Did Microsoft just S*** on Oddworld fans?

A possible Xbox 360 version of Stranger's Wrath HD was on the cards but it seems Microsoft didn't want to play ball with Just Add Water.

[Gearshead75]

That is total garbage!!! Well if PS3 makes this happen guess I still be able to give it some love.

[suicidalblues]

it's on psn now!

[typikal82]

I thought it was going to be a mp release.

Im going to support JAW and get it with my xmas psn card money. I only got a few hours into the original.

[SSKILLZ]

M$ sh!ting on its Fanboys how is that news , they love it when M$ dose this to them.

[Laxman]

No Nexus-Knight (you seem like a $ony fanboy yourself to be honest), Fanboys do not love it when this happens. As an Xbox owner who unfortunately doesnt own a PS3 anymore, I can say this is very upsetting to hear and I an im no way pleased I will not get to play this game.

There is no need to result to console-bashing, as its we gamers who should be united in this matter. Its the industry as a whole which is damaged by this injustice, as this is the kind of game that should be experinced by anyone and everyone, as if it sold well it would show publishers there is still a market for originality and innovation (something getting increasingly rare nowadays).

[orange-skittle]

JUST SHUT UP ALL YOU WHINERS! No one was in the meeting when this deal was being made, so unless you have the scoop...shut up. Secondly, Nexus Knight is ignorant. XBL has 7x more arcade games than PS3 w/ free trials and you complain about them not agreeing w/ JAW on the release of an Original Xbox game? Do you people just argue and cry for the hell of it or do you think before you make stupid comments? Grow up! Not only does MS give you more games to download, they also have a much bigger XBOX 360 library to download compared to PSN. Choose your battles

[Jdub895O]

someone disagrees that isnt on psn right now. Well im to reassure you it is on psn as of right now.

Cant wait for the disagrees.

[chainer3000]

@orange-skittle

I agreed with the first sentence of your post, but then you should have just taken your own advice. Not everyone thinks quantity > quality. I own both, and I don't make any stupid insinuations with dollar signs as an "S". These are major corporations, money is the bottom line, the driving force - for all of them.

[SilentNegotiator]

Well, then it will never be on Xbox now -_-

http://www.destructoid.com/...

I guess JAW got tired of jumping through hoops to get on LIVE.

[Disccordia]

This news is like a year old. The game is too big to fit on Xbox live which iirc has a 2gb limit. Recently games have got around it by using games on demand but it's a silly workaround for sure

[gaffyh]

@jdub - Unwritten rule on N4G #1: If you complain about getting disagrees, you get more disagrees.

[Jinxstar]

Orange skittle.

The "scoop" was on the PSNation podcast where the head of marketing and PR (I believe thats his title anyway)Stewart Gilray of JAW explained the whole thing.

http://www.psnation.org/201...

Start about 15 min in and it should cover everything

Basically though MS has a lot of bureaucracy they were unwilling to bend to help make this game possible on 360.

[beastgamer]

I think that's a stupid excuse. I think M$ just didn't like the fact that the game was going on the ps3.

[Laxman]

Microsoft wouldnt care if $ony were also getting the game. In fact, they would have wanted it to NOT be an exclusive. There would be a reason behind this.

[Brosy]

Where are all the people like White Lighting who say there are never slam articles against Microsoft... You can buy the original on XBL. It's not like this is a big deal to 360 fans. Maybe to nerds who are very picky in their game collection. It's not like it's a full retail release either. So the only way anyone is going to care is if you are bragging about your digital download collection. It's not like you can hand them box and say "take a look".

[GribbleGrunger]

yeah, because everyone knows that one negative article about MS is equal to weeks and weeks of negative (made up) articles about Sony.

see those two bubbles? i got one removed for being negative about the Vita. so don't automatically think this is a fanboy reply. consider the facts

[BitbyDeath]

@Brosy, the difference is that this is actually news as opposed to 99% of the anti-Sony articles which are mostly opinions of journalists who repeatedly attack Sony on a regular basis for easy hits.

[delosisland]

Why did Brosy get 13 disagrees??? It's true the original has been available on xbl for a long time...sigh

[Human Analog]

Brosy is right that we can get it in the original format. But with the HD remake, and 16:9 format, and for $14.99 I don't see how the original can compare.

