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Gabe Newell Wants to Support Linux, Because Windows 8 is a ‘Catastrophe’

Kotaku - The head of Valve says his company is working to develop for Linux, calling Microsoft's Windows 8 a "catastrophe" that will lead product manufacturers to abandon the platform.

-Mezzo-4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Agreed.

I really hope the final Windows 8 release is much better than that preview we got.

darthv724284d ago

he will still support windows because he would be insane not to. Too much of a risk at profit loss to simply turn your back to it.

RememberThe3574284d ago

Windows yes, but will he support Windows 8? He could hold off on it and the Steam loyal would probably do the same. I don't see why he has to support Windows 8 at launch when most people wont have it yet.

ChiVoLok04284d ago

Besides, I don't want linux to go mainstream because that means more viruses and stuff.

morganfell4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Viruses? You don't really know much about Linux, do you.

Do you believe that people will start writing viruses for it and ruin your experience? See comment one. Going back to the core construction of linux and how it processes it is possible but wholly more difficult.

And would you prefer to keep paying money for an OS, or would you rather have a gaming OS that upgrades itself every 6 months and is free. Yeah, free.

jimbobwahey4284d ago

@RememberThe357

People buy new computers all the time. I'm not sure on the exact numbers of PC sales per month, but I'd imagine it's a very high number that's significantly greater than the sales of consoles. Pretty soon, all new computers will come with copies of Windows 8 pre-installed (unless they already do?) which will expand the user base by crazy huge amounts.

That's not to say everybody who buys a new PC will be using Steam of course, but I doubt Gabe will simply ignore the OS either.

blackbeld4283d ago

Guys,

Its KOTAKU again. BAN them forever!

nukeitall4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

Gabe Newell knows Windows is their lifeblood, and that Windows 8 with it's own app marketplace might just displace Steam.

That is why Valve is so upset and therefore is supporting Linux. There is zero possibility that Windows 8 will, simply because it is the de-facto standard. Every new computer will come with it.

Apart from that, Windows 8 is a freaken great product. I'm typing on Windows 8 right now and my old trusty Thinkpad is the fastest it has ever been!

I'm still discovering a lot of the features, but the metro start page makes searching a snap. Faster than Win Vista or Win 7.

@morganfell:

You do know that Mac OSX is built on BSD that is now facing security issues due to it's popularity. Linux is very similar to BSD Unix and I have no doubt it will face the same issues if it ever reaches the same level of popularity.

As a server OS it too faces security issues all the time. I have to constantly patch our CentOS and Ubuntu servers.

sikbeta4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

He wants to support Linux because he can make money there as well, I'm OK with this, can't wait to play my Steam Games on Ubuntu :D

ziggurcat4283d ago

@ morganfell:

free =/= good. linux is garbage for the very reason that there is absolutely no decent software available, and i don't know why people praise it so much.

the only rip off, as far as paying for an OS goes, is buying windows. OSX is typically ~$30 (often free, depending on the time you purchased your mac), unless you're too cheap to pay that much for an OS?

Ares84HU4283d ago

And he will also apologize for this as well.

He called the PS3 the same thing a few years back too.

Just wait and see.......

Gabe Newell, I really have no respect for this guy.

sjaakiejj4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

ziggurcat

Software Support =/= A good operating system.

Many of the linux distributions are far more efficient than Windows, and that's without even mentioning far better stability and ease of development. When's the last time you have heard of a Blue Screen of Death on Linux? Or anything equivalent? How about viruses? How many can you name for Linux that install themselves?

Did you know it's a lot easier to develop on and for Linux, than it is to develop on and for Windows? Did you also know that the only reason that Linux doesn't have more software is because of its smaller user base?

Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all. I've been using Linux for years, and the only reason I haven't made a full switch yet is because of games.

As an aside - to say that there's no decent software available for Linux is either a deliberate lie or incredibly ignorant.

Diver4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

ziggurcat enjoy websurfin an games when the best solid servers are linux.

bsd is from Unix but Linux is from minix an steam is targeting ubuntu which is debian.

also you need to understand the diff between a kernal an a os cause your broad statement ignores it an so it is misleading. an bsd doesn't upgrade tech like linux. on the surface your comment looks true but peeps that live in the linux/bsd world know it only holds up on the surface.

also if you think linux is garbage and no good software is available it just proves you don't know anything about linux.

oh look i live in a little bitty hole an never experience the big ole world. an to some peeps above you can write a virus for a wind up watch but like linux its just a lot harder.

