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David Cage “unhappy with everything” about Heavy Rain

David Cage isn’t happy about Heavy Rain. In fact, while the team are proud with the outcome they’re still “pretty much unhappy with everything”.

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Snookies124342d ago

I'm scared to see a game he's happy about in that case... o_o

Blaze9294342d ago (Edited 4342d ago )

Sounds like your average perfectionist.

tigertron4342d ago (Edited 4342d ago )

JASON! JAAAAAASON!

Seriously though, I don't know how he can be unhappy about Heavy Rain, it was brilliant.

The only thing I'm not happy with is that we only got one episode of the Heavy Rain Chronicles (the Taxidermist). I want MORE!

nveenio4342d ago

Yeah, Cage's brain is just too big for games. He'll never be satisfied, but that's what makes him a great team leader and visionary. It's inspirational, and even if he's not happy with the end result, it brings quality out of his team in the form of games like Heavy Rain.

da_2pacalypse4342d ago

No offence to him, he makes great games... but he kind of sounds like Peter Moloneux lol

nveenio4342d ago

The major difference is that Cage delivers. Pete makes promises about his game that never come to fruition...ever. In fact, Fable 3 was closer to what he'd promised for Fable 1 than what we got out of Fable 1. But by the time Fable 3 came out, it wasn't impressive because games had evolved beyond it.

Cage, on the other hand, gives us experiences we haven't felt before.

SephirothX214342d ago

Peter Molyneux is a good developer but he just promises too much and talks too much but he admits his faults. Games like Populous, Team Park and Dungeon Keeper were original and at least he showed genuine passion for games. Hence the reason he received the BAFTA lifetime achievement award in 2011.

On topic, David Cage is a great developer also and Heavy Rain was a unique experience. I think they will blow us away at E3. I wonder if a game could have the same level of depth in the story and choice for the player but not have QTEs. QTEs are fine but what about something more enjoyable.

RedDead4342d ago

He's probably upset about the plotholes

badz1494342d ago

seems like he's taking the inspiration of being unhappy with past work from Molyneux!

damn Peter, don't spread your disease in the industry!

BinaryMind4341d ago (Edited 4341d ago )

Cage's opinion of the outcome of Heavy Rain is natural considering what it seemed he was shooting for at least visually. I think the first screenshot of Heavy Rain released was a shot that was positioned to make the character look as realistic as possible.

I anticipate his team's next PS4 project to reach closer to that goal... and be delayed into infinity.

Saladfax4341d ago

It definitely serves to create what he and the rest of his team seek, which is audience emotion.

Unfortunately, for many it isn't quite a lasting appeal. It has the bullet points of where an invested player will be scared, angry, happy, shocked, but looking back and repeat plays kind of reveal a little more of the cracks in the paint job.

Nothing too seriously wrong with the visuals, although I agree that having motion capture and voice recording simultaneously will improve things quite a bit. One of the most awkward things I can remember about Heavy Rain is how some of the characters walk with this thousand yard stare.

The script could use the most work, just in terms of refining set pieces, trimming or lampshading gaps, and things like that.

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Boody-Bandit4342d ago (Edited 4342d ago )

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Tainted Gene4342d ago

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the rack of Mai!! from KOF

halocursed4342d ago

He must be a perfectionist. For me Heavy Rain was one of the best games I've played this generation.

Shikoro4342d ago (Edited 4342d ago )

C-C-C-CCCOMBO BREAKERRR!!!

But seriously, great game.

_Aarix_4342d ago

Thats the biggest reason I bought a ps3 and I couldnt be happier. the game was an absolute masterpiece.

tarbis4342d ago

He'll flip tables for sure. )o)_|_|_

MRMagoo1234342d ago

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Jazz41084342d ago

He needs to stick with makin movies as that's all heavyrain is wth interactive elements. I felt it to be to hands off and petty boring for a game. Ifit was a movie I would have felt diffrent.

SilentNegotiator4342d ago

I was going to make a joke comparing him to Peter Molyneux, but that would be insulting.

Cage doesn't over-promise like Peter Lucas-neux.

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360GamerFG4342d ago

Oh no, not another Peter Molyneux. This is how the madness starts. I've always thought he was a bit pretentious.

Snookies124342d ago

I seriously doubt Cage will become a Molyneux. (God let's hope not, we don't need another of him...) However, there are some people out there who can't help but critique their work to no end. I myself am like that on things I create whether it's artwork or writing... Sometimes you just want to keep adding on, or changing little things, and to be honest that's GOOD for the game industry. It means you'll be adding as much as you can before the deadline for a game, and in turn will usually only improve the quality of the work.

Hicken4342d ago

Oh, no, not another stealth troll comment from the fanboy formerly known as Financial Gamer. This is how ignorance starts. I've always thought he was a bit touched in the head.

Seriously, though, why is it bad to be critical of your work? Even if it's praised highly by others, as the creator you can always see things that didn't go as well as you'd hoped. At least, I'd HOPE that you can. If you can't see any flaws in what you've done, THEN you're probably pretentious.

Andromalius4342d ago

He's arrogant, that's a fact. I remember him attacking reviewers who didn't give Heavy Rain at least a 9 out of 10 score back in 2010 because of how amazing he thought his game was, and now he pretends he's "unhappy with everything"..

christian hour4342d ago

Pretending? No its called Hindsight ;) Happens to us all.

