Enough: we must all try to kick sexism out of gaming

The sexism in games debate has finally gone mainstream, but can it ever be a winnable battle? Yes it can, says Patrick Garratt, and we're all responsibility for aiming for victory.

[LOL_WUT]

The thumbnail brought me here :/

[Gaming101]

I wonder if there's an award for dumbest article of the day/week/month/year on N4G?
Can someone please get Patrick Garratt a tampon please? He finds characters who were drawn out and designed with an attractive look to be "so degrading its depressing". God forbid you create a female character that isn't a fat slob with a boyscout haircut and armpit hair. Why on earth would you want to sell that image to the vast majority of your audience - males?

[Flavor]

Bingo, gaming101.
I watched the Kara clip and I found it to be as far from sexist and demeaning as possible. In fact, it was daring and touched upon the objectification of women in blunt terms.
How do you think the creator of this clip would portray the type of man who would buy a passive object as a 'companion'? Unsympathetic comes to mind...
The Kara clip is simple and has a simple message, and the fool who wrote this attack article is either a sock puppet being used to drum up hype or a complete idiot with no analytic thinking skills. White knighting to the clumsy adolescent extreme.

[SilentNegotiator]

Exactly. A deep character could be ugly or good looking....so why not make them good looking?

[Boon Tarkas]

Amen.
It's one thing not to be a savage, it's another to be a self-effacing, all-accepting, aquiescing eunuch.
Liberal media seems to be increasingly portraying us as barbarians and advocating for the aforementioned latter transformation.
For the sake of the libs and the LGBT community we should all emasculate ourselves...and then..maybe...we can all get along.
FRAK OFF! Tired of it.

[sikbeta]

I liked Kara's Demo, I'm part of the problem or this article is blowing things out of proportions? :|

[mabreu]

Money is top priority when making a game. But there are game developers that take risks and don't over-sexualize their female characters. Just look at Valve's female protagonists Alyx and Chell. Their not over-sexualized and still look good.

We can only blame ourselves for this. If companies show guys a female with very little clothing on and has a body that puts Beyonce to shame, it will grab attention. However, gamers are getting more mature these days and female gamers are on the rise so this may get better through time.

But for now, bring on the babes!

[t0mmyb0y]

Well said Gaming

[dirigiblebill]

That 70 people have agreed with this comment is cold, hard evidence that N4G needs to be bombed back to the f*cking Stone Age. OH WAIT - seems you're already there.

The article's point is not that making women look attractive in works of fiction is sexist, genius. It's that reducing a character's existence to her physical proportions invites male players to think about real women in terms of their bodies alone, while disgusting and deterring female players. A bad thing, believe it or not!

And as regards the point about audiences - I'm one of your "majority" customers, and I'm fine with women who resemble actual women in my games. Not everybody's as dementedly pre-pubescent as you, dear, thank God.

PS. Quick tip for Flavor - learn to read before you toss around attention-seeky rhetoric. Nowhere in that piece does Pat argue that Kara itself is sexist.

[Bigpappy]

It was a well done tasteful demo. What is evil and offensive about looking at a womans body, especially when trying to convey a since being human? I found it very effective it did not affect me in a sexual way, but in an emotional way. People who complain about this as distasteful and the ones with the sex problem.

[Gaming101]

Yeah, I have a feeling that this article was actually written by a girl posing as a guy just to get respect, as if writing under a girl's name would kill all her credibility as a "games blogger". She thinks the guise of a male name will get people to taker her seriously. What kind of man writes "It's easy to be angered by the ludicrous portrayal of women in games". Are you serious? Can this be anymore transparent?

That girl posing as a guy who can't spell the word dribble ^^^ doesn't get it - it's in the eye of the beholder. If you see a woman and you objectify her - THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. Not everyone who sees an attractive woman objectifies them, and if you think that then you're definitely not of the male species. I can see through that shit. The female shephard can be made to look hot if you customize her but she has all the same characterization of the male shephard - they have the exact same dialogue.
You think there aren't women in the world who actually look hot? I should know, I date one, and she's hotter than any girl who complains about how women in games are portrayed "unrealistically"... . please, I can just hear the armpit hair flapping in the breeze as you type that shit lol

How exactly do hot females disgust female gamers anyway? I've had to deal with overly macho muscular men in games my entire life and never once felt disgusted or emasculated, stop whining and go eat your Haag N Daaz.

The fact that you had to point yourself out as male means you're a girl - how many people take the time to point out their gender, even on this page.... exactly, no one.

[Awesome_Gamer]

100% agree with you Gaming101.. Dumbest article ever

[-Alpha]

Gaming101 really nailed this writer.

[dirigiblebill]

"Not everyone who sees an attractive woman objectifies them, and if you think that then you're definitely not of the male species. I can see through that shit."