@sjaakiejj above bubbles dude. excellent remarks.

Autodidactdystopia4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

Win 98 SE that is

as a Mast-Tech Those good-ol usb drivers work miracles.

I personally hated 95 and 98 once they fixed it with SE I was happy.

2000 = Ok os ME was HORSE crap.

xp=Good after sp2

Vista still behaves as if every piece of code for the gui weighs 10 kilos. 7 came out of vista with a much lighter GUI in terms of optimization. Very good OS as of right now.

I HATE WINDOWS 8 It is a F%^*&NG Tablet os, retrofitted with a non functional desktop. M-KB is the best way to get all media work done. Using the touch interface is for USERS who dont do anything more than browse the web, using fat sausage fingers to retype everything they mispelled in the address.

MICROSOFT DAMMIT THATS WHY WE DONT USE FINGERPAINTS FOR FINE ART,touch isn't the end all be all and MSFOOT is giving up the one market they dominate, in order to look hip; the business market.

SH^&TY a$$H0135 are ruining what they have in order to try to appeal to APPLES/Phone customers.

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3GenGames4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

I agree too. BUT....

...the main linux distro Ubuntu (as of 11.04) is trying to use Unity as the main UI. Unity is also a catastrophe, in bugs AND it just being a terrible interface. 10.04 (GNOME) for life.

Qrphe4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

The most popular Linux distro has been Linux Mint for 2 years now.

adamant7154284d ago

Have you even used 12.04? It's honestly not THAT bad. And keep in mind the whole concept of Unity is only about 2 years old; hardly enough time to develop a fully functional and perfect desktop. So I highly suggest you keep your mind open and actually TRY each release. Whether you like it or not, it IS getting better.

shadow27974284d ago

Hey, that means we can use Steam on our PS3's using the Other OS function!

Oh wait...

Just kidding ;)

sjaakiejj4283d ago

Solution: Use the gnome fallback. It's incredibly easy to do so, and there's loads of guides that tell you how if you don't know yourself - it's copy paste.

3GenGames4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

Oh no I know how to use the gnome fall back, I just hate the OS includes it in general. Unity is a terrible interface, especially when you're a programmer like me and want to get to your programs quickly. It adds more clicks, takes Much more CPU than 10.04 with GNOME, and it just over all bad.

And before I was too into Ubuntu, the 11.04 version with Unity is what I started on. I eventually went to the "no effects" mode on boot up hoping it would make it more stable and run better on my laptop, and boy did it. It was my first experience with GNOME, and it was great. Why they would ever change is beyond me, especially since my opinion is the common one with Ubuntu users. Unity sucks. Unity takes too much RAM. Unity is not needed, OR wanted. Unity is unproductive. Unity won't run on my P4 computer AND my AMD x64 with a 4250 mobile like 10.04. Unity is terrible over all to use and run. It sucks. You act as if I tried it for a day and said screw it. Nah,I used it for about a week, maybe a little more like 9 days. If I didn't discover the gnome shell after they pulled unity over my eyes, I'd not be using Ubuntu today. Hell, I'm on Ubuntu right now too.

And that is true mint has been the most liked. It is only because 11.04 with Unity hit and everybody ran. I have yet to try it, but plan to. I just need a computer to put it on. :)

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ArmrdChaos4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Seems that Microsoft is on a every other cycle.

ME - Crap
XP - Great
Vista - Crap
Windows 7 - Great
Windows 8 - Possibly Crap
Windows X - Hopefully learn leasons from 8 if crap.

I think Windows 8 will be a great OS for touch devices but I already dislike the non-desktop feel...even when you try to tweek it to look like windows 7.

BitbyDeath4284d ago

Yep, goes back further as well.

Windows 95 - Good
Windows 98 - Crap
Windows 2000 - Good

Transporter474284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

windows 98 was actually good and there wasn't a good windows until windows XP

nukeitall4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

People say various versions of Windows was crap, and I used them all since the Win 3.1 days including Windows 3.11 for Workgroup until todays Windows 8.

All of them was pretty damn good experience for me compared to the competition at the time.

People often say stuff is crap, but they almost never say why. I would like to hear why people think certain OS are crap?

Personally, Windows 8 for me personally and I have been using it as my daily and only OS since March, and it is by far the best OS I used thus far.