I played the original, and it is up there on my top 10 list. I will be getting it on PSN next week. I feel for the people who only have one option in this matter.

Hopefully Microsoft will figure it out, and let the fans (who are the ones missing out) enjoy a top notch game.

[showtimefolks]

look for all the right MS has done some of their policies are just plain dumb business choices. Valve has said that they like and appreciate how sony is with developer about psn.

in the long run i think these policies are only gonna hurt the xbox brand and xblive in general.

with nintendo launching their online service, they have 2 example in front of them psn/xblive so they can learn from both and make the best choices for them self and their fans

and next gen developers will have 3 options pcn/xblive and nintendo's service so if MS keep these bulyl rules up some of the developer may just say WTF and leave xblive brand all together

now i know you may say i am just being a fanboy which i am not i have both xbox360 and ps3. thing is this gen MS were the first ones out next time around that's not gonna happen so unless you arre on equal playing field i think it could hurt them in long term

MS think we want apps for facebook,twitter and more social media crap than actual games, someone needs to teel them as much as they want xbox360 to be a living room media box end of the day its still a gaming machine and most of their fanbase are still gamers

[gamingdroid]

Well if it hurts consumers and by extension MS, they will have to change their tune or see Xbox Live decline.

There are no worries, as you have alternatives and competition in the market.

[snipes101]

It's ironic that this was an exclusive on the original xbox and now it would seem that Microsoft is turning their back on them or just not bending at all. This is crap...I wanted this for my Xbox. Microsoft really needs to open things up a bit in 2013 if the rumors of a new console ring true.

This is almost as bad as when Nintendo wouldnt allow the remastered goldeneye be published because of some small licensing issue.

Oh well...PS3 it is.

[hellvaguy]

@Snipes
It's not really that ironic when u look at the game selling very poorly. Why you u make an exclusive deal with a game that lost a lot of money because of low sales? (with that said, it did recieve some solid reviews)

[moparful99]

Why is it that a company who charges for its online features would have a 2 gig file size limit but the company who doesn't charge has no limit?? That's odd...

[andrewsqual]

This did not launch the same day on Xbox Live as it did on PSN. Microsoft stated earlier this year that if games are NOT released at the same time as they are on PSN, they don't want it EVER. JAW aren't weak morons that give into shit politics like this. And that is why it isn't coming to it unless Microsoft goes back on its word ("360 doesn't need HDMI", "We support HDDVD unless it dies, then we support digital downloads", Xbox 360 will always be a gaming console first") Yeah don't worry it will come to Xbox Live.

[PirateThom]

Microsoft would rather have apps for Twitter and Youtube rather than games. No reason for that limit at all.

[Hellsvacancy]

Rofl, true, so true!

+1

[JellyJelly]

Although there are more XBLA exclusives than there are PSN exclusives. Look it up...or just blindly disagree with me if that feels easier :)

[Persistantthug]

Basically, Microsoft is better able to push smaller, indie dev teams around.
Microsoft forces their publishing on indie developers, which means most of those games have little to no hope of appearing on other platforms other than PC.

I won't push the disagree button on you, but I just wanted you understand the full story.

[gamingdroid]

@Persistantthug

How is MS forcing "their publising" on indie developers?

As far as I know, indie developers are free to publish on whatever platform they want as evident, that has happened multiple times.

The thing with indie developers is that they don't have a "publisher" which means getting on any other platform other than PC is next to impossible. Nobody else, but MS has a platform that indie devs can publish without a publisher.

I don't see how that is MS fault for being indie friendly?....

[Persistantthug]

That also means they get to keep more of the profits....obviously.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

Having more XBLA "exclusives" isn't necessarily a good thing, especially when those XBLA games aren't exactly top notch. Have you seen some of the XBLA Indie games? Sony has quality guidelines, but they're still pretty open about letting indie devs put games on the PSN.

[gamingdroid]

@Persistantthug

That's not forcing "their" (i.e. one of MS') publisher on indie developers. That is a requirement to have 'A' publisher and ONLY applies to Xbox Live Arcade. If you get a publisher, you can publish on any platform you want in addition to Xbox Live as many already have done.

That is just a way to weed out the crap.

If you want to "self" publish on Xbox Live, you can!!! It's called Xbox Live Indie Games and anyone with a $100 can self-publish.