HA HA HA HA HA HA Jesus Christ there is no hope for humanity. I thought you'd hit the bottom of the barrel but there you go, merrily drilling through into a whole new world of idiocy. "Guy calls me out on my moronic assertions about how women are portrayed in games? No problem - I DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS HIS ACTUAL ARGUMENT OR OFFER A COHERENT REBUTTAL BECAUSE HE MUST BE A GIRL LOLOLOL."

Of course there's such a thing as attractive women in real life, f*ckstick - once more, the point is that when games categorise and portray women SOLELY in terms of their physical qualities, it's reductive and depressing. You can be a good-looking female character and have a personality, as your Shepard example illustrates, but for every Shepard in games, there's an Ivy, Kasume or a whoever-the-hell-that-woman-fr om-X-Blades-is. Honestly, developers think we're f*cking cavemen. And you're doing precisely nothing to disabuse them of that impression.

"How exactly do hot females disgust female gamers anyway? I've had to deal with overly macho muscular men in games my entire life and never once felt disgusted or emasculated, stop whining and go eat your Haag N Daaz."

The difference between stereotyped men and stereotyped women in games is that the former are invariably portrayed as active and empowered, while the latter generally fill in as eye candy or damsels in distress. But you're right - the dick-swinging muscleheads need to go too, or would you rather let somebody impose their idea of what a man should be on you via your means of entertainment?

F*ck objectification, f*ck masculine entitlement and f*ck this sorry excuse for a debate.

[milohighclub]

Well said gaming, u know not once have I looked at a video game and felt anything sexual, nor have I ever felt that any video game I played is sexiest!

Even thinking back to it, I don't know of any game that is anywhere near as sexiest as the movie industry, the music industry, newspapers, magazines...every form of social media has sexism that is To the extreme.

As said in the comments above, the trailer hit me emotionally I didn't even notice she was naked. I was 2 busy enjoying the awesome acting and script.

[milohighclub]

" please, I can just hear the armpit hair flapping in the breeze as you type that shit lol."

lol?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Lol indeed!!!!

Oh shit..

Now that was a read!!!!!

[troncoparati]

Patrick needs a date...really bad.

[Morgue]

Sad part is some guys like fat slobs with boy scout haircuts and hairy armpits.

[Gaming101]

lol Dribble up there seriously needs to get laid. He/She/Whatever is the postergirl for sexual frustration lmao

Having macho guys in games isn't sending me some secret message that this is what men should look like. I had no interest in going on steroids after playing The Hulk. Or Gears of War. Or any other game for that matter. Like I said, only girls compare themselves to people on tv/movies/magazines/games and thus only girls can be found complaining about hot girls in said mediums. You don't see guys whining like bitches about how they'll never have 23 inch biceps like (Insert super hero name here).

[dirigiblebill]

"Having macho guys in games isn't sending me some secret message that this is what men should look like. I had no interest in going on steroids after playing The Hulk. Or Gears of War. Or any other game for that matter."

Oooh, I wouldn't know about that. Practically everything you've written in this thread attests to some pretty marvelously f*cking stupid ideas about bodies, gender and life in general. I'll stop short of saying that games like Gears made you this way, but they're clearly scratching your itch. Have fun.

[-Mika-]

Ewww she looks like she 12.

[kreate]

She's asian. /s

[Kur0]

says the person with the very young looking final fantasy character that was engaged to a guy who looks 30.

[afterMoth]

Knowing Final Fantasy games, that's probably a guy. Well could be a girl, they don't draw either differently.

[SilentNegotiator]

What 12 year olds do you know with hips and breasts like those?

Uh, you know what? Don't answer that.

She doesn't look "12" at all. I know adults with faces that look that young.

[Johnny Cullen]

And that sums the whole problem.

[GribbleGrunger]

wait a minute! the author of this piece does realise that the Kara video is actually about sexism and the frailty of existence doesn't he? is he suggesting that we ignore real issues in favour of ignoring them in film, books and games? what a dick

[Bimkoblerutso]

It's so true. We truly are all responsibility for aiming for victory.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Well sex sells.

[deep_fried_bum_cake]

Exactly. As long as it shifts games it's not gonna change. This guy over thinks stuff anyway. I'd hate to be someone who gets riled up as easily as him.

[MK24ever]

So... let's make all women on games look fat, flat, ugly and dumb! That will solve everything, why should they be brave, inteligent, have a warrior spirit, be beautiful and sexy when game producers can make them look like pigs?

The gaming community should be ashamed indeed....

/sarcasm off

[Fylus]

So a brave, intellectual, beautiful women with a "warrior's spirit" has to be half naked just to impress men? Why can't she be wearing something that will actually block off her cleavage/ass?

I think you read this wrong. It isn't about trading beautiful women characters with ugly ones. It's about showing respect to women.

[MK24ever]

Go outside, how do you see women dressed? With Burkas? I don't think so, most likely they are dressing something that makes them feel sexy, like a skirt/mini-skirt and with some cleavage!

So, I'm sorry but I don't agree with all this "Gaming community/devs don't portrait women as they should".