The Metro screen is the fastest I have been able to access what I need. I love the taskbar with the pinning. The OS is also highly responsive, and my only gripes are slightly confusing Metro vs Desktop app start, and the lack of on-screen tutorial. Then again, I'm using a beta!

I would like to hear what is wrong with Windows 8 beyond, it just plain sucks!?

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

false.. Win8 > win7.. Use it yourself and hop off the damn ban wagon..

Why would Gabe like win8??
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That is what he doesn't like it. And M$ will market the sh!t out of it.

Window 8 bandwagon is similar to saying "Kony 2012!!"

from article:
"I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market."

and go where? They are not leaving windows.

"Newell also talked about touchscreens, calling them "short-term" and saying he thinks the future of interaction will be through computerized wristbands."

It sounds like Gabe is losing his mind..

Tablet > wristband.

BitbyDeath4284d ago

@Nukeitall,

I didn't like Windows 98 and ME cause they were unstable and froze a lot and i often had to rebuild numerous times on both OS's. 98SE fixed up a few of the issues with 98 though.

Vista started out not supporting much of anything hardware wise (fixed overtime) and was overrun with horrid security rules. Try click something and it'll ask if you're sure, it also had it's own stability issues and ate tons of memory just running the simplist of tasks. (Like anything)

Along comes Windows 7 and all that got resolved.

Windows 8 is looking a lil scary cause the 'Start' button is gone, that horrid menu system from the new Office is in Explorer and Metro is as i'm told not very flexible.

TopDudeMan4284d ago

Sticking with windows 7 for the foreseeable future. I mean even when vista came out, XP was still very well supported.

Arksine4284d ago

@nukeitall

I'll tell you what is wrong with Windows 8 for desktops. The metro interface is essentially a fullscreen start menu. That is a terrible idea, because it takes you away from your work. It also gets cluttered easily if you install a lot of applications. You mention Windows 3.1, Metro on the desktop is essentially a step backwards towards 3.1. Finally, Metro is clearly an avenue for MS to push advertisements to the desktop.

Accessing computer management takes longer. Hotcorners are annoying, most would prefer to click on an actual icon. There is no quick way to exit metro apps, you have to bring up the app drawer to do it. Hell, there isn't even an easy way to shutdown or reboot without creating your own shortcuts.

Win8 will be good for tablets and the laptop/tablet hybrids, but its a disaster for desktop power users, and it will be until MS bypasses metro and restores start menu functionality.

extermin8or4284d ago

with tthe preview you just click the desktop button and it looks like normal windows, although I despise the startbar function and that awful menu...

nukeitall4283d ago

@BitbyDeath:

"I didn't like Windows 98 and ME cause they were unstable and froze a
lot"

and Win 95 did not?

"Vista started out not supporting much of anything hardware wise (fixed overtime) and was overrun with horrid security rules."

I actually use that on any Vista computers I'm on. It doesn't ask very often, but try using Ubuntu. Instead of clicking, it will ask you to type in your password repeatedly!

"Windows 8 is looking a lil scary cause the 'Start' button is gone, that horrid menu system from the new Office is in Explorer and Metro is as i'm told not very flexible."

Perhaps you should use it yourself with an open mind, and you will find it is pleasant. It's usually people resisting change complaining, just how they complained about Vista. As soon as MS changed the name to Windows 7 and put a new coat paint on it, it was all of a sudden great!

But you are entitled to your opinion and I appreciate you giving reasons, even though I don't agree with them.

@Arksine:

"I'll tell you what is wrong with Windows 8 for desktops. The metro interface is essentially a fullscreen start menu."

Are you saying it is distracting you from your work? or are you saying, because you can't look at other parts of the screen while you start another application?

"You mention Windows 3.1, Metro on the desktop is essentially a step backwards towards 3.1."

In what way is it a step backwards? For me, it's a huge step backwards and I always wondered why they didn't do this sooner. It's freaken great!

"There is no quick way to exit metro apps, you have to bring up the app drawer to do it."

You don't "exit" a metro app, you switch to another one. Just hit the Windows button and start another app, similar to how you do it on iOS. Once you switch the app is suspended and will automatically shut down when needed to.

"Hell, there isn't even an easy way to shutdown or reboot without creating your own shortcuts."

Use the sidebar, hit setting, power and choose your option. In old Windows it was, start -> shutdown arrow -> shutdown mode. Both options require 3 clicks.

If you don't like the new Windows, then fine, but what you describe seems like wrong use of Windows 8.

sjaakiejj4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

nukeitall

"I would like to hear why people think certain OS are crap?"

