Infinity Ward Recycles Buildings on MW3 Straight From Cod4

Finallevel: After a little gameplay on the new call of duty modern warfare 3 I discover that not everything in this game has been made from scratch, is this how Activision make it so easy to pump out a new game every single year?

Whilst I don’t think it’s a bad thing to do this in a game I found it quite humorous that they would make it just so obvious.

[JellyJelly]

For shame, Activision.

[meetajhu]

TSIA MW1+MW2=MW3.

[nveenio]

It's all about the Benjamins, baby. (Or whoever is on the $60 bill.)

[killcycle]

quoue today for mw3 was so long, milk milk milk

[hakis86]

HONESTLY, what did you expect? They've recycled maps before, this time at least it's only buildings (so far???).
Wouldn't surprise me if you have to buy a mappack with a few old levels with new textures.

[guitarded77]

Many games reuse resources... while I'm against the DLC milk machine that will come very soon, the reuse of a building model is not a big deal.

[bviperz]

It struck me when I was watching their new game modes trailer that all the maps look familiar. They weren't kidding when they said CoD is now the Madden of online shooters.

[Elimin8]

They've been recycling since the first game..... Price "the character" also has been the same since the first CoD... Sadly, it will sell boatloads...

[newhumanbreed]

@Elimin8

I wouldn't say that Price is recycled, but rather just the original Infinity Ward's favorite character. In MW3, I'd say he is recycled and just used for selling a game since the original team is not behind it.

[JhawkFootball06]

Infinity Ward needs to step up. I don't want no scrubs.

[Joe2911]

And they didn't recycle stuff in BF3?

Heck EA churns out the same crappy sports titles every year!

[Kurylo3d]

eh... no ... no i cant say that bf3 did recycle anything... sorry to put a hole in your argument lol

[Trebius]

BF3 didnt recycle anything moron, they rehauled their whole engine! CoD uses the same engine every year. Do some research little boy.

[Heartnet]

@trebius..

U can still bring over models etc from different Engines lol there probz made in a 3d modelling package to begin with so...

[Getowned]

Battlefield has reycles builings before and we even see the same building used over and over in BC and BC2,BF3.Whats the point of this article ?

[Joe2911]

I only own BF3, I have played it a lot and I run past certain buildings like 'huh, I saw that in BC2 or BC1', guess its just me

.. no need to call me a moron, I wasn't attacking your beloved BF3. Unlike a fanboy, I will be getting both.

Edit: I'm 6'1 so hardly a little boy, I prefere just above national average man. Oh wait, you can't reply.... 1 bubs

[Joe2911]

The moment where you post something which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[trancefreak]

Just got my copy of milk of magnesium 3 and it is explosive.

[Scizz]

Everyone always compares BF3 with BC2 and BC. Aren't you suppose to compare it with BF2. That was the good game. That's like comparing MW3 to Black Ops and World at War.

[theaceh]

Why are people surprised? This is Guitar Hero development practices all over again.

[Piegoose]

All COD's are similar. I love WAW and MW2, but all of them are still the same thing.

[Raptura]

MW3 copies from itself. In the third level there's 2 primary civilians:

1) Black Guy - Red Shirt
2) White Guy - Blue/White Jacket

Anyone else notice this?

[BattleAxe]

Battlefield Bad Company 1 & 2 had the same buildings throughout the entirety of both games. I'd be surprised if they didn't use some of the same buildings in BF3.

[StraightPath]

I laughed seeing this.

[Kurylo3d]

its called good marketing... besides... what do u care. Does it really make a different that they reused a building model here... or a dumpster model there? I understand they are trying to save money to put out another game cheaper... in what way does that actually hurt u though? If people still think its a good game then more power to em.

[seinfan]

@kurylo
It hurts all gamers. Why? Because when other gaming companies see this formula of success that Activision has adopted, they too are likely to start half-assing their most successful franchises in order to maximize profit. Face it, this is a business, and companies think with their wallet in mind first and foremost.
Here are some examples:
Nintendo plays to the casual crowd with their motion controls and dominate in sales. MS and SONY follow suit.
DLC has exploded in recent years. We're now buying incomplete games at launch and have to pay for the extra content that should have been on the disc in the first place (heck, some of the content is already on the disc, but it's LOCKED and you have to PAY TO UNLOCK IT).
The gaming industry is headed to the shitter.

[snipes101]

Wow people are just looking for things to hate. This is just...pathetic.

Not for or against the game but wow people you all act like a bunch of children. It's. One. Building.

Buy y'know what, if you want to be a total idiot and go out, buy this game that you hate, and look for more buildings that match up go for it!

And to people that think that everyone is going to start being lazy because of the way Activision has handled COD; GET REAL. Like any level headed developer would want to be as hated as Activision and it's studios are right now.

[Fel08]

@Kurylo3d

No, it's called being greedy and ripping off their costumes. Why charge 60 dollars for a recycled game, with a couple of new extra features?

[nanometric]

@Seifan
Coudn't agree more, bubs.

[Tanir]

and people will still buy this 60$ overhyped dlc

[qwertyz]

Activision is the epitome of greed...with all the money they made from black ops they couldn't even use a tiny fraction to create new in game assets ?REALLY...PHUCK EM

[chazjamie]

so 8 million people are going to buy a map pack for about $45. sweet, so much fun.

[claterz]

What the HELL have they been doing for the past 2 years?!?!

It amazes me seeing what a studio like ND can do in 2 years, and yet IW, who probably have a ridiculous amount of money to spend on development can only do this in the same amount of time.

To be honest I don't even care if MW3 sells 20million+ but I just hate it that there are so many great games that don't get anywhere near the amount of sales that they deserve.It just doesn't seem fair to those developers that actually put some effort into their work :(

[ASTAROTH]

They dont get the sales and they dont get the RESPECT from the media. Read the MW3 reviews, "same old game but its for the fans" and they rate it 10/10. Meanwhile other games that are different and improve upon the FPS formula are treated disrespectfully by the media just saying: " they try to copy COD but in the ends it fells short" . . . Jesus gaming is really in a bad place thanks to the gaming media.

[xX-StolenSoul-Xx]

I know how you feel. But really the way i see Cod players. A lot of them are people who only play Cod and no other game and really just play it to be part of the crowd with their friends since it's whats "IN" nowadays.

[NiKK_419]

I'll just leave this here

[Machioto]

That's pretty dope!

[-Alpha]

I remember that back from my childhood lol

[HINDERIZATION]

+BUB 8D

[mike_d_]

Nothing in CoD is made from scratch anymore(or was at all).Same reload animations,same death animations,same buildings same everything.

[AyeGee]

Good thing i bought it for $37 bucks.. it's not worth the $60!

[killcycle]

not even worth $37

[da_2pacalypse]

you sold your soul for a 23 dollar saving.

[AyeGee]

Oh please, i bought BF3 too, if that makes you feel any better.

[WittyAdrian]

So? Soul selling is soul selling dude, whether you do something good or not.

[thesummerofgeorge]

One time, I sold my soul for a donut. Not worth it.

[Keyop]

Next thing you'll be telling me is that they re-used the engine code too....

[bviperz]

LOL!

Clever girl!

[showtimefolks]

It's amazing people have issues with this yet millions of them have been buying a tweaked version of COD 4 and MW1 every year. Activision is the king of recycled material in their games. You want them to change stop buy COD and now some will reply to say I am hating on cod. You watch or read all the reviews even though the game has been getting 9s, each and every one has complained about MW3 in some aspects

Time for a new engine
Time to evolve gameplay wise
And now single player with action pack moments isn't good enough

activation can do so much more with COD but why should they when they can sell millions of copies of the same game, than on top of that charge extreme prices for their map packs

[milohighclub]

Lol wouldn't be surprised if people got home after buying mw3 to find the mw2 disk in their case...

[cyguration]

That comment deserves bubbles. So, bubs to you, dude.

[damnyouretall]

next cod game i buy will have to be next gen. that will have me interested again, maybe. you know what the biggest joke is in the history of gaming? the sequel to black ops next year. i mean come the fuck on man seriously. everyone knows its commin, and its a joke

[stu888]

in fairness, Dice has that same bridge in most maps set in a built up area. The one where you go up there with the LMG on the second level of the campaign.

[stu888]

but if all overpasses/bridges look like that in iran/iraq fair enough.