Women and Man are portraited as the women and man they would like to be, it's called fantasy, games are fantasy. Get used to it, if I wanted a real life simulator I'd go outside (wich I do).

[h311rais3r]

And you do realize in reality women show off their features for guess what! Men. It's not sexism it's a reality. No one is forcing women to dress skimpy. In third world countries it's sexist to cover em up and here it's sexist to show em off. I don't understand sexism AT ALL! It's a bunch of hypocriticism and mad feminists!

[Bimkoblerutso]

First of all, where the hell do you guys live that there are half-naked women EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK (perhaps Rio?), because being a reasonably well traveled individual, I can honestly say that women that dress like that are the minority almost everywhere I go.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment. It's not unrealistic to say that there are women out there like that, but that character "type" is basically the only "type" being represented in video games. I think that's all anyone is saying.

Personally, it's not an issue of being offended for me. I'm not OFFENDED that female characters are waving their melons at the screen anymore than I'm OFFENDED that most men in video games are either beef-cakes or stunningly good looking. It's just...boring and repetitive.

[smashcrashbash]

You do know there are women who dress up sexily right? That put on high heels, tight clothes, show there cleavage and wear short skirts. Why is it everyone thinks that there are no women like that and every time they see a woman in anything sexy it's 'degrading'?

It's same thing people go on about with characters that have big breasts. People act like no woman in the world has big breasts or something and the moment one is portrayed that way it's 'degrading'.

Kratos was a warrior and he barely wore a stitch of clothing but there were no protest about how degrading or unrealistic it is to men. But the minute a warrior woman does the same it's time to call in the marines.What did you think the Amazons wore, dresses down to their feet and coats covering their bodies?

[milohighclub]

@bimkoblerutso

Bradford, West Yorkshire England - mid december

[Bimkoblerutso]

The problem is much deeper than that. I think the real issue here is constantly being misinterpreted as "sexism." I mean, all we get are hunky, good-looking dudes running around as well. It's not a boy/girl thing.

Video games generally just tend to define gender roles in the most archaic way imaginable....and they do it over and over and over again. Everyone is ALWAYS good looking, at least somewhat promiscuous, confident and capable. Which is fine. Obviously there are people like that out there.

But after a while, you start to realize that these are not good characters. They are essentially retreads of one or two very specific character archtypes.

It's like video game developers don't write characters as much as they pick and choose from a list of two or three generic characteristics and then design a digital husk around them.

How many times can people watch attractive, brauny dudes save the day and win the girl, or sexually promiscuous, confident women kick ass and display ridiculous feats of strength despite their demure frames, before they realize developers are just phoning it in?

[Rainstorm81]

So Movies dont display the "HERO or HEROINE" in those same sterotypes? Let alone TV Shows, cartoons, comics, etc, etc

People that try to pigeon hole Gaming into that category are only fooling themselves.It what society has come to expect from works of fiction.... Fiction being the key word here.

Besides female characters have come a LONG way since Lara Croft.... If anything Elena is the poster girl for politically correct female game characters.

[Rainstorm81]

double post......(damn N4G)

[milohighclub]

How many times can people watch attractive, brauny dudes save the day and win the girl....according to Hollywood easily 15x a year for the last 30yrs....still rakes in millions. In fact spidermans probably gonna do it again this summer.

[FlashBack]

Elena Fischer
Alyx Vance
Chell,

just some example
They aren't fat, ugly and dumb, and look and sound good.

[Rainstorm81]

Or Bonnie McFarland, "The Boss" (MGS3), All four of the MGS4 bosses for that matter (Laughing Octopus, Raging Raven, Crying Wolf and Screaming Mantis), Samus Aran, the list goes on and on

All females arent portrayed for their bodies and looks....

[nanometric]

@Raiinstorm81

I guess you didn't find the camera ;)

[Baka-akaB]

More like we must get ride of sanctimonious and prude people , for both genders , from the world of gaming .

There’s nothing wrong with being sexy. We just need less helpless and useless damsels in distress .

[FlashBack]

And skimpy armor.

[tidusforeverx2]

Not to say i support sexism in games or anything but if they want to design the characters then they can design them however the hell they want. If people don't like it then don't play the damn games. As a logical business move you make what people will buy. If people are going to buy a game on the lone fact of how the character looks then why should they change how the character looks and lose profitability, if they show breasts then it gets a M rating but if they flat out show a penis then it would probably get an AO rating. That's where the problem is. AND i especially don't want to hear people complain when the parents buy their 3-12 year old Grand theft auto (any of them) or Saints row the third with giant dildo swords. And people have problems with games showing women in realistic situations or in sexy poses. Here is a news flash the porn industry is one of the most profitable industries and without it there would be an economic crash that no one could recover from, People need to grow up and accept the fact that when you are the one making the game you can do what you want to do and until then you are under no obligation to but the game with the big titted chick on the cover unless you want to. And in Japan there are a ton of Adult rated games and they have less crime and they respect people way more than American assholes.

[Fylus]

Paragraphs, buddy.

