crisper, but you generally don't have time to stop and count pixels while you're playing a game.

In motion, the game generally looks the same as it does on console.

Those of you expecting a huge difference because of 1080p are in for a surprise.

[CalvinKlein]

sorry bro, any game at a higher resolution looks better. Keep dreaming tho.

[PersonMan]

I'm sorry, but the same old crappy engine in 1080p is not going to suddenly look like Battlefield 3 or Crysis 2.

It's still going to look like the tired old Call of Duty engine.

[dennett316]

If they don't update the textures, it'll look little better than the 360 or PS3 versions. It will look more crisp by default, but a crisp shot of a muddy texture will still look like a muddy texture.

[HonestDragon]

First impressions are all good and well, but to criticize something that isn't out yet is ridiculous. Detractors of the Wii U more often than not give stupid, trivial reasons for why they hate it already.

"Bayonetta 2 is on Wii U? OMGWTFBBQ?! I love Bayonetta on my 360/PS3! I'm so not getting Wii U!"

"Another Mario and Zelda game? Gosh, can't they come up with anything new?!"

"The Wii was just for casuals and kids. How could the Wii U be any different, especially to the core gamer?"

You see, those are things I often hear. My responses to each of those.

"So, you're upset that Nintendo saved your beloved Bayonetta from possible extinction and they wanted it for the Wii U? That's business. Just because you loved Bayonetta and claim that it's your favorite game of all time doesn't mean that you are inclined to getting the Wii U."

"Of course there's going to be a Mario and Zelda game on there. Those are staple franchises in Nintendo. They sell very well. I don't know if you know this, but if something sells well, then there will usually be more."

"Chastising Nintendo for making the Wii affordable and approachable to people of all ages is not a bad thing. It's a business decision that made the Wii a highly sold console this generation. Why complain that other people now get something they can play more often?"

Use your common sense when declaring your hatred or criticisms of something. Actual good reasons I've seen from people who talk about the Wii U consist of "not being interested in the current line up of games" and "waiting until some current games are out before getting the Wii U". Instead of blasting it with hate, use your brain to think of something logical in why you don't want the Wii U.

[1upgamer99]

Thank God, I have been saying what this guy is for MONTHS. Still the Trolls argued and argued...and yeah we all know that PS4 and 720 will have more power than Wii U, but most games up until the last year and a half have not even used all of PS3's power. PS4 is about a year and a half away and so Is 720. SO this will give Nintendo time to make use of the added power of The Wii U...Looking at Metroid on the Wii,I can only imagine what Metroid Will look like On Wii U!

[metroid32]

Wiiu basically does 1080p/60fps on the best looking games out there get over it. Fifa13/BO2 say hello.

[RFornillos4]

i kinda understood how some people are upset about bayonetta 2 (except for the overzealous "kill" reactions to platinum games). but this one is just plain fanboyism stupidity.

like what mamotte said; whatever Nintendo does with Wii U, there will always be outrage. Outrage from fanboys. if you don't wanna buy a Wii U, fine, that's your choice. Yes, you'll miss the chance to play BLOPS2 in Full HD, but hey, once the next PS360 comes out, you'll most likely be running games in Full HD also; so no point really in bashing the Wii U, just because it runs BLOPS or future games in Full HD, jeez...

[Acadius]

People will rage against anything to feel some kind of self worth I suppose. I have no interest in purchasing a WiiU but I also think that buyers of that system will be getting their monies worth. These trolls are acting as if they have some kind of stock invested in the Nintendo competition and they'll lose money if Nintendo turns a profit.

[ginsunuva]

Soooo.... what about PC?

[Instigator]

I've never bought a CoD game before, and I don't think this will change that.

It's great for prospective buyers, though, and shows that the Wii U is a decent step up from current gen despite what some people say.