[Pl4sm4]

bf3 is 10% recycled ... mw3 , 96.9% recycled ... there is a difference bro

[iNcRiMiNaTi]

Yeah but it's reused content from the same game. Not content from 3-4 games ago

[Tuxedo_Mask]

Come on man, that critique is A Bridge Too Far.

[Spitfire_Riggz]

It seems the Modern Warfare Defense team is nowhere to be seen..

*tumbleweed rolls*

[GarandShooter]

No they're not, there probably online playing instead of complaining here, completely unaware, just having fun, those dumb...mother...fudgers...

Oh, wait...

[Spitfire_Riggz]

@garand

Really? I was just arguing with some cod kids on another article.. weird that they arent on this one..

[tawak]

he found it, in just day 1...
"call of duty 4 modern warfare version 1.75 - the expansion pack MW3"
(requires COD4 main game to play)

[Drabent]

Imao!

[Kaneda]

hahaha.. the real shame is the old building is actually looking better then the new one.. :)

[Taker_129]

I thought i was the only one who noticed, lol.

[HINDERIZATION]

MW3 feels a LOT like MW1...

[gamingdroid]

I think next generation we are going to have $80 games, as consumers are demanding more and more. New engine with every game, new assets for everything, better graphics....

Personally, I see no problem with re-using assets. People do it all the time.

@Spitfire_Riggz below:

Who cares if it is "breaking records"? It's a matter of that gamers are increasingly being demanding, which is good and bad.

Good, we *might* get better games.

Bad: The cost of developing these games are very costly and one of the reasons why we get fewer "risky" and "different" games. Another factor is, resources are taken away to create new assets that arguably has somewhat small experience impact compared to bug fixes, production value and so on especially if it is barely noticeable.

[Spitfire_Riggz]

Well maybe if it was from the last game but from COD 4???

Also why should they demand more for their games when they are breaking records for how much money they are making. I see a problem when you are making an incredible amount of money and still using old crap.

[Hicken]

Dude, seriously?

We aren't "demanding" more and more. Improvements are to be expected. Can you name the last series where five games over five years were so similar it was painful?

What comes to my mind: Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero. Both Activision titles. And what happened to them? People got tired of the same things in every game and both series fell off. Why should CoD be different?

I should also mention this has only happened this generation. Prior to this, only sports games were yearly, and since there was no way to upgrade, it was a little more acceptable.

As for your argument about "resources are taken away," that's a given. My question to YOU is: how could you even tell? So many of us are looking at this game and seeing the last few games so easily. Where do YOU see that this game would have suffered to do something new?

Don't talk about cost. Not with Activision. NEVER bring up the cost of development when they're involved. They spend more on marketing than they do developing these games, and with all they money they make off their 20+ million copies AND overpriced DLC, they have more than enough money to not worry about cost. You even bringing that up in reference to a product by Activision is silly.

[gamingdroid]

***We aren't "demanding" more and more. Improvements are to be expected. Can you name the last series where five games over five years were so similar it was painful?***

That is just what the haters blabbering, but obviously gamers aren't sick of it as they are buying it in droves to the point where they are lining up outside stores to get their hands on it asap!

***As for your argument about "resources are taken away," that's a given. My question to YOU is: how could you even tell? So many of us are looking at this game and seeing the last few games so easily. Where do YOU see that this game would have suffered to do something new? ***

If it is the same darn thing, why is it that nobody has been able to top it? Make something better? ... and no, I don't consider your personal opinion of something better?

I'm talking about something measurable, and that my friend is sales. The people in general vouch CoD as it is (recycled, repeated or whatever), is more worthy of spending money on than anything else out there.

There is nothing wrong with re-use of assets as everybody does it. Question is, does it fit in? Would you notice it if nobody pointed it out to you? The vast majority most likely doesn't even care... because what they care about it how good the game is overall, NOT how it looks.

... but hey, feel free to complain about that recycled building while the rest of us goes on to enjoy a game without an online pass.

***Don't talk about cost. Not with Activision. NEVER bring up the cost of development when they're involved. They spend more on marketing than they do developing these games, and with all they money they make off their 20+ million copies AND overpriced DLC, they have more than enough money to not worry about cost. You even bringing that up in reference to a product by Activision is silly.***

It was a general comment that game prices are going to rise as a result of gamers complaining about something as insignificant as a recycled building.

Maybe a little reading comprehension would help?

[Hicken]

And everybody in Germany was lining up to be part of Hitler's dream, even those who knew it was wrong. Following the crowd, protecting your own ass; these things exist, and in a multiplayer-heavy, social area like gaming has become, getting a game "because my friends have/are getting it" is a common excuse.

Nobody's been able to top it? I assume you mean sales. In that case, see above. If you mean in any other capacity, there are any number of games that have surpassed it in various ways. From superior storylines to better gameplay to top-notch graphics, MANY games have CoD beat in these respects.

Yes, of course you would reference sales, because you can't measure quality, right? And the fact that millions don't actually care about the quality so long as they can play with their friends doesn't change the fact that they still bought the game. How convenient for you that sales are the only thing you care about.

Uncharted (take your pick) is superior to Call of Duty (take your pick), and yet it will never reach the same sales. Gears of War is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Killzone, a direct competitor, is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Even Halo will never reach the same sales. Are you saying that Call of Duty is better than all of these franchises?

Re-using assets is not a problem to me, and I didn't even bring that up in my response to you, so I'll be ignoring that point entirely.

Your last paragraph, focusing on the "Bad" of gamers being demanding, does not apply to Activision BECAUSE of how much they make. A smaller developer with less resources could get a pass for this, but there is simply no excuse for Activision doing this, because they are not at a loss for money.

Gamers don't complain about EVERY game that does such things. A new kid on the block who has to recycle some things for a sequel when the original only sold 800,000 copies doesn't catch flak. A long-established publisher with long-established developers SHOULD and DOES catch flak when their last ten titles have sold AT LEAST 10 million, and the last two have sold more than 20 million apiece. When you've got the money to spend on Eminem and Kobe Bryant, you've got the money to spend on new assets.

As it stands, game prices will not rise because of this, nor should they... on second thought, they already have, with the introduction of DLC in this generation, which introduces more content (required to have a "complete" game) at a price.

That aside, gamers have every right to complain about unnecessary shortcuts being taken when they're spending money on these games. It's only a shame that more people are willing to roll over and accept these practices from the largest of developers when, of all things, they should never have to do so.

[gamingdroid]

***Yes, of course you would reference sales, because you can't measure quality, right? And the fact that millions don't actually care about the quality so long as they can play with their friends doesn't change the fact that they still bought the game. How convenient for you that sales are the only thing you care about.***

That's the thing, to many playing with their friends and being able to do that is part of the experience. It is quality!

from the dictionary:

quality: an inherent feature

http://www.merriam-webster....

***Uncharted (take your pick) is superior to Call of Duty (take your pick), and yet it will never reach the same sales. Gears of War is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Killzone, a direct competitor, is superior, but will never reach the same sales. Even Halo will never reach the same sales. Are you saying that Call of Duty is better than all of these franchises?***

That is your opinion of what is better, but the general consensus is that it is "better" in where it matters to the consumer. If that happens to be where their friends is playing and that is an important factor, then that is a valid reason.

I can think of plenty of reason why MW3 is in many ways better than other games including some of those you listed. After years of the "CoD stagnation", many games still don't do things as good as CoD.

***Your last paragraph, focusing on the "Bad" of gamers being demanding, does not apply to Activision BECAUSE of how much they make.***

So you are holding Activision to a higher standard simply because they are bigger and make more profits. I tend more to lean towards what I get, not necessary who makes them.

If it is a good product and I like it, I buy it. If it is something I don't like, I don't buy it!

Has little to do with how much money they make. Their success isn't a reason for discrimination, something our society do all the time, "All the rich people get richer"... bla bla bla. Back on topic...

***Re-using assets is not a problem to me, and I didn't even bring that up in my response to you, so I'll be ignoring that point entirely.***

Well then, that is what I was referring to in this article that we b!tch about insignificant things, yet more important things like Online Passes need far more scrutiny. The assets here is barely re-used, and the package MW3 deliver is more than satisfying to me.