[tidusforeverx2]

yea i know, i rushed through it.

[FlashXIII]

Tbh I cba reading another article on sexism the whole debate does my head in however I think the picture used for this article is a poor choice. While there is shameless smuttery al over gaming and in many games with no other reason to be there than some cheap boobs in your face, I think the use of that kara tech demo is justified and is far more "artistic" than your average game.

[Wumbo]

To sum up this whole debate and article in one phrase:

"Who cares?" If you don't like the way the developers created their characters don't play the game. ITS A BUSINESS and creating irrelevant and trivial articles about how offended you are over a bunch of pixels ain't gonna affect the video games designers or change their minds about their artistic visions.

[patlike]

Who cares? That practically every women in games is overtly sexualised? I do. It's unfair. Being sexist isn't acceptable. We should all be aiming for sexual equality. Would you like every man in games to have a 12" cock and totter around on high heels in his pants?

[MadamSarcasm]

This ^^^^^

[sjaakiejj]

Newsflash: Sexual Equality does not, and will never exist. The reason for this is that the two genders, male and female, are fundamentally (that is, by nature) different.

What is far more important is that females and males are both treated with equal amounts of respect, and are given equal rights in the society. But that's not a one sided story, as both males and females are treated unfairly in some cultures. But you cannot ask the two genders to be equal, and for that very reason you will, for the rest of your life, see sexy females on covers of books, movies and video games, just like you always see muscular and good looking guys on those covers.

[Slapshot82]

Very well stated sjaakiejj, and I cannot agree with you more. Females rush to show off their bodies on the front of magazines that line every check-out aisle in retail stores, but that's not sexist.But it's somehow sexist for a game developer to use a female lead character that doesn't look like these women who plaster their bodies for testosterone men to admire?

How about we talk about the game's that do portray women in a real lifelike manner: Heavy Rain!

[RioKing]

"We should all be aiming for sexual equality. Would you like every man in games to have a 12" cock and totter around on high heels in his pants?"

How would putting high heels on a man over-sexualise him? It would just be weird :/

Like my avatar btw?

[DragonKnight]

"Who cares? That practically every women in games is overtly sexualised? I do. It's unfair. Being sexist isn't acceptable. We should all be aiming for sexual equality. Would you like every man in games to have a 12" cock and totter around on high heels in his pants?"

Why do you care? Is some guy(s) treating you differently because you don't look like Ivy from Soul Calibur? No? then shut up. Why is it unfair? Because guys aren't being portrayed as muscle-bound, steroid using, alpha male warrior types that hit first and ask questions later? Oh wait they are. There is greater sexual equality today than there ever has been but there never will be total sexual equality, just like there will never be true acceptance of homosexuality or just like there will never be a complete lack of racism. They're just human flaws that will never be erased.

And yeah, I would like to see a guy with an unrealistically proportioned lower member try to maneuver around in high heels. Not because I'm gay, but because that would look frickin' funny as hell and be a refreshing change.

Almost EVERYONE doesn't get what sexism means. Here's the definition.

sex·ism   [sek-siz-uhm]
noun
1.attitudes or behavior based one stereotypes of traditional sexual roles.
2.discrimination or devaluation based on one's sex as in restricted job opportunities.

So in actuality, to be sexist, games would have to portray women as inferior to men, made to "be in the kitchen", a subservient type of character that is covered up and is more of a background object than an actual character.

Scantily clad women with large breasts who go around killing things or finding treasure or whatever is so far away from the actual definition of sexist.

And the fact of the matter is, no one wants to experience something that is supposed to remove you from reality by playing it as an average person who has to suffer through stretch lines, pimples, wrinkles, blemishes, messed up hair, weight issues (both over and under) height issues, etc.. People play these games precisely because they AREN'T anything like real life.

I find it very hard and incredibly sad to imagine that there are people who actually care about this stuff. People who actively make it a problem when it isn't and doesn't have to be. It's really pathetic.

[ninavoljic]

Everytime someone tries to argue that "fairness" & "equality" should happen in our society, I already knew that person is living over an ideal world. Because in reality, fairness doesn't happen. Our society works just the way it's right now because it's balanced out by inequalities between individuals. And that's great news.

You see, if sexes are equal, life would be boring. Just think about it.

[milohighclub]

@patlike

U want sexual equality? Make it so men retire 5years earlier, u know, like women do.... Or so men get a years paternity, u know, like women do....make it so men get equal rights over their children, scrap that - get fair rights over there children.

I think the are bigger issues when it comes to sexism that need addressing than whether a video game character, a character of fiction, can kick arse or has tits or whatever the fucks the matter.

[Thrungus]

Enjoyed reading this, and yeah, I do kind of get that there are some definite female issues in the industry.

[Grap]

so their is fatism now?

[lifesanrpg]

Remind me why I must "try to kick out" sexy women in video games?

I'm a male. Yes, I enjoy boobs...and a nice butt too...oh maaaan I'm siiick!!!