[yewles1]

ReviewTech got an article on N4G? OUTRAGE!!! XD

Seriously, the actual issue is with Activision PR. They made a comment about BO2WiiU being "Full HD" (which, going by their history, could mean a full 1280 x 720 for once on consoles), then flip flop to it being on par with other HD consoles...

http://www.vg247.com/2012/0...

What's the deal?

[Qrphe]

We honestly won't know until the game comes out. There is a chance that it isn't native 1080p after all just because of the history of such term.

[PopRocks359]

They didn't say it would be on par graphically. They said the experience would be on par. As a matter of fact in that same link the interviewee went on to specifically state that the Wii U version is "in full HD."

In other words, it's at a higher resolution than its dated HD console brethren. Get over it.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Is their any official confirmation that its running in 1080p? I ask because the term "Full HD" has been thrown around a lot this gen by devs as a marketing tool, but it doesn't always mean 1080p.

[DivineAssault]

Who the hell is mad? This system is brand effin new so it should run in 1080p 60fps.. @ the end of the day, its still COD & little has been improved graphically since last gen.. Resolution has nothing to do with graphics so higher res doesnt mean the textures & bump maps are any better.. COD could be 4k for all i care, still wont buy another one until the engine is remade.. I wonder how online communication works on wii u for this.. The gamepad speakers & mic? I hope theres not little kids being annoying making obnoxious noises from those little speakers.. n how well does the mic capture vocals? i need to see more about this thing & its network... & more games from 3rd party

[WiiUalpha]

Just like every PS3/360 game ran 720p at launch too right? Oh wait. They didnt do that. Took years to get them maxed at 720p.

When you show me proof of PS3/360 running a game and launching the browser or video chat without leaving the game completely I'll believe Wii U isnt as powerful but the fact that you can multi task while playing games the other 2 struggle at is proof enough it is the most powerful console today...

Yes when PS4/720 get announced blah blah. By the time Sony can afford to make another console we may see the Wii U2 and Sony will be back at the bottom again. If you can speak of unannounced console then why cant everyone else.. Oh and the Next Wii U will blow PS4 out of the water with 16gigs of RAM,8core CPU, blah blah etc etc etc.

You do not need to see any more. Anyone who knows you from your previous posts knows you will never change your mind. Hell just the other day you said Wii U sucked over some trivial rumor that was so trivial I cant remember it but it was an instant no buy for you... Oh the region locking. Yeah cause 1 console out of 15 not being region locked makes it the norm.

Seriously just look at this post.. You hope there are no kids..Why? Cause you cant hit ignore? You have some of the silliest and most childish reason to hate something than anyone I ever met. If my 8 year old nephew doesnt like something he can think of much better reasons than you can and he is only 8...

[YoungPlex]

LMFAO! WiiUalpha, well said!, I told you that people would notice all the trolling you do...

I agree with everything he said. The fact of the matter is this, if the Wii U isn't for you then stop trolling around and just come out and say it and stop posting nonsense on Wii U news and articles! You've made your point and dislike it, but trying to attack it based on rumors and such is pure trolling.

Anyway, 1080p 60fps is excellent news, and the fact that it's coming out the gate with that resolution and 60fps means that there's plenty of room for improvement. I can't wait to see what the second wave of games will look and play like. The Wii U will do things that we never imagined would be possible on consoles. Hell, it's already doing great things and innovating the way we play multiplayer games together...

[Kidmyst]

I guess I never heard there was outrage over this, and ask Why? So what if it was even capable of an output in 1080P 3D, that's great! I'll still be buying Black Ops for PC since I plan with a Clan but if WiiU can do this with a good frame rate, it'll just add pro's to if I will by Wii U. I don't plan to by at launch considering I did the Wii and after the luster wore off just sat, but will be watching the progress of the Wii U. I just see this as good news not outrage.

[edgeofsins]

The PS3 and Xbox could run it in 1080p. They just suck at developing games so it isn't optimized well and they don't put time into it.