***As it stands, game prices will not rise because of this, nor should they... on second thought, they already have, with the introduction of DLC in this generation, which introduces more content (required to have a "complete" game) at a price.***

Technically speaking, the DLC consistently has never been of importance. Most of them smell like afterthough extras that is to please the fans. I don't mind paying for DLC, since it is optional and everything. I never once felt the DLC was something that SHOULD have been part of the package unlike Online Passes.

That said, yes, it does increase cost for competitive reasons. The cost of developing video games has gone up exponentially. Recouping the investment takes time and creating a new engine every single time and spending 3-5 years developing a game isn't really financially viable. There is a reason why we get lots of sequels and re-use of engines as shown early in this generation when publishers/developers were having quarters upon quarters of major losses.

Anyhow... I'm gonna go and enjoy some MW3!!! :D

[wolokowoh]

No offense but at most we are going to have $70 and that's just because they can. Game development will not increase in cost by all that much. Compare the PS3 to the PS2 or the 360 to the original Xbox. The PS3 is over 100 times more powerful than the PS2. The 360 is over 70 times more powerful than the original Xbox. Even the fastest most expensive computers you can make right now do not provide nearly that large of a gap. Even if Sony made another $600 console that they lost $200 a console sold on right now, the most power they'd get out of it is a roughly 4 times and that's assuming they make it right and get some good deals on the parts. This next generation may very well be the smallest gap proportionally since the NES and the SNES. I don't expect prices to go up that much because there would need to be a new storage format, digital versions are slowly implemented, and let's not forget I can still buy PC such as Battlefield 3 for $50/$60 for the bluray new on release day. The PC version Battlefield 3 is truly a game stuck directly between this generation of consoles and the next. The Wii U may be able to handle it depending on the final hardware and if DICE takes the time to optimize it. I know. I just mentioned Battlefield 3 on a COD article, but it's just the most recent example. I could have said The Witcher 2 or Crysis 2 but those came out at the beginning of the year and the Witcher 2 would come out on 360 until next year so a comparison can't be drawn.

[bozebo]

Well, CoD4 is a good game for them to copy from tbh :P

BF3 copied some buildings from BC2 but I'm fine with it.

[El_Colombiano]

No. It didn't.

[WitWolfy]

I havent seen one building that has been copied and paste directly from BC2 to BF3.

But thats just me

[Mr_cheese]

This is seriously bad, I know they do things like this but when i'm paying £42 for a game along with millions of others, i'm expecting a completely new game. Not reusing old models etc, I feel really cheated and to make things worse its noticeable in game.

[aPerson]

...then why did you buy it in the first place?

Seriously, I have no sympathy for people that buy CoD games year after year only to *gasp* feel ripped off.

CoD games have been declining in quality for a few years now. What were you expecting???

[ambientFLIER]

You're an idiot. Most sequels out there reuse old assets in one way or another. If you feel cheated because one building is the same, then you're the biggest crybaby in the world.

[Mr_cheese]

firstly @aPerson, I brought the game expecting a difference only to find out there isn't much of one, campaign wise.

@ambientFLIER, Can I not have an opinion instead of you insulting me because i've said something negative about your precious game? Behave yourself lad. Sequels may reuse etc, but not that blatantly and they really shouldn't either. For the money we are putting into the game industry bar the engine the games should be build from the ground up each time so you get your value and a truly worked on experience. So you can sit back and enjoy your rehashes year after year and never speak up about them, thats your gaming experience ruined by yourself.

[bennyace]

If it's such a big deal for you then don't buy it. The milions that do won't really care I think! I know I'll get disagrees fot that but, every one here always say it's gameplay over graphics... only when it suits their needs. Didn't GT5 had like 800 of 1000 cars recycled but no one seemed to care. I know it's not the same category of game... But c'mon, for recycled buildings in a war game it's like the end of the world... Really?

[ainsz]

Actuall there were quite a lot of complaints about the recycled cars, I myself thought it was pretty half assed. But, besides that, GT 5 is a quality game which is something that cod lacks.

[bennyace]

I here you... And I agree... 'Cause I sold mine because of that... But "besides" cars what is there in GT5?

[White-Sharingan]

Silly activision

[LackTrue4K]

jajaj....when he started to look up, i found out fast thats was the online map from MW...to me thats the best one out the all there games.....

[farhad2k8]

Love the hate this game is receiving. When you've got haters, you know you're doing something right.

Like Kanye said, 'If they hate, then let em' hate, and watch the money pile up'.
Which is exactly what Robert Bowling & Co. are doing.

Well done to IW for releasing the most successful game ever.. AGAIN. :D

If BF3 is so good, why is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME I come on N4G, I just see BF3 fanboys everywhere? Why are you not playing your beloved game? Honestly?

Meh, I could care less, I'm going back to a 6 hour sesh' of MW3. Hi hater, Bye hater.

[50Terabytespersec]

this is getting ridiculous !!! Get a life you morons!!
What do expect from a multi-platform game?? huh ?? What???
No one said the engine was revamped no one!!!
THis is a game for loser to get off on cause they have no life. Especially multiplayer..
get a multi-player session with real women instead of guys and a controller losers!!!!
Give me a good story mode and some Hollywood explosions...Then give me my girlfriend .. thats how games are played LOSERS!!!
now get out and ride a bike... and stop technology from taking your jobs by getting of the techdik / crckpipe..

[poopface1]

ahhaha WHERE IS THE COMPLAINING ARTICLE ABOUT NAUGHTY DOG RECYCLING ENTIRE MAPS FOR UNCHARTED 3.

oR HOW ABOUT BUNGIE, GURILLA, AND EPIC SELLING OLD MAPS FROM PREVIOUS GAMES AS DLC. thats fine, but god forbid we see a BUILDING AGAIN.

that is funny that a re-used building made these fanboy whine and circle jerk each other, while they eat up recycled ENTIRE maps in their favorite games.

[TyrannoTaurus]

It was ONE building. Maybe it was there as an homage to COD4... or, even more likely, it was in the game because it was already on the disk to be used for a remake of the COD4 multiplayer map from which it came. Either way, it's not that big of a deal. The game is extremely fun for a lot of people and it will be extremely successful. Make peace with that people. It's a fact.

[DonaldBeck]

shakes head

makes this face
<-----

[Gazondaily]

Well spotted. That does take the mick a bit. There are a lot of accusations of this being recycled on the same engine, but if you're going as far as recycling the same assets for maps, then I do think that's taking the p*ss, especially for a Blockbuster title that has supposedly had millions invested in it.

[MasterCornholio]

Minimize developments costs maximize profits. That's how business is done with COD.

XperiaRay

[Tachyon_Nova]

Surely hats how business is done full stop? I get your point though.

[boommuffin]

i hope activision isnt going to have to big of a say on Bungies new IP, its wierd though cuz Bungies known for inovation & Acti is known for reusing old shit but now they have a buisness relationship

[poopface1]

"but if you're going as far as recycling the same assets for maps, then I do think that's taking the p*ss, especially for a Blockbuster title that has supposedly had millions invested in it. "

AHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHA HHAHAHAHA Im sure that how you really feel.

Tell me. What do you think of uncharted 3?? That game re-used a hell of alot more than a building. It reused entire maps. Halo, Killzone, and Gears of war have even released maps from previous games as DLC.

I guess its ok when other games re-use and even charge you for ENTIRE OLD MAPS. But god forbid a game you dont like reuses a single building in the NEW maps that come with the game. Then we are going to hear about what a travesty it is.

[news4geeks]

good on them, I use similar techniques in my uni work.

[CynicalVision]

Laziness is not a technique.

[MajorJackHoff]

It's more of a lifestyle.

[Coffin87]

Oh come on, I don't really see the problem here.
Vice City, San Andreas & Bully had the same (100%, model & texture) snack & drink machines, you know where you could spend 1$ and get some health replenished (in SA). I noticed that at some point. Nobody made a video about that, I sure as hell didn't either.

I mean really, come on guys. I 'dislike' what has become of the gaming industry probably as much as anyone else here, but this is THEIR work.
It is THEIR work of art, theyy created it, they own it. I don't exactly know how it's called in english. They have the copyright for it, they probably spent a few hours designing that building and the textures. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't use it again.

The trend of bashing CoD has become way too hipster.

[LolololRumz]

@Coffin87

Problem with that is they're aren't THAT many different styles of drinks machines they pretty much come in one format. With buildings though the possibilities are endless.

Recycling a drinks machine is minor as it's a minor asset, a usable building from 2007 isn't acceptable.