That said, I have not heard you can "self" publish with PSN. You have to be selected by Sony to be able to publish on PSN. So unless you are selected, you ain't selling any games on PSN. Those selected are likely to have gotten a publishing agreement anyhow, because they are the cream of the crop.

So if anything, in the end you have far less chance of getting on PSN than you would on Xbox Live platform that only excludes people that doesn't have a $100 or live in a non-supported region.

Do you have any sources to backup your "indicated" claim that ANY indie developer can self-publishing on PSN?

[Crystallis]

LOL! that is probably one of the most truthful statements anyone has made on this site. Bubbles up sir!

[WetN00dle69]

I dont know about you but the UFC app is great!!
Ill be watching UFC 141 for free this Friday.

Anyways MS fcked up!
Im glad i have the ps3 for when MS fcks shite up!

[lashes2ashes]

How are you watching it for free. Last time I checked you still have to pay for the pay per view even with the UFC app

[WetN00dle69]

It was free for a limited time. It was a first come first serve type of thing. BUT keep a look out they are going to start offering the PPV for free again for a limited number of people. Might be today or a few hours before it starts. So KEEP your eyes peeled!

[Noteworthy]

Didn't really play the game so directly it doesn't affect myself, but I hear arcade game sales are falling. Could the lack of marketing and games recently have something to do with that?

[RaidensRising]

Stranger's Wrath was one of the best produced games on Xbox. It was exclusive back then but bombed. Maybe this is just rough justice - but then again, why should fans bite the bullet?

[bunt-custardly]

Shame. I never got to play this on xbox, and loved the old side-scrolling PS1 games. May just pick this up on PS3 during the dry months.

[kane_1371]

you better know that stranger's wrath has nothing to do with the Abe's odyssey etc games that came out on ps1
Oddworld is like the Tom Clancy games. it has the Oddworld but it isn't in the same world or story which confused me for a while

[LettingGo]

Buy this and support this team. They're fantastic developers!

[dirthurts]

Indeed. Perhaps if this sells well they will make another.

[Jayjayff]

what is it about? i want a new game, but i don't want to be distracted so much... a downloadable title that can get to me.... is this it ?

[snipes101]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

This will tell you everything you need to know, but I will say this was a full title on the original xbox, not a bite sized Arcade game. If I remember correctly, it took me around 10 hours to get through this.

[Parapraxis]

MS really acts like PSN/SONY has cooties, it's bloody immature.

[DigitalRaptor]

Hahah not heard that word in quite a while.

But you're right. Not accepting a game on to your platform because it's been on another console previously is an immature way to treat game developers and bad industry action. I'm glad Sony doesn't do this with developers who have previously been published on XBLA. You can tell when certain companies hold better standards for developers and Microsoft has poor standards when it comes to this aspect. In reality, Microsoft sh*ts on everyone though, developers and their fans.

As far as I was aware, the game didn't come to XBLA because Microsoft has a limit on Arcade games, and this game is over 3GB.

[Noticeably_FAT]

If anyone really wanted to play it, just pick up a copy on the original Xbox format.

Microsoft has file size limits and this one went over, move along and nothing more to see here.

If Microsoft gamer's were really interested in the game in the first place they would have actually bought it when it released. It was a solid game, but nothing fantastic or really innovative.

[Godmars290]

1) There have been a number of improvements and added content to this version.

2) With there being no file restrictions on the 360's other game DL service, the only thing keeping this version off of XBL is a bureaucratic position.

[SilentNegotiator]

@Noticeably_Trolling

Read the article. They made changes to accommodate their silly 2GB restriction.

"If Microsoft gamer's were really interested in the game in the first place they would have actually bought it when it released"
-
So the tiny amount of people that bought the original xbox are the same multiply higher amount of people that own Xbox 360s?

[RaidensRising]

@ Noticeable_Troll

This is a silly comment to make. With your mentality there would be no point releasing any HD versions of older games. And I think you'll find, there's quite a few more Xbox gamers now than there were back in 2004.

[Heartnet]

MIcrosoft arnt gonna bend their rules for any developer lol.. If they let one developer go over there 2gb Limit then they have to allow others..