I think all versions of Windows are crap.

They're unstable, convoluted, difficult to develop for, incredibly slow to use, inefficient, need a regular re-install, they force a Graphical Interface on you (as the command line is terrible), it's the worst operating system when it comes to security due to the way they're structured, they're expensive, installing and removing software is more difficult than it should be, the scripting functionality that they provide is atrocious, and they pretty much force everyone to use DirectX.

And now on Windows 8 they also force you to use Windows Marketplace and Xbox Live, neither of which I have any interest in using.

And yes, all of these reasons have affected me.

BitbyDeath4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

@nukeitall, i'm not seeing anything on Windows 8 worthy enough to leave Windows 7 for.

Everything so far looks negative (IMO) and there is still nothing wrong with 7 in order to leave it in the first place.

ArmrdChaos4283d ago

ME and Vista were both unfinished versions of XP and Windows 7 respectively. They were rushed to market to create a revenue stream...nothing more. I had to support both ME and Vista for work, side work, and personal use. They both were driver hell and bug ridden. Sure… later patches may have made some things better, but by then that ship had already sailed. The jury will be out on Windows 8 for a while. Maybe I will get used to it, but for now I am too used to Windows 7. I would have appreciated a Windows 7 desktop appearance setting for Windows 8. MS can’t just assume people are going to change overnight just so that they can force adoption of a single OS model similar to iOS.

Autodidactdystopia4283d ago (Edited 4283d ago )

windows 8 will fail.

time to try something else MS

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Actually windows 8 is awsome sorry. Gabe really mean. "We don't like M$ store & xbox live on screen"

Windows 8 is 90% the same thing as windows 7.. seriously I have beem using it for 1 month! Everything is better! Use it yourself don't steamgasm over what Gabe says. But I do like linux!

Bigpappy4284d ago

Gabe thinks M$ is trying to take away from Steams. And he may be right. But from a customer prospective, I think Windows 8 will be a huge success. I also think Steams will survive the Xbox intergration.

portal_24284d ago

My only gripe is why is it called Xbox live on 8? Shouldn't it be Windows Live (messenger I know) or some derivative seeing as it's not actually an Xbox. That's the only crazy move I see. A unified name amongst all devices would be better.

Mikefizzled4284d ago

Portal_2 It sounds like your trying to describe the Games for Windows Live service that Microsoft have. Which I believe was unfairly scrutinised and now has had all of its games integrated into Steam such as GTA IV, AoE Online and Microsoft Flight.

Megaton4284d ago

@Portal_2 - They're going to use the XBL name instead of Games for Windows Live because that name is poisoned. They've tried to relaunch it several times and PC gamers still despise it. They're hoping to bring some Xbox gamers over with the name change.

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ATi_Elite4284d ago

Every other Windows OS SUCKS! Win7 is great so Win8 will totally blow chunks. I'm stickign with 7 until something better comes out.

anyway Not just Valve but PC Gaming as a whole is slowly moving away from Windows PERIOD!

Devs want to get rid of the DirectX Api and just program directly on the GPU. The New "EFI BIOS" ( Extensible Firmware Interface) hopefully is a micro step towards that direction.

I wanna be able to just turn on my PC, see a list of games in Bios and boot directly into them and then load a OS into another screen if i need a OS running for other task.

Devs programming directly on the GPU/CPu would allow for greater optimization, Graphical Power, and greater game design instead of dealing with DIrect X or OpenGL limitations and flaws.

Aggesan4284d ago

Without an api like directx or opengl every single model of gpu would need its own coding. Gpu api's are what makes it possible to make major releases to windows as a platform.

Baka-akaB4283d ago

Win 8 is pretty much an optimized 7 . The point that strikes discord is the metro UI , wich you can easily avoid so far .

I know it blows for those that prefer their start menu , i dont use start menu a lot to begin with , as i've got the habit of simply using tabs for shortcuts .

And so far , that metro crap is just a full screen start menu wich is quick to access in & out .

The moment microsoft decides to just let people keep the classic start menu , if they want to , things will quiet down

Persistantthug4283d ago

ATi_Elite said,
"Devs programming directly on the GPU/CPu would allow for greater optimization, Graphical Power, and greater game design instead of dealing with DIrect X or OpenGL limitations and flaws."
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Kinda sounds like you want what the consoles have.