[carlocgc]

when will people learn all consoles are inferior game machines PC > EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE. its like the 2nd 3rd and 4th places arguing who best. grow up, buy a PC or GTFO. anyone who has never played a PC and wants the next gen save up now and when next gen arrives you will have a PC that makes the PS4 look trivial.

[PurpHerbison]

This guy is complaining about people complaining. Well, if that is what you are into, check the attached video.

[Jason143]

Differnece. 1080p upscaled on 360 is just that an upscale. rendering at 1920x1080 internally is a huge difference over upscaling. This is why i prefer pc. I like the eye candy of higher internal resolutions. Good example is dark souls with the internal res mod/fix. rendering the game at 1920x1080 destroys the console port. I didnt see them stating it was rednered internally at 1080 but from what I do know is the wiiu can do dirctx 11 so this leads me to belive this is a tru internal render of 1920x1080. But it is COD ya know. not like were seeing huge tech etc. if they render at that and the textures are up to snuff meh

[FinalomegaS]

not sure but the people that are mad ( must be fans of... ____ system).

Maybe wait for Lens of truth to break it down for them.

Some people are more complaisant when they hear it from a respected gaming site that has the technology.

[PirateThom]

Oh no, a console is running a game at a higher resolution than another.

[CapsLocke]

1080p, on a tiny screen. What a joke.

You know, people buy 1080p TV's with 50 inches for a reason.

[Thepcz]

*bitter wii hater impression*

[Braid]

Why is that an issue? The game uses and archaic engine anyway, I'm more curious on how Wii U could handle Battlefield 3 at 1080p instead.

[mshope10]

the point is the last 6 years people said the ps3 and sometimes the 360 where the best system cause they had the best graphics with the best resolution. and that made them the best systems and everyone treated wii like garbage cause it wasn't HD even though it has many great games.

now wii u will have the best graphics and best HD resolution for at least a year and now everyone acts like the best graphics don't matter now that a Nintendo system will have it with good 3rd and 1st party support!

and as soon as ps4and the next Xbox come out people will say they are best systems because they have the best graphics.

and I can't wait cause it will show how fake the big crybaby hypocrite gamers on this site are. and how yinz will say whatever to make a system you don't own look bad cause your jealous punks cause it has nothing to do with you.

and the best part its already happening yinz are all ready saying graphics don't matter anymore! and wii u ain't even out yet.it shows what fake punks your are thank you!!

[1upgamer99]

The same people that are now saying "oh big deal nobody cares about 1080p and graphics" are the same ones who up until it was shown Wii U can do something PS3 can't (I wont even put Xbox360 in there as it is not as powerful as PS3)These are the are the people who INSISTED PS3 was still more powerful than Wii U would be. Now you can say yeah 720 and PS4 will be more powerful and I know they will,But 720 is 18 months away, that was just stated this week. PS4 could be even longer. Also the leap in Graphics this time around on 720 and PS4 are not going to be nearly as drastic as it was from Xbox to Xbox 360 or PS2 to PS3 Or even Wii to Wii U...It just plain and simple will not be the case. Look at Assassins creed 3 could it look better sure....But if made for PS4 instead of PS3 you would not see nearly the difference graphically as if it was made for PS2 and then the current version now for PS3.

[josephayal]

The WII U is a Powerful Machine, a Powerful Machine

[CYBERHATER]

Uh call me back when its higher than 1920 x 1080.

signed by a PC Gamer :)

[dennett316]

Oh you PC gamers and your multiple GPU setups and triple displays and 24 gig of memory when, realistically, games today really need only 8 gig at a maximum (and most don't even support that or even quad core cpu's never mind hex core).

Run along you little scamp and get back to spending thousands of dollars to play titles that console plebs play perfectly well for a fraction of that money.

My 560ti and 4gig of memory plays stuff fine at 1080p thanks without breaking the bank or having me compare my PC's dick to other platforms....but then again, I have perspective.

[Qrphe]

If you're a PC gamer yourself, why do you think PC gamers (in general?) would spend "thousands of dollars to play"?