While we're at it, let's attack the film business as well. I'm sick of seeing hot women in my movies!

[WitWolfy]

YEAH im tired of those sexed up girls always flaunting what they got on the my television set.. PPFFFF when will it END?!?!?

[sjaakiejj]

Portraying a woman in a way that is conceived to be sexy is a long shot from being sexist and not treating them with respect.

If you're really complaining about sexist portrayal of female characters, you'll need to look for ones that are weak in personality, e.g. the typical Danzel in Distress. That's sexist. Like Peach...

[_LarZen_]

This article has to be writen by an american?!

[OmniSlashPT]

Yeah right, how about trying to kick sexism from TV, cinema, music, books, internet, etc...People always make gaming seem like the sin of men. Srls, just look at the other media. TV shows about pregnant teenagers, songs with the titles 'stupid hoe' and movies that resemble more porn movies than real movies. But what do they blame? Video-games. Because it features virtual rendered women with large breasts and almost no clothes in some figting games. GTFO

I don't see people bitching about the guys in video-games having all that muscle and looking like they're on steroids, why would you bitch about the women? Now that's sexism.

[Hicken]

The wrong part of this article: bringing up Kara and Catherine. I kinda stopped reading at that point, because it was clear that the author was narrow-minded in his views on sexuality.

You can't go commenting about something when your comments are based on incorrect statements. He treats the comments made about Kara the product as if they're meant to be about all women, which is just plain off. Until it's revealed that Kara is self-aware and, indeed, more than just a device, the description of mundane tasks assigned to her kind is just like any other robot you could think of.

The there's Catherine. It's been said a million times before, but Catherine was intentionally provocative even on its exterior, as it was meant to mirror or at least carry on the themes within the game. For most of the people who played it, the intent of the game's cover was evident.

All in all, I think the author has his heart in the right place, but the screws in his head are cross-threaded. There IS a problem with sexism in gaming, but it's also something that's inherent as a largely male-dominated media.

[Stove]

Fat Princess...

did I win yet?

/s

[colugothelegend]

only gays

jrpg players

and fat gamer girls complain

beautiful women/sex will always be wanted by "evil" men

[Crystallish]

i am a jrpg player, and i simply dont care. if men are stupid enough to purchase a Game JUST because of a big pair of double D's, bad for them. i think the majority of us isnt turning the brain off once a pixel-chick with nice legs pops up.

[colugothelegend]

only 14 yr olds buy 60 dollar games because of boobs.

I just think as an adult whos male. games should cater to the main "gamers" guys.

girls go play Tiny Village on iphone
and gays go play jrpgs for "friendship" stories

[Johnny Cullen]

What narrow-minded idiocy that comment reeks of.

[Hayakuzima]

I don't get this guy...
FemShep and Bayonetta still kick ass, so if they're hot isn't that just a bonus?
And there ARE sexy male characters in games, ask a girl :P
I'm just happy that they're not all helpless and annoying like they used to be.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Nice read. I'd of course like to see less of this in video games. It was the deciding factor in me not buying skullgirls actually.

[Megaman_nerd]

is still sexism if it was a woman the one that make the character? Because I see he even complains about Skullgirls but the funny thing is that the one that made all the characters for that game was a woman.

[Getowned]

who cares it's video games it's not real. Besides at my school most girls dress like sluts, you have no idea how much camel toe I see in one day.

Edit: it is true that some girls dress and act the way they do because they want attention if they want to be seen or treated diffrently then thats up to the individual, I know a girl that is way more beautiful then any girl who dresses like a slut in my school and she dresses normal and I respect her more for it shes a very kind person and way out of my leage as well as probably about 99.9% of every guy on N4G.

This is my ideal video game charactor woman.

[Conzul]

I'm not with the crowd that wants all sexism out of games, but I do believe that it is a little oversaturated ATM. Super-sexy characters are just a little harder to believe in, so you lose a small amount of suspension of disbelief. Think Elena from U1 and U2. In U3 they took an airbrush to her, so her character lost some believability.

Real characters are better characters, if only now and then.

[Hayakuzima]

What about Elena Fisher from Uncharted?
She isn't super sexy, nor is she completely helpless.
And the female hero in Fable looks quite masculine IMO.
Trying my hardest to think of more...

[WitWolfy]

I never really liked Elena.. I was always more a Chloe kinda guy.

[Megaton]

Yeah, I'm tired of games portraying men as sexy beefcakes. We must end this rampant sexism! Lead the charge, bro!

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Ah its the Moral people again. Get a time machine and go back to the Puritans and Jesuits.

How about balancing the scales instead of trying to strangle the collective d~cks of all males?
Like giving women games they would like, I dunno hmm romance games? Yaoi was a step in the right direction, as a male its nice to know there are perverts on the other side.

[JD_Shadow]

Well, you also have to think of the age level of who you're talking to, as well.

Think for a second about the debate over jailbreaking last year. If people were a bit older, more knowledgeable of similar issues that came up beforehand, and more aware that system loyalties don't rule every debate, then we would've not gotten the calls for Geohot's or any other's death in horrible ways.