Guwapo774284d ago

Good luck with your user base Gabe!

chukamachine4284d ago

He said they should(ms) do a do over.

r1sh124284d ago

@Mezzo..
There are definitely not quite up to scratch, but I personally like windows 8 so far.
I do hope it gets much better too

omi25p4283d ago

Dont forget this is coming from the guy who said he hated the PS3 and thought it was a failure. Then a few months later was on the PS3 stage at E3 announcing Portal 2.

What Gabe Newell says and what Gabe Newell does are to completely different things.

BinaryMind4283d ago

Here we go again, Gabe.

I now await the day Gabe eats his words once again after Windows 8 Service Pack 3.

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Mustang300C20124284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Yeah good luck with that. With no substance to his comment I chalk it up as hype for his business strategy. Been hearing the same thing overthe years about the end of Windows. Linux in the forefront. Same story different day new OS and the best he comes up with is hyping Linux to move his products to the platform. Is this what they been busy doing vs getting Half Life episode 3?

Emilio_Estevez4284d ago

The link about windows 8 is scary....I pretty good with Linux as is, that could be the final straw for windows and me.

Snookies124284d ago

I'll just stick with Windows 7 lol.

BitbyDeath4284d ago (Edited 4284d ago )

Agreed, Windows 7 is awesome.

helghast1024284d ago

I would rather not give Shitaku a hit.
Can someone post a source, or the part of the article that matters?

iNFAMOUZ14284d ago

i never hit the links, free hits for childish journalism? heck nooooo

pixelsword4284d ago

I used to do that, but I kept on getting my posts erased, although mos of the "journalists" on N4G basically do the same thing when they copy and paste info from another source onto their own website.

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Gabe Newell ordered to make in-person deposition for Valve v. Wolfire Games lawsuit

Valve CEO Gabe Newell has been ordered to attend an in-person deposition regarding an antitrust lawsuit filed by Wolfire games.

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RhinoGamer88142d ago

Gabe must leave the billionaire's castle?!

Gamingsince1981142d ago

It costs a lot to air lift him out the roof.

mkis007142d ago

I dont think hes nearly big enough for that joke.

mastershredder142d ago

Big deal. He has to give a deposition i. person wowie. He requested to it remotely because you CAN request this and this is common as F especially with heads from larger companies being involved. Next.

Fist4achin142d ago

Antitrust. 3 Ts. HL3 confirmed.

mkis007142d ago

Ah the first one in years as i said a few days ago. Thanks for breaking the streak.

TheColbertinator142d ago

If he can announce Left 4 Dead 3 after going to court, that would make us all happy

MrBaskerville141d ago

Maybe he'll announce it in court

cammers1995141d ago

"if we could get left 4 dead 3 sometime after Gabe leaves court that would make me SOOOO happy" - Craig, south park.

anast141d ago

This dude needs a leopard print robe and some platinum chains.

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Valve President Gabe Newell Emphasizes On Half-Life’s Delay

Valve recently released its 25th anniversary documentary on Half-Life where Gabe Newell emphasized why delaying the game was important.

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RhinoGamer88151d ago

I am shocked Gabe is still with us. Absolutely expected a widowmaker heart attack to take him out years ago. He never took care of himself. Hope for the rest of us?

Jin_Sakai151d ago (Edited 151d ago )

Why bring this to anyone’s attention? It’s his life and he could outlive any of us for the matter.

Reminds me of a story where an old lady had two doctors tell here that if she didn’t quit drinking Dr. Pepper it was going to kill here. And she lived to tell the story of how she’s 104 years old and that both doctors had died.

RhinoGamer88151d ago

He is very wealthy and has not used that wealth for charity (that I know of) and has used it for excess. Also, he seems obstinate and defiant to the pleading and wishes of his fanbase. So not someone to hold up in super high esteem.

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Fist4achin150d ago

Was Dr Pepper one of their names?!

specialguest150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

@RhinoGamer88 - who the hell are you to say how he should use his wealth?? You don't know his personal life and what he's done. Not all good deeds are announced out loud to the world. Get off your high-horse. You don't have to be wealthy to give back, so what have you done to help the world?

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Si-Fly151d ago

Do you make a point of letting everybody know you give to charity? I certainly don’t, it would be pretty gross. You have no idea about what Gabe does with his money, like you said.

shadowknight203150d ago

Your 1 of those people walking on the street with a surveillance camera showing you pass by while someone is getting robbed, just watching and moving along. You need help.

