Pachter: Zero Percent Chance Sony Will Show PlayStation 4 At E3 2012

There’s been a lot of Internet buzz of late regarding an MCV story that states that both Sony and Microsoft will show off PlayStation 4 and the next Xbox at E3 2012 this June in Los Angeles. But according to videogame analyst Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities, that’s not going to happen.

[remanutd55]

lol , we'll see

[sinncross]

I must admit I do not see it happening.

Personally, I think PS4 announcement at TGS 2012 soonest.

Sony are better off hyping the PSV games to come, and the new PS3 games like Quantic Dreams IP, Gof od War 4, the PS3 Syphon Filter, Title Fight.

[RedDead]

If it's not E3'12, it'll be E3'13. No way a TGS announcement. E3 is just the place to do it.

[Unlimax]

TGS 2012 is become bigger this year .. Unexpected titles will be announced this year and those titles are ... (Parasite eve) The 4rth birthday , ،Kingdom hearts (?) .. and other titles !

[Half-Mafia]

@RedDeadDestroyer Sony didnt wait to E3 to announce the Vita in January 2011.

[darthv72]

will likely be more for MS to reveal something. A US company making a big announcement at an expo in the US just makes sense.

Sony could do E3 if MS does CES but if MS does E3 then sony would more than likely do either GDC or TGS.

They wouldnt want to do a reveal at the same expo as MS but they could to steal the show.

[SecludedBubbles]

GamesCom is massive and most of Sony's sales are Europe based, so it could be GamesCom. Although I'm sure they want to get some of the American market back and no better way to do that than showing the new console at E3... Did I just have an argument with myself?

[pc_masterrace]

Michael Pachter...lmao

[ABizzel1]

Not even a 0.01% chance

[morganfell]

First of all, relevant persons in the industry such as Mark Rein have clearly indicated we won't see any new console from Sony or MS until near or on 2014. Why announce two years out?

Second, Sony isn't going to overshadow the launch of the Vita with a PS4 announcement.

Third, why should Sony or MS announce when both are still showing growth with their current console. Nintendo well realized they were in for a slide and moved to interdict with the Wii U.

Certain websites that are using hit tactics to gain clicks by stating they have proof positive of new console announcements from Sony or MS in 2012 would do well to remember that they can delete the story from their own website but the proof of their tactics and poor fortune telling skills is out on the internet for an eternity.

To update an old Japanese proverb for the 21st century, "Stories, once posted, are beyond the hooves of even the fleetest of horses."

[guitarded77]

(from article)
"But according to videogame analyst Michael Pachter"

So there's a 100% chance that the PS4 will be at E3 2012.

[Kevin ButIer]

Sorry if its a dumb question but... do we really need a next gen this year? Im doing great with the current gen lol

[BattleAxe]

I think MS will show the Xbox 720 at E3, and I'll bet that Sony releases a year later again which I'm ok with. If the PS4 releases in 2014, then I won't be buying one until 2015 after the price has dropped.

[HappyGaming]

wth an analyst is meant to make calculations and get percentages... how could it be 0% unless sony had blown up or something :/

[PLASTICA-MAN]

General truth: Zero Percent Chance Patcher Will Show any sign of mature, obejective and reasonable journalism and authentic news in his entire career.

[aquamala]

If I have to wait til 2014 for new consoles I'm building another gaming pc and put it in the living room

[Army_of_Darkness]

besides, Sony needs to focus on Vita more since it's new and all, otherwise it's not gonna sell as much as they hope.

[EVILDEAD360]

Micrsoft WILL announce at this year's E3, and actually show up at next years E3 with finalized specs, launch games etc.

It is January 2012..the Next box will launch November 2013...do the math that is still almost 2 years from launch at this point and a year and a half AFTER this years E3.

Micrsoft will NOT miss holiday 2013 just to launch for holiday 2014, it literally makes no sense. That would push them to almost 3 years from now. The 360 WILL be almost 10 years and Sony will then have the luxury of launching head to head.

Pachter was dead wrong with Nintendo and dead wrong about the 360. Micrsoft loses no money with an announcement, but it will the rug from Nintendo's feet as there are many people and developers who will take a wait and see approach.

Evil

[Ares84HU]

This confirmed it, they will show the PS4 at E3 this year. Pachter is always wrong about everything he sais.