How about the Jessica Nigiri issue that happened at PAX. If this were an older crowd that was aware about some of the other issues surrounding women right now (I brought up Rush Limbaugh's remarks and the Augusta National issue), then we would not have as many of the "why should I care" comments and comments that proved that no one paid any attention to anything about anything, and more of comments from people who actually read some of the things that came up about the issue. They would've protested PAX regardless of what untimely came of the situation to make sure something like that never happened again while being fair.

And thus, while the author doesn't really get the point of wearing skimpy clothing doesn't always mean that the personality of such women aren't strong, there's going to be the issue of us being in an industry whose demo usually is of preteens to teens who have no business talking about some of these more serious issues. Thankfully, these are the minority of the teens that play games and visit sites like this, but unfortunately, it's not only the most vocal, but the most venomous in the comments. They think they are always right, they have no fear over what they say, think that nothing they ever say has any consequence, and argue with you to the death when you give them a consequence.

Yeah, the first thing you have to do, before we even get to the point of sexism in games, is to address the immaturity of today's gamers in comparison to those that have played games for the longest time.

Oh, and did anyone forget Samus Aran in this debate about females that are treated with respect (and yes, I AM thinking about Other M when I speak of her like that. Get over it, already!)?

[Kte]

Can be a man and get to the real point and say that most female characters are HOT!!!(if a man can sit here and say they are not in which not ALL game females are hot but the ones that are)I mean one way or another its going to catch your attention, but at the end of the day...it's just a game really @Darkpower people who are immature gamers already know that they are, and age level should not be anywhere near the subject, as age rating is mentioned on a game before its released iirc.

[Frankfurt]

Hot female characters in various states of undress make movies and games more fun to me. I'm a man. If devs choose to have naked Dante with penis jokes like DmC or exposed dicks in GTA4 in every game to make it more even, i'm fine with it.

What i'm sick of is people telling me we should get rid of Cammy's "butt" winpose or Chun-li's massive tree-trunk thighs being focused on.

No male over 13 is bothered by naked dudes in their entertainment. Just even out the exploitation and shut the hell up, feminists.

[Shadowstar]

Personally, I'd rather have good characters and stories that don't have to rely on objectification of either sex... but that's just me.

[Dude420]

My female cousin went to go see Thor and admits that she just wanted to see Chris Hemsworth in top shape. A female friend of mine (although not that much into fantasy) saw all 3 LOTR films and admits Aragorn was hypnotizing.

I was hypnotized by Jessica Alba in Sin City.

This journalist needs to get a grip, all movie directors and game developers aim to please one or the other gender (or both).

[thebudgetgamer]

Why is it that no one yells sexist when we have to look at Kratos and his sculpted buns for six too eight hours.

[MK24ever]

People try, but Kratos kills them all before they say a word!

[RevXM]

Yeah lol.

And there is a lot of huge guys in games, most often wearing more than women in games but I see women dressed like in most games everyday (Atleast in the summer) a lot of women dress to show off and get attention.

Nathan Drake... He dresses decently but he is really masculine.. and lets not get started on Gears... They are big! Arms thicker than their heads... but honestly does anyone really mind?
I know I don't.

Sex sells, and games need some spice even though I rarely even think of it. Its only natural for games targeted to teens and adults to have big men and slick looking chicks.

Oh yeah and I notice people do make especially much noise over "big boobs" in games..."They are too big OMGS noooo" and I look at them and most often I think they look like breasts I see on women every damn day in real life... wut?

[thebudgetgamer]

The major thing for me is, I didn't think of it in a sexual way at all. I found myself feeling really sad when she was getting dismantled.

Emotional connections is what video games really lack. You play a game and you live, you die who cares, but when I play a game like Heavy Rain I become invested in the characters.

[ShaunCameron]

Have these feminists ever considered that the video game industry was built BY MEN FOR MEN with MEN'S best interests in mind just like damn near every other industry on Earth?

[honkyjesus]

Reminds me of the booth bitch stuff. No idea why they used the Kara image. That thing was amazing, between this and EA/Bioware trying to push a homosexuality battle over their PR stunts in games I feel like Rumble Roses XXX is needed.

[wolokowoh]

When will idiots realize that they are in fact the sexist ones? Okay let's take a game God of War for instance. Anyone could argue the women in that game are just sex objects. Everyone is scantily clad or naked and Kratos has threesomes/insert number-somes with a lot of women. Even Athena doesn't have much on. That's a fine until you realize that's how women and men dressed back in Athens/Sparta in that time period. No one really wore much of anything in Athens. If anything they dialed it back a bit. Then to add to this, several women worked on the games. A woman was the one who designed and came up with sex minigame.

[GTRrocker]

Sexism in media doesn't exist. Only fem-nazis think this.

[GAMExxOVER]

How bout we leave the game developers, writers and artists the F alone and let them create, if you do not like the politics go play a different game. How about we start telling authors what they can and can not write about as well.