Its not Microsofts fault that the game went over that limit so therefor its not their fault.. Developers knew what file size it must be and they didnt stick to it.. Their fault not microsofts

[pwnmaster3000]

Actually if you read the article, jaw tweaked it to be under 2g.
So is actually ms fault.

[-EvoAnubis-]

@Heartnet: It used to be much lower. They increased it for a few games. I recall Castlevania: SotN being a specific example of a game they increased the limit for.

Edit: For some reason, I couldn't make the links I found for this at 1up.com work, but here's one that more or less did a copy/paste of it:

http://www.xbox360achieveme...

[moparful99]

@Noticeably_FAT
Reasons why your comment is entirely flawed
1)Improved graphics.
2)Smoother frame rates.
3)Achievements/Trophies
4)If you bothered to read the article the developer lowered the file size to meet the 2gig requirement
5)This game was released on the original xbox which had half the fanbase that the 360 does.

Case and point the is all Microsofts fault. If Sony doesn't charge for their online and no file size limits then why does Microsoft? Nothing you and the blinded 360 zealots say can excuse Microsoft for once again screwing up..

[kane_1371]

yeah, and that is possible since the original Xbox games are so easy to find. :/
I can still find most of PS2 games around, but there is no place that sells Xbox games, and when you find them, it is always Halo

[Tanir]

MS has been taking a S**t on people since kinect. 2 exclusives a year, Live price hike, useless updates that brainwwash people into thinking advertisements everywhere make it feel professional and instead of streamlining live for games it just adds stuff that has nothing to do with games

[theeg]

just picked up the pc version for $2.50 on steam, it's on sale until jan 2nd for that price;

http://store.steampowered.c...

runs at a perfect 60 on my 5 series nvidia in 1080p

when it first launched it had issues according to many people, ran terrible, artifacts ect.
again, at least for me on a 5 series nvidia, it runs flawless and is a very fun game.

well worth $2.50

[dirthurts]

This is the version that may get the hd upgrades eventually right?
Sweet deal either way.

[FlashXIII]

Microsoft have been shitting all over gamers for a while now, I'm used to it. Still recovering from the steaming pile they left when they added the new god awful dashboard ui update.

[Vega75]

More like MS took a s*** on the dev. Since they and most of ps3 owners are mostly complaining about this. Especially when you can get this game on steam during their holiday sale. I'm sure everyone has a PC that can play this game. So why bitch and moan.

[Godmars290]

And yet again we get the typical "If its 360-only you're missing out/If its PS3-only you're not missing much." Which seems to come from the 360/PC crowd.

[RememberThe357]

So true.

[NinjaSky]

I want Munch's Oddessy HD instead

[tickticktick]

msxbox-world.com is a Sony fan site in disguise, for people who don't know. It goes both ways, there are Sony sites on here that are just Xbox fans.

[Sanetoshi]

Not really. They do all sorts of articles, like this for example: http://www.msxbox-world.com...

I think, to a certain degree, you want to call out the things you like when you think they're being dumb, because it's only through complaining about the problems that you can encourage them to do better in the future. I'm not sure I know a single person who wouldn't want the things they like to be the best they can possibly be.

[LettingGo]

Thank you!!!

[kane_1371]

wow, you guys are desperate huh?
I guess next you do is call Planet Xbox a Sony fan since even THEY wrote few article complaining and wondering why SONY doesn't make the same mistakes.

Wow, just give it a rest already!

[AgentWD40]

on the original xbox so I am not missing out, but I think 360 gamers should have been given the choice. Lucky for me if I get the itch to play it ill get it on ps3

[FlyGuyHung]

How is Microsoft shitting on anyone (in this case)?! Xbox owners can purchase the original for Xbox. Who the hell cares about Oddworld anyway? I own the original for Xbox and no one is missing anything worth bending over backwards for. So you (possibly) cant purchase an HD version of a some-what decent game that came out years ago... big deal! Like XBLA doesn't have a monsoon of better games to play.

[PirateThom]

So, if the XBox version is available, why not allow the HD version to be made available instead?

Oh, because Microsoft just make the rules up as they go along. File size for XBox version is fine, file size for HD version as it's on XBLA is wrong.

Swiss cheese argument.

[RevXM]

Im not going to dive into and tell you exactly how this stupid shit works for microsoft but there is some sort of system... only its all just retarded.