[MrBeatdown]

I'm pretty sure the next Xbox and PlayStation will be announced at E3. That still puts the launch nearly two years away. It would be idiotic for either MS or Sony to sit back and give Wii U a two year head start and risk another console launching ahead of them in 2013.

Even though Sony should focus on the Vita, a Wii U blowout would steal a lot of attention. MS, who has had pretty lame showings in recent years, will undoubtedly use the next Xbox to try to steal the Wii U's thunder. Whether Sony announces a PS4 or not, Vita will be overshadowed. Sony might as well announce it come out swinging rather than risk playing catch-up.

[eraursls84]

@ Kevin Butler, no its not needed (no video game is, they are just a want) but for those of us who have had PS3's for over 6 years it would be welcomed. Not sure if your a late adopter or not but I hear this a lot from people who haven't had a PS3 very long, but there's a reason late adopters wait, and that is price for most. What you have to realize is if you are a late adopter because of price then a PS4 release soon would benefit you since it'll drop to $199 or so by the time your ready to upgrade.

[Kevin ButIer]

@eraursls84 thanks for ur reply, im an early adopter, and i would love to see a new gen... who doesnt XD but for some reason i feel that the current gen can survive for at least 2 years more

[Muffins1223]

Sorry but there just not gonna announce it at e3 to soon for sony.And i dont see Microsoft announcing xbox at e3 but i do see it announcing it after the holidays,like a month or two after halo 4 or some gaming event where people announce stuff that's after halo 4 release date.I think Microsoft will announce there xbox maybe almost a year earlier than sony

[ilovemyps3]

honestly, without being a fanboy:

while ps3 still have a bit of power, to make games like last of us, maybe god of war 4(which should be at least 2 times better than god of war 3), and a few other great games, xbox, with forza 4, gear 3, halo, and a few more exclusives, people, and studios need to admit that there's little power left. would they be able to make a gear of war 4, that would be better than 3 ? i don't think so.

all exclusive games on xbox have showed the maximum the console can give. even if there's still a little power left, i don't think they can handle 2 years, with that hardware.

i think studios desperately need a new xbox. the same with ps3, even if there's still great games announced, i don't think we will see any other killzone 4, or little big planet 3, or infamous 3, on the ps3. there is little power left, really, guys.

like i said in other posts, ps4 and x720 will be ready well sooner than one can think.

sony won't make the same error again, and release a console 1 year after microsoft.

microsoft won't let sony invade the market one year before them, probably with some kinect-like stuff.

i guess all depends on how wii-u will perform.
in any cases, both sony and microsoft won't announce nothing, until.. the other do it.

since microsoft really needs a new system, i guess they will announce it this year, even before E3, so they can grab all the attention, at E3.

so, whenever someone announces his console, the other will do the same, and will announce 1 or 2 months before.

one thing is sure: at Christmas 2013, ps4 and x720 will be available. for Christmas 2012, that depends who will announce something, this year.

they both have the hardware, they have a lot of experience with both ps3 and xbox, they know how to make a new console, how to make it developer-friendly, and how to make it cheap, for everyone. microsoft have had 6 years to develop the new xbox, and ps3, they have cell factories ready to produce cell processors, which should, normally, be the cpu used on ps4.

hardware costs much less than 6 years ago, and they don't need 5 years in R&D to bring a new console. just make a more powerfull ps3, with more ram, a good graphic card and a better bluray drive. for microsoft, just use hddvds,or some sdhc/xc cards, if you don't want to pay for royalties, on blu-ray. a game on a 64gb sd cards could be a good option.a 32gb sdhc card is quite cheap. in 3 years, you need more space? just use 64 or 128gb sdxc cards, they will be cheap. no dvd, no bluray, no hddvd, sd cards could be an option, for x720.

so, honestly, even if you are going to disagree, i wouldn't be surprised if we were playing uncharted 4 or halo 6, in less than 12 months, on our ps4 or x720.

remember, at e3, when microsoft announced the xbox slim? nobody was expecting that bomb. so yes, our favorite consoles may be here sooner than we all think...

[ThichQuangDuck]

Sony promised 10 years for every console and still comes out with PS2 games. Although I know they said they do not want to be as late this coming generation they will not rush and I am sure would show it at either TGS or be willing to make their own event to show it and focus on showing PS3 games and PS Vita

[AlienLion]

I dont see a need for a PS4 either. Not yet, anyway.