OtterX151d ago

Well it's staying true to its name, bc it's taking half my life to see a proper sequel.

Yui_Suzumiya149d ago

I'm gonna have to write that one down, lol

Godmars290151d ago

And yet even with multiple delays, nowadays there's no guarantee that a game will being functional.

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Senator Asks Gabe Newell Why Steam Hosts So Much Neo-Nazi Content

New Hampshire Senator Maggie Hassan sent Valve a letter decrying the vast amount of white supremacist imagery in its user generated content and community spaces.

blackblades488d ago

I would like a response from him, they should crack down on that to an extent. If they supporting that crap get rid of it of its killing Nazi I'm down with that.

SullysCigar488d ago

Like the Azov Regiment that our taxes are supporting?

Nazism has always provided us with cannon fodder in games, but I don't expect COD will tackle that particular hot potato any time soon.

blackblades488d ago

Oh y'all love the racism dont yall,

just_looken486d ago

@black

How about pro communism then? or pro french? or pro British? heck why not pro steam 19th century American games?.

Every country in some form of extent had its genocide and or racism period's some still are its part of history and one of humanity's flaws.

We should be teaching everyone though media about universally adapting equality though education and reform heck skim off the trillion-airs/billionaires for starters they can support the education bill.

but na its one week pro this next week anti that all the dam time.

PaulFiend486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

Stop spreading russian-nazi propaganda.

SullysCigar486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

^ @PaulFiend, sadly it's an unwelcome fact. I understand your cognitive dissonance. You can be opposed to the Russian invasion, but also recognise that these neo nazis have/had power.

It's acknowledged in every facet of the media - left, right or centric, social media, Wikipedia, everywhere - and not a fact check in sight, because unfortunately it's the truth.

If you want a link, pick your poison: CNN, The FT, The Independent, Fox News... Even Zelensky has acknowledged this in mainstream news interviews, because the Azov Battalion flag and the soldiers being covered in swastika tattoos made it unavoidable.

Conversely, I'm happy for you to fact check me. I'm just saying things aren't quite as black and white as we'd prefer them to be. I am as anti-war as anyone else here - it's disgusting.

EDIT @Below: stop putting words in my mouth. I think the muck should have been cleared out first and THEN whatever necessary action should be taken to secure the region. This includes using tax payer money from the West.

And, while we're at it, we should help the Syrians too. Those people are suffering unimaginably right now.

Killer2020UK486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

If they're getting funded it's by proxy of funding Ukraine to fight off an invasion of their country by Russia. The fact you lead with the old tax line implies you think public money shouldn't be spent on defending a democratic nation in Europe who's existence or potential eradication would have serious ramifications for the rest of the Western world. Thinking it's a waste of money is a good way of showing you don't know jack shit about foreign policy and the consequences of getting it wrong. Honestly, you may as well be cosying up to Iran who let me tell you, do not care for you or your country.

Why have you always got to be an edgelord Sully? It's an article about Steam FFS. Why being this irrelevant whataboutery to the comments section?

Father__Merrin486d ago

Absolutely Ukraine has always had a nazi supremisism problem. And now we have to support them guess what I don't.... All azov aidar Stephen bandera followers are scum, its not Russian propaganda it's actually real if you start to look into it. So this alleged senetor first has to question supporting fascists of Ukraine before pointing his nose towards steam

Killer2020UK486d ago

Maybe you should lead with those views first then instead of solely your concerns about tax payers money going to neo nazi groups. I think you have to be more aware of what you imply when making those statements. Nobody else here knows the context you hold in your head, just you. We have to go by what you write exclusive of your intentions.

Killer2020UK486d ago

Let's not overlook the neo Nazi groups fighting for Russia if we're getting onto this topic...

Zombieburger638486d ago

Maybe you should go visit the torture chambers the Russians use on civilians. Including women and children.

GhostTurtle486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

You folks denying the Azov Regiment need to get off social and mainstream media and do some goddamn self research....

@Killer
When has our tax dollars gone and supported said neo nazi groups in Russia?

Huey_My_D_Long486d ago

I don't like the Azov battalion and yes ukraine has a problem with racism...
But Putin Invading Ukraine for that reason is like if we invade Mexico for police brutality...
Alot of the east European continent is pretty racist, ukraine, Russia.Putin
Doesn't validate a invasion

Majin-vegeta486d ago

Lol the azov regiment is not Nazi affiliated.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

fr0sty486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

That's like suggesting that if we get invaded, our allies should wait until they've cleared out our white supremacist problem before they offer us any help... You stop genocidal slaughter by the invaders first, then you focus on weeding out the crap. These aren't nazis we're giving weapons to, who are using those weapons to further their ideology. These people are fighting for their lives...