CGI-Quality4342d ago

How can something be fact that you can't prove and only make assumptions / guesses on?

OT: With Heavy Rain be my #1 game overall, it's a little shocking to hear this from him. Then again, it's good on the flip-side, because his next work will have more of the things he wanted in HR.

halocursed4342d ago

Same here buddy. My #1 game this generation.

AKS4342d ago (Edited 4342d ago )

I didn't see many glaring weaknesses other than some issues with the writing (some extremely misleading inner monologue thoughts of key character in particular). I think if Cage partnered up with a professional writer they'd really be dangerous. And perhaps disguise some of the accents a bit better. :) I thought they improved just about everything over Indigo Prophecy, which was a game I liked quite a bit.

Regarding whether he's arrogant, he should be proud of his ambition. So many developers keep doing the same thing over and over. Quantic Dream has taken risks and pulled it off. Supposedly there would be no market for a game like Heavy Rain released on a single platform, with many predicting niche-level success at best, and it turned out to do quite well. And more importantly, it was a very good game.

It's not necessarily a bad quality to be critical of your own work and strive to improve everything. That's basically what they did going from Indigo Prophecy to Heavy Rain. They improved over the previous game in just about every way.

meganick4342d ago

The misleading inner monologues of the "key" character you mentioned were a MAJOR problem with the storytelling. Not to mention there were many actions performed by this character that made NO sense considering the revelation at the end. There were also too many pointless scenes and elements scattered throughout Heavy Rain just to arbitrarily extend the length. There were a lot of issues with the game, so I'm not surprised that Cage is unhappy about it. I'm personally baffled by all the praise it gets.

AKS4342d ago

Most of those issues would be fairly easily fixed if Cage paired up with a professional writer in future Quantic Dream games. They may have been issues that were significant problems for you, but most of them have the same solution.

Fishy Fingers4342d ago

Bit of a harsh remark to hear if you worked on the game. Still, coming from Cage it's not to surprising, he's highly critical.

For me, the only issue was some plot holes and I'm afraid that does fall directly with Cage himself.

Learn from your mistakes, what more can you do.

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Please stop comparing video games to movies

"Many video games catch not only great commercial attention but remarkable critical attention as well. We have seen games like Heavy Rain, The Last of Us Part II, and even entries in the Metal Gear series described as fantastic interactive experiences, even heralded in the same way as Hollywood's greatest films.

I would suggest that not only is this an unfair comparison but also a harmful one. Video games, by their very nature, are an intricately different medium and should be weighed against one another rather than another form of media," Phillip writes for GF365.

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Fist4achin1250d ago

Yes, please stop. They're better than most hollywood drivel nowadays.

BLAKHOODe1250d ago

I think Hollywood films will becoming increasingly more like video games in the future, especially as the world embraces the "new normal" from the pandemic. It makes sense, as games like Spider-Man: Miles Morales showcase just how realistically we're reaching in graphical capabilities, as well as showcase extreme action sequences in spectacular ways. And as time goes by, it'll get easier and cheaper to produce such "art", as well as create new star "actors" that never age, never die, never complain, never gets involved in scandals, etc. Technology is amazing and we're only just getting a taste of what it'll eventually be.

sourOG1250d ago

No. Some games are like movies.

medman1250d ago (Edited 1250d ago )

No. For the money spent, a quality game provides far more entertainment value than a quality movie. Especially when looking at what is going on in the world, and how a studio can attempt to pilfer from consumers by charging 30 dollars for Mulan via streaming. Ridiculous. There is no comparison....games all day.

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The David Cage Experience: Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain

What exactly is the David Cage experience, and is it of value? We examine two classics, Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain, to find the answer.

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Quantic Dream Celebrates Heavy Rain's 10 Year Anniversary With New Video Series

Quantic Dream has announced a new video series to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of Heavy Rain. Check out the first part here.

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ClayRules20121407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Have you played Detroit? While it’s my personal favorite, I fully understand many preferring Heavy Rain more. I’m glad you enjoyed Heavy Rain too.

bouzebbal1407d ago

def. one of my top 3 best experiences on PS3

ClayRules20121407d ago

bouzebbal

That’s awesome to hear! What’re the other 2 best experiences?

akaFullMetal1407d ago

Great game, need to get started on Detroit soon.

ClayRules20121407d ago

Glad you enjoyed the game! Yes, Detroit is a masterpiece of a game, and their best work to date “in my opinion”

ClayRules20121407d ago

Wow, 10 years...and yet, still one of the best/most emotional/thrilling gaming experiences I’ve ever had.

So grateful to Sony for believing in Quantic Dream’s vision for this game, and giving them a chance. I’ll never forget David Cage saying “We want to challenge the player, but not with the controller, but mentally, with their decisions of “How far would you go to save someone you love” Well, they broke my emotional gamer heart lol.

My teenage son refuses to play this game, because I’ve told him in little detail the emotional impact it had on me all those years ago. Maybe one day he will.

Z5011407d ago

Still have my origami crane they teach you how to make when you're installing for the first time.

C-H-E-F1407d ago

it's been 10 years? wow, that was so fast, I feel like this console gen went fast as well although it hasn't. I really look forward to the PS5 this holiday season though.