[Soplox]

He was right, SONY just said so

[tiffac008]

Pachter making a bold statement that the next PS and Xbox ain't launching anytime soon in 2013! Interesting comments there hmm...

@FatOldMan

Yeah that is usually the case. lol!

[Ducky]

Well, if he said it, then the opposite ends up happening.

[HaHa_Ostrich]

Well, Pachter has better things to do than comment on videogames industry just for the fun of it. Hes a business analyst. Hes been asked a question and he answered it. Its not like hes commenting on games out of his passion. He is not much of a gamer, as far as I know.

[BluEx610]

For an analyst who's always wrong, he sure does get lots of hits lol

I think that the next Xbox and PS will be announced this year. Xbox has clearly slowed down, and are now only focusing on Kinect and Xbox 720. Sony did say they won't leave the competition with too much time left alone in the market like they did with PS3. Even though we might not need a new console, it's coming anyways. Wii U looks promising but not truly next gen graphics/power. Xbox and PS4 can wait a year after Wii U launches in Holiday 2012. If they wait longer than one year, I'll be surprised.

With PS3 exclusives like:
The Last Guardian, Twisted Metal, The Last of Us, Sorcery, MLB the Show, Ni No Kuni, Yakuza DS, Starhawk, Sly Cooper TiT, Tales of Graces, Journey, Tales of Xillia, Jak & Daxter, Agent, FF vs XIII, God of War IV, Sony Title Fight, and also multi-plats coming out for PS3 like Mass Effect 3, Max Payne 3, FF XIII-2, FF XIV, GTA V, Resident Evil 6, CoD, Ninja Gaiden, MGR Revengeance, Devil May Cry, Soul Calibur V, Resident Evil ORC, SSX, Silent Hill, XCOM, FarCry 3, Hitman, Ghost Recon, UFC 3, Darkness II, Prototype 2, Ridge Racer, and many others coming, it would seem weird for Sony to announce a new Console when it's hitting such a strong gaming stride late in it's cycle. But if they do announce a new console there's still plenty of reasons for getting a PS3.

[Father Murder X]

Dude what planet are you on?? The Xbox 360 hasn't slowed down at all. WTF are you talking about. right now they are are doing better than Nintendo or Sony.

[BluEx610]

@ Father Murder X Please give me some facts about how MS is doing better than Sony and Nintendo right now.... List me some exclusives and some features that they're doing. I'm paying $50 a year and it still has no web browser.... Kinect is doing fine but no support for other exclusives.

[Bach]

Well, duh. Why would they do this anyway? The PS3 is doing well and they need to focus on the Vita now.

[steve30x]

Was'nt the PS2 doing well when they announced the PS3? To my knowledge the PS2 was still selling well up to 2010.

[Alabaster]

I wouldn't say 0%. More like 25%, in my opinion.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Could this be Patchers FIRST ever correct prediction???

Because many folk seem to also think that Sony and Microsoft will not unveil their new systems this E3 but maybe at next E3.

However as before if Microsoft was to announce new hardware at E3 it will be launched the same year just a few months i.e. E3 in July, new console in Nov/Dec of the same year as they did with the 360.

However Microsoft could end up suprising everyone with a new console announcement, however I dont think Sony will until later on which then they will probably try to release a console with more ram in order to do better than Microsoft.

[OpiZA]

I like those odds.

[D3mons0ul]

Didn't they already say 2014 at the earliest?

[resistance100]

Well considering Sony don't announce consoles at E3 to begin with. Thats a safe shout by Patcher

[BitbyDeath]

PS3 was announced at E3 2005

[resistance100]

Really? i thought they announced it at their own event before E3. However the details weren't announced to E3

[BitbyDeath]

It was a pre-E3 conference but still part of E3 if you know what I mean. :-)

http://au.gamespot.com/news...

[Jake_the_Dog]

I'm guessing a 2012 unveiling and 2013 release date.

[jizzyjones]

E3 2013 if were lucky

[koehler83]

If there's 0% chance of no PS4 reveal this year, then Sony is 100% idiotic.

In actuality, that puts it at about a 50% chance.

[jthamind]

i hope we don't see the PS4 or 720 released for another couple years.