I believe they categorize games and each category have their unique rules.
XBLA, full 360 games, xbox originals etc...

swiss cheese indeed...

Microsoft... xbox division... I f you see this... How about a new year resolution? drop this stupid rules and policies, and make more great exlusives and a new franchise or two.

[pucpop]

these size limits are no excuse. sad. awesome game, gonna get it.

[turgore]

I just got it yesterday on PSN and from the little I played it seems like a great game ! So you should get it either on PSn or PC !

[Vino]

Honesty I loved the odd world games, the developers were planning to make a game in the future but I don't know if they dropped it altogether or their planning to make it since they reopened their studio I saw some concept art in a old issue of game informer.

[maniacmayhem]

A lot more and even better games out right now on xbl but this is the game everyone was waiting for for 360.

sure.

[Parapraxis]

To quote Godmars290 above.
"And yet again we get the typical "If its 360-only you're missing out/If its PS3-only you're not missing much." Which seems to come from the 360/PC crowd."

Spot on, he nailed it, you just proved that.

[maniacmayhem]

Really? So 360 owners were waiting patiently for this game? Where exactly did I first praise this game? When did I say your not missing much when its now ps3 only?

edit:
I find it funny when I read some of the comments above and how some people blow this way out of proportion and to bash MS. but this isn't pointed out by you.

And it works both ways parapraxis don't fool yourself.

[pwnmaster3000]

The article is talking about oddworld fans on the 360, not the whole 360 fan in general. Stop defending ms.
Some people like playing an updated version of there fav game, like turning it into hd and adding extra content.
Like how people bought sotc hd and gow hd.
Is like putting sotc hd on the 360. Sony would of shitted all over sotc fans.
Not ps3 fans, but sotc fans.

[Cueil]

I personally like the game... got it for 1.25 on Steam

[girlwithturn]

Oddworld was always PlayStation's franchise. This is a mistake that pastgen's games was develop for MS console.

[SweatyFlorida]

Agreed. The original Oddworld fans who missed out on SW can now enjoy it on the Playstation brand!

But loving the game, the devs really surpassed my expectations with this HD remake, game looks beautiful!

Here's hoping JAW remakes the original Oddworlds in HD! (Imagine them with Trine 2 like graphics/effects 'o')

[BuLLDoG909]

you people saying how its not MS fault, that file size is over 2gb...

did u even read the article ??
they got it down to the right size but MS still wouldnt play ball

[Cueil]

MS wont publish any game that is on another system... that's just policy you can like it or you can not like it, but the powers that be have that in place for a reason even if we don't agree with it.

[Nodoze]

Proving how MS act like spoiled children every chance they get.

Hey let's punish our fanbase, and the publisher for putting out quality software on another platform...

but but I really want to play Joe Danger..and that was Sony exclusive

Ok exception granted.

MS needs to leave gaming before they ruin it entirely. In game advertising, Dashboard advertising, paying to play online, DLC etc are all things MS pioneered.

We would be MUCH better off without them.

[BuLLDoG909]

yes, MS can seem very petty all the time, anyone can tell by there actions that they blatantly dont give too shits about there fanbase at the end of the day,

maybe they just dont care because of how badly it done originally on the xbox

[bobrea]

I don't have any poop on me, so I don't think so.

[Unlimax]

Look at your Avatar .. !

[DonaldBeck]

epic fail

[-EvoAnubis-]

Well, at least the file limit is more than 50MB like it was back in the day. 2GB is still pretty silly, though. Hell, Siren: Blood Curse on PSN was, all added up, 14GB. And that game came out forever ago.

[Ness-Psi]

that under 2gb limit is pretty shitty to be honest, i know MS want games to be in quick downloadable chunks but you miss out on some classic stuff.

especially when this was an xbox exclusive to begin with?

I wonder if games like AMY, I am alive will suffer for this too.

[adamant715]

It's not even that great of a game.. get over it

[GarandShooter]

Aesop's "The Fox and the Grapes" comes to mind.

[adamant715]

huh

[Hicken]

The worst part, adamant, is that you didn't even bother to look it up.

A nice version I found for you in less than 3 minutes:

"Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked, 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves."

[moparful99]

$10 says that if this was the other way around you would have been on here blowing your 360 trumpet and clamoring at just how great live is.. Typical hypocrisy...