[Coffin87]

Aha.

[BlmThug]

Milk, Milk and more Milk

[dooge]

Milk milk noob grenade around the corner COD is made.

[Pl4sm4]

love milk with chocolate syrup ..... yumi :D ... but this game makes a weird stench in my mouth

[AntiTroll]

STOP BUYING CALL OF DUTY.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

My response to your request... no, I happen to enjoy the COD games for what they are, not saying game of the year but certainly a fun ride...so no, I will keep buying as long as they entertain me.

[ShabbaRanks]

It’s a shame because I like the MP of cod I won’t lie, but I have too many games to play and in the end cod is always the same… There so scared of making too big of a change that they just recycle the same thing every year. That’s why I’m not buying any cod game anymore.

Activision is the Illuminati of gaming, slowly there killing the gaming industry by making these overpriced DLC's. With 15$ map packs and 50$ for a system just to compare you’re stats with ur friends. The reason why it’s killing the industry is because some game companies see the profit their making and they want to do the same. So now too many FPS's are like cod and I’m sick and tired of it.

Anyways if they keep doing the same thing like this it’s gonna fall for sure. One day the average gamer is going to realise this and stop buying cod for good…

**MP shouldn’t be based on "Perks" but "Skill" and that’s one thing COD really managed too fuck up in gaming.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I do get where you are coming from, and I wont argue that I think they are due to make some major changes as in new engine. We definitely can agree that it is something we both would like to see. However I do still enjoy the product they put forward.

Also, not sure if you are aware but the $50 Elite subscription gets you all the DLC maps included, and you get early access to them. Its basically the season pass concept we are starting to see others use.

[Parapraxis]

"Activision is the Illuminati of gaming"
Activision exists though, the "Illuminati" is just some BS that exists only in the mind of conspiracy theory nuts.

Maybe come up with a better analogy. Like Activision is the NCAA of the gaming industry.

[Parapraxis]

3 people are wearing tinfoil hats..

[princejb134]

its just a building guys stop over reacting, were not playing to stare at the buildings is to have fun

[pr0digyZA]

It's not the building that's the problem, it's the theory behind it thats the issue.

[TLG1991]

OKAY GUYS we dont need building because we dont stare at them so just remove them all together and have a massive open area. in fact that would be the best thing COD would do to stop the retard campers. on another thought keep them we dont want the children infesting our BF3, UC3, R3, CSS, games

[Tachyon_Nova]

Yeah because there are no campers in BF3 who just sit back with a sniper rifle or a mortar are there? Or in Resistance 3 who get a cloak and then wait for someone to come along...

[superrey19]

@tachyon_nova

But in BF3 if u get killed by a camper or sniper the maps are so big that u can easily flank them or blow the building they're hiding in.

[StayStatic]

@tachyon_nova

SUPRESSSSIIVEEEEEE FIRREEEE

Yes thats how engineers role , see a bunch of wookies and watch them crumble under the wrath of an RPG.

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

Sneeky swines!

[TLG1991]

this is a disgrace like it wasn't bad enought that the lazy bastards use te same engine and modes and storyline and maps (rearanged) they actually take building from a game that is from the start of this gen.

i know this game will sell many more than any other game, but i hope the sales do fall short of previous CODS and we start to see the fall of the COD era and developers can get back to making real games knowing they can get more of a profit for putting in the immense effort they do in comparison to this EXCUSE for a form of entertainment!

[KonGreat]

Well thank god there are other games out there! But I do think that it's rediculous they use the same buildings. Although they are in the power to do so!

[TLG1991]

I'm in the power to go steal sombody popular video and put it on my own channel as something new. it doesn't make it right or acceptable

[CoD511]

One of the reasons I don't wish to buy it. There's a huge amount of recycled assets and honestly, the new assets they added are of a way lower quality than previous games.

[AyeGee]

Recycling is good for the planet, though!

/s

[Getowned]

Then I hope you didnt buy BC2 or BF3 because they did the same thing.

[ambientFLIER]

"the new assets they added are of a way lower quality than previous games."

HUGE eyeroll. Proof, please...

[CoD511]

There's not much proof one can give, unless you really want to pick how efficiently the triangles are used on models.

But as an animator myself, IW's (MW2 and earlier) animations are some of the best I've seen, the replacements not holding a candle to their work. Likely due to many animators having resigned with the 2/3 of IW that left... Subjective of course, but I'm sure you'll find many agree.

While the new weapon sounds are fine, they're not hugely distinctive either, with several weapons sounding essentially the same...

[tigertron]

That was a good building though, I always used to run up there in pipeline and pick off targets.

Still, I'm not surprised...this is Activision after all.

[xX-Jak-Xx]

even the Red Dot sight is a copy

[Fishy Fingers]

Yeah and he's STILL using his hands to hold the guns. Lazy devs are lazy.

[MariaHelFutura]

Wow. You are starting to sound like a 12 year old fanboy. Never thought I'd see that......

K, bye.

[whitesoxfalife1976]

nice one fishy lol

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@Fishy Fingers... I have heard rumors they also used the same boots for the feet.

[ambientFLIER]

Yeah, and there's a G36C as well, and it looks the same as it did in MW2, even though it's like not supposed to and junk. GRAB THE PITCHFORKS !!!

[InTheLab]

I love the "Activision MADE IW recycle" line. Good one. I'm sure EA made Bioware recycle areas in DA2.

Stop giving IW a pass. You've been playing the same game since 2007 and it's not Activision's fault.

[jizzyjones]

£45 is alot for COD 4 DLC, no thanks.

[MiloGarret]

I wish it was COD4 DLC. I'd HAPPILY pay full price for that. Unfortunately it's a new, different game.

[Kingdom Come]

Is it just me, or does the building actually look better in Call of Duty 4 Modern Warare than it does in Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3? How is this atrocious recycled ugly mess of a game receiving such high praise...

The bad thing is, I had initially hoped that publications wouldn't be so blind in creating their reviews and give the game the score it rightfully deserves (around the 6.5-7.5 Mark) and that Infinity Ward might realise that they have milked the engine as far as it will go unrecognised and might actually pull their finger out, however, with IGN and such scoring the game 9/10, they will continue to do so as they realise they're getting away with it...

Whilst developers such as Epic and Naughty Dog take the time and effort to craft a more beautiful engine and give gamers tons of new gameplay mechanics and such, COD gets away with downgrading graphically as to allow more stupidly outrageous Michael Bay moments and a new Multiplayer mode and they sell tens of millions of copies to the herds of sheep following the crowd, why are people so blind to the fact they are purchasing the same game year after year?

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

Well said bro!!!!! My thoughts exactly!!!!

[DigitalRaptor]

Well said buddy. if only everyone could see this...

It irritates me that such as poor game is getting those reviews and will sell HUGE numbers. It's more surprising that such a significant multi-billion dollar IP has been handled so poorly yet people still buy it. There has never been more of a worthy time for this franchise needing to burn and burn hard.

[chazjamie]

"How is this atrocious recycled ugly mess of a game receiving such high praise... "

Every reviewer should include that line in their review of mw3

[ndl1531]

man exactly my thoughts . this garbage is getting a free pass as always for being "more of the same " and any other game would get butchered for being "too similar " and now you have THIS ? rehashed reused buildings ? so it is basically cod4? WTF is wrong with gamers nowadays ? do they see what i see? are they f*cking blind? man its just baffling to me and watch the end of the week sales will be over 10 million . thats what pisses me off the most . a game soo undeserving getting those tipe of sales .

[whitesoxfalife1976]

cuz its a mainstream game thas why

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@Kingdom Come... my only counter question to you is, have you played MW3? I personally haven't yet so I can't say it is or isnt deserving of the scores...but it seems to me given the overwhelming positive scores that this game just may be worthy of the high scores.

And mainstream doesn't just give COD games a pass... COD:WaW I think sits around an 83 on metacritic which is pretty low in the ranks of COD games.

Anyway back on point... If you have played MW3 and legitimately feel its a 6 - 7 score then so be it. But if you are just saying 6-7 because you don't like the fact that Activision pushes this franchise out annually then I think you are being a bit bias and then its a case of pot calling the kettle black.