[loeb80]

I can't understand these stories of a new gen right now or next year.. still enjoy both and still great games to come for the next couple of years.. ..are you already bored with your gaming system...?? ..do you want to spend 6/7/800 $ for a new one....?? ..madness..

[GirlyGamer]

and when they're forced to release the new generations earlier , gamers complain about lack of games, support and all the other things that accompany a new system.

[loeb80]

and also for developers.. this gen it's already very very.. very... expensive.. many of them they're already in bad situations.. ..not the moment yet to invest other money to develop on new machines....

..no hurry for a new gen for me thx

[hellvaguy]

@loeb80

"this gen it's already very very.. very... expensive"

I think that statement is just a complete cop out used by a couple of companies. How else would you explain PC games that have been developed over the past few years using advanced game engines.

[Razongunz]

i don't have anything against a early ps4 announcment..but tbh if sony annonce ps4 tihs year they are stupid..the vita is doing bad enough.. putting ppl of it with a ps4 announce ment would not do any good for the vita..so unless they wanna make their new handheld in a early shadow they will make a wise decision to w8 until 2013 at earliest.

[Les-Grossman]

I would think if Microsoft made the announcement before Sony did then that would just force Sony's hand into announcing something. Since they don't want to play catch up again & all of that

[OcularVision]

Problems with this article:
1. They quoted Michael Pachter, he's practically wrong about everything related to consoles
2. Pachter misinterpreted the '10 year life cycle' as meaning there won't be a successor until almost 10 years after the PS3 launch. Even though it's obvious that Sony will support the PS3 like it did with the PS2 well after the console generation
3. It's not even speculation. Nothing like this has a '0% chance'...

[steve30x]

A lot of people misinteroret the 10 year life cycle of the consoles. This does'nt mean sony and Microsoft will wait until their current consoles are ten years old. It means they will support the consoles for ten years or longer.

[Il_Exile_lI]

There are reports from multiple websites stating that very reliable anonymous sources have said that both these consoles will be announced this year. I'm by no means taking this as confirmation, but I'm putting more stock in that the inane ramblings of Michael Pachter. Almost all of his predictions turn out to be wrong. He just states that new consoles won't release until 2014 as if it is fact, giving no reason or logic to back up that statement.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

MS has a way greater chance of announcing something than Sony, how many years can MS release a sub par Kinect commercial? Its obvious MS has really nothing going on since the launch of Kinect. The Last of us, Twisted Metal, Star Hawk, a new Sly game a rumored Syphon filter and a new God Of War? Plus PlayStation Vita support through out the year. Sony is known for getting a lot done let alone multitasking but trying to support 1st party games, the handheld and announce the PlayStation 4? Sony would explode lol.

[GamingTruth]

with games that look like uncharted 3 and the last of us and whatever else is still in the making for ps3 i still dont see what they are going to bring out a ps4 for especially if what ive seen the best of pc and thats all theyll be able to achieve, cause far as im concerned ps3s exclusives still look like the best games period

[Turdfurgsn]

I agree completely. I have all the systems and an Alienware pc that runs battlefield on max no problem. Comparing that with Uncharted 3 or the upcoming The Last of Us I still am more impressed with the ps3 games. The only thing developers seem to be missing out on is pushing true 1080p on those games.

[Raoh]

I could see sony wanting to release on time with the next xbox.

while each has a fair share of fanboys.

Sony still has a longer list of first party franchises. YOu can miss out on a lot of sony only games if you don't buy the next ps.

But the next xbox? you miss out on halo, forza and fable. outside of some ok titles like alan wake, gears has shown signs of slowing down and all other ms exclusives have been pretty much duds compared to what microsoft promotes.

Outside of xbox loyalty or halo loyalty..

Why get the next xbox over the next playstation if they will be identical in hardware and third party support?

Online will be better and more on par with xbox live.

While kinect is great hardware, A stronger playstation camera like kinect with move controllers beats a just kinect only gaming without move/wiimotes.

Sony only really has one problem next gen. And its a big problem. When the ps4 and xbox 3 are announced and on par in every way, the fanboys teeth will begin to show.

websites with no info or proof will band together to shout sony doom and gloom. Think about it, when the xbox 360 was announced they shouted doom and gloom even before the pricing of the ps3 was announced. some got excited about wireless controllers even though sony already had them bia third party, and the best 360 games outside of halo/gears were sony third party exclusives that went multi platform.