[Jake_the_Dog]

As Gat would say "looks like you traded in your dick for a pussy."

[k2d]

Ngh! Not them feminists again.. -___-

[CLOUD1983]

This patrick is one of the 2, woman feminist or g@y no other explanation for this idiotic article..

anyway move on nothing interesting here and some1 send this patrick a copy of rapelay to play it will be funny to see his reaction :D

[Johnny Cullen]

I wonder why everyday the internet is full of shit.

And then I see this and the lightbulb in my mind springs on.

[young7yang]

So would you prefer a big fat ugly chick or better yet a dude?

i welcome sexess games.. if this article is from a chick or a dude. get a life... for for thousands of years woman have always been potrayed as attractive to man in the world of media... if it was anyother way the appeal would instantly be lost due to the simpla fact that we are creatures of nature... you either have a dick or a pussy.. thats an unfortunate fact about life.. and one is naturaly attracted to the other... so yse i prefer sexism in video games.

[Killman]

I forgot, to society, anything that can bring forth even the tiniest pixel of sex to the mind, is horrible. Why do human beings hate to love and love to hate anything sex related???????

[jeeves86]

This has been going on for years, why would anything change now? We live in a society that values an image that is unattainable. Look at a magazine, everyone is photoshopped in some form or another. There are no imperfections, they're about 30 pounds underweight...

Yet video games, where you can carry 50 pounds of stuff on your belt and hide it in your pants, where you can fly and beat up gigantic monsters has to be the mature one and should start portraying more realistic individuals?

There will never be sexual equality in games. Not as long as men like to look at pretty women and wish they were sexy men.

Not trying to offend male gamers - I'm sure you're all sexy in your own right.

[HeartDisease]

the way most of you attack the author speaks volumes about your character. you are probably the same people that attack the unfortunate females that do play videogames the second they say hi in the waiting lobby.

while i do not want to see attractive people replaced by huge fat slobs, i think more variation(IE no beefcake males with big tit blondes) would make for a more immersive experience and diverse characters. but you cannot market that so here we are.

[madjedi]

So because we don't listen to some idiot badger us with their opinionated political views on sexism, we are no better than the guys. That hound female gamers relentlessly in online games.

Despite not knowing anything about a majority the commenters, don't break a leg getting off your high horse, you jackass.

When every other medium, stops using sex or attractive people to sell a product, then video games should follow suit till then kindly stfu.

Seriously take almost any male lead character, and see how accurately he depicts a significant majority of male gamers.

We are a visual species, that has certain preset ideas as what make insert gender attractive to us, why is this so hard to understand.

What do some of you freaks want, a genderless society were one is judged solely on ones intellect/actions. It's not happening, so stop pushing for it.

Thank god most men don't cry and whine about stupid things like this. Between the title and some of the pro article posters like dirigibill this is a definite pass.

It's a f^cking video game, leave real world politics where they belong, in the real world.

[HeartDisease]

"Despite not knowing anything about a majority the commenters, don't break a leg getting off your high horse, you jackass."

what is there to know about the majority? that most are immature kids that say "gay" at least every other word, usually between lines about making sammiches in kitchens? there is a reason this stereotype exists. that reason is because that is the vocal majority in the gaming scene. it may not be the real majority as most smart people do not post comments on sites like this one. they just play games like they always have and use the mute button.

this vocal majority are usually the ones that want to state their opinion and at the same time attack others that do the same. usually by calling them jackass or gay jackass. hypocrite much?

[Theangrybogan]

The female form is the most beautiful thing on the planet, it should be celebrated not debated.

[Jirachi]

The problem i have here is that men are sometimes sexualized in games too(although it's less often it does happen)
Yet no one ever makes a big deal when a man is sexualized in any entertainment media.

The fact is that when people say something is sexist they never defend a man,and that sorta of double standard is exactlty what sexism is.

Yeah think about that before you call men sexists.

[8BitBrian]

The best part of this is, when I was watching the trailer for Kara on youtube, one of the comments was "Damn...couldn't they have made her a little sexier?" Ahahaha!

I honestly hate that he used Kara as an example because for ME....that demo was PACKED with emotion and it pulled on my heart strings and right away I replied on facebook (where my friend linked me) and said OMFG THIS IS JUST A TECH DEMO!? I WANT MORE..I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS STORY!

[DeadSpaced]

I can understand where they are coming from but honestly, they don't claim sexism if they have to look at attractive males all day long. But whether or not it's sexist, I felt bad for her when she got dismantled.

Something I don't think people think about is how often are games really plausible? Very rarely does it ever happen. So what if in the game's world that we immerse ourselves in is sexist? It's a game and it's their story. Because I see a shapely woman in a video game, I don't turn into a man-slut.

If it's their story and they decide for it to happen in a sexist society, then that's where it takes place. Like it or not.

[psyxon]

Wow. People are worried about resolving social issues in games before actually resolving them in society.