[Kingdom Come]

I think a better question to ask would be, "Do you need to have played Modern Warfare 3 to know what it's like?". With most sequels featuring advancements to multiplayer there is a certain degree of freshness and slight unfamiliarity, however, continuously Call of Duty feels like the same game. And having spoken to a friend of mine of who has got MW3, he has claimed it is exactly that yet again... I doubt I'll get another Call of Duty game until Infinity Ward learn how to create a true videogame sequel...

[_Aarix_]

Gears of war 3 deserves atleast a 9.3 (I think a 9.8) But MW3 deserves lower than black ops which got a 7.5,

[_Aarix_]

AND IGN GAVE THEM BOTH A DAMN 9.

[Yodagamer]

lol ign O.o

[idiealot]

FIND MORE!!

[Fishy Fingers]

LOL the amatur dramatics is strong in this thread.

Still, pretty lazy, wager that 99.9% of people wouldn't care let alone, notice though. Probably the case in many sequels.

[venom06]

Activision are once bendin people over the table and giving them the business... and once again, braindead people are $60 to take it... HA! wonder how much more on this game is recycled????

[WitWolfy]

This seriously sounding TOO familiar... Like Guitar Hero familiar...

[MiyagiSPG]

I'm not defending them by saying a lot of developers do this but... this is still lazy nonetheless, especially for a game which pretty much sells 20 million+ so i would expect this for a game selling a couple of hundred thousand, but this?
Dam!

[Droid Control]

I have no problem with it. What is wrong with reusing the odd building?

Its not like they were replicating the same streets or levels or anything.

[xX TriiCKy Xx]

But that particular building played a big part in the map on CoD 4. If its the same in MW3, meaning everyone goes in there, then its almost like they replicated the level.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

he saw that building in Single Player...I didn't hear him say anything about it being in multiplayer where that building appeared in CoD4.

[saladthieves]

He actually spotted this building halfway through the single player campaign. The problem is not the building, it's the fact that they went ahead and decided to reuse the building, thinking that people would not notice this...THAT'S the problem.

[ambientFLIER]

Yeah, it was a total conspiracy theory. They thought we would all be too blind to notice, but a visionary like EGIDEM was able to break through the cloak of shame and spot the building. Well done! Egg on their face!

[Colonel_Dante]

Bobby Kotick deserves a refund!!

I mean, He paid three devs to do their job and make MW3 and they still recycled stuff lol

[csreynolds]

Had to laugh at this...

[Jdoki]

Big deal

[Bolts]

They should rename it Call of Dragon Age 2.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

did they think people wouldn't notice?

I mean I was very familiar with that building in COD4 and i'm sure I would have spotted it in game.

[MasterD919]

You couldnt tell from the same parked cars that have been in MW1 & MW2?

Of course they recycle buildings.

[joshpoppedyou]

theres a difference between a car and a pretty recognisable building, i was never giving hate though, i just found it pretty humorous that they thought they could get away with it

[MasterD919]

The average player would never notice. Articles like these will tell thousands of players about it and months later, it still won't stop them from playing. The majority just flat out don't care. It's just funny that with all that money and all these years passed they can't even invest in some new building designs.

[Nunchez]

Activision how low can you go? I can't believe people buy this seriously that's just sad and funny at the same time.

[wenaldy]

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice.....???

[TheEatingVodka]

shame on both of us

[BattleTorn]

the entire industry has been fooled, at least three times.

[SP3333D-O]

Wow. At least Back to Karkland has been revamped for a new engine.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So was it ok for DICE to give us new maps in BFBC2 that were merely a "lighting change"?

[Pandamobile]

BC2's maps were free.

[Ser]

Guess what, they didn't cost anything, though! That's the beauty of it. :)

Why complain about something that was free?

[Hufandpuf]

And looks totally different from the original maps. The layout and concept are the same though.

[capcock]

LMFAO, so cheap.

[ExCest]

If i can recall...
In the multiplayer trailer world premiere for MW3 when they showed us teh specialist packages, I noticed something (my brother did)

There was a car that blew up but not just any car. A truck. But not just any truck this truck http://www.youtube.com/watc... (at 1:19)

Yes. Its the same truck from MW2.

(I'm not triyin to come off as a fanboy here.)
But for two years (i think. maybe much less because of the IW vs Activision thing) of development, couldn't they use different trucks? (and that building lol)

o well. i might. MIGHT. get this game. It reminds me of MW2 (it was fun, i have to admit) and if they can balance out the jerks in the community, then i'll definitely consider buying this game. But for now, I have no friends that have/getting MW3 because we all lost faith and moved to the Battlefield series. I still have hope for this series but I also hope this is the last.

[ndl1531]

i can sit here and spew my venom all day long about this modern rehash garbage but in the end all the blind sheep will just follow along and buy this crap anyways . how sad that you all make activision billions and they reward you with rehashed reused graphics .

[Clarence]

The only thing that has changed about this game is a few extra perks. Activison makes a ton of money off this recycled game. Why would they spend money building the game from scratch.

[gamingisnotacrime]

who gives a sht
people who play the game do it for the fast paced fun with friends gameplay

building are a non factor

[Alpha_Gamer]

A 5 hour or less campaign and they couldn`t even be bothered to make new buildings. I`m so surprised, /s.

My buddy just invited me over to "check out" MW3 today, as if it`s some new and enthralling experience. There is no escaping it, if you`re not part of the heard, all you can do is sigh.

[thespaz]

Lemme get this straight. Some people swear that CoD4 was the best in the series and when they try to bring some of it back, they get made fun of for it?

Come on you guys.

Does it change anything about the game?

They brought back the G36C too, are you going to complain about that too?

EDIT: I used to love that building! It's actually kinda cool that they changed the look of it and brought it back (it's better than just bringing the entire maps back like they did in MW2). I look at this as a good thing. I think it's a tiny shout out to the fans of CoD4. It brings back memories. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

Is it due to them being lazy or just putting in a subtle tribute to those who played CoD4? It's not like buildings are hard to design so I think it's just a tribute to CoD4.

[ExCest]

It could be or not

If u listen to the dude, they're in like Africa or sumtin (or I'm deaf). Not even close to Russia.

And yeah, I love that building as well
And no, I'm not gonna hate the G3G6

[ExCest]

I need to correct myself.
I'm pretty sure it's not in Africa lol

and I guess it is pretty nice that they have this building

it's even in COD 1 apparently so I guess it really was for nostalgia reasons. Props to IW i guess (read ToonarmY's post below for the piccy)

[mrmancs]

lmao , so glad i *black opt out* buying dis pile of shite , ill stick with the awesome battlefield that only real gamers can play not camping, quick scoping kids cant get there head round. no wonder activision got there work force resigning and being sacked.

[artdafoo]

Didn't they also use the same rooftop skyscraper with that red crane from MW2 ? I could have sworn I saw it in that first trailer they put out for MW2.5 . Lol, COD games are now made in a LEGO BLOCK fashion. Which in itself is not a bad thing, just stop saying they're completely brand new games every year and put them out as the expansion packs they are and sell them for $20 not $60

[UnagiMaster]

Did anybody really expect anything more? Not surprised.

[thatgameshow]

You're all aware this is common place in games right? If they've already got a building fit for purpose, then why not slap a new skin on it and use it again? Hell, BF3 even uses the same buildings in different maps, and still contains assets from Bad Company and Bad Company 2. When you're populating a map/level, it makes perfect sense to recycle assets because it saves time, and time is something that they're short of on a year to year release schedule

[crowsticky1234]

I'm surprised how they don't use the money for R+D from the amount of money they got from Black Ops.

[marichuu]

I already expected this as soon as I saw the first trailer with ingame footage. However I feel better spending £20 once a year compared to £10 for the map packs. I've never and I will never buy a CoD map pack. I tend to stop playing the game completely as soon as the first map pack gets released. Saint's Row: The Third and Skyrim are just around the corner, so this CoD won't even last as long as the earlier ones did. If that ain't enough, I still have BF3 that I plan on spending way more time on.

[Aloren]

Wow, recycling assets in a video game, we've never seen that before...It's not like some Tracks in Forza or Cars in GT are from the previous games... or is it ?

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

What do you think there are more of these days? Sheep who enjoy COD, or sheep who hate on COD?

I'm guessing the latter.

[Ser]

So, you can't dislike CoD and NOT be a sheep at the same time? I've disliked CoD since MW2, but that doesn't matter.