Fanboy Blogs are going to ruin next gen. I think its time to start not going to fanboy websites, including n4g. N4G could be really great if it grew up and got serious.

Look at the recent xboxworld site, throwing out random nonsense game comparisons of what console is jealous of what games. Mind you outside of halo/gears/forza/fable there were just kinect games, lol. Poor delusional website. ps gamers don't care about its own shooters so it doesn't want halo or gears. PS gamers have Gran Turismo so they don't want forza. And sony has a stable of rpgs coming to psn from ps2/psp era and new ones coming to vita, so you can forget fable. Kinect is nice alone but a kinect clone (which sony has had in R&D since before natal was announced) with move controllers and even vita as a controller could beat kinect game wise. all that's left is fanboyism.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I stopped reading when you said "Gears has shown signs of slowing down."

[hellvaguy]

Gear of Wars 3 was easily the best in the series (and best selling), so the comment really came out of left field on it slowing down.

Would be nice if Gears 4 was a multi-platform release.

[takohma]

I just got into the gears series this past gears game. And a bunch of my friends who been playing since the first one told me the same thing. That gears slowed down. They said not as many people played it as much because cross game chat killed it. Idk if he's right I like playing. Some days the number of players seems kind of light with as little as a thousand playing. But the developers support this game pretty good do I'm cool.

[hot111]

Pacther prediction against rumors that come from reliable sources...hmm

My prediction:
Sony will not allow to be left behind this time.Their recent actions(Move,Vita)go along that.PS4 will be announced with one CG trailer only if necessary.

[Ace_Man_6]

I'll take those chances!

[Detoxx]

We'll see, but to be honest, i dont see it happening.. E3 2013 would be the perfect time in my opinion

[SteveSmith]

Patcher said the chance is 0%. So the real number must be around 70%.

[tigertron]

0% chance eh? we'll see Pachter, we'll see. Infact, thats probably a good thing him saying that because the opposite will probably happen.

[Droid Control]

Sony may not actually show the console, but they will talk about it. GUARANTEED.

They, like M$ want to steel the Wii U's thunder.

Remember when Sony told everyone not to buy a Dreamcast - 'Wait a year for the PS2, it'll be worth it!'

[takohma]

I remember that day. And my friend was so excited to get a dreamcast. I said PS2 is gonna be do much better lol.

[Brownghost]

i hope not, many great games have come out this year and many more next year. Also i feel that devs have really gotten used to todays consoles and i feel supporting the vita some time is what should be done

[jetlian]

know pachter was wrong about any console being shown in 2011 in the 2010 bonus round predictions episode!! Wii u was shown at e3.

I feel certain MS will show theirs this year and sony will probably be forced to do the same. MS isn't really concerned with nintendo but i'm totally positive they want to out before sony. waiting to next year is to late

[jacen100]

unless it has something new and innovative i couldent care less,throwing a pile of memory hdd and boasting about how powerfull it is just wont cut it, then on top of that it will probably have a stupid price tag.
i will just throw more upgrades at my pc instead and probably get a wii U and could still possibly have change left if sony hit with a £500 tag again like before

[TheMailman]

I won't even bother explaning but I'm 100% sure MS will announce next Xbox at E3..

[Ps3-PCgamer]

I don't think we will here anything about ps4 this year. Maybe 2013

[evilunklebud]

I've learned not to think in absolutes....

[Silly gameAr]

I want a next gen when there are enough changes in tech to warrant a next gen. I'm just not seeing it now. Don't want to jump into the "next gen" when there are barely any changes from this gen of consoles.

Honestly, I hope they wait. I'm still not finished with this gen anyway.

[blaze22-qwerty]

Double post, sorry!

Anyway.. I dont think sony will annouce PS4 anytime this year

[blaze22-qwerty]

Do you expect us to believe Michael Pachter.. LMAO!

[Angerfist]

This means PS4 Presentation confirmed :D

[Zephol]

Curse yes! cant wait for him!