Not even Putin could stick to the Nazi distraction, he's had to give up using that as justification for his war... The only purpose it currently serves is to further this genocide by discouraging people from supporting the innocent civilians who couldn't care less about the Azov Regiment's questionable connections to neo-nazis... Our citizens would deserve such help even if Britain's media started singling out members of our special forces troops who were white supremacists... or bringing up the white supremacist ties some members of a certain political party have... we are in no place to point fingers there, we have them among our ranks as well... and while I do think that any further help with rebuilding after the war should be contingent upon them weeding out such corruption, as long as they are under attack, they need our help.

Guitardr85485d ago

@Just_Lookin...there's a big difference between the the Nazis and the other things you listed. By saying pro British or Pro France I can't tell if youre referring to the country as a whole or specific times in their history like colonial England or revolutionary France. If it's the former, comparing a politic movement against an entire country really isn't apples to apples. Secondly, while you're absolutely right that a lot of course tries have had bad examples in their past, Nazi Germany is something that still carries a lot of weight with the alt right political people today. It's still a dangerous entity itself and needs to be contained, especially when we are seeing so much of the same kind of hatred and bigotry that allowed it to take root in the first place. As Im sure you know, Hitler was elected as Chancellor in Germany before he dissolved the Weimar...

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CrimsonWing69486d ago

If you start this it’s open season on anything.

Killer2020UK486d ago

What are you advocating then? That you don't fund Ukraine at all because there are neo Nazi militias also fighting against the Russians? I don't know about you but the best place for neo Nazis I can think of is on the front line where they'll likely serve a purpose and be decimated in the process.

SullysCigar486d ago

It's interesting how quick you are to fill in the blanks and decide other peoples' opinions are morally dubious, right before advocating killing human beings.

The best place for a neo nazi is jail. The front line is not the best place for anyone, because war is pointless to all but the elite few profiteering from it.

Panhandler486d ago

You advocating for the murder of a person for their ideologies opens the door for the polar opposite of the Ideology you're wanting to kill. Here we go, the opposite of National Socialism is Communism. Since the Communist Bolsheviks of Russia killed upwards of over 60 million Christians from 1917 to 1954. That's not even bringing up Mao in China. From the Bolshevik Revolution to the Armenian Genocide to the Holodomor Holocaust. So who was behind the mass killing of Christians?

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." "The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."

History you have been removed from 109 countries over 300 times. The only European country not to Exile Jews was the Netherlands because when Jews moved there in the 1600's the Dutch used Jews slave knowledge in South Africa. Which almost all slave ships were Jewish owned. You're history's greatest slave traders, being able to move between both Christian and Muslim countries. The Jewish Golden age was during the African Moors occupation of Western Europe for a 400 years. Where they Dominated the slave trade. 

If not for the Reconquista they would have taken more land and finally was expunged during the Spanish Inquisition. Which made Jews move to Brazil which has one of the largest Jewish populations. This is why 95% of all African Slaves during the slave trade years went to Brazil. But most died due to the extreme conditions their masters put them through.

Albert Pike Jewish Mason and Confederate General was the founding father of the KKK.

The Blood Libel the ancient past time where Jews drain the blood of Christian babies to create matzah bread. The old tell that started Dracula
Also in Bram Stokers 1931 film Dracula  Bela Legosi wore the Star of David. Which is the star of David is Moloch symbol and Moloch was the Pagan God of child sacrifice.... Now the Masonic Secret Societies do this same thing but it's called adrenochrome.

"A Jew will always tell you what happened to him, but he'll never tell you why" - Old Arab Proverb

Look into how Nathan Rothchild took control of the England's Money after the battle of waterloo. Or how they took control of America with the federal reserve. Wars give Bankers power. Jews Control every Faucet of Life. Banks, Media, Entertainment so on.

SullysCigar486d ago

Thanks for that interesting synopsis. It's nice to read something thought-provoking from someone who has bothered to do their research, rather than just get attacked for saying an unpopular truth.

I believe the people Oudendyke was referring to in the quote you shared was the Askenazis / Khazarians.