[Bercilak]

Yes, we should all do our part to kick sexism out of gaming.

And back into the kitchen. Where it belongs.

[DeadSpaced]

Props to you, my good sir.

[Bercilak]

Why, thank you. Much appreciated.

[VirtualSamadhi]

THIS ARTICLE IS DEFINITELY WRONG WOMEN ARE OBJECTS SEEING AS MASS X VOLUME = WEIGHT! NOW WHERE TO PUT THEM... BEDROOM, I GUESS, SEEING AS NO OTHER ROOM IN HOUSE! GITTT OVER HERRRREEEE!! *Scorpion spear*

[listenkids]

Nevermind

[Gigglefist]

Replace this article with "we must all try to grow up and not get offended my every little thing"

[DeadSpaced]

Sounds quite appropriate.

[bigcupofSTFU]

jade from beyond good and evil, is pretty and is not sexualized,cas said NOT ALL GAMES DO big boobs

[young7yang]

i thought jade was very sexy! its all in the design.

[GameMeetsGirl]

I'm a female and this actually inspired an editorial from me.
http://gamemeetsgirl.com/?p...

I don't think having beautiful women is the problem. It's the ones specifically designed to be a sex object that is where the problem comes from.

I like seeing strong female leads in games. Heavenly Sword is a FANTASTIC example of it. She's beautiful and fights for her family and life.

Elena Fisher from Uncharted is a character I can 100% relate too plus I think she's beautiful. (By far my favorite character in Uncharted).

Obviously sex sells, but I know what you mean Patrick. As a female in the industry I feel pressure and belittlement from males more often than I should.

I'm a gamer, your a gamer. Why does gender really matter? I don't really find games as objectifying women. But I think it impacts the adolescent view toward female gamers. Playing any game on xbox live is pretty harsh if your a girl.

Good read though.

[MarkusMcNugen]

The author of the article must really hate the movie "The Stepford Wives."

[devilhunterx]

Next he will write on to kick out violence from video games

[helghast102]

Who approves this bullshit?

[madjedi]

Thrungus (2) | 15h ago
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Now you know who to thank.

[LivingTribunal]

Here's a thought, if women don't like it or you don't like it then they/you can make their/your own damn games. How about that?

[legend911]

Read my post, I'll copy and paste it back for you.

WE WENT OVER THIS ALREADY, GET THIS GARBAGE OUT OF HERE. Why? Because girls in MMOs love seeing the shirtless guys, us guys like to look strong. Fair game, right? Girls like to dress sexily, we appreciate it. Fair game. We have shirtless guys in games everywhere, are you going to complain? Want to use an obese male character? As a whole women abuse their bodies nowadays, if you didnt know, that is how women's bodies were intended to look, AND my only complaint is breast size, but that is their choice, they love it, the guys love it.

AND HERE IS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID!

"Women are meant to be sexually attractive while men are meant to be cool/strong/funny. It's actually sexist to suggest that females shouldn't be depicted as sexual while male characters remain the same. In effect what you are doing is making the female characters more masculine which doesn't have much appeal."

Remove this shit.

[Soldierone]

As a guy I not once ever complained about Kratos running around with a perfect muscle body, acting like a stereotypical douch and banging all kinds of girls, or anything of that nature. I don't complain about any of the stereotypical guys in anything....yet my god we throw in an "attractive" girl character and its sexism....Have you ever seen a main character guy or anything of that nature that wasn't a "perfect" guy? no.

[Elvis]

The author is dumb.

[Johnny Cullen]

And by the looks of it, so are you.

[Johnny Cullen]

I've never actually seen so much vulgar on any website ever. Actually makes me ashamed to be a games journalist. If N4G bites the dust, I'm hoping it takes you cruel shits with it.

[Killman]

What the f*ck is your problem Mr. I agree with the article yet have a top down picture of an anime female as an avatar? What are we being cruel about? I really wish you had more bubbles so I could get a clarification. The author is an idiot who is also completely one-sided. There have been many great posts here and yet you ignore them all. Seriously, get off of your elitist wagon.

[zeroskie]

Don't click on the link, the "journalist" is just trolling for more hits.

[ziggurcat]

LOL @ white males whining about sexism.

[legend911]

WE WENT OVER THIS ALREADY, GET THIS GARBAGE OUT OF HERE. Why? Because girls in MMOs love seeing the shirtless guys, us guys like to look strong. Fair game, right? Girls like to dress sexily, we appreciate it. Fair game. We have shirtless guys in games everywhere, are you going to complain? Want to use an obese male character? As a whole women abuse their bodies nowadays, if you didnt know, that is how women's bodies were intended to look, AND my only complaint is breast size, but that is their choice, they love it, the guys love it.

AND HERE IS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID!

"Women are meant to be sexually attractive while men are meant to be cool/strong/funny. It's actually sexist to suggest that females shouldn't be depicted as sexual while male characters remain the same. In effect what you are doing is making the female characters more masculine which doesn't have much appeal."

Remove this shit.