[SephirothX21]

Here's my prediction. Sony and MS will announce their next consoles at E3 2013. Neither will give the other a head start this time round so I think both consoles will launch fall 2014. I think the next xbox will launch with Kinect II as an optional side product. I expect Uncharted 4 to be a launch title on Playstation 4 and Gears of War 4 to be a launch title for the next xbox (or launch very soon afterwards). I also believe that MGS5 will be a PS4 exclusive but not a launch title. Games like Crysis 3, Agent, Project Ogre, God of War IV, FF Versus XIII, The Last Guardian and Resident Evil 6 will be among the last games released before this gen comes to an end. Might as well go out with a bang.

[takohma]

I heard Gears was all done?

[Les-Grossman]

If the Vita struggles in the U.S. then Sony should focus on the Vita. But if Microsoft announces something with the next XBOX then that will force Sony to announce something. They don't want to play catch up again

[smeg0rz]

hold my word. E3 sony and MS new consoles. very low profile like Wii U was. It's all been discussed right now behind the scenes.

[smeg0rz]

Sony only announcing because MS are by the way. They are very much bothered about being left behind again.

[Mustang300C2012]

IMO it won't be announced for either system. Doesn't make sense. MS with the sales they have had and Sony with the losses and recently released PS Vita. You have a $250 system releasing next month but plan to announce about a brand new console while trying to make money on the current console? Doesn't add up. See you at 2014 E3

[yabhero]

It may not but regardless, this guy is an idiot...

[calactyte]

Ok, I totally disagree with Pachter. I think he's basing his information less on inside sources and more on profit/revenue generation of the PS3. I'm guessing that he think Sony wants to make back some more money on PS3 before introducing a new console.

But that thinking is flawed simply because PS4 in my mind, will be a MUCH cheaper upgrade than PS3 was to PS2. Sony already invested the 3 Billion + in Cell Technology and it costs them way less money to get more SPU's on a chip today than it did in 2006. There are too many signs that Sony is going in this "upgrade" direction rather than start from scratch direction which has the huge benefit of cost savings. The biggest sign is that Sony bought back its Cell Manufacturing plant from Toshiba.

So I predict a simple announcement, White logo on a black background perhaps a glimpse of (pre-rendered footage of 2-3 launch titles) at the very end of E3 2012. At E3 2013 (June), they'll come out guns blazing with the actual machine, pricing and launch titles. Then November 2013 they will launch.

I mean, look at PSP, it launched just about a year before PS3 did. Now we have VITA which I predict will follow the same pattern. Also every 5-6 years Sony has released a console, I just don't see that changing. I hope I'm right, graphics/gameplay/AI are getting stale for me this generation.

[Proeliator]

In other news, Michael Pachter announces that the sun will, in fact, rise tomorrow, and every other day of the year.

[_Aarix_]

Well excluding dec. 21. So even the gods want to proove patcher wrong :p

[BuLLDoG909]

cant see it happening this year, sony are gonna pust Vita this E3, gonna be all about there new handheld

[smeg0rz]

Vita is old news by then in terms of product launch, yeah sure they will focus on games, but they have that in the bag, they can't not release info on a ps4 if MS are announcing, if Sony thought being in the handheld market went against their console marketing decisions they wouldn't have brought out he vita :/

They are no longer in the position to sit back and bring the ps4 out when they want to, they will be doing it same time as MS.

[BuLLDoG909]

i would love to see some tech demos or something off both sony and ms, but sony are gonna mainly be showing off the vita, its brand new and barely been on the shelves,
i reckon at the very most, possibly a sneak peek at something hinting at the ps4 at the end of the show... who knows..

[girlwithturn]

PS1 - 1994;
PS2 - 2000;
PS3 - 2006;
PS4 - 2012.

[_Aarix_]

With that logic the ps4 will have 8gb of ram.

Ps1- 2mb
Ps2- 32mb
Ps3- 512mb
Ps4- 8192mb

[ForROME]

Agreed 100%

these people thinking its coming this yr are ridiculous.

Lets lay it out; Intro of Next Xbox PS4, E3 2013

Release 2014

[ginsunuva]

Well, now that Pachter said it that means it's automatically 100%

[archemides518]

couple things:

1. pretty much confirms that it will get shown

2. why the HECK would anybody tell this dude ANYTHING cuz all he seems to do is blabber whatever "inside" info he has all over the internet

3. it's more likely people are using this dude to control/fake out the public. by now they should be thinking "we should get patcher to say 'zero chance' so we can keep selling ps3s and not have people wait for the ps4".....but we're all too smart for that.