So what if a lot of people don't like CoD? Could it be that a lot of gamers are just tired of seeing the same old thing with a different wrapper each year? No, of course not, they're just all mindless sheep that are following the trend to hate on things that are popular. That's gotta be it! /s

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

I guess we'll find out when the sales are announced. You can tell me your till your blue in the face that people are tired of the same game, once one of the newer COD games under sells the previous. So far that hasn't happened.

[asmith2306]

Who cares, sure BF3 has recycled buildings from BC2. Big whoop. Gives em more time to do other stuff instead of modelling new buildings!

[anony-mouse]

I don't think that's the case. Of course, I don't KNOW whether or not it's true, BUT we are talking about a brand new engine in BF3. Even if it's Frostbite *2*, the changes are drastic. Even if they used the same structure, they'd have to re-model in a MUCH more drastic way than slapping on a new coat of paint. Can anyone who has worked in game engines reply? I'd be curious to know how much recycling would be possible between FB1 and 2

[thatgameshow]

I'm not entirely sure how the destruction works in FB, but logic dictates the mesh would be split in to defined pieces, so once it takes the damage it'd come apart (as the damage isn't dynamic, because there are only set "breakable" parts of the meshes).

Assuming that's the case, and the difference is just the level of "destruction", they could use the same base geometry, before it's had any pointers as to how it should deform (either in a separate mesh or in some sort of script, possibly even within the destruction animation), then improve it for the newest version of the engine.

That's all hypothetical though, I could be completely wrong. I've only ever used Unreal at a student level.

[asmith2306]

Yes and the file formats would be the same across the board for their models to import them into the new engine.

[marichuu]

By the way, which of those videoes is from MW3?

[anony-mouse]

I bought and played MW1 and 2, and enjoyed them briefly and got bored very quickly. Having said that though, this issue is a very, VERY minor offense. They're using old assets that were good and activating them in a new environment. If this building were being used in MP again I think I would be more offended, but in SP it's all about darting ahead and pushing forward. You're going to spend no more than 30 seconds in this building (TOPS) and then you're never going to come back to it. So... even I (a major BF3 fan) give IW a pass on this one.

[Vladplaya]

Who gives a shit? Does it effect your gameplay? No? That's what I thought. It would be pretty dumb to not use some of the resources that you have made in the past and just discard them.

[MoreRPG]

that's laziness at its best

[shammgod]

the entire game is the same as COD4

[Zephol]

this is a shit!!!

[grahf]

Lazy??? I think it is more like an Easter Egg! Good job finding it!

[thespaz]

Hmm...

Did everyone forget how they charged us for CoD4 retro maps in MW2?

They obviously did this on purpose. It's a throw-back for the people who loved CoD4 (me included). It looks cooler in MW3 as well.

People need to get off the CoD hate bandwagon because it's getting old (older than IW's CoD engine! ZING!)

I seriously doubt IW were sitting at the office thinking "How can we piss off our fans? Hmm... lets put an old building in there when we could very easily just make a different one"... I think it was more like "Hey, Pipeline was such a fun and memorable map back in the day... lets take something from that and give a little nod to our fans for a little nostalgia"

Obviously they changed it to fit in the new map style. By the way... I have to say... CoD4 looks very plain and gray compared to the new game.

[0neShot]

This is an 'easter egg' find for a dejavu to the first MW. Lots of kids commenting on this forum, not good.

[ybadr]

People who don't like MW3 don't have to play it , no one is forcing you !

Don't like it don't play it . PERIOD !

[wildcat]

This statement is correct. Yet we are having a legitimate debate concerning the value and worth of a certain game. This particular article is one fragment of evidence as would go to prove the game's unworthiness. Such statements as would prove its ultimate worth and contradict this article are readily accepted in this forum. Be free to put forth such evidence, they will not fall on deaf ears.

[xGrunty]

I just want to level with you guys real quick and say that duh this was going to happen. And even though I'm a huge BF fan, BF3 did the same thing with BC2 to BF3. You can make these comparison videos all day with BF and CoD. Just sayin. BF is still > CoD though :P

[ToonarmY]

That building actually dates as far back as call of duty 1 on the PC so they have been re-using it over and over since then

http://i67.photobucket.com/...

[Shackdaddy836]

Ya. I remember that. I think it had wood planks for the top floor though didn't it?

[Chuk5]

Damn Activision, are you to lazy to generate new assets despite the fact that this series is making billions of dollars?

[Arkhamz]

To all you hypocrites.There are certain structures and buildings that were in BF2 which are in BFBC2 AND NOW BF3.

[ToonarmY]

Such as?

I have an image from over 10 years ago that shows them using buildings a decade old

http://i67.photobucket.com/...

[Arkhamz]

Start up BF2, play gulf of oman.there is a flag next to a structure by a swimming pool. That structure has been used in bf3 and bf2 although slight changes have been made.

Also, who cares if they have recycled a Building. I bet other games have but people weren't on a witch hunt with those.

[spektical]

not as bad and obvious as COD.

BF3 has recycled buildings, also in BC2 such as conquest on Arica Harbor (personal favorite). The buildings however have some minor difference, such as a door pointing a different way etc. whereas in COD its the same building, just colored blue.

[GraveLord]

This really makes the game less fun and addicting.
/s

[Resistance]

Well who didn't see this happening???? Its the same damn game engine from CoD2 just tweaked every year so they can milk the franchise.

[banner]

Man this place hates cod! All I know is that I enjoy cod its just plain fun. Some gamers are such a finicky bunch!

And what is it with the " its still the same engine" the game works for millions as it is why bother with a new engine so late in the gen?! Acti doesn't need a new engine just so that they didn't have to choose that same building. It was either a lazy move or it was something that ppl out side of n4g wanted.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Dont all games do this?

[spektical]

dammit.. i gave my COD4 copy away, MW3 is asking me to install COD4 :/... those damn expansion packs!!!!!!

/troll

but seriously, yes buildings are recycled in many games, but COD recycles their buildings throughout every sequence and every title.... add some new detail at least. an extra door? destroyed walls? make the underlying design somewhat different. Otherwise at some point or another, people (those that dont go on gaming sites) will start to notice, and sales will drop considerably.

[devilmaydance]

It doesn't really bother me. I'm one of the few people who plays CoD for the single-player specifically; if they reuse a building, no big deal. Besides, how do you know it's a laziness, and not an homage (for all you guys know, that could be the ONLY building that does that).

No one complained in MW2 when they reused a couple campaign levels from CoD4 for Spec Ops. In fact I thought it was cool.

[blakstarz]

wow....that's really sad. Good catch, but the reality is this game will still trump BF3.

[ThatIrishGamer]

It's clearly meant as an Easter egg.

[iMpuTeD]

lmao theres prob plenty of other games that do this and at least it wasnt in the mp

[Netic]

Well the other games that do this are

A: Bad with poor scores
B: Not developped by 3 developpers
C: made with low budget and poor advertising

[CanadianTurtle]

And to think that they were actually going to make me pay 60 dollars for this

Lol Just kidding. Graphics and stuff like this can't make me not get this game. I'm still very interested in it

[Netic]

LOLLL wow.... kinda blatant recycling

It's a shame for a game that is supposed to be High Standards and so much budget involved...

[J86blum]

I like MW3 its the go to game for me and friends when we just want to team up and have fun, I see alot of people putting in their two cents about this or that game.

They are video games simple as that, they are there for fun, and alot of "gamers" are so jaded by saying this or that looks like trash. Until you have put out a AAA title your opinion is moot'.

Enjoy it for what it is, not for what you WANT or THINK it should be.

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

And the COD hate train continues. We're freaking talking about buildings here. So what? Tell me this...

It's not okay for COD to recycle something that has nothing to do with gameplay, but it's okay for GT5 to recycle 80% of cars from the ps2???

The hypocrisy on this site is ridiculous.

[Bladesfist]

Never played GT5 so no idea what you are talking about and if your telling the truth id say its not ok no.

[ZBlacktt]

They used cars from a past GT game to give player's more choices. They were most all standard cars. But the analogy here is totally not the same. Because GT cannot and would not change the cars. It's true concept is making genuine real deals. They added a few hundred more finer detailed cars to the game in GT5.

But when it comes to buildings and game maps. Those should never be the same. Simply no reason for it what so ever. But to save time, it seems a copy and paste job was done here.

[ZBlacktt]

Is anyone surprised really? I mean come on... This is the same company Activision who's owner says he's out to screw every last one of you for more money. Yet, everyone lines up time and time again for this remake of a game. Just kind of new maps. But same old thing over and over.