[Menashe]

Come back when you have the Wii U Gamepad and console games.

[dennett316]

You know all this whining about power, it's not coming from anyone who is actually interested in the Wii U for what it offers. It's coming from single platform mush heads without two braincells to rub together.
Nintendo never once claimed the Wii U was going to be bleeding edge technology, it was always all about finding new ways to play single and multiplayer games with the combination of tablet and Wii controllers to provide differing experiences for players of all levels. They've finally entered the HD arena and have built a console of modest capability compared to what will come with Xbox and Sony. Thing is, Nintendo don't care, they've never bought into the graphical arms race, and their company is better off for it.
Sony barely have a pot to piss in after the PS3, and Microsoft's gaming division is only doing OK in the face of Nintendo's dominance....and I say this as someone who owns a 360 and PS3. For all the talk of the Wii selling no games, it sold over 800 million of the things compared to the just over 650 million of the 360 and PS3

All this whining and crying about power and spec is completely pointless as it's not - nor has ever been - what the Wii U was about. It's amazing the bile and vitriol that Nintendo have attracted with this console when they've kept to their own philosophy - which hasn't changed over the last decade - and have attempted to strengthen in the areas where countless people said they were lacking with the Wii....HD graphics, core game support and less focus on the more casual gamer. And yet they can still do no right in the eyes of many who find the stupidest reasons to complain. A cult favourite game was saved from the scrap pile by Nintendo to be an exclusive and a sign of a focus on the core gamer? How dare they, say the complainers....madness!

That people are this seemingly mad over a new console is really a sad indictment of gamer culture as a whole at the moment. It's focused on power and spec over what the consoles unique features can offer in terms of unique experiences that are different to the status-quo existing on the main consoles at the moment where every other game is a generic 3rd person shooter or grey FPS.

[LX-General-Kaos]

I really wish you had wrote this on the 1st page man

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I'm a big Nintendo fan and I have to say something important.

Gloating is obnoxious and it only reflects poorly on the fanbase as a whole. I especially don't like the childish use of the "U MAD" image. Take that juvenille crap back to 4chan where you found it.

In b4 a pimple faced teen says "hurr durr u mad!"

[FinalomegaS]

well said.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

...it's STILL only COD, who gives a flying f...

[Ricdog]

Good for Wii U owners and Nintendo in general. COD is the biggest franchise and its great that Nintendo owners will finally have the full experience (if not better, for now).

Lots of people hated on the Wii U just weeks ago, claiming it was just on par or hardly better than current gen. They were the ones comparing 7 year old tech vs the Wii U. But now that the facts have come out showing the Wii U to clearly be superior to any modern console, they are acting like they new all along the Wii U would be more powerful.

Basically a lot of N4G members here a bunch of coward flip-flopping rats. People who can't stick to their guns and just accept they were wrong (or right), but instead change their views to fit whatever they want.

And everyone knows that there is nothing worse in this world than a traitor. Worse than liers, worse than rapists, worse than murderes. Theres a reason why flip-flopping traitor rats are said to be banned to the lowest circle of hell.

[Ritsujun]

when was Wii U released? If it can't even do that, then i'd LMFAO

[NoTheMama]

Some ppl really need to get a life & not let these things get to you!
Im looking forward to the Wii U, getting one at launch

[AWBrawler]

How are we so sure PS4 will be more powerful? Sony never had a powerhouse console until this gen. Thats right, kids, Sony is not known for being the most graphically impressive. 1 gen doesn't change anything.

[chukamachine]

You won't see many in 1080p 60fps.

Most will be 720p 30fps.

Some will be 720p 60fps.

[AO1JMM]

Did your magic eight-ball tell you these things or do you just assume often?

[Nicolee]

he is Patcher !

[Enigma_2099]

Remember when people were satisfied with 8-bit games as long as they were good?

What have you become?