[ZeV]

Pachter is a faked guy ! All these predictions are a pathetic fail...

Sony will announce a PS4 at E3 this year for sure...However,a retail release is probably set for early 2014.

[YIZZY]

I need some input from you fellow gamers. I currently own a ps3 and have been a playstation owner since ps1.I love gaming and mostly FRS games, sports, and the GTAS. I bought BF3 for PS3 was dissappointed to find that the trailers shown were for pc. The graphics were better and the games could contain up to 60 sumthin players. Somebody made a comment on another fourm on this site and said that consoles will never be able to be as good as computers because computers r consistantly being updated. So my question is whether u guys think the ps4 will have the capability 2 equal a pcs graphics and capabilities and whther or not I should consider buying a good gaming pc because instead of invsting in a ps4 (which will probably be around 1000 dollars considering how the ps3 was $600 at lauch, then my ps3 broke becausde of YLOD and i bought another ps3 for $350. Thats more than $1000 with taxes)Should I just invest in a pc which can do multiple things and will prob be same price with more capabilities? How much will a pretty good gaming pc go for. Thanks any input is helpful

[ThirstyforFanta]

PS4 - E3 2013
XBOX720 - E3 2012

DONE

[reggie18]

Meanwhile, at IGN...

http://games.ign.com/articl...

(Report: BOTH New Xbox and PS4 Will Be Shown At E3)

[smeg0rz]

Meanwhile on melee island

[Orionsangel]

Thanks out of touch old man that doesn't play video games. We trust you.

[smeg0rz]

Psp December Japan launch 2004
Ps3 announced July e3 2005
Ps3 November Japan launch 2006

Vita december japan launch 2011
Ps4 announced July e3 2012
Ps4 launched 2013 world wide ( as the blue diodes will not delay European release again)

[Dogswithguns]

I can agree on that..

[yokokoroma]

It would be foolish to think otherwise, the PS3 is not at the end of it's life cycle.

[gigarath]

The Playstation 2 wasn't at the end of its life cycle until 2010, and yet the Playstation 3 came out in 2006. It wouldn't be too far off the mark if the Playstation 4 was announced at E3 2012, to be released in 2013. I think that most people, like myself buy a system two years or so after the generation starts so that all the consoles can get established and so that you can tell if the system your spending money on will continue to have new games made for it. I bought a PS2 in 2003, I bought a Wii in 2009.

[videoxgamexfanboy]

Ive said this before and ill say it again. I just dont feel like ive gotten the most outta my ps3 yet. For me i can wait a couple more yrs for a new ps4. Now my 360 on the other hand, i feel its time for a next gen xbox. And dont mistake my comments for a fanboy because i love all video game systems. Its just that i feel that the 360 is maxed out and theres nothing left to see...

[sak500]

Since this guy is always wrong i hope they announce both consoles this year. I've been playing 360 since jan 2006. In between i've had 3 cellphones (iphone, nokia n900, LGoptimus 3D) costing me few 1000$. Also had 2 full HD TVs and one full HD 3D tv. I can't wait to buy a new console.

Why not? We see new notebooks, netbooks, tablets, mobile devices every few months and these consoles have well run their course.

[Asgaro]

PACHTER SUCKS BALLS

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Now that I think about it. Announcing it at TGS would prolly be better.

[Petebloodyonion]

I can understand that Patcher is not a popular guy on this site but he's quite right on this matter!

Microsoft is riding the kinect wave and still have a price drop to announce.

From Sony's perspective it would be illogical as well since they invested a lot on exclusives, marketing and price drop for the year 2011 to re establish the PS3 as dominant gaming machine. Sony will probably put the focus on Vita (and they need to).

[CyrusNightshade]

I can agree that sony is not going to show the PS4. For them to show it, that would mean they have the hardware up and running with games already in development.

If anything there will be an annoucment maybe a concept video montage.

[t0mmyb0y]

You go girl.