[ZeV]

It's a shame to see that ! I'm glad to haven't buy this game...

[resistance100]

I'm sure every game series ever made includes "recycled" in-game objects in sequels.

I don't see an issue here

[svoulis]

HAHA, wait. you don't think Dice does the same thing? really...hm play any map and see the same building in it a number of times. ALL gamer developers do it, why not? easy assets.

GIVE IT A REST ALREADY ITS A DAMN VIDEO GAME

[death2smoochie]

MW3 looks almost exactly like MW2 so this is no surprise.

[xtreampro]

There was almost no difference in graphics from when he switched over to COD4.

[NeloAnjelo]

COD = COPY OF DUTY

When I said this initially I got flamed. The game also looks the same, only with a brown colour pallet in MW3.

The online will be broken again... The game with be riddled with glitches and problems from the start, unbalanced, not equal across all platforms, and the story will be short and mediocre... even the bad bits are recycled.

I guess the fans are saying ..." So? big deal. This happens in other games as well..." Ask yourselves this... How much does this franchise sell? Don't you deserver more? I certainly do. MW2 was my last COD game, and will be for a long time unless there is some form of actual development and strides forward in this franchise.

After 8 months this game will be forgotten because the next hype train will start for the next COD. This has been the cycle for the last three years. No improvement in quality or gameplay... just broken promises and an half effort game

[bobrea]

WHY IS THIS A SURPRISE TO ANYONE? THEY RELEASE A GAME EVERY GODDAMN YEAR, OF COURSE THEY RECYCLE SHIT.

[VictoriousB13]

Let's all go kill ourselves now because they recycled some assets.

[ForROME]

pathetic - ever since the original creators left (fired) the game has gone down hill

Bobby should be removed from Activision

[SITH]

Not shocked at all.

[Ziriux]

Go die for submitting this and the writer for writing it to get visitors to the site only.

[TheHardware]

70% of the people in this post still bought the game

[Dead_Cell]

COD4 looks so much better in that video.

[TopDudeMan]

So you found one distinct building you saw in call of duty 4... Woop-di-doo.

[dorium_tres]

The people that are mad...

Get over yourselves. You have no idea what goes into actually making a game and how often this happens. So please, shut your pie holes and enjoy the fact someone dedicated 2-3 years of their own lives to create something you love so much and spend hours enjoying.

shut up.

[outlawlife]

only magnified because it is call of duty, funny how nobody ever jumped on it before...treyarch used assets from cod3 in blackops...nobody cared then so why now?

[3GenGames]

I'm an NES developer and I know what goes into making games. I'll say it, it's garbage.

[0neShot]

Wait for IW to make an announcement, they've done this on purpose for a dejavu to the original MW1, easter egg type find.

[ironcreed]

And this is the kind of shit that is being showered with praise and critical acclaim every year? How sad. COD = same shit, different year. Can't believe it is still being received as if it is some masterpiece.

[ToonarmY]

You are basically paying for the same game over and over and over is what it is saying. Yet you are paying full price every time for something you have technically already payed for.

So much so as far back as ten years ago of recycling

[StrikerZ3ro112]

Well no S**t, did you really expect them to try. The game could feature lumps of feces with pistols stuck in them but as long as "Call of Duty" is in its title its going to outsell everything and somehow get nominated for goty.

[llMurcielagoll]

Dear CoD makers, Infinity Ward, Sledge Hammer, Activision or whatever...

Can you get any lazier?!

[Noticeably_FAT]

Wow, people will look for any reason to hate on COD. Hey Battlefield 3 fanboys, give it up! You thought BF3 would take away some of the COD pie and it didn't, you thought BF3 would be the better game quality wise, well MW3 is currently beating Battlefield 3 on Metacritic as well.

Stop writing fake reviews on Metacritic and play your supposed great game.

[MaverickStar7]

I don't know whats worse...that this is even thought to be an issue or that it has started such a fanboy war. Many developers do this. Its just a generic building? Why build one from scratch when you already have one ready to go. I'm still running through some of the same buildings and sheds in BF3 that were in Bad Company 1. The haters are really getting desperate for reasons to rain on everyones picnic.

[e-p-ayeaH]

BF3 did the same thing with some Bad Company buildings and it made it way more obvious.

[tonywood]

MW3 is cool....MW Elite isn't. (That's the real milking!)

[veChuy]

HAHAHA SO SAD HOW CODFANBOYS BUY AN EXPANCION FOR 60 BUCKS!!! HAHAHA HILARIOUS.

[MelonSaurus]

Who.Gives.A.fuck?

[Hassassin]

all the above... and u ;)

[veChuy]

THE COPY AND PASTE WAS REAL....!

[pennywhyz]

Fuck this game but all you sheep still support this game.

[Scenarist]

( WHAT THEY REALLY NEED TO DO IS RELEASE MODDING TOOLS FOR COD ITS A OLD FRANCHISE NOW.... GIVE IT TO US ... WE PAID ENOUGH FOR IT ALL READY let us make our own maps and modes like the good old days... )

they are milking me... Ive been playing cod since cod 1 ...

yes i hate the re used in game assets,engine etc...
but wtf ... its fun..

I remember playing Americas army 2 for years (free game)
high quality stuff tho ... After version 2.8 tho .. they changed to the unreal 3 engine ,,, rebuilt everything..
and the game didnt feel the same... so AA 3.0 and beyond is all shit by comparison to what made the previous versions very very fun. (it was prettier tho)

when I think about MW3 its like----
Dont change too much of the core gameplay.. do as much new stuff as you can without changing the feel. .. its the core variables that determine the feel of the game and is what defines cod ...

so if they just bring on the new modes and map packs,.,,then ill play cod as long as you play cod ... or i wont have nobody to play against lol

[Sub-Zero85]

The Call of Duty series has been nothin but recycled garbage MW2&MW3 is the same game that they charged $60 for a map pack and yet so many lame fanboys that eat , sleep and breath Activison ...... wake up people Activision Rinse & Repeat all of their COD games.

[EverydayGuy]

It's kind of funny that there never been a COD 5 just 4 with a bunch of different iterations.

[busytoad]

Modern WarFare 3 my butt its more like modern warfare 2.5

looks the same as Mw2 so glad i rented it instead of buying it.

[SpartanQ8]

with no doubt battlefield 3 is the best shooter this year.

Good Job Dice, Activision F**K U

[Dan-Whitesnake]

Everything is the same in COD now days!

Take the death animations, they haven't changed since modern warfare.

The chopper still flies round in the exact same motion it always has.

Grenade throwing is still the same.

Animation when moving is still the same.

Sound effects are pretty much unchanged.

Get the point?

Command+A, Command +C, Command +P. Game done.

[FizzyJuffoWup]

Honestly not surprised by this at all

[Yomaster]

You know it's bad when I'm hearing friends of mine that are HUGE fans of the COD series calling it a $60 DLC...and then going to the store and buying it.

Even worse? Reviewers are saying it's the same old COD-ness; no new innovations, no real tweaks to the gameplay mechanics, the graphics are sub-par, yet the game is still getting 9's and 10's.

We ALL knew MW3 was gonna be a COD4/MW2 recycle, so there's no real surprises here. What's sad is that this game is so well-received, despite the fact that it doesn't deserve the ratings, and is so old and played-out that it needs a revive.

Stale sequels are nothing new to us gamers, but amidst the wreckage, many devs attmept to iron it out. Halo: Reach improved on Halo 3 and revamped/balanced the gameplay mechanics, and implemented new storyline ideas. BF3 had a completely new engine, streamlined the gameplay mechanics, implemented new ideas for supression and squad play, and balanced/reconfigured the player classes and vehicles, not to mention improving the online player persistence.

COD? Reuse a dated engine, throw in a few new weapons and perks, rearrange some maps, slap on a $60 price tag and name it MW3. Disgusting. And I thought EA was bad. Not saying the game isn't fun, but I don't see any real justification in this game being released at such a cost.

[DeadManMcCarthy]

Hahahahaha that's what the idiots deserve for buying it.

[Nes_Daze]

this game looks like MAG+ graphics patch...

[Saleem101]

Haterz lol!!!

[Bolts]

Considering how much money is being made, the lack of effort is astounding. Stop buying this garbage and maybe they'll actually give you something for your money the next time around.