[adamant715]

Not really. I played this game back on the original xbox and it was honestly nothing special.

[kane_1371]

nobody really expected from you to know what Aesop's The Fox and the Grapes is

[Vino]

Not that great of a game, strangers wrath was one of the reasons why i liked the exclusives on the xbox, as well as mech assault, Crimson Skies High Road to Revenge, and stubbs the zombies.

[shoestring]

Oh MS, First you kill basically off RARE

Than you recently ruined Metal Gear HD collection for everyone by threatening Konami to remove all previous extras(due to lack of DVD disc space) and other misc sony related content(ape escape easter eggs and cameos) or wouldn't have been allowed to be released on 360

And now this.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

This is the only thing MS does to shit on its fans?...

LMFAO!

The lack of amount of sheer exclusives releasing for the console and non-multiplat games... was a hot enough turd on me... yet alone all the console failures I've gone through. I've only bought 2 360's and through warrantys Im now on my 12th. If this one goes, I will go!

[urwifeminder]

Great game but i finished it on xbox one i can remember it well, its good that other players finally get the hand me down a gen late , enjoy this ps3 owners it was a fun game but i would not bother again myself.

[gypsygib]

I feel the attitude toward 360 is changing, before everyone loved it, now the younger gamers (COD teenies) are starting to think it sucks, at least according to my 13 and 16 year brothers and their friends who are just now moving up from Wii.

With pay-to-play online and MS points, younger gamers think 360 buyers are stupid....but all these guys play is COD and sports games, and people coming from a Wii don't care is a multiplat looks 3% worse on PS3 at all.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

I know my younger cousins wouldn't have their LIVE always paid or fresh copies of COD or FIFA if my uncle weren't playing it. He's the only reason they have the games they do, so they are happy...

my uncle hates the price of LIVE and the fact he has to pay for it at all... and if my little cousins had to pay for LIVE they wouldn't spend their allowance on it... and without LIVE games like COD/GEARS etc.. would get old right after the campaign!

[Tose]

meeeh, HD remakes are pointless unless there in a collection, whats the point payin 30-40 for a resolution bump and a few added details when you could get off yo lazy ass and order the game cheaper online? games that get remade should be done right- like in the halo remake where they actually improved the graphics, added things. (maybe not fuck up the multiplayer : P) these HD remakes that the sony games be doin are shameless cash ins and are a testament to the foolish minds of people-unless like I said, you get two in one, then it's kinda worth it.

[Delicious Malicious]

Odd World Sucked anyways

[ginsunuva]

It has no guns with bullets. No sale for MS.

[Tose]

lul

[shinrock]

it's actually a lose 4 JAW.it would have sold more on XBL anyway.

[MasterCornholio]

If i am not mistaken the Vita is getting some oddworld games right? If so cant wait to play them.

[NeloAnjelo]

If it doesn't have Kinect then MS aren't interested.
One less game for the core gamers.

[Droid Control]

I'm sick of M$' bull/

I've still got my orginal Xbox copy.

Where is the HD versions of Splintercell and POP?

Frak M$! Stabbed all of us long time fans in the back with crap like this, no exclusives, and Kinect.

[dragonelite]

uuhm if games are bigger couldn't they go on the Games on Demand channel. Resident evil 4 hd did that if im not mistaken.

[IamRaj]

isn't it old news? i think its not on xbox live coz of its size..

[masa2009]

How an article about some random HD remake of a low selling last gen game gets top billing on N4G...

PS3 fanboy: "Awesome, some website made a disparaging headline against the Xbox. Sure that's just 3rd rate journos looking for hits, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of my happiness to see the system I don't own get thrashed! Let's play it up! And when it's done I can go back to playing Uncharted 3 with piece on my mind."

Xbox fanboy: "Man there's an article that's dissing my console, I'm sure there's gotta be some PS3 fanboys who will jump on the occasion to crap some more on my favourite system.
Damn if I know anything about that game Oddworld, but that's not going to prevent me from chiming in! And once I'm done, I can go back to playing Gears of War 3 with a feeling of satisfaction inside."

And thus some 2 cent article became a major headline on N4G.

[BABY-JEDI]

No Christmas spirit in this article or debate!!!
What debate ?

[nik666uk]

Microsoft shit on their heads and they thank them for the hat!!