[ilovemyps3]

honestly, without being a fanboy:

while ps3 still have a bit of power, to make games like last of us, maybe god of war 4(which should be at least 2 times better than god of war 3), and a few other great games, xbox, with forza 4, gear 3, halo, and a few more exclusives, people, and studios need to admit that there's little power left. would they be able to make a gear of war 4, that would be better than 3 ? i don't think so.

all exclusive games on xbox have showed the maximum the console can give. even if there's still a little power left, i don't think they can handle 2 years, with that hardware.

i think studios desperately need a new xbox. the same with ps3, even if there's still great games announced, i don't think we will see any other killzone 4, or little big planet 3, or infamous 3, on the ps3. there is little power left, really, guys.

like i said in other posts, ps4 and x720 will be ready well sooner than one can think.

sony won't make the same error again, and release a console 1 year after microsoft.

microsoft won't let sony invade the market one year before them, probably with some kinect-like stuff.

i guess all depends on how wii-u will perform.
in any cases, both sony and microsoft won't announce nothing, until.. the other do it.

since microsoft really needs a new system, i guess they will announce it this year, even before E3, so they can grab all the attention, at E3.

so, whenever someone announces his console, the other will do the same, and will announce 1 or 2 months before.

one thing is sure: at Christmas 2013, ps4 and x720 will be available. for Christmas 2012, that depends who will announce something, this year.

they both have the hardware, they have a lot of experience with both ps3 and xbox, they know how to make a new console, how to make it developer-friendly, and how to make it cheap, for everyone. microsoft have had 6 years to develop the new xbox, and ps3, they have cell factories ready to produce cell processors, which should, normally, be the cpu used on ps4.

hardware costs much less than 6 years ago, and they don't need 5 years in R&D to bring a new console. just make a more powerfull ps3, with more ram, a good graphic card and a better bluray drive. for microsoft, just use hddvds,or some sdhc/xc cards, if you don't want to pay for royalties, on blu-ray. a game on a 64gb sd cards could be a good option.a 32gb sdhc card is quite cheap. in 3 years, you need more space? just use 64 or 128gb sdxc cards, they will be cheap. no dvd, no bluray, no hddvd, sd cards could be an option, for x720.

so, honestly, even if you are going to disagree, i wouldn't be surprised if we were playing uncharted 4 or halo 6, in less than 12 months, on our ps4 or x720.

remember, at e3, when microsoft announced the xbox slim? nobody was expecting that bomb. so yes, our favorite consoles may be here sooner than we all think...

go on guys, make that disagree button warm, with your clics ;)

[sak500]

Agreed. I dont know why people are so defensive with their current gen consoles. 6~7 years in console life and people are still bothered at mere mention of new gen. I'm sure the people who are still so scared of new gen are school going kids who can't afford yet to buy new consoles or who are late to the party.

I bought my first 50" HD TV back in 2005 Dec, that was just 720p and w/o hdmi. I paid a price which can now get me Full 1080p 60" 3D LED but I enjoyed it fully. Same way i have been enjoying 360 from jan 2k6 till date. It maybe due to the fact i was in 30s and with solid job for many years that i could afford my hobbies.

But there are many like us out there who want to really see the next gen tech this year. For crying out loud the phones are coming with tons of GB in ram and yet the consoles are still struggling with the MBs.

[Inception]

PS4? What the hell is pachter talking about?
I still excited with my PS3 :D

[goldwyncq]

Does anyone even take this guy seriously?

[guitar_nerd_23]

Theres got to be at least one of two anounced this year, current hardware is starting to feel tired imo.

[The_Abbad]

It's pretty annoying when people type these huge paragraphs and they don't know what they're talking about.When it comes to e3, anything can happen(ff13 xbox360).

[SnowBlu]

0%? thats less than 9 thousand!

[Father Murder X]

I just hope that if the Vita fails it doesn't affect the ps4 in any way. M$ probably in their wildest dreams didn't imagine the 360 being around and being relevant 7 years after launch. They have been playing with house money for the last 2-3 years building a next gen war chest. They are probably in better shape than Sony to take a hit next gen. This means that they will probably put some tech in the 720 that Sony will have to match or exceed which means more loss per console. Economic warfare at it finest.

[XboxInnovation]

lol @ anyone that thought there would be an announcement this year. Stop believing the dumb articles with fake rumors. You will know when next-gen close when you start seeing games this gen that feel like a next-gen game. We are not even close. 2015 is my earliest guess, at least for Sony.

[N4g_null]

Just get a wiiu no need for new Sony and xbox. What else could they add? No hd gamer can afford real power, $700 consoles and $90 games.