[mamotte]

They recycle pretty much everyting. Characters, gameplay... I dont see what's strange in this. It'a more like they clone the entire game and change some things.

[Drabent]

Anyone notice the lag getting worse on Ps3...just like the last game and they will never do anything to fix it. In one month it will take a full clip to kill someone yay^^

[Jdrm03]

I would make fun of this, but activision/infinity ward is not the first nor will be the last company to reuse assets from a previous title....

[SwampCroc]

this type of stuff is more important than any review score... I didn't get the game. But, I had COD4 and MW and MW2...

I can't think of any game in a series that I've played where they reuse stuff.. but I mean this footage is clear as day.

[Jdrm03]

as a huge battlefield fan, bf3 reuses some assets from bc and bc2...some of the buildings are pretty much exactly the same....

btw, cod4 is mw lol.

[Soldierone]

There is a HUGE difference. Do developers reuse certain things? Yes, but nothing to mimmic key assets of the previous title. Next they do this to save time so they can develop other area's of the game. COD uses the same exact engine its always used and absolutely nothing else has changed, so what did they do for two years that made them have to reuse noticeable assets like this and not add in new ones? Nothing, its simply laziness.

BF3 might re use certain random building, but its the minor ones for starters and two it has a WHOLE NEW ENGINE running behind it. DICE spent tons of time with animations, destructions, guns, and every little detail in the game. MW3? Well we have new kill streaks...which in reality is like new stats for a sports team.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

guess you dont play uncharted then.

They included a few re skinned uncharted 2 maps with U3. Didnt see anyone complaining about that. Thats the exact same maps with different textures.

I know that gears of war an halo have also used maps from past games as well, thats more than just a building being recycled. but again, no one cried about it

If reusing a building got these people in a tizzy, I wonder why reusing entire maps didnt upset them at all. I guess people here dont care if you re-use entire maps, just buildings.

[SwampCroc]

correct I don't have any of the uncharted games... I can only think of MGS and God of War... and like previous people have said only minor things get re-used or recycled...

but even with those games. the core mechanics and the stuff are the same but the environments or layouts or puzzles or AI or story or whatever is always something new. some minor stuff might get missed, because in reality nothing is flawless. but, like I stated above the footage of this building is clear as day...

and don't say it wasn't a major key in the map... because I remember pipeline and everyone usually went straight for that building.

[shysun]

When i saw it I was like oh sh!t I know this place! Rather they are being cheap or not I dont know nor care, I liked it. It's only a building!

[SignifiedSix]

Lol fail game xD

[slixshot]

Sorry, but I don't really know why people care so much? It's a building.

[Fel08]

Told ya!

[NotSoSilentBob]

Shouldn't surprise anyone. With all of the talent jumping ship to EAs new studio their(IW/Activision) gonna have to take the shortest route.

[Ranich]

The whole game is a copy and paste from the previous ones, give or take new maps and new perks. So in total, about three to five months or work.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

basically you people are hating on devs for using the same assets to make BRAND NEW maps, and are completely fine with other games that re-skin ENTIRE maps and include them in new games again instead of creating all new maps.

[SH0CKW4VE]

So because they recycled ONE building from MW into MW3 that somehow bears signifigance?

BF3 has ported in multiple buildings from BC2....infact the game is pretty much Bad Company 3 and not a sequel to BF2 in anyway shape or form except for karkland and the inclusion of jets but they have the typical sluggish handling reminiscent of bad company.

[Jdrm03]

that's a load of bs. BF3 plays nothing like the bad company series....anybody that calls BF3 Bad Company 3 has not played Battlefield 3.

[StarWolf]

so what , killzone2 used the same engine as killzone3. BOO !!! haha cmon kids. also KZ3 made you pay for 'retro maps' from kz2 with lighting tweaking. I hate COD with a passion but this is nothing

[swishersweets20031]

Besides the Paid review sites, from word of mouth from fans, i have not heard anything good about this game in the last 24 hours. "the fun factor" that keeps people buying this game i think has finally hit bottom.

[Erika_Furudo]

Who freaking cares if they re-use properties and shit from their older games.

It's all on the same engine, it's not gonna degrade the game's quality.

It's all about the Gameplay,Story,Community,Multi player.

[EtienneAnt]

Hehe what's wrong with you guys,that mw3 you complaining about...you should be happy that activisions is bringing out new games. I will be happy and enjoy this game and try to rape it and be good at the sniping..I hope there are nice(kick ass) bolt action rifles.

[GaMErFoLife88]

i dont mean to be uhmm lets jus say an ahole but i got the game an the single player is very fun nothing wrong with it in my book, the storys are always well done. but how ever the multi player is garbage an they put out a game that is exactly the same. the ping is so so so horrible an people can kill you with a sniper shot that it isnt evern on you let alone its a knee shot an way to the right of you that you die from (a one shot kill) (i.e. happens to me alot) like other CODs i can be completly be around the conner an some how get killed. the 3rd match i was in douche bags have already started lag switching i mean come on for reall you have to exploit a game to have fun that just sad. i was hoping that this time around that people wouldnt just run right to your spawn an spawn kill off the wahzoo but i was wrong. my brother who is a big time lover of COD has been raging alot and hes really good at the game im reall good. he pointed out that heilis jus wont go down for anything and its true i had my SAM turret shoot tons of rockets at it an he shot 2 of his secndary rockets at it an it was still up killing pple i mean WTF! an the kniefing i thought they changed from a dumba55 one hit kill but they did not i will never understand a kneif beating out bullets an point blant range, an the kneif lunge is so stuiped.there is a ton more i can go on about but i dont have the time. i know the fans willl accpet an ignor all the problems that are wrong with the game because they are to proud an loyal, kind of like brain washed iphone fans that jus have to have the newest thing apple puts out when they can get the same thing cheeper an better, i guess they like buying an apple logo i dont know? with that said lol BF3 is the better multi player the single player i loved but MW3 is better. (you really dont need any skill or brains to play MW3 MP) Skyrim here i come i been passing the time with inferior games SKYRIM=GOTY

[stubbed_out]

Really not surprised, but now I see this I wonder how rife this is in the industry. I personally would've never realised so as long as the rehash feels fresh I'm not bothered...hell I'm dying for Half Life Black Mesa to be released (will it ever?).

[Snowii]

activision broke me when they brought back second chance

after all the promises

[GaMErFoLife88]

im telling my bro to take the game back it is just plain horrible and it got old withn the first 4 hrs of playing the MP. i used to like activision but greed is deffently changing things, it kinda upsets me alot i jus hope no other game industrys dont think with their walletes frist.

[Dubfella]

well im sticking to battlefield 3,that new frost bite engine is amazing and i dont have to listen to little 12 year old bitches talking and singing over the mikes

[NeloAnjelo]

There are a few things that I dont understand with this franchise:

One:
The reviews keep praising it. Although the general consensus is that its much more of the same, with little change in the online, maps and campaign. Furthermore, it keeps scoring high on story, when they all say its hard to understand, short and familar. How can it score higher on story aganist reviews on MGS: HD Collection?

Two:
The developers have struggled to make this game equal across all platforms. The PS3 version does not preform to the standard of the 360 especially online. Support for both will stop in a year when the next COD is released.

Three:
When MW2 was released look at all the issues that plagued the game. Are people forgetting the numerous glitches, lagging, broken gameplay, etc? Similar issues were in Black Ops as well. This is unacceptable given all the money this franchise makes. There should be investment and detailed quality tests before release. More so for this franchise.

Four:
The game has failed to innovate or even change anything in the last four years. I guess if its not broken then don't fix it right? However, the game is broken and this will be proven when everyone goes online. Just like the previous trend.

So why are people still buying it? Its not quality game or story. Why can't people see the game for what it is? Activision's money train.

[Jdub895O]

Cod is the "cool" game to buy. EVERYBODY IS DOING IT!!!!!

[Jdub895O]

This proves there are so many fanboys on this website. Too ignorant to see that bf3 uses alot of recycled buildings from bad company 2. So what who cares! The game is amazing and thats all i care about.

[Animal Mutha 76]

Rented MW3 and not impressed. Cut and paste MW1.3

I prefer the Treyarch games. WAW and BOPS felt like they had more effort put into them from the menus/side games to the zombies and the custom paint emblems etc.

[StitchJones]

Everyone in the world will still buy the game so it doesn't matter.