The symbolism you mentioned was interesting too, and that's another element that exposes the Azov Regiment (even after their 2014 'rebranding').

blackblades486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

Wow nice text book, I forgot to add killing Nazis in a video game only. I dont wanna see any kind of these nazi, Nazi supporting group bundle in a place where they dont belong. They dont belong on steam or anywhere else. If its a game on steam that lets you kill nazis I'm down for. In here sounds like y'all support these racist fools.

AirRevenant486d ago

The downvotes here show how much Nazis are desperate for safe spaces, and how much N4G is one of those safe spaces.

Panhandler486d ago

You're Ignorance is abundant

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CDbiggen487d ago

I've never seen this neo-nazi content

Fonsecap487d ago

Neither did I, maybe it's there if you look for it but not if you do normal browsing...

CantThinkOfAUsername486d ago

There were a few groups and community pages that were neo-Nazi, however, Steam purged them a while ago.

REDDURT486d ago

Even mainstream media did a story on the Nazi problem in Ukraine before the war. I believe it was msnbc or cnn.

Father__Merrin486d ago

They all did every single one. But now all of a sudden Ukraine is a beacon of democracy and filled with angelic beings so we have to wave yellow blue flags. I've been following news on telegram and not tiktok, its clear who Ukraine are, I do feel sorry for the ordinary Ukraine folk though. The worst is what those scum did to a women in Mariopul and engraving nazi symbol on her stomach western media was coming out with shock horror but once it was known it was an abandoned kraken division area the media never mentioned it again.

Keep the Kaliber's rolling

Panhandler486d ago

How about the Communist problem in America

XiNatsuDragnel487d ago

From my experience I haven't seen neo-nazi content but idk tho.

DrDoomer487d ago

Ask that senator what she thinks about the actual nazis in ukraine that the US is funding, arming and training.

PaulFiend486d ago

That is a lie, you don't know what you talking about, you only repeat russian-nazi bullshit propaganda.
The US helps the people of Ukraine to get rid of russian agression, russia murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians already and continue to do so as we speak. Ukrainian military are heroes and defenders of their homeland.

DrDoomer486d ago

lmfao! The irony is so brutal that I legit can't tell if you're trolling.

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mudakoshaka486d ago

Ukraine is one if not the most corrupt countries in the world. That's a fact. All Western money being sent there is going to criminals, corrupt politicians, and nazis...all a fact!

GhostTurtle486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

Do some self research bro. Stop getting your news from Facebook...

LoveSpuds486d ago

The irony of Americans commenting on racism and corruption in other nations is just mind blowing to me

Crows90486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

You don't know what you're talking about either. Ukrainians have oppressed and killed thousands of Russians living in Ukraine....there ...as you can see nobody has the full picture.

There's more nuance to history than you think. Certain areas of Ukraine used to belong to Russia. Those same areas are full of Russians that aren't treated particularly well.

Not claiming to know the kns and outs of it all. But clearly it's much more complex. War and loss of lives is never a good thing...lose lose situation.

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MadLad486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

This comment is so ridiculous I don't even know how to properly respond to it.

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I'll get right on that.
In the meantime maybe you should look into anger management sessions. Maybe find a good psychiatrist.

DrDoomer486d ago

You could start by getting out of your little fantasy bubble and go look into the subject matter, and find out that we, in fact, do not live in a Hollywood movie.

Killer2020UK486d ago

Ask that senator what she thinks about the actual Nazis in the US. All countries have shitty elements to them, it's not exclusive to Ukraine. There are neo Nazis fighting for Russia, why are you forgetting about them?

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DrDoomer486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

nazis in Russia and the US are seen as misguided fools and are frowned upon by society. Nazis in ukraine (especially on the west side) are seen as heroes. You have parents proudly posting on social media how they indoctrinate their children into being stepan bandera worshippers. There is no comparison, and I'm not sure why you're trying to make one anyway. The topic is how these dirty politicians like using nazis as scapegoats, yet if you look a bit deeper, you find out that not only do nazis have nothing to do with the things they're attacking, these politicians are actually in league with real nazis.

MadLad487d ago

It gets old watching politicians worrying about videogames 24/7 as they accomplish nothing positive in Washington year after year.

frostypants486d ago (Edited 486d ago )

Posturing is how they fill their time. When they aren't posturing, they're making deals with lobbyists for campaign funding so they can keep their cushy jobs. Congress desperately needs term limits and Senate terms need to be cut from 6 to 4 years.

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