[AWBrawler]

those were the good old days. I blame the original XBox for this obsession with graphics that took off in the west

[AO1JMM]

CoD Blops 2 for Wii U it is then.

[ApolloTheBoss]

Lol that picture made me LMFAO.

[jaymart2k]

Wii U Xbox 720 combo next gen. Not agianst Sony, liked the PS3 but only find myself using it as a Blueray player.

Last game I bought for it was Twisted Metal.

[SlavisH2]

it suck because as a sony fan knowing the powerful ps3 cant even run it at 720p@60fps and a Nintendo product will do it at 1080p@60fps. That sucks

[SkullBlade169]

The PS3 isn't powerful anymore... It's 6 year old hardware, I would honestly be laughing if the Wii-U couldn't do better.

It kinda makes sense since it's from a generation later than the PS3's one...

[Tornadobounce]

Go Banana!

[HalfNerdHalfAmazing]

whiners stop your crying if it bother you that much than just buy a Wii u

[Kohven]

LOL. black ops.

[BrianC6234]

Why does anyone care about this? If it matters so much buy a Wii U and play that version. Do the graphics really matter that much when you're running around killing people?

[taquito]

wii u has 4x the ram, at least 2x the cpu and hopefully 6x the gpu, its gonna KILL ps3 360, those things are ancient relics

[Lucretia]

who cares if its 1080p? cod looks like crap no matter what system its played on

[PopRocks359]

So it's okay to slam Nintendo when you're under the distinct impression that the Wii U games don't support full HD 1080p but when it's actually confirmed to have that feature suddenly it doesn't matter?

Your hypocrisy is truly laughable.

[Lucretia]

????? i never said anything about the wii-u and 1080p.

its not a huge jump, even some ps3 games are 1080p, so obviously a more capable system should be able to do it.....stop putting words in my mouth

[Bladesfist]

COD in 1080p still looks a lot better than it in sub HD. It is nice to see you console gamers joining the HD party. I wonder when we see consoles at 1600p.

[Apex13]

Sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad.

Get over it and support the gaming industry. Otherwise just wait for the next instalment of MW or BO on the other systems which you prefer, but this needs to stop if it's true

[Dead_by_Dawn]

Blah blah blah goddamn, let the system come out first. So it can showcase its self, before this article triggers a stupid fanboy war. Needless to say, next gen consoles are right around the corner. Wait for your preferred console and give it your own review.

[Vip3r]

A next gen console can render games at a a higher resolution than 6 year old console can.

Mother of mercy, lets all sue Nintendo for doing something better than is currently possible with current console hardware...

[bangshi]

Ah cool, it runs at 1080p like the PS3 and Xbox 360, then!

Not confirmed yet if it is native 1080p. Until then, please remain seated.

If it is native, then, excellent.

[KontryBoy706]

Who cares about one console running a crap game in a higher resolution than another console runs the crap game? It's still the same low res outdated engine, with low res textures or none at all, weak filtering and pretty much now shadows. So.... It should be EASY to run such a game with a 6+ year old engine on newer hardware. Look at COD running on a high end PC. It still looks like the same outdated engine no matter the resolution. Run Half life 2 on a 2012 PC it still looks like it did back then not better.

[D0UbleF_]

First of all you forget one thing - This is NINTENDO.
Since when do they stand for innovation, crazy unique ideas and originality?
They suck out everything they can out of these old characters year by year and people keep buying the same old crap over and over again.

Now take a look at Apple - They've did EXACTLY the same thing Nintendo is about to do:
Release a device that has the same specs as this generation devices.
iPhone 5 is not better, not faster than Galaxy S3, Lumia 920,..... - It stands next to them it's even a little suckier.

Wii U will be next to PS3 and 360, just because Nintendo doesn't have a nextgen console yet.

Also Nintendo has to stop putting their nose into the nextgen - They seriously fail at it.
They really should be doing what they're really good at: Oldschool.
Let the big boys (PS3 and 360) play the Nextgen game.